Mods and requirements

[Vapor]

Hey All,

Looking for some advice again. :)

I have now ordered a K&N Filter and Micron Slip-on for my New GSXR 600 I pickup on the 11th of Feb, just wondering if with just adding a filter and slip-on, whether you need to get a power commander or something?

The guys at the shop said that you don't need one as they will plug into the stock Suzuki comp and adjust it for the better airflow requirement with those two parts. My question also is, at what stage does it justify buying a power commander or similar?

Cheers all.

Vapor

[Pussy]

Hey All,

Looking for some advice again. :)

I have now ordered a K&N Filter and Micron Slip-on for my New GSXR 600 I pickup on the 11th of Feb, just wondering if with just adding a filter and slip-on, whether you need to get a power commander or something?

The guys at the shop said that you don't need one as they will plug into the stock Suzuki comp and adjust it for the better airflow requirement with those two parts. My question also is, at what stage does it justify buying a power commander or similar?

Cheers all.

Vapor

If you've got the coin, Vapor, a Power Commander with a proper made-for-your-bike custom map is the way to go. I've had p/cs on two bikes in the past, and had Gary Pendleton custom map them. VERY thrilled with the results

[Vapor]

Whats the usual retail price of them? Also, would you notice any difference riding the bike with and without the Power Commander? With the two mods I mentioned above?

[Pussy]

Whats the usual retail price of them? Also, would you notice any difference riding the bike with and without the Power Commander? With the two mods I mentioned above?

Roughly, all up it will cost $1100-1200 for the p/c and a custom map. The bike will run fine without it, but will make a very noticeable difference with it. I've had a K5 SV650s and a K4 GSX-R1000 fitted and custom mapped with them. the change is night and day.... very nice fuelling, with the bonus of better fuel consumption. The pc is mapped for 10 different throttle positions every 250rpm, makes it very precise

[Vapor]

Thanks for the reply :)

Will there still be improvements over stock by having the K&N and Micron even without the P/C?

Its a little bit out of the price range, will probably be added to the list of future upgrades, is it still worth getting the filter and pipe without having a P/C?

Thanks again

Vapor

[Pussy]

Thanks for the reply :)

Will there still be improvements over stock by having the K&N and Micron even without the P/C?

Its a little bit out of the price range, will probably be added to the list of future upgrades, is it still worth getting the filter and pipe without having a P/C?

Thanks again

Vapor

The K&N won't make any performance difference, but has the advantage of being reusable. Pipe?, may get a performance increase(lets it breathe a bit better). I say go for it. I've left the stock muffler on mine for the time being, have considered the Akrapovic shorty muffler, same noise output( 102dB) as stock

[mynameis]

Hey dude,

What I'd actually do is get the bike ride it as it is stock standard and break it in properly and ride some more before I'd chuck the micron and K&N.

Not because it would make hell of a lot of difference but just so you get a feel for it and what it's like stock and then after the micron.

Ya get what I am saying, but each to their own. Do some track days as well.

[Vapor]

Yeah, the Micron won't actually arrive in NZ for another 4-6 weeks, so I will be getting the bike stock anyways :), Might aswell put the K&N in straight away as from what I hear, that won't make much difference anyhow.

[Vapor]

hmm, I have just found this on ebay, it seems alot cheaper.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/06-07-Suzuki-GSXR-600-Power-Commander-Free-Mapping_W0QQitemZ200195878179QQihZ010QQcategoryZ35 597QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

And that is with them setting it up according to mods on the bike.

That is alot cheaper than $1000 or upwards, am I missing something?

"Edit - Just noticed that it hasnt met reserve yet, but these guys Fuelmoto are a shop"

[Pussy]

The power commander itself is approx $600-700, with roughly $500 for the dyno time to custom map it. The maps that dynojet supply don't take NZ fuel in to account, and no two bikes are EXACTLY the same anyway. Also, if your overseas bought power commander packs up (they have been known to), there is no local backup

My .02c worth, anyway

[TripleZee Dyno]

hmm, I have just found this on ebay, it seems alot cheaper.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/06-07-Suzuki-GSXR-600-Power-Commander-Free-Mapping_W0QQitemZ200195878179QQihZ010QQcategoryZ35 597QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

And that is with them setting it up according to mods on the bike.

That is alot cheaper than $1000 or upwards, am I missing something?

"Edit - Just noticed that it hasnt met reserve yet, but these guys Fuelmoto are a shop"

Hi
dont get suckered in by the ad!!
They CANNOT set up a pc to suit your bike without having your bike.
What they will do is load a generic map which they have probably got from dynojet or done themselves. (You can do this yourself, dynojet have a swag of downloadable maps available)
Better than nothing but it certainly wont be optimum for your bike.
Do you even need a PC? Not really.
Sounds like the guys you are getting your bike from have a Teka tuner or Suzuki tuner. If so, they can adjust the factory ecu maps without the expense of a PC.
The most cost effective and best performance options for you
Dyno tune using a Teka Tuner. About $400
Dynotune + a pc $900-$1100
pc with a generic map $5-600 (so so performance)
Teka Tune, free with the bike? (so so performance)
Who has a Teka tuner? I do (surprise!), Ray Clee, 'someone' said Colemans, Ray and I have dynos, other than that you will have to ring around.

And dont let anyone bs you and say you MUST have a pc!!

disclaimer??
while I would like to have your business it isnt the reason I have replied to this thread.
One of my pet hates is the misinformation, disinformation and half truths that surround tuning and the like, all designed to part you from your money.
I make more money from selling a pc and a dynotune than I do from a teka and a dynotune, but if you dont NEED a pc I will say so. If you still want one fair enough, I will sell you as many as you like!

cheers

[mynameis]

Yeah, the Micron won't actually arrive in NZ for another 4-6 weeks, so I will be getting the bike stock anyways :), Might aswell put the K&N in straight away as from what I hear, that won't make much difference anyhow.

Yeah good on ya! Don't rush into blinging your machine up ASAP bro. Take your time with it do things slowly as needed get a feel for it, i.e. as you do mods you'd ride and get a feel for it.

That way you'll learn more and appreciate it more and better understand how your bike works with mods. Just the way I'd do it, my 1c worth :)

[forkoil]

Yeah, the Micron won't actually arrive in NZ for another 4-6 weeks, so I will be getting the bike stock anyways :), Might aswell put the K&N in straight away as from what I hear, that won't make much difference anyhow.
Snap. I'm doing the same thing, gsxr600k7 new micron can and k&n filter, thru Holeshot, and they have micron cans in stock, bought mine today, pick up all complete on Friday. Interesting about the tuning info tho???

[dipshit]

The K&N won't make any performance difference, but has the advantage of being reusable.

That can also be a disadvantage on a EFI motor if it is a filter that requires oiling after washing. A small build up of oil on your airflow sensor and so on is not good.

It just isn't worth it for no real gain anyhow. Stick with stock.

[Pussy]

That can also be a disadvantage on a EFI motor if it is a filter that requires oiling after washing. A small build up of oil on your airflow sensor and so on is not good.

It just isn't worth it for no real gain anyhow. Stick with stock.

I will agree with that!

[dipshit]

Do any bikes actually run airflow sensors?

I'm not sure actually. Surely they have some way of reading airflow?

Oiled air filters can be a problem in EFI cars though. I would do my homework very carefully before putting one on a GSX-R.

[Pussy]

Do any bikes actually run airflow sensors?

Yep, EFI gixxers have intake air pressure and temperature sensors

[TripleZee Dyno]

I'm not sure actually. Surely they have some way of reading airflow?

Oiled air filters can be a problem in EFI cars though. I would do my homework very carefully before putting one on a GSX-R.
I presume you are talking about 'hotwire' MAF sensors which are used in many autos. Oil on those definitely doesnt help.
Not used on bikes, pretty much most bikes have tables which are corrected for temperature and pressure.
New generation bike EFI are using O2 sensors to control the correction factors.
So on a bike oiled filters are normally not a problem.
cheers

[dipshit]

Thanks for that.

BTW, do you know of any workshop in the south island that has a Teka SFI?

[TripleZee Dyno]

Thanks for that.

BTW, do you know of any workshop in the south island that has a Teka SFI?
Sorry I dont off hand. They are Suzuki specific so try anyone who specializes in Suzuki. I will ask someone who may know and get back to you.
cheers

[Pussy]

Fair enough, imdying! As mentioned earlier, the only advantage of a K&N is it's reusability. Stock filters on gixxers flow pretty good

[AllanB]

Thanks for that.

BTW, do you know of any workshop in the south island that has a Teka SFI?


I understand Sportzone Suzuki in CHCH recently spent bucks on somrthing that will allow them to remap the stock systems - no need for PC.

Ashburton Honda have a full dyno set-up and will tune anything.

http://www.hondacountry.co.nz/cms/dynoworx.html

[Teflon]

I recommend these guys:

http://store.58cycle.com/default.asp

I ordered a full Muzzy system through them. Arrived at my door step in five days ( delayed in Sydney ).

[TripleZee Dyno]

Hi
dont get suckered in by the ad!!
They CANNOT set up a pc to suit your bike without having your bike.
What they will do is load a generic map which they have probably got from dynojet or done themselves. (You can do this yourself, dynojet have a swag of downloadable maps available)
Better than nothing but it certainly wont be optimum for your bike.
Do you even need a PC? Not really.
Sounds like the guys you are getting your bike from have a Teka tuner or Suzuki tuner. If so, they can adjust the factory ecu maps without the expense of a PC.
The most cost effective and best performance options for you
Dyno tune using a Teka Tuner. About $400
Dynotune + a pc $900-$1100
pc with a generic map $5-600 (so so performance)
Teka Tune, free with the bike? (so so performance)
Who has a Teka tuner? I do (surprise!), Ray Clee, 'someone' said Colemans, Ray and I have dynos, other than that you will have to ring around.

And dont let anyone bs you and say you MUST have a pc!!

cheers
I put the wrong info re dyno charges
A tekatune on the dyno is about 250
Tune a pc on the dyno is about 400

cheers