Crash on Piecock hill (1 February)

[RantyDave]

Apparently there was a fatal crash on Piecock hill today.

http://stuff.co.nz/4384062a11.html

Not necessarily "one of ours", but as a chunk of road it certainly enjoys extracting it's toll. Also, I bet it'll be crawling with Rozzers for a few weeks. Anyway, watch it up there mmmkay?

Dave

[unrealone]

Hmm, I just went over the Piecock hill early tonight, must have been around 8ish. Didn't see anything so I imagine all was cleared :)

[riffer]

Damn. And it was such beautiful weather for riding today too.

She's a bad mistress that road.

RIP fellow rider.

[Clivoris]

She's a bad mistress that road.


So so true mate. It carries too much traffic driving like they have the whole road to play with, for my liking.

[chanceyy]

road was closed when I headed to the airport about 6ish

[Grub]

{hairs on neck standing up} I hate hearing that. I did the road out and back today at 11am because we hadn't cuddled for a couple of weeks. All was good then thank god.

It has it's traps, you have to know them.
- There's a couple of corners that always have gravel between the wheel tracks
- There's one right hand corner down in the gully coming south just after it turns to rough chip seal that has a drain excavation through it.
- Going north after summit there's an off-camber left with lots of bumps in it - just right for unsettling you
- Also in the gully going south where it is narrow and twisty, just before the 25kmh right hander there's a couple of lefts that have subsidence and rough endges mid-lane that could throw you.

That road in particular is one lovely bike track but you do need to know it and respect it. I still believe though that the greatest hazard is opposing traffic. Why? Because it doesn't matter how well you know the raod or how careful you are, on one trip in two you will see a car across the centreline.

[Disco Dan]

What the smeg is a Pie-Cock??:(

[MrMelon]

Sad to hear :(

[Str8 Jacket]

I heard a\bout it a bit earlier on and texted everyon I knew. Wasnt any of them. Im keeping my fongers crossed!

[Patch]

What the smeg is a Pie-Cock??:(

A pie with rooster meat. :pinch:



short version for Paekakariki Hill Road, Paekakariki, Kapiti Coast. A twisty, narrow road with a great view (at the top) over looking Kapiti Island.

Its actually a real bastard of a road to ride (quite dangerous due to its hazards), but some enjoy it - each to their own

[riffer]

What the smeg is a Pie-Cock??:(

Paekakariki - translated from the Maori means roughly "hill where the parrots hang out"

<img src = http://www.nzine.co.nz/images/articles/PaekakHill_lg.jpg>

Yes, its a technically challenging hill, and a few of us have fallen off on it. It has everything you could want for in a riding road, and more. And the views from the lookout are magnificent.

[roadracingoldfart]

Its a goat track as evidenced by the amount of goats you see on the road and if your on a bike and a cars is sharing it with you then be prepared to become a bonnet emblem.

I heard it was closed but i dont know details , if a life has been lost or an injury suffered its not at all good, sad news.

Paul.

[roadracingoldfart]

Hey Riffer ..... I can see my house from there :2thumbsup
Nice shot.

[kawasakizx10r]

to the family - our deepest sympathies.

[Patch]

It has everything you could want for in a riding road

ummm no.

No gorgeous scantily clad sheila's wandering around
No pie cart
No halfway coffee house
No speed humps


Just potholes, a dash of pea-metal (gravel) and fukwits crossing centre lines.


Can think of much better roads than that goat track.

[riffer]

ummm no.

No gorgeous scantily clad sheila's wandering around
No pie cart
No halfway coffee house
No speed humps


Just potholes, a dash of pea-metal (gravel) and fukwits crossing centre lines.


Can think of much better roads than that goat track.

distractions, distractions, distractions all.

I prefer to ride on roads, not stop.

With the notable exception of the fukwits (sic) I will have to agree to disagree with you there Patch.

But yes, the road is challenging, and its sad yet another biker's met his end there. I won't speculate but I see no mention in news reports about any other vehicle. Draw from that what you will.

[Patch]

distractions, distractions, distractions all.

I prefer to ride on roads, not stop.

With the notable exception of the fukwits (sic) I will have to agree to disagree with you there Patch.

But yes, the road is challenging, and its sad yet another biker's met his end there. I won't speculate but I see no mention in news reports about any other vehicle. Draw from that what you will.

ah, 'tis the joy of the journey my dear watson, a refreshing break at the end, and the fuel to start another



Still sad, another son/daughter being mourned.

[Her_C4]

Damn. And it was such beautiful weather for riding today too.

She's a bad mistress that road.

RIP fellow rider.

Huh? Where did the report state that there was a bike involved? :confused: Was there another report that I missed? :pinch:

[Dino]

.
Have to agree with Her_B4, I have done some searching and can not find much information.
I haven't found anywhere that says it was a bike, has anyone been able to find out any more information??

[RantyDave]

Huh? Where did the report state that there was a bike involved?
Yeah, umm, it didn't. Neither did I. I suppose it's a fair assumption to make, wot with this being a bikers site and all. Again, while the crash was not necessarily a bike, it is a fair reminder of what a nasty bit of tarmac it can be...

[Clivoris]

A friend with a police scanner called me when the accident occurred as it was apparently a black bike involved with 2-3 cars. Possibly a head-on collision. This is all speculation and must be treated as such.

[quallman1234]

....................

[Grub]

A Levin man died when his motorcycle collided with another vehicle on the Kapiti Coast yesterday.

The motorcyclist was travelling north on the Paekakariki Hill Road when he collided with a southbound vehicle then a bank at about 4pm, Sergeant Ron Walker of the Kapiti Mana strategic traffic unit said.

The rider, a 42-year-old man from Levin, died at the scene. His name was not yet being released.

The road was closed for about two and a half hours while police investigated the crash.

Any witnesses who had not yet spoken to police were asked to contact Mr Walker at either the Porirua or Kapiti police station.

Not good. Neither Sparkybills nor I can figure out where this happened as we can't find any paint marks on the road. I've just come back from an end-to-end ride in my new Spyke leathers (thanks Motomart!) and couldn't see any evidence.

Last night's news clip said 5km from Grays Rd which makes it about the middle of the road (11.1km long), probably in the gully.

[Katman]

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That road in particular is one lovely bike track but you do need to know it and respect it. I still believe though that the greatest hazard is opposing traffic. Why? Because it doesn't matter how well you know the raod or how careful you are, on one trip in two you will see a car across the centreline.

But of course there's never any motorcyclists that cross the centreline on that stretch.

[MSTRS]

is currently sulking in the Sin Bin

Because he can't seem to understand that he is not being funny, clever or helpful. And the above post continues to prove it.

[sweetp]

brother in law (who is in CVIU) said that it was a hyobusa rider from Levin. Over took a car and plowed straight into a bank.

[Hitcher]

Paekakariki - translated from the Maori means roughly "hill where the parrots hang out"

I thought it was "green pie"?

And has this fatality been attributed as a motorcyclist, before we get waist-deep into another RIP thread?

[DingoZ]

Yes Hitcher. Was indeed a Motorcyclist.

Basically at this stage > Bike overtaking two vehicles on blind corners - collided with oncoming car and then into a bank.

Family still being contacted - Witness's still being called for.. Details still being gathered..

[Hitcher]

Basically at this stage > Bike overtaking two vehicles on blind corners - collided with oncoming car and then into a bank.

Sigh. As ye sow, so shall ye reap.

[riffer]

I thought it was "green pie"?


Rechecked my sources (primarily H.M. Ngata).

Pae has many meanings, including:

horizontal, horizon, latitude, lie across, (meat) pie, ready for use, sit, sphere, (run) aground, (legal) bar and a few others.

Kakariki can be either green, parakeet or gecko.

So... its possible paekakariki could be pie green (remember adjective before noun in Maori) but my money is on it being a place the parekeets (not parrots sorry) hang out.

An old workplace (learning Media) has the Ngata Dictionary online (I have H.M. Ngata's English-Maori dictionary at home). You can read it here. (http://www.learningmedia.co.nz/ngata/)


Sigh. As ye sow, so shall ye reap.

We've all done it mate. There but for the grace of god go I...

[James Deuce]

We've all done it mate. There but for the grace of god go I...

Blind corner? Not once. Ever.

[RT527]

Because he can't seem to understand that he is not being funny, clever or helpful. And the above post continues to prove it.

Yeah but in this case he was possibly correct....

[MSTRS]

Yeah but in this case he was possibly correct....

Perhaps ...this time...but we are tired of his continually making out that every motorcycle crash/death is the biker's fault.
He needs to learn to keep his thoughts to himself in threads like this,..speculation and innuendo is never encouraged in 'aftermath' threads.

[Katman]

Perhaps ...this time...but we are tired of his continually making out that every motorcycle crash/death is the biker's fault.
He needs to learn to keep his thoughts to himself in threads like this,..speculation and innuendo is never encouraged in 'aftermath' threads.

I'll express my thoughts as I see fit until such times as the moderators call "enough". If you don't like it - stiff shit.

[Hitcher]

We've all done it mate. There but for the grace of god go I...

Not this biker. Never.

[riffer]

Possibly because you took up biking at a more mature age than I.

In my teen years I could have been mistaken for Skidmark unfortunately.

Nice to see there are others around with more self control than I used to have.

[DingoZ]

Not this biker. Never.

Same...Both for bike and in the cage....

[Meanie]

The wife and I went over this road and back on Saturday. Saw a couple with flowers heading towards some paint marks on the road side when we were heading south
When we returned we stopped at the top for a look, headed back down to find a car half on my side of the road cutting the corner, was a hell of a lot closer than i like then the same guy did the same thing to my wife who was behind me on her bike on the next corner
That has to be my worst fear riding those tight roads

[ital916]

I don't ever really overtake anyone lol unless they are going slower than 70/80 on the open road, R.I.P. Never overtake on a blind corner....there is a reason it's called a blind corner. Only time i ever overtake anything is when i can see for ages, otherwise i'm too nervous of whether a campervan/vehicle will suddenly materialise and mow me down.

[MSTRS]

....headed back down to find a car half on my side of the road cutting the corner, was a hell of a lot closer than i like then the same guy did the same thing to my wife who was behind me on her bike on the next corner
...

That prat obviously doesn't see a problem with it, and/or didn't get a fright when he took your space. Bet he would regale you with tales of how good a driver he is, never had a ticket, speed kills and all that crap. Bastards. Should be slow-roasted over hot coals.

[James Deuce]

It's standard for that particular road. You just have to be awake to the living fact that people in cars and SUVs will be on your side of the road from time to time.

[Bullitt]

It's standard for that particular road. You just have to be awake to the living fact that people in cars and SUVs will be on your side of the road from time to time.

Agreed.

On several occasions when Ive been riding with other people Ive met someone on my side of the road on a corner. When I got to the summit Ive mentioned it and someone else had had the same issue with the same car a few corners earlier or later.

[MSTRS]

It's standard for that particular road. You just have to be awake to the living fact that people in cars and SUVs will be on your side of the road from time to time.


Agreed.

On several occasions when Ive been riding with other people Ive met someone on my side of the road on a corner. When I got to the summit Ive mentioned it and someone else had had the same issue with the same car a few corners earlier or later.

Don't accept it. Isn't this an example of how the HP might actually do some good if they did a few blitzes on that road with their trick of taking photos of line-crossers?

[James Deuce]

The HP aren't after "unsafe" drivers on Paekak Hill Rd, they're after speeding motorcyclists.

You can't fix the problem. People have been educated that Speed, Drink, Seat belts, and now Drugs are the only issues on NZ's roads.

[MSTRS]

The HP aren't after "unsafe" drivers on Paekak Hill Rd, they're after speeding motorcyclists.

You can't fix the problem. People have been educated that Speed, Drink, Seat belts, and now Drugs are the only issues on NZ's roads.

Sad and pathetic, innit? Thinking is not required.

[Katman]

The HP aren't after "unsafe" drivers on Paekak Hill Rd, they're after speeding motorcyclists.

You can't fix the problem. People have been educated that Speed, Drink, Seat belts, and now Drugs are the only issues on NZ's roads.

Maybe one of the problems on that road (and countless others for that matter) is the number of motorcyclists who think they're Valentino Rossi.

[Beemer]

The story has been updated in today's Dominion Post and the rider has been named - http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominionpost/4385919a6479.html

We're from Levin but I must confess the name doesn't ring a bell, and I don't recall seeing many Hayabusas around here either, but it's still a sad loss to some family.

[MSTRS]

I'll express my thoughts as I see fit until such times as the moderators call "enough". If you don't like it - stiff shit.

Perseverance can be a good thing...but in your case :finger:

[Blue Velvet]

Don't accept it.

On that road you have to. Guaranteed that if you don't, on the next bend Murphy will present you with another fine example of why you need to.

[Lucy]

Blind corner? Not once. Ever.

Me neither. Been a passenger in a car where the driver did it, never again, even if I could.

[MSTRS]

On that road you have to. Guaranteed that if you don't, on the next bend Murphy will present you with another fine example of why you need to.

Oh I know. Must always ride with that as a possibility. But a road where it happens so regularly, surely it isn't right to just 'accept' it. There must be something that the HP can do?

[Hitcher]

A major problem on the Paekak Hill Road isn't speed as such, it's failure to keep left. Boy racers and kindy mums in SUVs being major offenders. Such drivers love cutting corners, or just ambling along with half their vehicle over the centre line, because they have no fucking idea how wide it is. They don't know how to reverse their SUV either, but that's another hobby horse...

I know: Transit could install a cheesecutter median barrier! Sometimes I amaze even myself with my brilliance.

[Blue Velvet]

Boy racers and kindy mums in SUVs being major offenders. Such drivers love cutting corners...

I don't find the boy racers as bad as others at failing to keep left. Perhaps the ones I've seen have more of an idea about the road and the kinds of drivers they're likely to encounter, and like their vehicles enough to keep on their own half...

[James Deuce]

I don't find the boy racers as bad as others at failing to keep left. Perhaps the ones I've seen have more of an idea about the road and the kinds of drivers they're likely to encounter, and like their vehicles enough to keep on their own half...

I've had my share of nasty moments with "drifters".

[Fatjim]

The Piecock road takes a consious effort to stay within your lane while driving at a reasonable speed for that road for the entire trip, its just that narrow at the strangest places. But the issue is not someones wheels hitting the white line, but having half of your vehicle in the left lane.

Every time I go through there I wish I had a forward facing camera. What amazes me is that people can drive through there like absolute Nanas, and still can't keep in there lane.

But the thing that pisses me of are those people who like to take it as a short cut, then drive at 50kph the whole way. Don't they know that the piecock road is actually slower at that speed

[Grub]

Boy racers and kindy mums in SUVs being major offenders.

They all seem to have a go. My time going north over the hill was 7-7.30am and every Hutt-bound tradie in the boss's vehicle would have a go. Their problem also being that they thought they were Good Drivers and could get away with it.

Anything with a ladder rack gets the hairs on my neck standing up.

[Grub]

Reading the DomPost article revealed an incident that we didn't appear to hear about over the weekend


" ... Another weekend crash on the road - when a young man broke his leg after coming off his small motorbike - prompted Mr Walker to call for caution in the area.

"It's a rural road. It's not designed for high speed," he said.
... "

[Paul in NZ]

Personally - I love that road but I've really slowed down over the last few years because of the oncoming traffic - its a nasty feeling watching that much steel (from an oncoming car) slip under your elbow.... and I still remeber riding home with Sels1 and watching the front tyre of mr wannabeboyracer rolling off the rim as he tried to hold his car on his side of the road as we met at the apex - if he had failed I would not be typing this - stupid prick.

But - everywheres the same - some people are so damned aggressive, knife, words, car it matters not to them..

[RT527]

Oh I know. Must always ride with that as a possibility. But a road where it happens so regularly, surely it isn't right to just 'accept' it. There must be something that the HP can do?

There is....their Job for One....If they were really out to protect us then they wouldnt concentrate on revenue gathering exercises like speed traps/camera vans,(and Any Hp`s that try to say theres no revenue gathering, just remember I know your full of shit).
Ive seen plenty of illegal driving habits get ignored , when all of a sudden some bozo, granted he was speeding, however he wasnt driving eratically or slow like the other person was (I guesstemate around the 60-65 on the open road with around 25 vehicles behind them)....possible drunk,however guess who he picked on.....( and no I wasnt the speeding driver).


Go Figure.

[marty]

The HP aren't after "unsafe" drivers on Paekak Hill Rd, they're after speeding motorcyclists.


To be a pedant, HP wouldn't be patrolling The Hill, as it is not a state highway, and they are funded primarily to patrol those black tops.

The Hill will (should) be patrolled by STU units.

[Hitcher]

To be a pedant, HP wouldn't be patrolling The Hill, as it is not a state highway, and they are funded primarily to patrol those black tops.

The Hill will (should) be patrolled by STU units.

The Police Highway Patrol patrols the Hill and its lower reaches to Pauatahanui. Repeatedly and often. Go and park up anywhere along there and see for yourself.

[merv]

The Police Highway Patrol patrols the Hill and its lower reaches to Pauatahanui. Repeatedly and often. Go and park up anywhere along there and see for yourself.

Yep and seeing this is my local I go there often and with the proximity to the Police College there are often trainees out on the road too.

[yungatart]

Blind corner? Not once. Ever.


Not this biker. Never.


Same...Both for bike and in the cage....

And me makes four!

[riffer]

And me makes four!

Excellent. So it looks like only SkidMark and me have done stupid stuff when we were teenagers.

I'm not concerned. I don't do it now.

Sorry I'm not perfect. :(

[merv]

Sorry I'm not perfect. :(

Mate you're still alive, so maybe you've made sure its the difference between taking uncontrolled risks and calculated risk taking.

[cowboyz]

Excellent. So it looks like only SkidMark and me have done stupid stuff when we were teenagers.

I'm not concerned. I don't do it now.

Sorry I'm not perfect. :(

it is not about being perfect.

Have you ever looked at a fire and thought "fuck that looks hot" and then put your toungue in it to find out?

That is about skiddys mentality. Like I said. Its not about being perfect.

Wrong side on a blind corner is a big no. Reward does not even come close to the risk.

[Patch]

Excellent. So it looks like only SkidMark and me have done stupid stuff when we were teenagers.

I'm not concerned. I don't do it now.

Sorry I'm not perfect. :(

Quite the contrary my dear Watson. So of us don't publicise it on a public forum, or spend most of our free time else where (not talking shit behind a comp screen - referring to wheelie's being big, boozers etc)

They probably have done something unsafe or stupid - just never realised it, or too weak to admit it.


Believe it or not - there are those that ride poorer than Mr. Auckland, he may change with time, age, growing up etc, these others may not - sad isn't it?

[James Deuce]

FFS I never said I was perfect. I don't overtake on blind corners. Is that OK with you Mr Patch?

[DingoZ]

FFS I never said I was perfect. I don't overtake on blind corners. Is that OK with you Mr Patch?

Agreed and Damm youre quick.....Beat me to posting.

When did this become a personal attack on someone doing "stupid shit".

People were simply pointing out that they "Don't overtake on blind corners"

And so far this thread has generated some really good points.

Please lets not get to the point of comparing anything in this thread to "SkidMark".

[MSTRS]

Please lets not get to the point of comparing anything in this thread to "SkidMark".

Any comparison will either come up short, or end up in a 6' box...

[Pex Adams]

Everyone Settle here....

A brother has died. We don't know the facts and people we possibly know are grieving!

So sort your shit out in another forum.

RIP Darrell.

[Fatjim]

Like Lynda?

[Pex Adams]

Nah.. She didn't even know about it till this morning

[GazzaRuney]

It was a guy on a 1300 Suzuki (a Busa?) I think, overtaking two cars before a corner and phuckt it up - head on into a car full of tourists -(who were on the RIGHT ((correct)) side of the road for a change)

Yes, we've lost another brother - but ride like a twat - you hit things !!!!!!!!!!

[jcupit69]

Love pikok road, hate the way some people drive it.

Been up their many times and seen cars coming round corners in my lane!!! Was following a 4x4 along there the other day (waiting for my mate on a 150 suzuki) and virtually every corner this guy took he went over the center line.

First day i picked up my new bike i felt like a detour along pikok hill road and some muppet in a celica had lost it in a corner (just after the lookout heading down to pikok) and flipped his car about 30secs b4 i got there. Every1 was ok, but the guy was lucky he didnt hit ne1 or go over the edge, and all cus he was trying to drive fast threw a corner, prick.

Also i was sitting at the pikok cafe on a saturday not to long back and seen 3 highway patrol cars head up there, safe to say i took the motorway home.

Its an absolutly grate road, but some people (cars and bikes) just go a lil 2 quick on it. Personally i prefer the tukas, just for the people not crossing the center line (or at least i havnt seen as many anyways) and the slightly more open corners, although iv encounterd afew pricks in cages on that road 2.....god we need a nuremburg track here in NZ.

[sels1]

and I still remeber riding home with Sels1 and watching the front tyre of mr wannabeboyracer rolling off the rim as he tried to hold his car on his side of the road as we met at the apex ..

I still clearly remember seeing that tyre peeling off the rim, dont know how it didnt let go - not our time eh?

And I too love that bit of road, ride it most weeks. Its really neat on a moonlit night (eg when returning from TCWNR!)
Its challenging (esp during commuter times), and you need to ride defensively
Unfortunately the rider in question didnt - and that can happen on any road.
RIP

[Sparky Bills]

I ride with a Busa most mornings over the hill. Hes an older guy too. Never actually stopped and talked (and he has never once waved or noded to me). Thats the only busa I know of that commutes on the hill.

RIP...

[riffer]

Damn damn damn.

I just found out that Darrell is one of my wife's best friends brothers.

I've met him a number of times filling up at the Fergusson Drive Caltex in Upper Hutt and at Rosina's house - he had one of those Silver Yamaha tourers with the swingarm front wheel.

He's my age, with 2 kids - he just bought a new house with his wife and she doesn't know what she's going to do - the whole family are so in shock right now and thank goodness they're close and have their faith at the moment cause they've got fuck all else.

I've just been given the third degree about my riding. Darell rode that hill every day and has done for years. He should have known it like the back of his hand - and it looks like he's paid the price for the contempt brought about by familiarity on that road.

I'm gutted.

[Meanie]

Sorry to hear that, sucks big time eh
Pass on sympathy to the family