Sachs Maddass

[White trash]

125cc, manual 4 speed model.

Anyone ridden one? What are they actually like? Looks like you could have a fucken ball on one.

Make mine matt black please.

[jrandom]

Yeah, what the Trashman said.

<img src="http://i28.tinypic.com/2mzkymv.jpg"/>

Imagine lanesplitting the Auckland motorways on one of those!

Fuckin' mint.

Anyone know the NZ RRP?

[White trash]

3K mate! Bloody steal I reckon.

[stig]

This review seemed blunt and to the point.

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/bikereviews/searchresults/Bike-Reviews/Sachs/Sachs-Madass-125-2005-current/?&R=EPI-496

[jrandom]

3K mate! Bloody steal I reckon.

Too right!

Hmm, I wonder how much persuasion it'd take to get Stickchick trading her EL250 in on one of those...

Of course, it might end up getting 'borrowed' occasionally if she did.

:innocent:

[jrandom]

This review seemed blunt and to the point.

Oh.

Fine, I'll go back to dreaming about Street Magics, then.

[White trash]

This review seemed blunt and to the point.

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/bikereviews/searchresults/Bike-Reviews/Sachs/Sachs-Madass-125-2005-current/?&R=EPI-496
Yeah but what they don't mention is the ton of tuning stuff available for that Honda based motor.

Love the pics of the dude on the BMX track. Makes me want one more actually:D

[James Deuce]

A workmate has one and it works fine on Urban streets. It tops out at about 80 km/hr and isn't fun to ride at that speed thanks to excessive vibration. Other than that the only problem he has had is wiring loom issues thanks to the loom being unclad. Wires worn through, water in connectors.

[stig]

A workmate has one and it works fine on Urban streets. It tops out at about 80 km/hr and isn't fun to ride at that speed thanks to excessive vibration. Other than that the only problem he has had is wiring loom issues thanks to the loom being unclad. Wires worn through, water in connectors.

Glad your an optimist but they sound like decent issues for 3k.
How much are those suzuki magics? courier drivers seem to have a ton of fun on those.
I suppose there's not much else around for the $ like that though,
do little derbi motards like this get this far downunder?
http://www.cycletrader.com/find/listing/photos/81596434/

[White trash]

Thing is with Magics is they're still only a 50cc full auto. ANd ya can't get em new, they still go for close to three K 8 years old.

I have it on VERY good authority (Lance Lowe) that they're the best bike ever built. He'd know, he's wrecked a bike or two :D

[James Deuce]

Glad your an optimist but they sound like decent issues for 3k.

3000 NZ Pesos, not 3000 quid you snob. It's just a commuter. It's cheaper than some 50cc scooters.

[MDR2]

Im Sure they featured on 20/20 or Fairgo a while back last year. The frames from memory cracked in all the important places. And they guy bringing them in was stubborn when it came to admitting their faults under warrenty.

IIRC

[James Deuce]

Im Sure they featured on 20/20 or Fairgo a while back last year. The frames from memory cracked in all the important places. And they guy bringing them in was stubborn when it came to admitting their faults under warrenty.

IIRC

They did indeed. The issue has been resolved. Normal shit Chinese quality procedures. Ship a 1000 good bikes and then revert to making the swing arm from recycled Matchbox toys. It's not about quality it's about making a profit. NZ means nothing to China. If a Chinese person asks you how many people live in NZ say "0". That's statistically closer to the truth when compared to the 1,385,000,000 people living in China.

The initial batch of 50cc bikes had few issues, but they were of course made in Germany.

[stig]

3000 NZ Pesos, not 3000 quid you snob. It's just a commuter. It's cheaper than some 50cc scooters

wasn't trying for sarcasm.
I realize such things, wasn't really pointing out the price (2k in uk pound new btw so twice the price) just asking if such a minimotard could be bought down here.
white trash seems to have more taste for the thrashing/fun side than the commuting.

[Wiki Drifter]

Wouldn't want to leave one in public, mind as well hang a 'steal me' plaque with flashing lights on it

[Jiminy]

Haven't ridden one, but a girl at uni next door used to park hers next to my EL 250. Ahem, I didn't want to swap even for a split second. They look... well... strange, like something that shouldn't have happened. But, hey, I wasn't a fan of the square headlight back then either ;)

[FzerozeroT]

They did indeed. The issue has been resolved. Normal shit Chinese quality procedures. Ship a 1000 good bikes and then revert to making the swing arm from recycled Matchbox toys. It's not about quality it's about making a profit. NZ means nothing to China. If a Chinese person asks you how many people live in NZ say "0". That's statistically closer to the truth when compared to the 1,385,000,000 people living in China.

The initial batch of 50cc bikes had few issues, but they were of course made in Germany.

Yay for ComedyFest, although he did seem to be ranting a bit like he was on the P.

[Duc]

Only things I hate about mine is the excessive vibration at higher revs and uncomfortable seat.

Mine has a few mods BTW - eg no emissions control, bigger carby, Pod instead of airbox, higher bars (which improved handling out-a-sight). Bar end mirrors (which work great).

They have great brakes and handle very well.

[crashe]

125cc, manual 4 speed model.

Anyone ridden one? What are they actually like? Looks like you could have a fucken ball on one.

Make mine matt black please.


Yeah, what the Trashman said.

<img src="http://i28.tinypic.com/2mzkymv.jpg"/>

Imagine lanesplitting the Auckland motorways on one of those!

Fuckin' mint.

Anyone know the NZ RRP?


Boys, if you want one, go and see Kerry D at Motohaus, he has a few in stock all ready to go out the door.

[pritch]

When I was looking at getting a scooter I read about these and liked the idea of the bigger wheels.

Then I thought I'd seen one in a shop that specialises in scooters but the owner said it wasn't a Sachs, it was a Chinese copy. It did look a bit rough so I passed on that idea.

[Finn]

The Madass is one step up from a Monkey bike. It’s small, cramped and silly. Its suspension has less springing than a Bic biro and all the damping qualities of an overcooked pancake. Comfortable it isn’t. What it is, however, is a fun toy.

Nice

[Badcat]

125cc, manual 4 speed model.

Anyone ridden one? What are they actually like? Looks like you could have a fucken ball on one.

Make mine matt black please.

i have one.
actually - it now officially belongs to my girlfriend - "madass" here on KB.
i've owned a street magic , and a vanvan, and it's BRILLIANT.
chassis is strong, tyres and brakes are excellent, it rides like a bike - not a crappy chinese scooter made of silver painted cheese.
the frame is BIG too - seat is quite high and all fits a grownup.
the engine is a clone xr/crf50 - mine is the manual 125.
the crap ones were clones - not the real sachs ones.
there's a guy in panmure who has entire badass motors for them with carb etc for like $600.
that's our plan once rach (madass) learns to ride.

go see kerry at motohaus and test ride one - you'll be surprised.
any queries - PM me.

ken

[fireball]

my old flatmate bought 2 of the madass bikes just for a laugh.... we put them together and i was test dummy... and all i could think was...
what a pile of crap! not practical in any sense. gutless and the seat hight well it stands higer than the FXR and its just plain akward.

waste of money if you ask me. oh and he got his for 2 grand a pop.

[Joni]

I have heard some really bad reports about them WT... I mean from a base structural integrity point of view! :wacko:

What about a Gilera DNA 180 as an option?

Better looking in my opinion and pretty nippy in town traffic, reaches 120 fairly easily when needed... but hey Im biased cause I own one :innocent:

[Badcat]

I have heard some really bad reports about them WT... I mean from a base structural integrity point of view! :wacko:

What about a Gilera DNA 180 as an option?

Better looking in my opinion and pretty nippy in town traffic, reaches 120 fairly easily when needed... but hey Im biased cause I own one :innocent:

there seems to be a lot of confusion between the genuine sachs madass and the multiple clones. i have had zero problems with mine - and the componentry is sound.
i've heard a bunch of horror stories including broken swingarms, but all these bad units were non-sachs bikes after talking to owners.
sorry to look like the defensive owner here, but i suppose i am....

ken

[Joni]

sorry to look like the defensive owner here, but i suppose i am....Fair enough hun... you own one, I dont... so you would be the better one to comment. :sunny:

[fireball]

they are what i call a mountain bike on roids

[Badcat]

they are what i call a mountain bike on roids

totally - they are a stupid, stupid, silly bike.
i love mine.

ken

[breakaway]

Wouldn't want to leave one in public, mind as well hang a 'steal me' plaque with flashing lights on it

Oh come on. If you look at it that way you can't leave anything in public

[skelstar]

Man that looks cool! Loving what I can only image are the air intakes running down the 'down-tube'.

<img src="http://bikebiz.com.au/v2/bikePhotos/sachs_madass_125_1.jpg">

Ha, thought the side-stand was a pedal for a moment.

[fireball]

totally - they are a stupid, stupid, silly bike.
i love mine.

ken

how do you find the lights at night?

i would love to stick some motoX tyres on and play on a track with one!

[Badcat]

how do you find the lights at night?

i would love to stick some motoX tyres on and play on a track with one!


they aren't great, but i rarely ride it at night.
i would be interested in the skate-park thing actually...
wonder if you can get trials tyres for it?
i reckon with a hotted up mini-moto engine, it will be a hoot!

[White trash]

Wanna bring it out south for a play one weekend Ken?

[Badcat]

Wanna bring it out south for a play one weekend Ken?

yep - i'm keen!
what did you have in mind?

[Dodger]

there's a guy in panmure who has entire badass motors for them with carb etc for like $600.

Any more info on that? Mate of mine has a Chinese copy, that he has had for a few years now.
He's always talked about putting a decent motor in it.

[delusionz]

I thought the origional Sachs company (German) closed down some years ago and sold everything to a Chinese company?

In other words, Any model newer than 2005 or whatever year is going to be identical to the broken swingarm models?

[White trash]

yep - i'm keen!
what did you have in mind?
Ummmm, me. Thrashing ya bike around my private test track :D

Second thoughts, I'd probably kill the poor fucken thing.

On reflection I'm thinking a Yamahahahaha Tricker might be more the action for what I'd be into. Good strong 250, Japanese build quality and more than capable of a decent commute.

[Badcat]

Ummmm, me. Thrashing ya bike around my private test track :D

Second thoughts, I'd probably kill the poor fucken thing.

On reflection I'm thinking a Yamahahahaha Tricker might be more the action for what I'd be into. Good strong 250, Japanese build quality and more than capable of a decent commute.

hey.
those trickers are sweet - but way too pricey. $5k is the cheapest i've seen one.
a vanvan would be just about as good (i owned one of those too - i like them small and dumb) and you can pick up a low mile one on TM for $3000-3500...
you've probably ridden a vanvan - they are sweet!

ken

[Badcat]

I thought the origional Sachs company (German) closed down some years ago and sold everything to a Chinese company?

In other words, Any model newer than 2005 or whatever year is going to be identical to the broken swingarm models?

no - sachs now build their bikes in china.
there are other manufacturers making madass clones - and THESE are the ones that are failing. i haven't seen one actual sachs madass with major issues.
as i said before - i own one - and mine is very well put together and strong.
it seems that the people who talk about them being crap always "heard it from a mate"

[Coyote]

they are what i call a mountain bike on roids
This is more like it http://www.bikepoint.co.nz/ArticleDetails.aspx?Ne=145&N=4294965366&item=30&sid=1171E2C8BCB4
And the dosed up BMX; Scorpa 4Tricks

They're both in my dream garage somewhere

[delusionz]

it seems that the people who talk about them being crap always "heard it from a mate"

I heard it from Brooke Howard Smith on Target 7 months ago.

[Badcat]

I heard it from Brooke Howard Smith on Target 7 months ago.
and that bike wasn't a sachs.
it was a clone.

[xwhatsit]

and that bike wasn't a sachs.
it was a clone.

Yes, the guy was even a KBer who brought it up. Tried finding the thread, but couldn't. It was a copy, not a proper Sachs.

[Big Dave]

I have it on VERY good authority (Lance Lowe) that they're the best bike ever built. He'd know, he's wrecked a bike or two :D


and the hippie, didn't he

[NordieBoy]

I'd want one...

<img src=http://www.photostorage.nelson.geek.nz/sports/motorsport/other/Sachs/slides/20061110-134859.jpg>

[White trash]

hey.
those trickers are sweet - but way too pricey. $5k is the cheapest i've seen one.
a vanvan would be just about as good (i owned one of those too - i like them small and dumb) and you can pick up a low mile one on TM for $3000-3500...
you've probably ridden a vanvan - they are sweet!

ken
Yeah mate, I rate the Vanvan but it's not quite the right bike for hooning around Skate parks and up and down stairways. Wheelies on them are a bit of an effort too.

Oh Christ, I hope Dipshit doesn't read this thread :D

[Forest]

no - sachs now build their bikes in china.
there are other manufacturers making madass clones - and THESE are the ones that are failing. i haven't seen one actual sachs madass with major issues.
as i said before - i own one - and mine is very well put together and strong.
it seems that the people who talk about them being crap always "heard it from a mate"

Didn't the official NZ distributor for Sachs write an open letter on this subject?

If I recall correctly, the quality from the new manufacturer was so appalling that the official distributor actually gave up on the product.

[cowpoos]

125cc, manual 4 speed model.

Anyone ridden one? What are they actually like? Looks like you could have a fucken ball on one.

Make mine matt black please.
get one sunshine....then I'll come around with a box stienies and give you an education on how to wheelie one!!



then you can give me some speeling and punchtuation leasons!!

[Forest]

Here we go - the warning letter from the former Sachs distributor which was linked in the last thread.

Please read the letter if you're considering buying one of these bikes.

From: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1120960&postcount=19

[.produKt]

Well then. The question remains.

Do i get one? and if i ask the seller of the bike if it's a cheaply made chinese ripoff - Will he answer truthfully? What if it does turn out to be a cheap ripoff? What are my options?

[NordieBoy]

Well then. The question remains.

Do i get one? and if i ask the seller of the bike if it's a cheaply made chinese ripoff - Will he answer truthfully? What if it does turn out to be a cheap ripoff? What are my options?

Not so much a cheaply made Chinese ripoff as a cheaply made Chinese MadAss.
They make the MadAss now under licence from Sachs.

[.produKt]

We'll, I've test ridden one courtesy of Motorcycle Imports down Tuam st, just around the corner from me.

Pictures do not do the bike justice! The engineering in the bike is fantastically thought out and if anything, i enjoyed looking at it, more than riding it :)
To ride, i thought it was absolutely brilliant! Accelerate normally and you really do feel the torque and suprisingly is wasn't that slow. Albeit a far cry from my Zxr250 of old :)

Open up the throttle till just over half way and the sound is niice, for a single banger!. You can easily hear a deep burble that seems to come from the first 2 inch of exhaust pipe & echo's in your helmut :).

The chassis/frame is communicative too. I could feel the slight flex of the sidewall when i chucked it right......... then left without braking for a corner at all :shifty: :love: lol

A few critizims tho. The seat is to wide at the front and caused some discomfort in my inner thighs, The choke needs a spring on the end of the lever or something. A choke should have some feel to it . It felt as daft and as disconnected as love making is virtually -_-. And my biggest crit of all this is the branding.

I'd never heard of Sach's before coming across this bike on Tardeme. This does not fill me with confidence when it comes to finding parts \ support etc!~

I am getting one. :soon:. Just gotta wait for the delivery for a matt black 125 ;)

[skidMark]

125cc, manual 4 speed model.

Anyone ridden one? What are they actually like? Looks like you could have a fucken ball on one.

Make mine matt black please.


Yer ridden one, seat is high and uncomfotable, it is a fucked up riding position.

[.produKt]

Hm - I agree.

Quite fun tho, and unique too. mine's going to the modshop as soon as i get it :)

[nptnz]

Hi ,

Neat bike my misses wants one for her birthday,might even give her a muffler for free!!

http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=AC8HWgOro34
see link

[Badcat]

Hm - I agree.

Quite fun tho, and unique too. mine's going to the modshop as soon as i get it :)

please post the changes you make.
my girlfriend (KB name Madass) has one and we'll be modding it too...
prob an engine swap - seems to be the most cost-effective as the pitbike places can sell decent 110 or 125s for $5-600 with carb , ignition etc.
just bolt them up - but you will lose the electric start..
ken

[.produKt]

please post the changes you make.
my girlfriend (KB name Madass) has one and we'll be modding it too...
prob an engine swap - seems to be the most cost-effective as the pitbike places can sell decent 110 or 125s for $5-600 with carb , ignition etc.
just bolt them up - but you will lose the electric start..
ken

Yea sounds like a plan. TBH i was thinking something a bit more technical and supercharging it, as i just LOVE the supercharger whine :) :love:

But in the end, whatever i do has to be unique. I'm thinking nos & or supercharger :) I already have a turbo that i've stripped down to a compressor housing and pulley, and that's intended for another project. hmm what to do.

Here's some of the feasible idea's i've had tho.

Gear reduction \ lengthen.
Cam grind
Porting (very feasible as i have a die grinder with appropriate tools.)
aftermarket exhaust from neptunemufflers.co.nz *shameless plug*
Lightweight rims
Better tyres
Carbon rear tyre huggers (although mainly cosmetic)
POD filter?
Intake Tract shortening (mainly to get rid of the ripples in those horrid tubes (less turbulence)
LArger carb
Jetted carb

Feel free to add any ideas :)
- rich

[Badcat]

Yea sounds like a plan. TBH i was thinking something a bit more technical and supercharging it, as i just LOVE the supercharger whine :) :love:

But in the end, whatever i do has to be unique. I'm thinking nos & or supercharger :) I already have a turbo that i've stripped down to a compressor housing and pulley, and that's intended for another project. hmm what to do.

Here's some of the feasible idea's i've had tho.

Gear reduction \ lengthen.
Cam grind
Porting (very feasible as i have a die grinder with appropriate tools.)
aftermarket exhaust from neptunemufflers.co.nz *shameless plug*
Lightweight rims
Better tyres
Carbon rear tyre huggers (although mainly cosmetic)
POD filter?
Intake Tract shortening (mainly to get rid of the ripples in those horrid tubes (less turbulence)
LArger carb
Jetted carb

Feel free to add any ideas :)
- rich
i visited a mini mx bike shop right on the panmure roundabout -i think the guy's name was richard. he used to sell the madass and reckons an engine swap is the best idea - keeps it reliable.
he said a pod filter and carb rejet makes a big difference - along with the ignition and a freer exhaust if you don't want to bolt up a newer motor..

take a look here too...


http://www.ooracing.com/store/index.php?act=viewCat&catId=116

ken

[.produKt]

holyshit wow they have a extensive range or tuning parts for the madass bikes :O

If you ever make an order thru them, let me know and i'll double up on shipping with you, that way it'll save us both :)

[Badcat]

http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/discuss/7/85389/59581/

[Badcat]

Hi ,

Neat bike my misses wants one for her birthday,might even give her a muffler for free!!

http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=AC8HWgOro34
see link

hey!
how much for that muffler?
does it make a big difference in power?

[.produKt]

NICE!!

Buy that 1250 160cc Charger! Engine kit and start a new class of racing ;)
http://www.ooracing.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=1152

My only concern with this massive scope for modifications is that i will have a warranty to think about :S

Re above post. I asked the same question. $400 for one in silver, and they would consider doing on in black for an xtra 50$. And that'll be custom made to order of course :)

You seen that youtube video of a madass with this zorst onit?
Sounds **R18*** great even on the stock lil engine :)

[hazard02]

NICE!!

Buy that 1250 160cc Charger! Engine kit and start a new class of racing ;)
http://www.ooracing.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=1152


This is rediculous but very cool. I can't imagine dropping nearly $1500 on an engine for a $3000 scooter, but if it gets more people into smaller bikes then more power to them.

I really want one too :(

[.produKt]

But? You have a VFR? Isn't that awesome enough for you :D?

[hazard02]

The VFR is plenty awesome, and then some. But its just a little overkill for my ~6km morning commute. I'd be keen on a Madass for the short stuff and the VFR for the weekends but a student budget doesn't allow for such luxuries...

[.produKt]

Heh, i know exactly what you mean. Cept every night i was gearing up for a 4km ride to work. Getting changed what seemed constantly got pretty tiresome lol.

[Pedrostt500]

Ive always wondered how one of these would go as a bucket