Anybody see Close Up at 7 tonight? Even if you didn't

[Jamezo]

Hot damn, I feel like a rant, let me make myself clear:

Eminem fans are poser faggots.

It's musical bullshit, yet through clever marketing, his corporate owners have managed to put a nice friendly white face on rap (which is musical bullshit to start with), making it 'cool' to be a stupid faggot.

In closing, the world would be better off if all Eminem CDs had some kind of mechanism that castrated the person who opens it. :kick:

comments? dancing monkeys? E = 1/2 mv2 ?

[Hitcher]

So much for the concept of freedom of speech.

Let's round up some witches and have ourselves a hangin'...

[Paul in NZ]

EXACTLY!

Music without a banjo and fiddle and a slide guitar ain't shit!

Paul N

ps You commin to the wellie bbq?

[Paul in NZ]

So much for the concept of freedom of speech.

Let's round up some witches and have ourselves a hangin'...

You see the sort of damage rap music does?

You don't HANG witches! You BURN em! Of course ya gotta dunk them first though (makes them harder to burn) but it's a tradition or an old charter or something...

Paul N

[Hitcher]

You see the sort of damage rap music does?

You don't HANG witches! You BURN em! Of course ya gotta dunk them first though (makes them harder to burn) but it's a tradition or an old charter or something...
Nope. I don't see the damage rap music does. It's not my choice of repertoire but there's lots of folks that are into it.

You only burn witches what float! My way removes any ambiguity...

[Jamezo]

:yes: it's not so much the 'damage' done to young people's impressionable minds, but more the fact that they are throwing their money into the coffers of The Corporate Beast, for a product completely deviod of musical value.

[James Deuce]

Hot damn, I feel like a rant, let me make myself clear:

Eminem fans are poser faggots.

It's musical bullshit, yet through clever marketing, his corporate owners have managed to put a nice friendly white face on rap (which is musical bullshit to start with), making it 'cool' to be a stupid faggot.

In closing, the world would be better off if all Eminem CDs had some kind of mechanism that castrated the person who opens it. :kick:

comments? dancing monkeys? E = 1/2 mv2 ?

Eminem is from a city with a predominantly black population, with hideous social issues. If Eminem is the "friendly" white face of rap then you haven't been listening or watching. Eminem is one of the foremost commentators of the injustices of both white trash and African American culture. Race isn't an issue with Eminem, but he reflects that values of a massive chunk of Urban white and African American youth. Ignore that little bit of info at your peril, because like it or not, the most diseased vagrant living in the shelter of a freeway underpass in the US has more political, military, and economic might to reinforce his/her "right" to be a bum than any other human being living or dead.

If we were to apply the standard NZ rule of consensus taking the day, your opinion is worth, oooo, about, well, nothing.

Pop back under a rock for twenty years and see if we "catch up" to your musical taste when you pop back out.

[James Deuce]

:yes: it's not so much the 'damage' done to young people's impressionable minds, but more the fact that they are throwing their money into the coffers of The Corporate Beast, for a product completely deviod of musical value.

If you've ever bought anything with "brand" (including CDs of music YOU like) you've done the same thing. Even "unbranded" stuff now has a marketing value. You're gonna have to catch up and stop taking this stuff a little less seriously.

The stuff you like IS anathema to someone else with different taste. So what. Just enjoy what you like with out the evangelism.

[Blakamin]

:yes: it's not so much the 'damage' done to young people's impressionable minds, but more the fact that they are throwing their money into the coffers of The Corporate Beast, for a product completely deviod of musical value.
Arghhh... there be a Pirate on the horizon, cap'n
shiver me timbers and me peg-leg will get cold :stoogie:

[riffer]

Yup Jamezo, looks like you got caught up in the same old thing that people throughout time have - not understanding where someone else is coming from and writing off someone as having no creative talent due to the fact that you don't identify with what they stand for.

I caught a lot of this sort of flak growing up with the whole punk/new romantic/rasta/metaller/breakdancer thing in the 80s. Playing in bands which tried to combine and mix various genres of music I found myself presented with audiences reactions ranging from the imbercilic ("play some Motorhead") to the ignorant ("why do you play reggae its n*&*r shit") through to a few who understood and appreciated my need to fill my head with as many different musical styles as possible.

Music is like writing - you don't learn a lot about writing by only reading Stephen King - although he has written a few entertaining books.

There is merit in any form of musical and creative expression - even if you don't like the method of expression.

By writing someone off because you don't identify with them you limit yourself from experiencing something possibly novel and enlightening.

I'm not saying you'll get that from Eminem - but I will defend to the end his right to express himself in the form that he chooses to.

As for record companies - don't get me started there.... <_<

[Jackrat]

:yes: it's not so much the 'damage' done to young people's impressionable minds, but more the fact that they are throwing their money into the coffers of The Corporate Beast, for a product completely deviod of musical value.

I don't listen to him but he's as relevent to those that do as The Rolling stones or Bob Dylan were/are to me.
You sound just like the OLD farts that put them down,for much the same reasons.
So what have you produced? :whistle:

[Blakamin]

As for record companies - don't get me started there.... <_<
Or me...deal with the F*&^ers everyday!

I'm a metal head from waaay back.... and I reckon eminem is cool!!!

[mangell6]

Its all in the message I'm no go and find a mother to f . . . .. . cos thats what the words say.

It is all a battle cry between factions that live in the city, its where it all started, sort of like Opera - words that you don't understand with a musical beat thrown in.

[Jamezo]

If you've ever bought anything with "brand" (including CDs of music YOU like) you've done the same thing. Even "unbranded" stuff now has a marketing value. You're gonna have to catch up and stop taking this stuff a little less seriously.

The stuff you like IS anathema to someone else with different taste. So what. Just enjoy what you like with out the evangelism.

I think I come off pretty well in the 'corporate sponsorship' test, I have never paid for any kind of brand-name anything, the last time I bought a CD was when I was 9 or so.

I won't deny Eminems, err, talent, but being a good rapper is like being a good burglar, it takes skill, but it isn't necessarily directed in a healthy way.

I realise the 'horses for courses' stand, but I am personally flabbergasted at the amount of money and prestige Eminem gets for being a corporate frontman. I am always striving to improve my musical taste, and as a guitarist, (you can see a couple of bits I have recorded, www.audiostreet.net/jmz fun stuff this recording shizzle!), my playing of the instrument has changed my musical tastes radically. Many moons ago, I was downloading Eminem and Avril Lavigne, because I had basically no idea what I was doing.

Since my study of the instrument, my musical taste has evolved constantly, and I can now appreciate far more fully a well crafted song, full of power and beauty. Eminems music has a message, and it made with talent, but it is almost completely lacking in melody, rhythm, harmony, basically all important musical elements.

What I am left to conclude, is that his music is just a grab for cash. He admits in his own songs how he uses his whiteness to tap the previously unavailable markets of easily manipulated children, re: White America (I didn't download it! I listened to it at the CD Store in one of those thingie-bobs)

I see many people who make some of the most stunning and beautiful music I have ever heard, at sites like www.guitarwar.com, and they get squat. meanwhile teenie-bopper idols like Eminem get fame and fourtune. This is my gripe against Eminem and the system that spawned him.

Thank you for your time ladies and gentlemen and slobbargoats. (Give me some feedback if you listened to my guitar shizzle!)

[marty]

eminem is like robbie williams. neither of them are classical artists, but both are VERY good at what they do. if that's sucking people into buying their brand, then good on them. if in your eyes i'm a poser faggot for shaking my head in disbelief and occasionally enjoying their brash lack of humbleness, then fuck you too.

[Motu]

Yeah,but would you wave to them? that's the most important thing.I wouldn't wave to a rapper,don't wave to disco,....I'd wave to Roy Buchanan though...

[edit] Hey,time for my rant! what's this sending all my posts to the top of page 2,I'm getting pissed off with this,it means everyone see's what I wrote soon as they go to page 2....just cut it out eh?

[MOTOXXX]

if ol marshal mathers is just grabin the cash then i say good on him.

how many other famouse white rappers are there. more or less none realy aprt from the guy from cypress hill. He would have worked bloody hard to get to where he is today. sure hes controversial but media coverage is always good for record sales.

i personaly cant relate to his music or upbringing but he has found something hes good at and found a way to sell it.


hey at least hes not breaking into cars or houses.


:)

[James Deuce]

I think I come off pretty well in the 'corporate sponsorship' test, I have never paid for any kind of brand-name anything, the last time I bought a CD was when I was 9 or so.



Wot, so you don't buy Coke or Eta chips?

[Jamezo]

Wot, so you don't buy Coke or Eta chips?

I've never bought coke, though I have bought a truckload of L&P :)

I've never bought ETA chips either, but that's just semantics.

The point I was trying to make, is that I purchase based on quality, not on brand name, if somebody else made a better L&P, I'd buy it!

As I have come to understand it, people buy Eminems albums/merchandise/concert tickets not because it is amazing music, but because through the mass media, the public has been told that it is 'cool' and that you 'need' it.

The same rule applies to many objects that dominate peoples lives, nobody needs calvin klein, nobody needs tickle-me-elmos, yet countless hordes are driven into frenzies by both.

An artificial need is created by advertising, and the makers get rich. Everybody wins? Hmm...

Eminem's music can be compared to the tickle-me-elmo, not being particularly brilliant in design or execution, with just enough mass appeal and novelty value to create a sensation, creating a snowball effect of media coverage and massive demand.

There is so much amazing brilliant beautiful music out there, but the masses will most likely never hear it, because there is little money to be made from high quality non-sensationalised music. a few amazing artists slip through the cracks, enjoying good commercial success while dedicated to producing amazing music, people like Joe Satriani and Gary Moore.

[James Deuce]

I've never bought coke, though I have bought a truckload of L&P :)

I've never bought ETA chips either, but that's just semantics.

The point I was trying to make, is that I purchase based on quality, not on brand name, if somebody else made a better L&P, I'd buy it!



You've completely missed the point. Anything that is manufactured by a corporate organisation has the same sort of BS you're complaining about in the music world with it. L&P is made by the same company who make Coke in this country. Everybody in western society has bought into the corporate "BS" way of things whether they like it or not. Even alternative lifestylers will have a Stanley screwdriver in the toolbox somewhere and a pair of gumboots.

Quality is one of those words that is hugely difficult to define because it is purely subjective at personal, social, ethnic, cultural, demographic, and semantic level (any many other levels besides). In the the case of L&P, what you believe to be quality is an overly sweet imitation of the orginal product produced and bottled from a spring near Paeroa, for me.

You're arguing about style, taste, and corporate marketing, all of which defy rational explanation. You've massively over simplified Eminem's music and lyrical content because it suits your argument to do so. Satriani is a souless hack, who Muddy Waters could make look like a kiddy playing in the children's pool at the local swimming baths in comparision. But that's my opinion, I claim it as such, and I will discuss the reasons for my opinion happily, but I won't try to convert someone who doesn't get it. But from my perspective Satriani passed a good chunk of technique to Steve Vai, who I believe to be a superior musician in every way. Therefore Satiriani has still made a contribution to stuff that I like, and I enjoy listening to his stuff to see what Vai took from it.

Big picture, and try to avoid the sweeping statements.

[bluninja]

Personally I enjoyed 'Stan' and 'Lose yourself' . Saying there is no rythmn in the music...I would say that eminem is all about cadence and rythmn.

Not sure if this post is a cheap mans rebel marketing campaign. Slag someone successful off then put a link to your own music so people will go and listen. :whistle: Hope the whistling is in tune!

[Jamezo]

You've completely missed the point. Anything that is manufactured by a corporate organisation has the same sort of BS you're complaining about in the music world with it. L&P is made by the same company who make Coke in this country. Everybody in western society has bought into the corporate "BS" way of things whether they like it or not. Even alternative lifestylers will have a Stanley screwdriver in the toolbox somewhere and a pair of gumboots.

Quality is one of those words that is hugely difficult to define because it is purely subjective at personal, social, ethnic, cultural, demographic, and semantic level (any many other levels besides). In the the case of L&P, what you believe to be quality is an overly sweet imitation of the orginal product produced and bottled from a spring near Paeroa, for me.

You're arguing about style, taste, and corporate marketing, all of which defy rational explanation. You've massively over simplified Eminem's music and lyrical content because it suits your argument to do so. Satriani is a souless hack, who Muddy Waters could make look like a kiddy playing in the children's pool at the local swimming baths in comparision. But that's my opinion, I claim it as such, and I will discuss the reasons for my opinion happily, but I won't try to convert someone who doesn't get it. But from my perspective Satriani passed a good chunk of technique to Steve Vai, who I believe to be a superior musician in every way. Therefore Satiriani has still made a contribution to stuff that I like, and I enjoy listening to his stuff to see what Vai took from it.

Big picture, and try to avoid the sweeping statements.

with regard to the soft drink shizzle, I was only trying to humour your question, I am well aware that they are produced by the same company, as well as the fact that modern L&P bears no resemblance to it's namesake of yore.

I can honestly state that my level of corporate buy in is very slim, and I do not feel as if I am depriving myself of anything meaningful, as I will still buy things like L&P, if I genuinely think it tastes better than any other soft drink I know of. A matter of taste, but this cannot be compared to music, it would be an incredibly tall order to argue that Eminem's music is musically superior to Vai or Satriani.

I would be happy to talk music with ya, I happen to find a lot in both Vai and Satriani, as a matter of fact I'm listening to For The Love of God right now, that's a song and a half all right.

Have you heard Ceremony, The Forgotten Part II and Crushing Day by Satriani? Those are my personal favourites.

I didn't mention Vai, as he just hasn't had the commercial success of Satriani, not too sure how many people would have heard of him.

Ever heard much Jason Becker, Michael Angelo or Yngwie Malmsteen? (there's a bit of a trend going on there :msn-wink: )

[Jamezo]

Personally I enjoyed 'Stan' and 'Lose yourself' . Saying there is no rythmn in the music...I would say that eminem is all about cadence and rythmn.

Not sure if this post is a cheap mans rebel marketing campaign. Slag someone successful off then put a link to your own music so people will go and listen. :whistle: Hope the whistling is in tune!

ahaha, no man, that's not even my own music really, just covers.

I mean, there's a fair bit of my interpretation involved, but I didn't sit down and write it all.

feel free to listen to it though :yeah:

[Blakamin]

I didn't mention Vai, as he just hasn't had the commercial success of Satriani, not too sure how many people would have heard of him.

Ever heard much Jason Becker, Michael Angelo or Yngwie Malmsteen? (there's a bit of a trend going on there :msn-wink: )
OK...no commercial success???
Vai, Satriani & Malmsteen are still selling out concerts to this day! why? because in the 80's they were a commercial success! (back in the days of "hair metal" and what should have been called "Fastest Fingers First")
They still are or someone wouldnt be fronting the money... the G3 concerts aren't cheap to get tickets to....
So you're obviously someone that buys "Guitar Player" or something like that every month... another commercial product! the dont bring out that mag to lose money!

Personally, I think that Vai, Satriani & Malmsteen are still churning out the same stuff they did 15 yrs ago and thats why it hasnt become more mainstream... (did you listen to "big bad moon" :puke: )
They've got their crowd (95% of which are "guitar player"-reading guitarists), emeinem has his crowd (R&B listening young people)
I know for a fact in this country there are more R&B young people than guitar-weilding g3 fans that go to a pub and listen to jukeboxes...
this from an email i received yeterday

Please send through another C.D, preferably one with the latest R & B sounds e.g Usher, Nelly, Pharrell, R.Kelly etc.
We have a younger set crowd who enjoy R & B

Regards
Hayden
******* Restaurant & Bar

who wouldnt want to make money doing something they love?? and if it appeals to a larger audience, good on them :Punk:

[toads]

I don't listen to him but he's as relevent to those that do as The Rolling stones or Bob Dylan were/are to me.
You sound just like the OLD farts that put them down,for much the same reasons.
So what have you produced? :whistle:

well said Jackrat, eminem intends to make his lyrics evoke a response, I think he's very good at what he does, and I'm "old", here's the thing, if ya don't like it, don't listen to it, all this stuff about inappropriate role modelling etc is crap, people like stuff that provokes them, it's nothing new, shakspeare was a complete rebel back in his day.
I have said before that eminem is the Bob Dylan of today and I mean it, he is very good at what he does, you don't like it, tough!

[scumdog]

You see the sort of damage rap music does?

You don't HANG witches! You BURN em! Of course ya gotta dunk them first though (makes them harder to burn) but it's a tradition or an old charter or something...

Paul N

And you gotta tie them to a stake and stack faggots around them and then light the fire, the burning faggots dry the witches out so they can burn, that's the way you do 'em, money for nothing and the witch is free!! :doobey:

[manuboy]

I rate the guy. He seems to have a conscience, and he uses his reach publicise some of the shit and the hypocrisy that goes on.

Who wouldn't love to be able to stand up and voice their opinions and have the kind of audience this guy does? Like the Imagine remake from Perfect Circle, you might not like the track, but the intent is clear.

Compare that to wonder bunny Scribe. I could be setting myself up here, but all scribe ever seems to focus on is Scribe. :pinch: Which seems weird in a country that has it's own issues right now (foreskin and seabed anyone?)

Of course the best band in the world right now is Interpol, absolutely no argument :msn-wink: :msn-wink:

[scumdog]

Personally I enjoyed 'Stan' and 'Lose yourself' . Saying there is no rythmn in the music...I would say that eminem is all about cadence and rythmn.



Yeah but when is this emema guy going to actually SING instead of just snarling in cadence?

[Jamezo]

OK...no commercial success???
Vai, Satriani & Malmsteen are still selling out concerts to this day! why? because in the 80's they were a commercial success! (back in the days of "hair metal" and what should have been called "Fastest Fingers First")
They still are or someone wouldnt be fronting the money... the G3 concerts aren't cheap to get tickets to....
So you're obviously someone that buys "Guitar Player" or something like that every month... another commercial product! the dont bring out that mag to lose money!

Personally, I think that Vai, Satriani & Malmsteen are still churning out the same stuff they did 15 yrs ago and thats why it hasnt become more mainstream... (did you listen to "big bad moon" :puke: )
They've got their crowd (95% of which are "guitar player"-reading guitarists), emeinem has his crowd (R&B listening young people)
I know for a fact in this country there are more R&B young people than guitar-weilding g3 fans that go to a pub and listen to jukeboxes...
this from an email i received yeterday

who wouldnt want to make money doing something they love?? and if it appeals to a larger audience, good on them :Punk:

well, I'm glad that there's some people here that do know of the greats, I'd still have to say that Satriani is the most commerically successful out of all of em. they are still making the same music, though arguably not as good as in the past.

I'd say it would improve this country to really encourage people to play some kind of musical instrument, so they can gain a better appreciation of music, and free themselves from the disgusting embrace of 'popular' music and the sheep-ish-ness that it encourages. so many people think they are being 'different' and 'unique' by listening to rap, but it really is a homogenising factor. there is such an enormous variety of excellent music, enough to suit anybody's tastes, but by and large, the masses aren't interested in it, because they have little development of their musical ear, and so the quality of the music takes a back seat to other factors, like popularity and advertising, when deciding what they listen to.

side note: I've never bought a guitar mag either :hug:

[scumdog]

Big picture, and try to avoid the sweeping statements.

My sweeping statement is that despite advertising corporate bull-shit (whatever THAT is) I buy an item either because I NEED that particular item or because I WANT IT for myself, not to be trendy, look good (have you seen me?) or because I want to look cool (ya can't BUY cool) and be part of the "in" crowd.
If the products I buy happen to be "hot", "cool" or whatever at the time I don't give a fat rats arse, in fact I might be annoyed 'cos 'trendy-ness' has probably made the item more costly. :cool2:

[Jamezo]

I rate the guy. He seems to have a conscience, and he uses his reach publicise some of the shit and the hypocrisy that goes on.

Who wouldn't love to be able to stand up and voice their opinions and have the kind of audience this guy does? Like the Imagine remake from Perfect Circle, you might not like the track, but the intent is clear.

Compare that to wonder bunny Scribe. I could be setting myself up here, but all scribe ever seems to focus on is Scribe. :pinch: Which seems weird in a country that has it's own issues right now (foreskin and seabed anyone?)

Of course the best band in the world right now is Interpol, absolutely no argument :msn-wink: :msn-wink:

hahaha, scribe makes me laugh for the same reason, he's so self-congratulatory in his songs... when people start to sing about themselves.... yeesh. but I don't think eminem is completely innocent of that? neither is most hip-hop/rap?

[Blakamin]

side note: I've never bought a guitar mag either
:shit: :laugh:
I blame record companies for everything.... EVERYTHING. rain, wind, the price of fish!
(writing up a copyright return for the bastards right now)

I dont see the artist as being a commercial sellout (or whatever)(ohh....except metallisux.... lars is a money-hungry little freak) its the companies behind them, radio, tv etc....The reason most people dont open their minds to more music is that the radio stations wont play it!
and that aint gunna change in a hurry because to have a good album, you need to have a good sound. to get a good sound, you need good people behind the desk. to get them you need $$$$. you need distibution, you need marketing!
All well and good is the internet, but i'm not gunna spend my hard-earned $$$ on something I havent heard of, to end up with a couple of bytes on my PC... GIVE ME CD's!!! properly produced & engineered!
and that takes money!
and the only ones spending the money are record companies!

[Jamezo]

have you considered 'testing' music by downloading it P2P, before possibly purchasing a CD?

as for Metallica$h, www.larself.com ... mmmmmm lars is an elf...

can I reccomend that you check out www.guitarwar.com ?

this war just went public access, http://www.guitarwar.com/viewpublic.mw?war_id=YGM+O2JpYTQ=&war_name=war_melee

DL the track on the left for free, it's so cool. some dude wrote it about his aunt that died.

[Blakamin]

have you considered 'testing' music by downloading it P2P, before possibly purchasing a CD?

I sorta get all my music for nothing in this business (company pays for it, about 160 times)
p2p sux... you never get what you want, and the quality is shit! (did audio-engineering for a few years, hate crap bit-rates)
Nah... when and IF I find something new that i like, its normally thru a friend or a review from certain trusted sources on the net...

[Jamezo]

you know those paid audio download sites? are the files you get from that better quality than that of an identical bitrate ripped from a CD?

do they encode the mp3's from the original source? because I can't see the point of paying for something that was not better than a track ripped from CD.

you can generally find bitrates for any song P2P, of up to 300k, more than enough for my needs.

[Paul in NZ]

And you gotta tie them to a stake and stack faggots around them and then light the fire, the burning faggots dry the witches out so they can burn, that's the way you do 'em, money for nothing and the witch is free!! :doobey:

Now you are just being silly Scumdog...

I dunno about where you live but here in the civilised north we are not allowed to burn faggots any more... Besides, it would be hard to tie the witch TO the stake 'cos half the population (and some of the faggots) would be saying, 'Oh! That looks like fun! Hey, why does she get all the fun! I wanna be tied to the stake' Then they would be a riot while they tried to take the witches place and she could run away...

Ok. It's a stupid post but better than and argument about trivial music (the sort without banjos)

Paul N

into crap music

[Blakamin]

you know those paid audio download sites? are the files you get from that better quality than that of an identical bitrate ripped from a CD?

No


do they encode the mp3's from the original source? because I can't see the point of paying for something that was not better than a track ripped from CD.

from experience I've had with one company, they get supplied (from the record company) a decent MP3 or actual CD.... but most RC's supply a CD to the reseller and let them sort it out.... one worldwide company I have dealt with dont do mp3's at all


you can generally find bitrates for any song P2P, of up to 300k, more than enough for my needs.

I actually prefer Variable Bit Rates for my personal stuff....
And I hate dicking around with p2p networks, finding a complete song without being queued takes too long

I use irc for album testing

[jrandom]

Personally I enjoyed 'Stan' and 'Lose yourself' . Saying there is no rythmn in the music...I would say that eminem is all about cadence and rythmn...

Well, yes indeed.

You inadvertently highlight the main point, I think; Eminem's lyrics may well be politically astute and socially relevant, but ain't nobody gonna listen to them unless they got phat beats and catchy hooks going on behind.

In your abovementioned cases, Dido and Aerosmith did all the hard work.

And in the case of, say, 'My Name Is...' and 'The Real Slim Shady' the stuff that gets your foot tapping is the product of Dre's back-room beat factory. You think Eminem sweats long, hard hours over a keyboard and mixer?

Personally, I'm just happy to listen to whatever sounds good.

[scumdog]

Now you are just being silly Scumdog...

I dunno about where you live but here in the civilised north we are not allowed to burn faggots any more... Besides, it would be hard to tie the witch TO the stake 'cos half the population (and some of the faggots) would be saying, 'Oh! That looks like fun! Hey, why does she get all the fun! I wanna be tied to the stake' Then they would be a riot while they tried to take the witches place and she could run away...

Ok. It's a stupid post but better than and argument about trivial music (the sort without banjos)

Paul N

into crap music

Why don't you burn faggots up your way? what else CAN you do with lots of little twigs tied up in bundles? How DO you start your witch burnings? and yeah, couldn't resist it with the Dire Straights (mis)quote, got all carried away with this music business. :sly:

Besides SOMEBODY has to be silly so's the others know they're not :blink:
aNF YEAH

[Hitcher]

Personally I enjoyed 'Stan' and 'Lose yourself' . Saying there is no rythmn in the music...I would say that eminem is all about cadence and rythmn.
A lot of people are dismissive of poetry if it doesn't rhyme or conform to their expectation of "verse". Sigh.

[Paul in NZ]

Why don't you burn faggots up your way? what else CAN you do with lots of little twigs tied up in bundles? How DO you start your witch burnings? and yeah, couldn't resist it with the Dire Straights (mis)quote, got all carried away with this music business. :sly:

Besides SOMEBODY has to be silly so's the others know they're not :blink:
aNF YEAH

AH! Those faggots... Lotsa little twigs! Silly me I thought lotsa little twits tied together..

[duckman]

This sounds toooo much like...

Boy buys guitar ...
Boy learns a few chords...
Boy "finds" satriani, Vai e.t.c. ...
Boy suddenly has new big opinion on all that "other" shit music now that hes found the really stuff ...

Fuck off .... Don't you think that it's really just a matter of personal taste ??

I have a preference for rock/ska/punk but I like lot's of different styles including rap,hip hop, hard house, blues, anything but country, thats just for faggs .. (troll)


I dunno maybe I've eread ya wrong but it sounds like your just speiling crap to me. :finger:

[scroter]

Eminem is from a city with a predominantly black population, with hideous social issues. If Eminem is the "friendly" white face of rap then you haven't been listening or watching. Eminem is one of the foremost commentators of the injustices of both white trash and African American culture. Race isn't an issue with Eminem, but he reflects that values of a massive chunk of Urban white and African American youth. Ignore that little bit of info at your peril, because like it or not, the most diseased vagrant living in the shelter of a freeway underpass in the US has more political, military, and economic might to reinforce his/her "right" to be a bum than any other human being living or dead.

If we were to apply the standard NZ rule of consensus taking the day, your opinion is worth, oooo, about, well, nothing.

Pop back under a rock for twenty years and see if we "catch up" to your musical taste when you pop back out.

plus if you listen to him hes funny as hell. most of his songs are just taking the piss out of other musicians. i think some people cant get past the swearing though.

[scroter]

I think I come off pretty well in the 'corporate sponsorship' test, I have never paid for any kind of brand-name anything, the last time I bought a CD was when I was 9 or so.



when was the last time you bought some watties tomato sauce or ETA ripples etc. what kind of car do you drive. i think its kinda sad goin thru life, i cant have that cause some corporate seat warmer might make too much cash. personally i buy what i like.

[Jamezo]

This sounds toooo much like...

Boy buys guitar ...
Boy learns a few chords...
Boy "finds" satriani, Vai e.t.c. ...
Boy suddenly has new big opinion on all that "other" shit music now that hes found the really stuff ...

Fuck off .... Don't you think that it's really just a matter of personal taste ??

I have a preference for rock/ska/punk but I like lot's of different styles including rap,hip hop, hard house, blues, anything but country, thats just for faggs .. (troll)


I dunno maybe I've eread ya wrong but it sounds like your just speiling crap to me. :finger:

thank you for your eloquent and informed contribution to this thread. I suppose if you say so, I am just some n00b guitarist with a contrived musical opinion. I am amazed how well you can judge the skill of people you have never heard, you seem to have really hit the nail on the head with that one. george W bush is a very nice man, he is making the world a safer place for everyone!

[Jamezo]

when was the last time you bought some watties tomato sauce or ETA ripples etc. what kind of car do you drive. i think its kinda sad goin thru life, i cant have that cause some corporate seat warmer might make too much cash. personally i buy what i like.

I suggest you read scumdogs answer to this sort of reasoning, it made sense to me.

[Jamezo]

A lot of people are dismissive of poetry if it doesn't rhyme or conform to their expectation of "verse". Sigh.

I can see exactly what you are saying, you make an excellent point, but your average radio listener is not listening because they want their life changed by some insightful pseudo-meaning behind the song. mostly, the music is used as a background, a wallpaper for their life, not actively engaged in.

if any possible artistic value would be lost on the listener, why shouldn't this music be as musically amazing as possible?

[Hitcher]

why shouldn't this music be as musically amazing as possible?
I think you underestimate the power of three-chord rock and roll.

[bluninja]

A lot of people are dismissive of poetry if it doesn't rhyme or conform to their expectation of "verse". Sigh.

Phew I'm so glad I didn't propose that he was a modern poet :shutup:

[bluninja]

Well, yes indeed.

You inadvertently highlight the main point, I think; Eminem's lyrics may well be politically astute and socially relevant, but ain't nobody gonna listen to them unless they got phat beats and catchy hooks going on behind.

In your abovementioned cases, Dido and Aerosmith did all the hard work.



So did DIDO have her big success before or after Eminem had used her song on his track? Eminem is a bit like an engine tuner...he needs someone to have created the vehicle for him to tinker and add to.

[bluninja]

I'd say it would improve this country to really encourage people to play some kind of musical instrument, so they can gain a better appreciation of music, and free themselves from the disgusting embrace of 'popular' music and the sheep-ish-ness that it encourages. so many people think they are being 'different' and 'unique' by listening to rap, but it really is a homogenising factor. there is such an enormous variety of excellent music, enough to suit anybody's tastes, but by and large, the masses aren't interested in it, because they have little development of their musical ear, and so the quality of the music takes a back seat to other factors, like popularity and advertising, when deciding what they listen to.

I think you should steer away from being a lyricist if that punctuation is anything to go by :laugh:

Are you suggesting that not playing a musical instrument means that you can't appreciate 'real' music? Total bollox IMHO...but what would I know, I'm just a button pushing dot reader (a jazz violinists opinion on saxaphonists that read music).

[riffer]

I think you underestimate the power of three-chord rock and roll.


Hallelujah Hitcher...

I just knew you were a Ramones fan. :yes:

[James Deuce]

Hallelujah Hitcher...

I just knew you were a Ramones fan. :yes:

*Ramone* fan - I think there's only one left. From the original line up anyway.

[Hitcher]

*Ramone* fan - I think there's only one left. From the original line up anyway.
The Ramones don't hold the patent on good ole three-chord R&R...

ZZ Top
George Thoroughgood
Pete Seager
Led Zepplin
The Rolling Stones

And one or two others have made a reasonably good fist of this genre over the years.

[SPORK]

This sounds toooo much like...

Boy buys guitar ...
Boy learns a few chords...
Boy "finds" satriani, Vai e.t.c. ...
Boy suddenly has new big opinion on all that "other" shit music now that hes found the really stuff ...

Fuck off .... Don't you think that it's really just a matter of personal taste ??

I have a preference for rock/ska/punk but I like lot's of different styles including rap,hip hop, hard house, blues, anything but country, thats just for faggs .. (troll)


I dunno maybe I've eread ya wrong but it sounds like your just speiling crap to me. :finger:

Listen to his aformentioned self recorded music. As you obviously havn't, I would like to politely ask you to get your firmly wedged head out from your ass and actually listen to what you are judging. As Jamezo's brother, I recognize his rather amazing musical talent, which is something that you have neglected to do. Not a personal attack, but please, know what you are talking about. Maybe you would like to also read up on the Freedom of Speech, eh? :eek5:

[riffer]

The Ramones don't hold the patent on good ole three-chord R&R...

ZZ Top
George Thoroughgood
Pete Seager
Led Zepplin
The Rolling Stones

And one or two others have made a reasonably good fist of this genre over the years.


Pete Seager - the obscure folk singer (thanks Google) or maybe you mean Bob Seager and the Silver Bullet Band? Am I right?

I would say these are more R&B than R&R...

[Hitcher]

Pete Seager - the obscure folk singer (thanks Google) or maybe you mean Bob Seager and the Silver Bullet Band? Am I right?

I would say these are more R&B than R&R...
Ahem. It's late... And they're related, aren't they?

[bluninja]

Listen to his aformentioned self recorded music. As you obviously havn't, I would like to politely ask you to get your firmly wedged head out from your ass and actually listen to what you are judging. As Jamezo's brother, I recognize his rather amazing musical talent, which is something that you have neglected to do. Not a personal attack, but please, know what you are talking about. Maybe you would like to also read up on the Freedom of Speech, eh? :eek5:

So MAdcat...do you play an instrument? If not how do you recognize his amazing musical talent?

I think freedom of speech works for all, or none at all.

BTW I'm just playing with you....in case you hadn't worked it out :bash:

[HanaBelle]

Ahem. It's late... And they're related, aren't they?

They both got rhythm, mah friend.

[SPORK]

So MAdcat...do you play an instrument? If not how do you recognize his amazing musical talent?

I think freedom of speech works for all, or none at all.

BTW I'm just playing with you....in case you hadn't worked it out :bash:

Aye, and me too. It was late and I was in the mood for a troll before bed.

Yup, I also play guitar, and I would judge myself higher than the BoyWhoLearnsACoupleOfChords.

:moon: :msn-wink:

[jrandom]

So did DIDO have her big success before or after Eminem had used her song on his track?

Before.


Eminem is a bit like an engine tuner...he needs someone to have created the vehicle for him to tinker and add to.

Perhaps. Doesn't bother me much either way, but I'd rather listen to 'Dream On' than 'Sing for the Moment'.

[Blakamin]

Yup, I also play guitar, and I would judge myself higher than the BoyWhoLearnsACoupleOfChords.

:moon: :msn-wink:
Jeez... you must be good!.... i've been playing 18 years...and i'm still BoyWhoLearnsACoupleOfChords as far as I'm concerned



Quote:
Originally Posted by bluninja
So did DIDO have her big success before or after Eminem had used her song on his track?


Before.


shit... I'd never heard of her... :brick:

and everytime I'd hear "sing for the moment", I'd get pissed off that they weren't playing "Dream On"

aerosmith rule!

[Jamezo]

yep, it is my belief that playing an instrument helps musical appreciation greatly, and as for Led Zep being 3 chord rock and roll?!? I refuse to believe it! ;)

onya Blakamin, what kinda shizzle do you play?

side note: I downloaded sing for the moment when I was young and stupid...