Kawasaki ninja 250r vs Hyosung gt250r

[tnarg]

Ok looks like the new Kawasaki's are starting to trickle in to the country, nice looking bike. My mate was just about to go get a Hyosung then spotted the Kawasaki on trademe. It looks like it could be a good contender in the 250cc market, more horse power...slightly cheaper and not so heavy.

So what do ya think?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-137564751.htm

[tnarg]

Just found there is a thread in the sports bike forum on this topic, looks like lots of info there. Can some one post a review of that thread as going through all ten pages may take awhile. Im lazy hehe

[dave_a]

both are fine bikes, No doubt the kawa is a better built bike coming from kawasaki and it has a 2 year warranty as opossed to hyos 1 year or 10 000 km

both very nice looking bikes

but if your a tall dude the hyo is a bit bigger so above 6 foot might get uncomfy but reading ninja250.org theres some dude on there who are 6 4 so guess it depends on you

kawa is 6995 plus onroad
hyo is 7195 plus onroad

[cowboyz]

interesting that they call them a 2008 gpx ninja when they are registered as a ex250. Monie has one next door. Really nice bikes. PM her or (meanie (her better half) if you want an opinion from someone who rides one every day.

[dave_a]

or after monday ill let you know how mine goes :banana:

[The Pastor]

we need someone to take them both to a track and see which one laps faster :) maybe somthing for kiwi rider mag to do?

[ital916]

My 2c worth, get a bike for around 3 grand to learn on. When the time comes you'll have that extra 4 grand you didn't spend on the kwaka or hyobag to spend on better gear, more bling and a nice big bike. Oh btw anyone else see the 400cc yellow ducati monster they just got in at mt eden mc's. 30 thous on the clock, looked pretty mint and going for 6 thou. I had a sit on it, bloody comfy and felt like it could be a real nippy bike.

[EJK]

we need someone to take them both to a track and see which one laps faster :) maybe somthing for kiwi rider mag to do?

Just some words from the Dealer:


GT250R has more torque since its a V-twin
The Kawasaki is born with GPX name rather ZXR name
GPX (ninja) is not a sports bike.... well... simi-sports bike


EJ: "Is it a knee-down type bike?"
Dealer: ":no:"

Thats all from the dealer so don't argue with me

[Ragingrob]

Lol EJ +1! :bash:

[cowboyz]

we need someone to take them both to a track and see which one laps faster :) maybe somthing for kiwi rider mag to do?
why? I would think learner riders on learner bikes would be doing a fair bit more road riding than track riding.


My 2c worth, get a bike for around 3 grand to learn on. When the time comes you'll have that extra 4 grand you didn't spend on the kwaka or hyobag to spend on better gear, more bling and a nice big bike. Oh btw anyone else see the 400cc yellow ducati monster they just got in at mt eden mc's. 30 thous on the clock, looked pretty mint and going for 6 thou. I had a sit on it, bloody comfy and felt like it could be a real nippy bike.
I think you forgot that you will get that money back when you trade it. So for $7k you get a warrenty and a bike that you know how it has been treated for its entire life. Trade it back for $5k and the bike has cost you $2k. Buy a 15-20yr old bike for $4-5k and it blows up you got nothing.

[Ragingrob]

But often a $4k used bike will be sold after a few years for the same due to the 250cc market...As long as you pick the bike out it carefully. I dunno if I'd ever wanna buy a new 250 just because you only have it for what 1.5 years and a $2k loss in 1.5 years is shite!

[cowboyz]

$2k in 18 mths isnt that bad for a trouble free bike. And now Hyo and Kwaka have put 2 decent 250s on the market for a reasonable price I am expecting the pre '94 250s to drop in price to where they should be....... $1000-1500

[Ragingrob]

Hmmm but you've gotta go through the hassle of wearing the bike in the first so many k's and doing your first service with the shop. Also as a learner you would be far more worried about any scratches at all and dropping and all. Don't these 250's have less HP than the older bikes due to restrictions in Japan aswell?

[cowboyz]

running a bike in is a great way to learn how to ride it.

scratches? Well I dont know about you but my first road bike wasnt new but it was mint and I didnt want to scratch it. Just cause its second hand doesnt mean people treat it like shit.

Well there is the RS if you do want horsepower.

[The Pastor]

why? I would think learner riders on learner bikes would be doing a fair bit more road riding than track riding.


I think you forgot that you will get that money back when you trade it. So for $7k you get a warrenty and a bike that you know how it has been treated for its entire life. Trade it back for $5k and the bike has cost you $2k. Buy a 15-20yr old bike for $4-5k and it blows up you got nothing.
not all riders on 250s are learners. Poor people like speed too you know.

[yod]

yeah 2-stroke if you want real speed from a 250

I'd just go for the one with the USD's - it must be better

[cowboyz]

or a rf900 running on one........ If you loop it does it count as USD forks? Even if it is for a few seconds?

[Ragingrob]

not all riders on 250s are learners. Poor people like speed too you know.

Many 400 and 600cc 2nd hand bikes are cheaper than the 250s at the moment though, I'd prefer an older 400 than a newer 250... If I was poor, lol, and had my full.

[Weaver]

Whats the Ninja like at over 100k's? I had a fleeting thought about trading my GT250R in for one, but if its got no top end speed, then I'll just bide my time.

[cowboyz]

I doubt the ninja will be good for anything much more than 160 and it might take a while to get there......

[Weaver]

I didn't mean flat out top speed. I was wondering if it'll cruise nicely at 130kms for example

[The Pastor]

i'd prefer a good cbr or zxr250 - tops out at 200km/hr.

[TOTO]

Hyosung is the better of the two. I'll stick to the hyo for my 250. when I get full - ninja 600 all the way !

[delusionz]

i'd prefer a good cbr or zxr250 - tops out at 200km/hr.

You've been riding for quite some time I assume, does this mean to say you would settle for a nice ZXR250 as your "big bike"?

I rode a ZXR the other day and was surprised by the extra acceleration, revs, and top speed each gear had compared to my GPX. The heads down bums up position with my head right in the windscreen staring right at the ground and my arse touching the rear seat was very fun for a short blast until I got off and was sore as fuck all over but it was well worth the smile it put on my face. The bike even had enough go that when I accidentally let go of the last 1/4 of the clutch on a takeoff the front came up a little bit.

Ohh PS. GPX corners far easier than ZXR, the ZXR is heavy dropping into a corner and heavy to pull back up, and the lower handlebars don't help that at all. GPX drops in and then pulls back up like lifting a feather and doesn't require as sharp a turn and as much speed reduction.

I personally don't think I'd be satisfied with a ZXR250 as my final bike, even though it does have enough power to keep surprising me, and has the size to suit my 6'0 frame, I think when my time comes I'd rather live with a 600cc without trying to reach it's limits & just relax my right wrist a little

[breakaway]

The problem with 250s is that you have to absolutely thrash the fuck out of it to get the performance. Like if I want to overtake a car for e.g. Drop two gears, grab it by the balls and rev the tits off it. Feels like you're killing it :devil2:

[skidMark]

screwed up duplicate post ignore meeee.

[skidMark]

You've been riding for quite some time I assume, does this mean to say you would settle for a nice ZXR250 as your "big bike"?

I rode a ZXR the other day and was surprised by the extra acceleration, revs, and top speed each gear had compared to my GPX. The heads down bums up position with my head right in the windscreen staring right at the ground and my arse touching the rear seat was very fun for a short blast until I got off and was sore as fuck all over but it was well worth the smile it put on my face. The bike even had enough go that when I accidentally let go of the last 1/4 of the clutch on a takeoff the front came up a little bit.

Ohh PS. GPX corners far easier than ZXR, the ZXR is heavy dropping into a corner and heavy to pull back up, and the lower handlebars don't help that at all. GPX drops in and then pulls back up like lifting a feather and doesn't require as sharp a turn and as much speed reduction.

I personally don't think I'd be satisfied with a ZXR250 as my final bike, even though it does have enough power to keep surprising me, and has the size to suit my 6'0 frame, I think when my time comes I'd rather live with a 600cc without trying to reach it's limits & just relax my right wrist a little


did ya ride my old one?

the suspensions set up a bit funny on that one, ah well at least sams got her going again.... learnt most of my riding on that exact bike (if u rode sams one)

it all depends how u have the suspension set...

you can flick it around very easily....i admit you do have to countersteer them etc alot more than a gpx 250....which is why i reccomend people i know to go zxr.... because it's closer ridingwise to a bigger cc sportsbike such as a zx10r.....in saying that though the zx10r was no feather to throw around...certainly aint a 250....

but fuck me thous r fun ...

250's are kiddie toys.

i'd be on a thou if i had the dosh....and a license.

once you have ridden NZ's fastest n/a tuned zx10r...hopping back on the zxr250 is kinda like....

am i moving....??? when does it take off....

i'm bored.....

where as the zx10r is like bwa ehhhh MONO bwaehhh MONO bwaehhh shortshift....ooo XXXkph (holy shit look on face)....then it keeps going like bwaeehhhhh bwaaah bwahhhh rararrarara aaaa rararararara like a jack russell fucking terrior


they r evil spiteful, and will not hesitate to put you 6 feet under they are so dangerous and should be banned

all reasons why i want one sooooo bad :love:

[delusionz]

I hope you don't go trying to find the limits of a litre bike, Regardless of what some people may say, you're actually more useful alive than dead.

[skidMark]

I hope you don't go trying to find the limits of a litre bike, Regardless of what some people may say, you're actually more useful alive than dead.


lol why ya say that.

and err yer if i go spend 15-17k on a 06-07 zx10r i aint gunna be pushing it dude.

not for the first little while anyways.

my mates one put the shits up me enough.

that thing is just plain nuts man...i rode his 2 previous stock ones.

then you jump on this one...different animal man.

once u ride a thou mikey....ull hate 250's as much as i do.

i mean i love my 250 to bits it's my baby...

but it's a mere toy.

my mates zx10r will run 9 second quarters.

on one wheel.....at 240 over the line....in 4th gear....

i'm sorry but thats 2 quick even for me.

i got it to 240 then ran out of closed private road.:innocent:

and i hadnt even given it shit at all.

it's called hang on and pray...i mean yer i could just buy one n go slow.

but whats the fun in that :headbang:

[The Pastor]

You've been riding for quite some time I assume, does this mean to say you would settle for a nice ZXR250 as your "big bike"?

I rode a ZXR the other day and was surprised by the extra acceleration, revs, and top speed each gear had compared to my GPX. The heads down bums up position with my head right in the windscreen staring right at the ground and my arse touching the rear seat was very fun for a short blast until I got off and was sore as fuck all over but it was well worth the smile it put on my face. The bike even had enough go that when I accidentally let go of the last 1/4 of the clutch on a takeoff the front came up a little bit.

Ohh PS. GPX corners far easier than ZXR, the ZXR is heavy dropping into a corner and heavy to pull back up, and the lower handlebars don't help that at all. GPX drops in and then pulls back up like lifting a feather and doesn't require as sharp a turn and as much speed reduction.

I personally don't think I'd be satisfied with a ZXR250 as my final bike, even though it does have enough power to keep surprising me, and has the size to suit my 6'0 frame, I think when my time comes I'd rather live with a 600cc without trying to reach it's limits & just relax my right wrist a little
my last bike was a gpz 1000

[The Pastor]

lol why ya say that.

and err yer if i go spend 15-17k on a 06-07 zx10r i aint gunna be pushing it dude.

not for the first little while anyways.




sniff sniff whats that smell?

well son i think thats the smell of BULLSHIT!!!!:laugh:
:bleh::msn-wink:

[jrandom]

If I was starting as a learner right now, I'd buy a GN250 and put motocross bars on it.

:yes:

Actually, no, I tell a lie. I'd just go buy another Zeal.

:love:

[Tall Learner]

If I was starting as a learner right now, I'd buy a GN250 and put motocross bars on it.

:yes:

Actually, no, I tell a lie. I'd just go buy another Zeal.

:love:

Wats so good about a zeal? I gave one a test ride and didnt do much for me, wasnt very comfortable, didnt pull very fast....:oi-grr:

Dont get me wrong, I liked the bike..... as an average one. But it wasnt exeptional :laugh::laugh:

[Tall Learner]

No offence intended to ya haha just wonderin wat u thort

[Roki_nz]

Has any one got any links to some reviews of both bikes?

Being the nature of any forum it doesn’t take long before we get off topic

[dave_a]

me and my mate actuly have one brand new one of each we can ride over and u can check em out urself

[placidfemme]

They're both really good bikes.

IMO the Ninja 250 will be better for the shorter/smaller riders. the bike is pretty thin, the tyre profiles are thinner than the ZXR and Hyosung...

The pictures hide how small the new Ninja is, the fairings are most of the bike, they add on to the size of the bike...

The Ninja also has a fuel injected version, which is faster but about $1000 - $1500 more expensive, so most dealers in NZ won't bother bringing them in... in effect the new Ninja has the GPX engine... so if you wouldn't buy the GPX why buy the Ninja?

They're about the same price depending on where you shop, they have very similar top end speeds... and parts for both cost about the same, but I'm guessing the Ninja parts and service are gonna be higher than the Hyosung...

If your keen on checking them out and want a really good descrption of each, come on in to Mt Eden Motorcycles, they are bringing in 9 Ninjas a month and already the 08 Hyosungs in store... No better way to decide whats better than to check them out in person :)

[vtec]

Well I've raced CBR250RR's, and they rock.

The GPX and the Hyosung are quite a bit behind the CBR and ZXR in terms of performance and handling.

On the race track I've ridden 600's and spent a day on a Hayabusa at Taupo. The CBR250 is as fun as any of them as long as you've got people to dice with. In fact I had the most fun with the least stress on the CBR on the track. I've had my full licence for ages and it's still my pick of the road bikes too. Way better at lane splitting safely than the modern 600's, it just turns in so quickly so you can dodge people trying to kill you.

With regards to the VTwin being any more powerful than an inline twin, I don't really think it would make a difference. Comes down to weight of the bikes, and quality of build, and obviously appearance. I think the Hyo looks alright to the uninitiated, so if you want to trick people thats the bike to get. But the Kawasaki would be a better build, lighter and easier to turn I reckon, and probably quicker.

[babyblade250rr]

i agree with vtec, cbr250rr was my pick of 250's with the zxr not far behind, however regardless of what 250 anyone chooses, thats exactly what they are "250cc" which is why in nz they're the maximum cc rating whilst learning, i'm sure some may possibly corner better than larger bikes so on and so forth, however get your learner bike, learn how to ride it and worry about horsepower when you finally upgrade.

[Roki_nz]

me and my mate actuly have one brand new one of each we can ride over and u can check em out urself


Have you ridden both and how do you think they stack up against each other?

I would be keen to take you up on that offer but I need to find a mate whose got a shitty little bike for me to get my skills back on, before I go playing with anything decent.

[jcupit69]

i'd prefer a good cbr or zxr250 - tops out at 200km/hr.

????? down hill with a tale wind if your lucky. Had a 95 zxr250, after market can, freshly serviced, top condition etc and itd do about 190kmh on a LONG straight b4 there was just no more left. Changing the sprockets, maybe, but both the zxr and cbr are notorious for having dodgy speedos at the higher ends anyway (mind you so are the hyos from other forums iv read).

True though, i prefer the zxrs n cbrs, better performance, lower price and nicer to ride (i thought anyway), but the new bikes provide a slower platform for people to develop on, as a 1st bike the hyos n new kwakas are good, i dont think i could ride one for two years without getting board, especially if have a go on a older zxr or cbr.

[Tall Learner]

Hyo big

Ninja small

:beer:

[Maki]

They're both really good bikes.


The Ninja also has a fuel injected version, which is faster but about $1000 - $1500 more expensive, so most dealers in NZ won't bother bringing them in... in effect the new Ninja has the GPX engine... so if you wouldn't buy the GPX why buy the Ninja?

They're about the same price depending on where you shop, they have very similar top end speeds... and parts for both cost about the same, but I'm guessing the Ninja parts and service are gonna be higher than the Hyosung...



Correct me if I am wrong but I was under the impression that the carb version weighs slightly less, and has a little bit more power than the fuel injected one. That being the case, then how is the fuel injected one faster?

"Everyone" knows that the new Ninja and the GPX are basicly exactly the same bike apart from minor details such as bigger wheels, a different suspension, better brakes, different engine, different instruments and a more modern look. That being the case, if you didn't want the GPX you sure as hell wouldn't want to fork out $1000 more for the new Ninja! Especially since a bike of impeccable quality like the Hyosung is available for just a few $ more, hell, the Hyosung even probably has cheaper parts and servicing than the Kawasaki! (Who cares about reliability, quality and 2 year vs 1 year warranty...)

Could we just hear from some people who have actually ridden both bikes? They seem few and far between, unlike people who have big mouths and know little and are thick on the ground...

[dave_a]

:yeah:

All I can say is I am more than happy with my new bike, handling, speed, looks everything. Dont regret buying the ninja over the hyo one bit. well worth the extra 3 months wait for it

It definatly feels alot lighter than a hyo and feels alot easier to throw into corners.plus I hate how on the hyo's you cant full lock without trapping your hands

and as for speed Who cares there both just 250's both around the same speed and more than enough to keep me happy in the twisties :2thumbsupand does 110kmh plus on the motorway comfortably.

[Maki]

Thanks. It actually IS a lot lighter than the Hyo.

[dave_a]

Once you get your one maki come for a ride :2thumbsup

Ive booked mine in for its first service on friday so I have 3 nights to do 500 more km to bring it up to 1000

[Maki]

Once you get your one maki come for a ride :2thumbsup

Ive booked mine in for its first service on friday so I have 3 nights to do 500 more km to bring it up to 1000

Will do. I hope to get it around the beginning of March.

[Weaver]

I hate how on the hyo's you cant full lock without trapping your hands

The only time I ever get full lock is when I'm turning the bike around on my back lawn, and my hands don't touch the tank.

[Pancakes]

But often a $4k used bike will be sold after a few years for the same due to the 250cc market...As long as you pick the bike out it carefully. I dunno if I'd ever wanna buy a new 250 just because you only have it for what 1.5 years and a $2k loss in 1.5 years is shite!

I bought mine for $6k Brand new and sold it for $5k aftre 2 years and 20,000K's. Add another grand for oil, filters, tyres, insurance = $2 and the bus would have cost me $6000 in the same two years so the bike saved me $4000!! Value plus I recon.

[Maki]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDXNTBafLMI

[Fub@r]

My response to all of this how many GPX riders have people complimenting you on your bike? :msn-wink:

Had one today on the Nelson Street offramp. Pulled to the front of the queue, this guy then moves up beside me. I thought he was just pissed that I had moved in front of him and was about to have a go at him, when he wound down his window and complimented me on how the bike looks and how do I find it to ride :)

As for speed a 250 is a 250, its a starter bike and speed should not be the essential thing to be shopping for. Ok a hyo does 160'ish a CBR does 190'ish, who cares either way you will be walking for the next 6 months once you get caught :)

I've had my full for a while now, not in any rush to upgrade the Hyo suits my needs perfectly. As for the upgrade I will probably go for the SV650 rather than the Hyo 650, just because I like the SV

[HTFU]

My response to all of this how many GPX riders have people complimenting you on your bike? :msn-wink:

None - except my kids I guess.

I've had my full for a while now, not in any rush to upgrade the Hyo suits my needs perfectly. As for the upgrade I will probably go for the SV650 rather than the Hyo 650, just because I like the SV

I was thinking about the same with the SV. I need a bit more load in the rear shock. GPX bottoms out once I put my touring bags on. Rear shock on the GPX is soft

[motorbyclist]

TL;DR


get the fxr150:bleh:

teach you how to ride properly for only $2k, reasonably new bike, reliable as anything, doesn't matter if you drop it, wont depreciate unless you scratch it and even then it's only a few hundy loss

[dave_a]

My response to all of this how many GPX riders have people complimenting you on your bike? :msn-wink:

Had one today on the Nelson Street offramp. Pulled to the front of the queue, this guy then moves up beside me. I thought he was just pissed that I had moved in front of him and was about to have a go at him, when he wound down his window and complimented me on how the bike looks and how do I find it to ride :)

As for speed a 250 is a 250, its a starter bike and speed should not be the essential thing to be shopping for. Ok a hyo does 160'ish a CBR does 190'ish, who cares either way you will be walking for the next 6 months once you get caught :)

I've had my full for a while now, not in any rush to upgrade the Hyo suits my needs perfectly. As for the upgrade I will probably go for the SV650 rather than the Hyo 650, just because I like the SV

ask chazza_404 who owns a hyo how much attention and compliments I get on my "GPX" its endless no matter where I go I get people asking me what size it is,saying how nice it is, Even at another motorbike shop where I didnt buy it from they all came out and commented on how nice the bike was.

sure the old GPX's are ugly as sin but the new ones are definatly not :wari:

[HTFU]

ask chazza_404 who owns a hyo how much attention and compliments I get on my "GPX" its endless no matter where I go I get people asking me what size it is,saying how nice it is, Even at another motorbike shop where I didnt buy it from they all came out and commented on how nice the bike was.

sure the old GPX's are ugly as sin but the new ones are definatly not :wari:

Yeah sucks if you bought one in September 07 and then found out a month later a new model was on its way for just $1000 more (that was me). I guess I did do 10000km on the GPX before the new model hit our shores. Another 10000km on the GN would have killed my buzz for biking, so is not all bad and it was $6000. Still would have paid $7000 for the new one though, nice bikes.

[Roki_nz]

Thanks. It actually IS a lot lighter than the Hyo.


From both of the manufactures sites

Hyosung
Dry weight: 171Kg

Kawasaki
Dry weight: 151Kg

The Kawa is a hell of lot lighter, which for me I prefer as I used to have to wheel my GSX backwards into the garage, which was on a bit of an incline. That used to be a bitch.

Both bikes look really nice. Personally I think the Hyosung looks better but the Kawasaki got the name, even people who have not ridden a bike know what a Kawasaki from memory the old jingle was “Kawasaki Ninja cool Kawasaki Ninja Rule”

[crashalots]

$2k in 18 mths isnt that bad for a trouble free bike. And now Hyo and Kwaka have put 2 decent 250s on the market for a reasonable price I am expecting the pre '94 250s to drop in price to where they should be....... $1000-1500

I'm not so sure about that. Ok so the new kawa and hyo look the part, but they are really quite shite bikes! I ride a '93 ZXR 250 C and am used to it's insane RPM engine. When i rode a hyosung GT250R i accidently valve bounced it because i was accelerating anticipating the engine to 'kick in' but it never did:zzzz:. As for the new kawa? Sure it looks like a sleek baby 6R but it's only a 2 cyl and is rated at 30 hp:yawn: (although i haven't ridden it...).

I think the older 250's are always going to be expensive because they just dont make them like that anymore! Sadly... :no:

Dont even get me started on the NSR or RGV's... :Punk:

[Roki_nz]

That’s true the older 250’s are better but how many people really want to get a bike that’s over 12 years old for almost the same price you could get a new bike.

Hmm kawa has 3.8 more horse than the hyo, hmm think I might get a kawa

[chazza404]

This is my 2c, if your after hp and performance you'd be better going for some of the older 250s before they were limited by emission standards etc, 3.8hp? your not going to notice the difference.

Things i like about the new ninja
- Can have full handle bar turns without being restricted by hands interfering with the tank (on hyos they touch) = easier for Uturns
- More upright commuter position is less strain on the body
- Looks like a mini zx6r etc and with no 250 labels etc to the general public people might think its a big one (i duno maybe for trying to show off to the ladies :D )

Things i dislike about it
- single front brake (debatable whether there is a need for dual on a 250 but there's no harm in having extra brakes)
- smaller rider size (heh i cant fit on it :P )

Things i like about the hyosung
- large size bike, better suited for taller riders
- digital display
- dual front disc brakes
- tank snugs up towards chest feels more stable

Things i dislike about the hyosung
- more leaned over riding position can strain body
- can't fully turn handle bars (for u turns etc as stated above)

Things i dislike about both
these are visual things which can be fixed with effort :P
- pipes are a bit ugly
- rear fenders are gross (the kawa goes down quite far)

these points are just from my opinion, id say if you want performance get an older bike and if you want better looks go for the newer ones while your at it you should just ask yourself what your wanting the bike for and that will determine what one you get

[Roki_nz]

True, I would still rather have a new bike rather than an old one, then again by the time I get the money together we will probably be debateing on if the 09 hyo is better than the kawa lol

[zeocen]

- smaller rider size (heh i cant fit on it :P )


Buuuuuuuuuullshit. I literally melted into the seating position on the '08 Ninja and I am 6'2 92kg. I have a friend who is 6'3 and 108~kg with no problems on the *07* GPX250. On longer rides yeah, you're gonna have to hop off and have a stretch around (When I would go from Auckland -> Whangamata I would stop at Kopu for 5mins and be off again, on a 1990 GPX250, for day trips most of the stops were for lunch/toilet breaks), but in my opinion it is nothing compared to Hyosungs radical forward lean.

Most of my 6'2 is all leg, so unless you are 8ft with spider legs, I call bullshit.

Looking too big for the bike and not being able to fit on it are two seperate things.

[chazza404]

Buuuuuuuuuullshit......

Most of my 6'2 is all leg, so unless you are 8ft with spider legs, I call bullshit....

Looking too big for the bike and not being able to fit on it are two seperate things.

:calm: there's no need to start swearing, you might recall on the previous page I stated that;

This is my 2c......

these points are just from my opinion

This is my experience, when I went and sat on it at the shop and having since sat on my friend's ninja I find that my knees go past the indent for them and the point between the two curves slightly digs into the side of my knees, maybe this is my body shape I don't know, this is just my experience with it.

I wasn't saying it intending for a looks more than ridability point, if you want looks buy a one piece and ride a ducati.

I'm not going to have an argument about this, if I did then it'd be just like skidmark's post about his thoughts on the new ninja not that I agree with the way he went about it.

At the end of the day I would have bought the ninja if I felt comfortable on it but I didn't and I've got a hyo which hasn't missed a beat so I'm more than happy.

Heck don't listen to me, don't listen to anyone just go sit on it and test it and go from there.

[Roki_nz]

Can any one tell me how much fuel each one uses and what type

[Gubb]

On my Hyosung I get about 350-400Km from a 17L Tank of 98, about $28 worth.

[chazza404]

higher octane the better

On my hyosung i use 95 or 98 etc the best i can find when i need to top up, i usually do around 350k on a tank then refill (cant get the trip counter working so just run till on E) averaging 25-27 KpL

[Roki_nz]

higher octane the better

On my hyosung i use 95 or 98 etc the best i can find when i need to top up, i usually do around 350k on a tank then refill (cant get the trip counter working so just run till on E) averaging 25-27 KpL


Higher octane is not always better depends on how the engine is tuned.
For example my cage (98 wrx) gets about 450km from 98 and 480-490km from 96.
All depends on how its tuned.

[Damantis]

I was all set to buy a new ninja 250 as a first bike. I rode the hyosung and was impressed as it was smooth and easy to ride but could see myself being bored by it before it's time to upgrade to a bigger bike. Looking at the specs for the new ninja 250 tho, it is visually very appealling but is basically the same as the older version. Except it's a a two stroke. I rode a '92 honda cb250rr and it would leave the hyosung for dead, and was faster and easier to handle than the Kawa gpx250 I rode today which makes me think its probably better than the new ninja too. Am gonna go with the honda and get the REAL ninja when I'm ready for it

[Kittyhawk]

Why waste serious coin on a 250 when its going to get damaged either way with learner riders..save the coin for upgrading..

Learn on a crappy old 250 bin it, drop it learn the maintenance on it get the know how etc, so when it comes to upgrading you will have a mint looking bike, know how to not drop it, properly care and maintain it.

[Gaz]

Why waste serious coin on a 250 when its going to get damaged either way with learner riders..save the coin for upgrading..

Learn on a crappy old 250 bin it, drop it learn the maintenance on it get the know how etc, so when it comes to upgrading you will have a mint looking bike, know how to not drop it, properly care and maintain it.

I bought a brand new Hyo GT250 to 're-learn' and redo my licence... the LTSA lost my licence 18 years ago (imagine a Govt dept screwing up) .:Oops: oh- back to the subject.
Cost me 6900, plus service checks, sold it for $6000 just over 9 months later (only took 2 days to sell) - 100 bucks a month - worth every cent.

I don't think I'd ever buy a second hand bike -- if something small goes wrong, there's big consequences.

[Kittyhawk]

I bought a brand new Hyo GT250 to 're-learn' and redo my licence... the LTSA lost my licence 18 years ago (imagine a Govt dept screwing up) .:Oops: oh- back to the subject.
Cost me 6900, plus service checks, sold it for $6000 just over 9 months later (only took 2 days to sell) - 100 bucks a month - worth every cent.

I don't think I'd ever buy a second hand bike -- if something small goes wrong, there's big consequences.

Awesome, but I think most whom buy into the market chances are they probably have never rode a bike before, nor done any off road riding either.

Govt screwing up...never....must be a new legislation which is in process of passing :2guns:

[Gaz]

Only Off-road riding I ever did was unplanned. :pinch:
I'm on a Litre now, but I still consider myself 'inexperienced'

I think that having a 'nice' bike to look after, y'know clean & polish & not scratch will help noobs stay in one piece. Having an old junker that you don't care about - won't teach anyone to take care of their bike and themselves

[Gaz]

Govt screwing up...never....must be a new legislation which is in process of passing :2guns:

Don't get me started.... I've had one Ten-year Driving licence, 2 lifetime Driving licences, 1 Lifetime firearms licence WTF. I need to live to 1000.

5h!t - you got me started.

[Kittyhawk]

Don't get me started.... I've had one Ten-year Driving licence, 2 lifetime Driving licences, 1 Lifetime firearms licence WTF. I need to live to 1000.

5h!t - you got me started.

HAHA thats alright a good mate of mine still has the old paper licence and refuses to get the new one!!

I have mine somewhere stll but it was a learners, just for "back in the days" purposes lol...

As for govt, well the economy isnt the best considering I think it's 2/3rds of our exports go to Oz.

[Gaz]

HAHA thats alright a good mate of mine still has the old paper licence and refuses to get the new one!!

I have mine somewhere stll but it was a learners, just for "back in the days" purposes lol...

As for govt, well the economy isnt the best considering I think it's 2/3rds of our exports go to Oz.:Offtopic: Back to the thread. Buy a nice bike and look after it like your life depends on it (what a coincidence)

[cowboyz]

Looking at the specs for the new ninja 250 tho, it is visually very appealling

yes it is

but is basically the same as the older version.
no its not
Except it's a a two stroke.
no its not
I rode a '92 honda cb250rr and it would leave the hyosung for dead,
I think the leave for dead would depend on the rider, the condition of the 16yr old bike.
and was faster and easier to handle than the Kawa gpx250 I rode today which makes me think its probably better than the new ninja too.
Am gonna go with the honda and get the REAL ninja when I'm ready for it

bit of a video review here http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=68803

[jcupit69]

I was all set to buy a new ninja 250 as a first bike. I rode the hyosung and was impressed as it was smooth and easy to ride but could see myself being bored by it before it's time to upgrade to a bigger bike. Looking at the specs for the new ninja 250 tho, it is visually very appealling but is basically the same as the older version. Except it's a a two stroke. I rode a '92 honda cb250rr and it would leave the hyosung for dead, and was faster and easier to handle than the Kawa gpx250 I rode today which makes me think its probably better than the new ninja too. Am gonna go with the honda and get the REAL ninja when I'm ready for it

TWO STROKE????? none of the ninjas are 2strokes?!?!?!? none of the bikes your even talking about are 2strokes?!?!?!?!?!

[Kittyhawk]

:Offtopic: Back to the thread. Buy a nice bike and look after it like your life depends on it (what a coincidence)

ROFL we will agree to disagree :spanking:

[Damantis]

:Pokey:
TWO STROKE????? none of the ninjas are 2strokes?!?!?!? none of the bikes your even talking about are 2strokes?!?!?!?!?!

:argue: The new '08 ninja 250 IS a 2 stroke. Got my cbr 250rr yesterday, am well aware it's a 4 stroke, as is the kawa gpx. My point was that while the new ninja 250 is a lovely machine, It's still a 2 stroke. I'd be interesed to know the difference in lap times between the new baby-ninja and some older 4 stroke sportsbikes like the old ninja/gpx and my bike. I haven't ridden the new ninja tho am sure it's a nice bike :Playnice:

[cowboyz]

no it is not.

[Damantis]

2 cylinders?

[cowboyz]

oh for fucks sake.

someone else can use their time explaining it to you.

[Damantis]

Sorry, my bad. Have just looked at the website and was wrong :2thumbsup Just an ignorant newbie here.

[yod]

read

http://www.carbibles.com/fuel_engine_bible.html

[MidnightMike]

Just some words from the Dealer:

[LIST]
GT250R has more torque since its a V-twin

They are basically the same thing EJ, infact Kawasaki ER6Ns actually produce more torque than the suzuki SV650s. (both are the same cc)


Well I've raced CBR250RR's, and they rock.

The GPX and the Hyosung are quite a bit behind the CBR and ZXR in terms of performance and handling.

On the race track I've ridden 600's and spent a day on a Hayabusa at Taupo. The CBR250 is as fun as any of them as long as you've got people to dice with. In fact I had the most fun with the least stress on the CBR on the track. I've had my full licence for ages and it's still my pick of the road bikes too. Way better at lane splitting safely than the modern 600's, it just turns in so quickly so you can dodge people trying to kill you.

With regards to the VTwin being any more powerful than an inline twin, I don't really think it would make a difference. Comes down to weight of the bikes, and quality of build, and obviously appearance. I think the Hyo looks alright to the uninitiated, so if you want to trick people thats the bike to get. But the Kawasaki would be a better build, lighter and easier to turn I reckon, and probably quicker.

Finally someone with some sense. :rockon:


My response to all of this how many GPX riders have people complimenting you on your bike? :msn-wink:

Had one today on the Nelson Street offramp. Pulled to the front of the queue, this guy then moves up beside me. I thought he was just pissed that I had moved in front of him and was about to have a go at him, when he wound down his window and complimented me on how the bike looks and how do I find it to ride :)

So do you base bikes you buy on 'poser value'?


Things i like about the hyosung
- large size bike, better suited for taller riders
- digital display
- dual front disc brakes
- tank snugs up towards chest feels more stable

Those digital displays are shite. Its like they made a giant korean watch, ripped off the straps and mounted onboard the homobags.

[placidfemme]

Correct me if I am wrong but I was under the impression that the carb version weighs slightly less, and has a little bit more power than the fuel injected one. That being the case, then how is the fuel injected one faster?

"Everyone" knows that the new Ninja and the GPX are basicly exactly the same bike apart from minor details such as bigger wheels, a different suspension, better brakes, different engine, different instruments and a more modern look. That being the case, if you didn't want the GPX you sure as hell wouldn't want to fork out $1000 more for the new Ninja! Especially since a bike of impeccable quality like the Hyosung is available for just a few $ more, hell, the Hyosung even probably has cheaper parts and servicing than the Kawasaki! (Who cares about reliability, quality and 2 year vs 1 year warranty...)

Could we just hear from some people who have actually ridden both bikes? They seem few and far between, unlike people who have big mouths and know little and are thick on the ground...

Are you talking about me in your above rant? I work for the #1 Kawasaki and Hyosung dealer in NZ. And your telling me how it goes?

[Iain]

I work for the #1 Kawasaki and Hyosung dealer in NZ.

How have the sales of GT250rs been since the introduction of the Ninja 250?

Iain

[placidfemme]

How have the sales of GT250rs been since the introduction of the Ninja 250?

Iain

Sales are still strong. Selling more Ninja 250s then the Hyosungs at the moment (selling them faster than we can bring them in... already have over 20 on backorder). But the Hyosungs still hold thier own, mainly for the bigger (as in taller) riders.

[Damantis]

I cant wait to meet a hyosung gt250 or even an 08 ninja250 at the lights! Having test ridden the ho-bag and lusted after the ninja, will be interesting to see if I've made a good choice for my first bike . . . better not talk myself up though cos I'm probably about due for an off!:doctor:

[cowboyz]

because you will kain it off the lights and might even get maybe a 5 or 6 metre jump and arrive at the cafe 10km down the road 0.0003 seconds faster. The service in Alkd isnt that great.

[Gubb]

I forgot about this. I just about fell out of my chair *again* laughing at the 2 Stroke bit.

[sinister^]

To who ever is saying that the hyo is better than the ninja250.

ILL SEE YOU ON THE NEXT RIDE IN JUNE BITCHES

drag on 101

[Gubb]

To who ever is saying that the hyo is better than the ninja250.

ILL SEE YOU ON THE NEXT RIDE IN JUNE BITCHES

drag on 101

Mate, a drag race hardly constitutes which bike is better.
It's all down to the individual, the Kawaka would be absolutely next to useless for me. Just like you preferred the Kawaka. Well Done. You really wanna have a pissing match?

[325rocket]

To who ever is saying that the hyo is better than the ninja250.

ILL SEE YOU ON THE NEXT RIDE IN JUNE BITCHES

drag on 101

out of interest, how old are you?

[MidnightMike]

out of interest, how old are you?

Out of interest, do you know how to look at peoples profile page? :Pokey:

[325rocket]

Out of interest, do you know how to look at peoples profile page? :Pokey:

ahh good point,,,

have done and it all makes sense now.

[McJim]

I'd love to see a fully faired version of Honda's VTR250 with clip on's and rear set foot pegs.

That was a nice wee bulletproof engine and it handles very sweet.

Unfortunately it wouldn't compete with the Ninja250R or the GT250R on price since the naked VTR250 is currently a lot pricier.

Then there's the whole issue of whether learner motorcyclists should really have fully faired bikes in the first place as many of us drop bikes in the garage or in carparks during the first couple of years of ownership. I know I did.

[325rocket]

I'd love to see a fully faired version of Honda's VTR250 with clip on's and rear set foot pegs.


yep that would be a good bike, and had it been around 3 years ago hyosung wouldn't have had half the success they have.

a newer version of this would be nice

[sinister^]

............

[325rocket]

............

[The Pastor]

my 1992 cbr is faster than both of those bikes combined, and i dont even have usd forks!

[sinister^]

my 1992 cbr
16 year old bike


both of those bikes combined

170km/h x 2 = 340km/h - 1992 cbr250?

[The Pastor]

16 year old bike



170km/h x 2 = 340km/h - 1992 cbr250?
im happy to go on a ride and learn you.

[EJK]

ROFL!!!!
:corn::corn::corn:

You don't wanna mess with RM :)

[JimO]

im happy to go on a ride and learn you.

what learn him to speak proper england

[sinister^]

what learn him to speak proper england

I got no idea what he was trying to say lol..

[glice]

I'm with all the cbr boys, I love my bike, sure its old but itl teach me alot more that the ninja or gt, plus it was crap loads cheaper to buy.


????? down hill with a tale wind if your lucky. Had a 95 zxr250, after market can, freshly serviced, top condition etc and itd do about 190kmh on a LONG straight b4 there was just no more left

I've had a gsxr1000 clock me at 200 when he was sitting behind me.

and its not just the top end they pull harder at any speed.
dont take my opinion tho, If I had more money I may have considerd something else.

[The Pastor]

top end speed is for fags, its not about speed, its about skill.

[Weaver]

itl teach me alot more that the ninja or gt

What more could it teach you?

[glice]

top end speed is for fags, its not about speed, its about skill.

I understand that and agree, I'm just saying what I said because earlyer someone said a cbr250 couldnt do that speed.


What more could it teach you?

Its more of a sports bike and has greater limits than the other 2 being discused here so if the bike is able to go further and I'm able to learn how to make it do that, surly I'll learn more? Thats just my opinion tho, could be a load of crap.
I'm more than happy to be proved wrong and learn something.

[EZAS]

Nothing wrong with loving old bikes, but you can't get a warranty on a 1991 CBR.

I'm considering getting a new Ninja but am concerned at it only being a 2 cylinder :( surely the older ZX250R's accelerate alot faster?

[glice]

but you can't get a warranty on a 1991 CBR

that is a problem, but theres no way I can afford a brand new bike for quite a while.


I'm considering getting a new Ninja but am concerned at it only being a 2 cylinder surely the older ZX250R's accelerate alot faster?

why dont bike companys make quiker 250s anymore?

[EZAS]

Because NZ and Aussie are one of the only places where you need to buy a 250 in the process of getting your licence.

[Ragingrob]

And Japan restricted all 250s down to 40hp too...

[CookMySock]

I think potentially you could learn more on a poor-handling bike. The hyos have rather budget suspension (I got two of them) so if you can keep up on those, then you will be a legend when you get to something that has a quality suspension package. It's no favour that the bike does all the work for you.

btw, I just clicked that this ninja is not an inline four. What a shame. That's half of its appeal down the toilet.

DB

[JimO]

that is a problem, but theres no way I can afford a brand new bike for quite a while.



why dont bike companys make quiker 250s anymore?

it probably costs the same to make a 600 as a 250

[vtec]

Yeah that's what I heard. It wasn't much cheaper to make a quality 250 like the CBR250RR than it was to make the CBR400's and 600's of old, so there's no reason for them to make a quality 250 4 anymore, cause they couldn't charge as much.

[glice]

I think potentially you could learn more on a poor-handling bike. The hyos have rather budget suspension (I got two of them) so if you can keep up on those, then you will be a legend when you get to something that has a quality suspension package. It's no favour that the bike does all the work for you.

btw, I just clicked that this ninja is not an inline four. What a shame. That's half of its appeal down the toilet.

DB

thats a good point
I've spent time on crappy handling bikes and it did help a bit, but you get to the point where you can go no further on a crappy handling bike much sooner than you do on a better bike (just so you know I'm not a nutter who does stupid things on the road) and wont be able to progress any further.
I didnt think the hyos were that bad?



it probably costs the same to make a 600 as a 250

and the same as a 1000, but they still make 600s.


And Japan restricted all 250s down to 40hp too...

Because NZ and Aussie are one of the only places where you need to buy a 250 in the process of getting your licence.

I gues thats part of my question, why do they need to be restricted, sure people learn on them but you dont have to buy a fast one to start on.

and there must be people who have their licence who would ride 250s, but want to go a bit quicker.

[glice]

Yeah that's what I heard. It wasn't much cheaper to make a quality 250 like the CBR250RR than it was to make the CBR400's and 600's of old, so there's no reason for them to make a quality 250 4 anymore, cause they couldn't charge as much.

I thought they still charged quite a bit when they were new?
they charge 10g and up for off road 250s, so people would probly buy them for on the road.
having said that, they are running a business and want to make as much as pos, so I do understand that, its a shame tho

[CookMySock]

I didnt think the hyos were that bad?Its just the 250R rear shock is little hard for those of tiny ass.. :whistle: But they are great for practicing the essentials on, and they feel like the bizo when you hang off them in a corner. The 650R is little hard front and rear over rough ground, and the suspension adjustments aren't much help. On smooth ground at speed they feel ok to me, but I don't have much to make comparisons with.

Overall, they are great bang for the buck though, and they feel awesome to ride. My wife has a GT250R and she sat on a YZF R1, and the R1 felt smaller lol. For newb lady riders, they are quite the thrill.

DB

[The Pastor]

I think potentially you could learn more on a poor-handling bike. The hyos have rather budget suspension (I got two of them) so if you can keep up on those, then you will be a legend when you get to something that has a quality suspension package. It's no favour that the bike does all the work for you.

btw, I just clicked that this ninja is not an inline four. What a shame. That's half of its appeal down the toilet.

DB


you are wrong.

all you are doing is learning how to ride wrongly.

[rphenix]

I think potentially you could learn more on a poor-handling bike. The hyos have rather budget suspension (I got two of them) so if you can keep up on those, then you will be a legend when you get to something that has a quality suspension package. It's no favour that the bike does all the work for you.
DB

Think of all the skills gained by riding with shinkos then!

[Iain]

Think of all the skills gained by riding with shinkos then!

No kidding... Im pushing mine more each day the weather is good... Im going to do it till I fall... Actually Im thinking the constant rain will start and Ill have to ease back a bit.

Still havent rubbed off the edge of the Shinkos yet... got 1/2 inch left...

Iain

[Meanie]

Im going to do it till I fall...

Iain

Its no wonder my Acc levies are so dam high

[Iain]

Its no wonder my Acc levies are so dam high

I was joking. I dont actually want to fall. That would be silly!

Iain

[Dakara]

Think of all the skills gained by riding with shinkos then!

I think I learned a lot more once I took the Shinko's off. After a few slides, (fortunately just the tyres) my confidence was a bit shot, so replaced them with a set of Pirelli Diablo Strada's. :clap:

[CookMySock]

where the hell is Weaver when you need him.. Weaver!! show us a photo of your shinkos sans chicken strips.

DB

[Gubb]

Weavers bike is no more.

He is an amazing rider though. Just not a good crasher.

[CookMySock]

woah what happened to it ? Never seen a hyo tyre that looked like that before. God help us if he gets an R6 - you will never catch him.

DB

[cowboyz]

where the hell is Weaver when you need him.. Weaver!! show us a photo of your shinkos sans chicken strips.

DB


Weavers bike is no more.

He is an amazing rider though. Just not a good crasher.


woah what happened to it ? Never seen a hyo tyre that looked like that before. God help us if he gets an R6 - you will never catch him.

DB

I wonder if there is a link here..........

[Gubb]

Nope, if you PM him i'm sure he'll tell the story.
I don't wanna post it up, it's his story. I don't think the replacement bike has quite the same get-up-and-go as the Hyo though. Poor Bugger.

[CookMySock]

ewps, that doesnt sound too good.

DB

[Weaver]

I crashed the Hyosung due to a bad judgement call. I'm replacing it with a CBR250RR though.
They Shinkos aren't a great tyre, but they aren't a bad tyre either.

[nigel_1981]

Higher octane is not always better depends on how the engine is tuned.
For example my cage (98 wrx) gets about 450km from 98 and 480-490km from 96.
All depends on how its tuned.

Actually it's more to do with how the engine is designed, mainly compression ratio. Generally speaking modern engines don’t "get tuned", parts just get replaced.. With modern engines timing is adaptive, meaning they will try and run as close to detonation as what’s safe for the long term durability. Ever heard of a knock sensor? If you run lower octane than what is recommended your timing will retard, and your peak performance will be affected. Basically just put in the gas in your manufacturer states... Can anyone tell me what the EX250 runs on? I'm looking at buying one..

[Ripperjon]

The manual says minimum 87. I just had a quick look and couldn't find the page but i'm sure it recommends 91 somewhere. I have used 91, 95 and 98 and noticed no difference when the weather was warm, but i was having trouble starting her up since it's cooled off and i think using no higher than 91 is helping cos of the easier detonation, i guess).

I've not bothered checking mileage against octane rating cos the mpg is great whatever I use.

[nigel_1981]

I've not bothered checking mileage against octane rating cos the mpg is great whatever I use.

So roughy what L/100km are you getting?

[Ripperjon]

ummm, i've got no idea.

The only thing i can think of as a guide is going to invercargill on half a tank (fairly quick).

With the help of a calculator and Google Earth that would suggest about 50mpg

180kms to Invers. Tank holds 18 litres.

[Gubb]

You sure? 18L is a massive tank.

The Hyo's only have a 17L tank, and thats considered big for a 250.

[brendonjw]

Iv got the specs sheet here, yep it says its got a 18 ltr tank, doesnt mention how many ks per ltr though, Weights 152kg dry though.
11.6:1 compression, so it would probably run on 95 fine, 23.5kw @ 11,000RPM with 22 N-m of tourque at 10,000

[delusionz]

my old gpx250 took me from auckland to taupo on a full tank of regular 91 octane gas (18L)

91 is best for gpx250, the nz manual states 91 ron minimum. i tried every different pump fuel available in it and none made any noticeable difference

[sinister^]

Yeah, I get my ninja in a week or so I'll be running it on 95 or 98.

[Ripperjon]

Don't forget to oil the choke lever then ;)

[Slicksta]

The guys from MCN have done a video on the ninja 250 vs GT250R LINK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkqDzeCVkX0)

[Nordy]

Thanks for that link, it was good to watch

[Dakara]

The guys from MCN have done a video on the ninja 250 vs GT250R LINK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkqDzeCVkX0)

Interesting... The tyres on the Hyo are shocking, so for the ones on the Ninja to be worse, then they must be awful!

Build quality on the Hyosung I haven't found to be anywhere near as bad as the review, had mine for about 8 months now, and no peeling paint or rust spots... only complaints in terms of "quality" is that it's made with cheaper parts (i.e. I doubt they'll last half as long as the old CBR's etc), but for a 250 who cares :scooter:

Honestly, I think someone would be happy with either one of them in terms of a commuter/first bike (though I had a ZZR250 for a year before getting a Hyo), so for those looking, buy whichever is better priced.

In terms of re-sale, I've been offered between $5,000 - $6,000 for my '08 Hyo ($7,395 new) on a trade, $6k on a new bike, or $5k+ on a 2nd hand one.

-Edit-

In terms of a first bike however, if your new to riding and haven't even done your Basic Handling yet, then I wouldn't rush into buying either... get some confidence on smaller bike first.

[BiK3RChiK]

In terms of a first bike however, if your new to riding and haven't even done your Basic Handling yet, then I wouldn't rush into buying either... get some confidence on smaller bike first.

Even this I would qualify with how confident you were. I got my Hyo GT250R before I had done my Basic Handling and my son who just turned 15 last month, and sat his BHS course, has just bought a Hyo GT250R.

Both of us are finding the GT250R good to ride.

[Dakara]

Even this I would qualify with how confident you were. I got my Hyo GT250R before I had done my Basic Handling and my son who just turned 15 last month, and sat his BHS course, has just bought a Hyo GT250R.

Both of us are finding the GT250R good to ride.

Oh yea, it's definitely a great bike for learning, and suppose most people wouldn't have a problem with it right from the get go. For me it was my second bike, originally having a ZZR250 until some fu#k3r stole it :angry:

However, when I was considering buying mine last year, one of the dealers asked if it was my first bike as 2 people whom he'd sold to previously which had never ridden before managed to bin them within a few days... one on their BHS... hence my previous comment.

Everyone's learning curve is different, and some people may benefit from learning to balance on a smaller bike to begin with.

[CookMySock]

Everyone's learning curve is different, and some people may benefit from learning to balance on a smaller bike to begin with.Trust me when I say, BiK3RChiK shook like a leaf for the first few hours on her new GT250R. An enormous amount of respect (and fear) was evident..

Point being, if it's done right, anyone (even tiny shorty-ass timid females) can learn to ride on a massive GT250R. Three months later she is solid as a rock and looks deadly in yellow/black + black visor.

Theres no way a GT250R should be anywhere near a basic handling skills test. Even a very experienced rider will have a tough time with that slalom on such a bike.

Initial balance shouldn't be done on a motorbike, in my opinion. The basic principles can be demonstrated much better and with much less stress on a pushbike. :Offtopic:

DB

[Dakara]

Theres no way a GT250R should be anywhere near a basic handling skills test. Even a very experienced rider will have a tough time with that slalom on such a bike.


Hehe, yea point taken! I did mine on a GN125 :katman:

[BiK3RChiK]

Hehe, yea point taken! I did mine on a GN125 :katman:

I and my son did our BHS on a GN125, and there was a surprising amount of scooters on my course too. They had no trouble doing the cone weave! No way would I even consider taking my GT250R onto a BHS course! LOL

Also, I have yet to see the poor build quality mentioned by others and that video above. I think with proper care and cover, they would be comparable to other bikes, although moving parts may wear faster than others. Yet to find out though...

[Dakara]

Also, I have yet to see the poor build quality mentioned by others and that video above. I think with proper care and cover, they would be comparable to other bikes, although moving parts may wear faster than others. Yet to find out though...

Same here, only problem I've had with mine is the clock doesn't work :bleh:

From what I've read on international forums it's just the odd poor dealer assembly's that given them some bad reviews.

[Roki_nz]

Actually it's more to do with how the engine is designed, mainly compression ratio. Generally speaking modern engines don’t "get tuned", parts just get replaced.. With modern engines timing is adaptive, meaning they will try and run as close to detonation as what’s safe for the long term durability. Ever heard of a knock sensor? If you run lower octane than what is recommended your timing will retard, and your peak performance will be affected. Basically just put in the gas in your manufacturer states... Can anyone tell me what the EX250 runs on? I'm looking at buying one..



Ok so thats how it works cheers mate

[eratic]

I find it funny when people say the Japanese Ninja is alot better quality than the Korean Hyosung... When the ninja is made in taiwan and the hyosung is made in korea... They both look the same quality/worksmanship to me.

Does anyone know if its possible to buy the hyosung and assemble it yourself? instead of having the dealer assemble it, Ive heard of a few people doing this.

[Meanie]

I find it funny when people say the Japanese Ninja is alot better quality than the Korean Hyosung... When the ninja is made in taiwan and the hyosung is made in korea... They both look the same quality/worksmanship to me.

Does anyone know if its possible to buy the hyosung and assemble it yourself? instead of having the dealer assemble it, Ive heard of a few people doing this.

If you did manage to do this you would probably kiss your warantee goodbye
It sure pays to have them if anything goes wrong

[dave_a]

I find it funny when people say the Japanese Ninja is alot better quality than the Korean Hyosung... When the ninja is made in taiwan and the hyosung is made in korea... They both look the same quality/worksmanship to me.

Does anyone know if its possible to buy the hyosung and assemble it yourself? instead of having the dealer assemble it, Ive heard of a few people doing this.

you obviously havent looked closely or you dont know what you are looking at, the build quality is nothing alike

[CookMySock]

Does anyone know if its possible to buy the hyosung and assemble it yourself? instead of having the dealer assemble it, Ive heard of a few people doing this.I saw one in its box and there isn't much to "assemble". Bars, front wheel, pull plastic off seat..

The "build quality" is not an issue. If you LIKE it you BUY it. A week later you will LOVE it.. Lots and lots of other people LOVE it too, so you have good opportunities for resale.. end of problem!

DB

[h20boy]

I ve just gone through this very decision. Heres some of the things I considered:

1. Both have 2 year, unlimited warranties.
2. Ninja is 18kg's lighter.
3. Hyosung putting out 20.7kw@10000 vs 23.5kw Ninja
3. Hyosung max torque 22.68@ 7000rpm vs Ninja 22.0@ 10000rpm
4. Same quoted seat height. (Important ...im 6'4")
5. Ninja is $200 cheaper on the floor.
6. 5spd Hyosung/6spd Ninja(Which is apparently brilliant transmission)

I've read as many reviews as I can find and there certainly is a common theme regarding build quality issues with the Hyosung.

Both bikes look great!

For those of you who have sat on a Hyosung for more than a couple of minutes I found the angle forward put a lot of weight through my wrists...but could be due to my height.

Look forward to your thoughts.

[brendonjw]

I think you'll find the Ninja is a little lower in the seat than the Hyo, Thats what my brouchers at home say, and all what my bum on seat opinion is after sitting on both, Also the store i was checking the Hyo out at only had a 1 year warrenty on them

[Nordy]

I agree with brendonjw. I can put my feet flat on the floor with the ninja, not with the hyo.

[h20boy]

Guys...you dont understand. I really want a Ninja :)

Check these links out:

http://www.kawasaki.co.nz/media/pdfs/EX250J8F.pdf
(page 4)

http://www.hyosung.co.nz/model.php?id=28&view=specs

Only 5mm in it. I guess width may be why you find the Hyo bigger?

[Gubb]

Nothing wrong with having a goal, but if your in the market for a new 250, you'd be silly not to at least take the Hyo for a test ride, and see for yourself.

[325rocket]

1. Both have 2 year, unlimited warranties.

For those of you who have sat on a Hyosung for more than a couple of minutes I found the angle forward put a lot of weight through my wrists...but could be due to my height.

.

1 Only one year on Hyo

2 im pretty short and i get sore wrists too

[CookMySock]

For those of you who have sat on a Hyosung for more than a couple of minutes I found the angle forward put a lot of weight through my wrists...but could be due to my height.You get used to this - takes a few months. Four months and 8,000km's after starting on my GT650R I don't really notice it now. It's worse at low speed.. anything under 70k's is not fun for the first few months. I would go as far as saying that if you were ONLY using it for commuting, and you were stuck under 70k/hr on it, then it is perhaps the wrong bike.. :shit: If you were really dedicated you might get past it, but oww its gunna be sore.

DB

[FLYMO]

never had a kawa that held togeather for very long yet
am happy with the hyo
least its made in korea not tiwan like the kawa

[WTB]

Guys...you dont understand. I really want a Ninja :)

Check these links out:

http://www.kawasaki.co.nz/media/pdfs/EX250J8F.pdf
(page 4)

http://www.hyosung.co.nz/model.php?id=28&view=specs

Only 5mm in it. I guess width may be why you find the Hyo bigger?

The ninja in green looks real good, I brought my Hyosung (current 2 tone 08 model) just before they arrived and I may have been tempted but I liked the big bike appearance of the GT250R and the fact it was something different.

I don't use it to commute but have had 15,000 km's of trouble free fun riding, only having to replace the chain & the normal 4,000km servicing.

The bike can be easily tweaked to sound better/louder and once you have discovered the limits of the shinko tyres a new set of good rubber will provide even greater confidence.

I'm working thru the licence thing & it's been brilliant for that, I'm not sure if the new fuel injected GT250R model is due soon but maybe thats worth considering.

[Ripperjon]

Where did Taiwan come from? The Ninjas are built in Thailand.

[h20boy]

Mt Eden motorcycles quoted me 2 years, unlimited km's warranty on both bikes...this was only last week so I doubt its changed.

[brendonjw]

Hmmmm curious, when i was in there about 3 weeks ago one of the salesmen and I were comparing the two, He initially thought it was a 2 year warrenty until i said that didnt sound right compared to what i had heard so he went and checked and came back with that, yep its only a 1 year one, i would double check h20boy just to be safe if you are thinking bout the hyo as most of the bigger riders do :2thumbsup

[Nordy]

I was told a 1 year warrenty too (had set km limit too I think, but I cant remember that part)

[breakaway]

Actually it's more to do with how the engine is designed, mainly compression ratio. Generally speaking modern engines don’t "get tuned", parts just get replaced.. With modern engines timing is adaptive, meaning they will try and run as close to detonation as what’s safe for the long term durability. Ever heard of a knock sensor? If you run lower octane than what is recommended your timing will retard, and your peak performance will be affected. Basically just put in the gas in your manufacturer states... Can anyone tell me what the EX250 runs on? I'm looking at buying one..

Thats a nice informative post.

However it's important to mention that most carbed bikes do not have fancy electrics like knock or O² sensors and the like. I suspect the Ninja doesn't, maybe the newer EFI GT250R does.

[h20boy]

Yeah thanks for that...I will double check. Though I was told twice by two seperate staff members. Roll on September...I want my Ninja! :)

[Roki_nz]

never had a kawa that held togeather for very long yet
am happy with the hyo
least its made in korea not tiwan like the kawa

I would have thought both country have just a good build quality. Most of the reviews i have read have suggested that the hyo is a bit more prone to rust

[CookMySock]

[...] if you are thinking bout the hyo as most of the bigger riders doShorty-ass chix look grrrreat on the hyo too, if they can get past the massiveness of it.


Most of the reviews i have read have suggested that the hyo is a bit more prone to rustYes, there are nicks here and there in the protective coatings, and they bleed a little. It's just carelessness during assembly, or maybe a poor coating process. Easy fixed with a can of fishoil protectant - squirt squirt here and there as regular maintenance - keeps it looking mint.

DB

[Roki_nz]

Shorty-ass chix look grrrreat on the hyo too, if they can get past the massiveness of it.

Yes, there are nicks here and there in the protective coatings, and they bleed a little. It's just carelessness during assembly, or maybe a poor coating process. Easy fixed with a can of fishoil protectant - squirt squirt here and there as regular maintenance - keeps it looking mint.

DB


Thanks will keep that in mind when i am going to buy but thats not for a while any way

[h20boy]

check this out!

http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=WkqDzeCVkX0

[Slyer]

He's a whole lot of pics of the Ninja being manufactured if anyone's interested:
http://www.ninja250thailand.com/board/index.php?topic=114.0

[cameltoe]

hey guys,
anyone got a '09 ninja??
Im picking mine up tomorrow from the shop. First real bike, really looking forward to it. to answer one question the warranty on the hyo is defianately 1 year Vs 2 on the ninja. Im 183mm and only sat them both once but felt hell ov alot comfier than the hyo.

[Jerry74]

Get the Ninja.

Hyosung sounds like a sewing machine brand

[Slyer]

Ah they're selling 2009's now? Cool.

[brendonjw]

From what iv heard they are still the 08 ones with no real change (except they are charging more for the 09 one overseas, will be curious to see if they do the same thing here)

[CookMySock]

Get the Ninja. Hyosung sounds like a sewing machine brandYeah but the ninja sounds like a sewing machine, hahaha, so you get it one way or the other.. :Oi: sorry!

Is the '09 GT250R EFI ? Anyone know what other improvements on it ? Suspension ? (oh please, yes better suspension!)

DB

[cameltoe]

picked up the ninja today, although its my first bike Im very Very impressed with it. Well worth the money and its so gorgeous. I love it.

[Slyer]

Awesome man, enjoy it!
Where you from?

[CookMySock]

@cameltoe, thats awesome dood. Welcome to KB also.

Steve

[imw-hornet]

Well done dude , enjoy , and welcome to the site :)

[Mr. Rock]

madness good buy.. if your in the hamilton area message me and we catch up

[Roki_nz]

picked up the ninja today, although its my first bike Im very Very impressed with it. Well worth the money and its so gorgeous. I love it.

Yeap its a very good bike your going to have a blast on. Just don't damage or break you tail light lense, you have to buy the hole tail light unit to fix it Grrr

[iangee]

I've had my ninja for about 6 weeks now, really really enjoying it. Had his 1000km service today and was told he was officially run in so now I can ride it without watching the rev counter!!!

[cameltoe]

hey guys again,
just a update, have done 1200kms in almost 2 weeks. had the 1000km check done. everything is mint on it cept on a couple of occasions when moving along at a hundy the tacho is reading a tad over 8000RPM when it should be about 7400RPM. but found on some forum that the cable heats up and gives a inaccurate reading. riding down the street all the hot chiky babes love it :banana:, Im also planning on a few upgrades. first is a dynojet kit, A full yoshimura system, a seat cowl and am trying to find a way to get rid of the foot pegs, also obvioulsy going to get a fender illiminator coz the rear end is ugly as. but she goes well, about 165KPH top speed. for the people wondering where I live I live in Wanganui, if anyone comes down this way let me know coz it sucks riding by myself all the time.

[breakaway]

Does the 2009 model have EFI? According to Wikipedia the 'Euro/Thai' ones have EFI.

[Slyer]

Most likely not in New Zealand, if we were going to get them we would have had them for 2008

[cameltoe]

nah still got a carby,
the european and japanese have EFI where there are people can afford the extra cost.

[Slyer]

Nah, it's just a lot cheaper there :P
I'd pay extra for one..

[Victoria]

hey guys again,
just a update, have done 1200kms in almost 2 weeks. had the 1000km check done. everything is mint on it cept on a couple of occasions when moving along at a hundy the tacho is reading a tad over 8000RPM when it should be about 7400RPM. but found on some forum that the cable heats up and gives a inaccurate reading. riding down the street all the hot chiky babes love it :banana:, Im also planning on a few upgrades. first is a dynojet kit, A full yoshimura system, a seat cowl and am trying to find a way to get rid of the foot pegs, also obvioulsy going to get a fender illiminator coz the rear end is ugly as. but she goes well, about 165KPH top speed. for the people wondering where I live I live in Wanganui, if anyone comes down this way let me know coz it sucks riding by myself all the time.
Apologies for the ignorance- I'm not mechanically minded, but I do want to improve my bike, what exactly are you getting done to your Ninja?.
I'm going to get the tail sorted- all that stuff hanging off is got to go! I've only done about 600kms on mine to date- did you follow the running-in rules to the letter?

[Slyer]

Jet kit:
http://www.2fiddy.com/category/parts/jet-kits/
Yoshimura:
http://www.2fiddy.com/2008/04/yoshimura-exhaust-for-08-ninja-250r/
Seat cowl:
http://www.2fiddy.com/2008/05/kawasaki-oem-seat-cowl-follow-up/
Fender eliminator:
http://www.2fiddy.com/category/parts/fender-eliminator/

Enjoy, it's a great site.:niceone:

[Victoria]

Thanks for that :) Have had a look- keen on that exhaust! I got the cowl with the bike and haven't put the seat back on...have scuffed it up a bit with my boot though...still looks heaps better.

[Jerry74]

Kawasaki 250 is the best, I have owned about 6 250 road bikes and find the Kwakka most reliable and faster speed etc.

[cameltoe]

I didnt break it in as per the manuel, I took it realy easy first 300km then up to about 5-6000RPM till I did the 1000Km service which I did at 880km. at about 950km I started revving the gutts out of it. If you go to the 2fiddy site you see some people are flooring it the day they get the bike. some interesting comments where that they thought they were getting better fuel economy than the guys who broke in the engine as per the manuel. that doesnt really make sense to me. As for the upgrades, I know its just a 250 but I have been in the modified car scene for awhile and feel like I should do it to the bike aswell. the mods should make the bike a few kg's lighter(exhaust) as well as maybe 5-8 more HP I would think. and better looking too.

[cameltoe]

sorry forgot to ask, the yoshi wasnt my first choice of pipe. I wanted the HR1 system but my shop coulnt find any importers in NZ, anyone know an importer or even in Australia. not keen on buying overseas. cheers

[CookMySock]

Yup, they're adjustable. Mine were set all the way back/inward. Just loosen the two capscrews (one underneath and one on the clamp) and thump the bars forward a bit and retighten the capscrews. Now after you have retightened the capscrews, go back and check they are tight. And then go back and check them again.

Steve

[nzlidder]

dont no if anyone has posted this.. i got 2 the fourth page an got bored :(
honda/kawa should just make new cbr/zxr. id buy one.
im guessing this wont happen cuz nz isnt a big enuf market.
damn.
go bill an ben :P

[Nixa]

I have the hyo 250R, brought it for learning and it's definitly been good for that. I've riden the ninja too aswell and a zxr and in terms of handling it sits right in the middle, with the zxr on top and the ninja too soft in the suspension for my liking on bends (and I only weigh 65kg). You can tell the Zxr is designed as a race rep bike and you also get all the race rep problems :).

Owned a Zxr as my first bike, fouled the plugs 4 times in 250k, as well as a multitude of other problems - sure this was probably a one off dud (which I got my money back on) but these bikes are 15-20 years old and sheer age will take its toll.

As for the ninja, power is ok, size is too small for me - 5' 11" but I was looking for something open road cruising between Palmy and New Plymouth and I just wasn't a fan of the suspension.

Never had a problem with the hyo except the tyres which yes, you do grow out of I think, got a GT501 on the back now honestly the world of difference for the handling department.

Oh and it's for sale now!
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=206032644

Price can be discussed

[Jerry74]

Kawasaki is the better bike