Running out of lean

[skidMark]

I have a problem...i can hang off my bike like mad and still i'm scraping fairings...and alternator cover while riding.... both at the track and on the road.....and levering off the alternator cover is not good.... means rear goes on an adventure.

i am hanging off as much as i can. Trying to minimalise how much i'm leaning the bike over.

in my signature pic below is a bad example...and the only pic as it was in early laps of the first session....i have scraped my arse on the ground before. so when i am right off....my knee of my outside leg is on the edge of the seat hanging right off...

i have done the whole try kiss ya mirror thing also.

what can i do...

do i need a bigger bike...

is the 250 just not meant for this?

i am 6 foot tall.

around taupo through some of the corners....my knee is down and the inside of my leg is hard against fairing the bike is laying on me. and i am scraping my fairing and alternator cover.... heres a pic after beign on the track....i had just painted the fairing too :bye:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=74510&d=1193565429

this is not some wank wank i'm the man post it's a serious question that i need help with. As i want to get faster. Any help would be appreciated.

i can't ride the bike at the moment as the engine is buggered.

[FROSTY]

It doesn't matter . You don't have a licence or a race licence so you wont be riding for ages anyhow.

[marty]

Who would have thought that in these days of 2% unemployent, some losers STILL can't get a job

[skidMark]

It doesn't matter . You don't have a licence or a race licence so you wont be riding for ages anyhow.

I have a race license and will be at trackday 7 :rockon:


Who would have thought that in these days of 2% unemployent, some losers STILL can't get a job


Relevant how?

[Swoop]

Eat more pies.

[kiwifruit]

poked suspension?
get it decked out in Penske gear from Shaun :yes:

[Devil]

poked suspension?
get it decked out in Penske gear from Shaun :yes:

What he said.

[skidMark]

yeah suspension could do with some work....

but i'm still running outta lean..... is it justy the bikes limits or what because i'm still about 4 seconds off a winning laptime to win streetstock....

i need 1:57's and i'm getting 2 min flats and 2 min 2 second laps....

so it's really not gunna cut it i just can't figure out what i'm doing wrong.

[yod]

:laugh:

:corn:

[Devil]

yeah suspension could do with some work....

but i'm still running outta lean.....

Stop.

Brain on.

You're getting into a corner, the suspension is compressing with the weight of the bike, and the centripetal force due to cornering. This effectively lowers the ride height of the bike, making things scrape.

Fix the suspension so the ride height stays more constant and hey presto, nothing scraping.

[kiwifruit]

Stop.

Brain on.

You're getting into a corner, the suspension is compressing with the weight of the bike, and the centripetal force due to cornering. This effectively lowers the ride height of the bike, making things scrape.

Fix the suspension so the ride height stays more constant and hey presto, nothing scraping.

what he said

[enigma51]

what he said

no no no what you said

skid stop wasting time

[FilthyLuka]

get a job, get some suspension shinies, go faster

three easy steps to shaving seconds off your lap time

[Wheeliemonsta]

I have a problem...i can hang off my bike like mad and still i'm scraping fairings...and alternator cover while riding.... both at the track and on the road.....and levering off the alternator cover is not good.... means rear goes on an adventure.

i am hanging off as much as i can. Trying to minimalise how much i'm leaning the bike over.

in my signature pic below is a bad example...and the only pic as it was in early laps of the first session....i have scraped my arse on the ground before. so when i am right off....my knee of my outside leg is on the edge of the seat hanging right off...

i have done the whole try kiss ya mirror thing also.

what can i do...

do i need a bigger bike...

is the 250 just not meant for this?

i am 6 foot tall.

around taupo through some of the corners....my knee is down and the inside of my leg is hard against fairing the bike is laying on me. and i am scraping my fairing and alternator cover.... heres a pic after beign on the track....i had just painted the fairing too :bye:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=74510&d=1193565429

this is not some wank wank i'm the man post it's a serious question that i need help with. As i want to get faster. Any help would be appreciated.

i can't ride the bike at the moment as the engine is buggered.

With all due respect, if indeed, there is any due & after having seen some of your other posts / wastes of space, I wish to say this & only this:

"YOU APPEAR TO BE THE BLOODY EXPERT ~ YOU FIGURE IT OUT..."

Cheers

:rockon:

[mxracer_nz]

ever thought that 3 seconds may be from you braking to early and getting on the gas too late? just because your "leaning" doesnt mean shit if your braking to early

[Finn]

i am hanging off as much as i can. Trying to minimalise how much i'm leaning the bike over.

Try this... next time you're on the lean limit, grab a handful of front brake with WOT, thus freeing up the load on the rear suspension. You'll find the bike will naturally lean much further.

Thank me later. :ride:

[enigma51]

Try this... next time you're on the lean limit, grab a handful of front brake with WOT, thus freeing up the load on the rear suspension. You'll find the bike will naturally lean much further.

Thank me later. :ride:

what he said

[FROSTY]

Ok you did ask.
1)what Devil said re suspension -except thats a cop out you arent good enough to use.
2) you have one mouth and two ears --figure out why!!
You were offered some good advice at TD6 but chose not to listen.
3) you are the most erratic rider I have seen at a track day. Basicly you dont need all that lean angle you are worried about.--its the erratic nature of your riding you need to work on.

On that basis do the following
1) throw the fucking stopwatch as far away as you possibly can.
2) STOP trying to beat other people -its counter productive to trying to beat THE TRACK which is what you need to do..
3) every session SLOW DOWN-Tell yourself to do so.
Now you can focus on one or two corners round the track.
Get a good line in,turn smoothly, get a good driving line out.
DO NOT try to go fast-- focus on SMOOTH and consistant.
If you CAN't figure out a particular corner then focus on another one. Come back in at end of session and SHUT THE FUCK UP-Go to the pit wall and watch people on similar bikes to yours -see how they tackle that corner.
I bet you $100 if you do that you will end up not scraping ya bike so much and you once you finally--many sessions later grab that stopwatch again go a fair bit faster.

[jrandom]

What Frosty said.

Not that you're going to listen, and not that it matters, because you'll have forgotten it entirely by the time you eventually get a bike to ride...

:no:

[onearmedbandit]

Heard tales of riders on touring bikes out-cornering sportsbikes that are fully scraping before. Generally turns out the touring bike rider is an ex-racer or similar, who actually knows about how to set a bike up for a corner. Not just chuck the thing in at the last minute. As Frosty said Mark, listen to advice given to you.

[scracha]

I have a problem...i can hang off my bike like mad and I'm still not scraping fairings.....nor alternator cover whilst riding......both at the track and on the road.......and blah blah blah......can someone give my rear an adventure.

<---snip--->

i have scraped my arse on the ground before so please be gentle with me.

i have done the whole try kiss my own ass thing also.

I don't really want anybody's advice either....I know it all already. I haven't thought of following the fast streetstock bikes around the track cos they don't lean over as much as me so they must be slow. Besides, they don't have USD forks. :spanking:

As I do this sort of thing on the road it's maybe time I wrote my will.

[Crasherfromwayback]

yeah suspension could do with some work....

but i'm still running outta lean..... is it justy the bikes limits or what because i'm still about 4 seconds off a winning laptime to win streetstock....

i need 1:57's and i'm getting 2 min flats and 2 min 2 second laps....

so it's really not gunna cut it i just can't figure out what i'm doing wrong.

You're obviously riding like a homo.

[scracha]

It doesn't matter . You don't have a licence or a race licence so you wont be riding for ages anyhow.

I think he should go out and buy a GSXR1000. He's way too quick for his 250

[Kittyhawk]

Mark, what is it that you are trying to prove here? Soemthing for yourself or to others?

You are more than a capable rider, however you need to learn how to control the throttle, attitude and consideration for others on the track.

Why waste your time worrying about what that fucked up zxr can do? its over....

If you are serious about racing you'd do what I do, throw away the bikes, give up road riding because you are putting others at risk with your style, and start again from scratch.

Sure I can get my knee down on 600's thrash the shit outa them and ruin them mechanically...But I gave up road riding...

Im taking my style of stupidity to the track, just bought an FXR 150 (such a downgrade :angry: from my 600) But I want to develop my track riding, master my lines, and improve my riding skills in a different environment...but why? Only for myself because my road riding is too dangerous I have a thirst for speed and need to find a new adrenline fix.

[motorbyclist]

well, some very good advice there, so listen to it. brake later, gas harder, get better lines (so basically learn how to ride faster/properly) and stiffen your suspension up for the track seeing as you won't be on the road for a while

of course getting a bigger bike would help if it still qualified for the same class, but riding is only 10% bike and 90% rider

have fun

[yod]

....



:corn:

[motorbyclist]

just bought an FXR 150 (such a downgrade :angry: from my 600) But I want to develop my track riding, master my lines, and improve my riding skills in a different environment...but why? Only for myself because my road riding is too dangerous I have a thirst for speed and need to find a new adrenline fix.

haha, those fxr150s can still go pretty quick round the corners if you thrash them the right way

downgrading while i repaint my NC30 is probably all that's stood between me and serious injury/lixcence loss these last few months, and i know i'm becoming a better rider too

[Mr Skid]

3) you are the most erratic rider I have seen at a track day. Have you forgotten about Mr Skid and the CBR250 triple R Moto-X Spec? :spudwave:

[skidMark]

Stop.

Brain on.

You're getting into a corner, the suspension is compressing with the weight of the bike, and the centripetal force due to cornering. This effectively lowers the ride height of the bike, making things scrape.

Fix the suspension so the ride height stays more constant and hey presto, nothing scraping.

Ok so i do that.... but i will still keep leaning until i run out of lean, so how can i be faster beyond that, it's not the scraping i couldnt care less it's once i'm right over i'm at the limits of the bikes cornering...so even if raised up...yes i will corner faster and be able to lean more...but i will push the lean until i'm scraping again, then what do i do?

upgrade the bike?, i'm just wondering if 250's do not get over to the same lean angles as a very modern 600? , being fully serious not trying to stir.


ever thought that 3 seconds may be from you braking to early and getting on the gas too late? just because your "leaning" doesnt mean shit if your braking to early

Yeah true i do need alot of practise tracktime wise but i want every advantage i can get.

[skidMark]

Ok you did ask.
1)what Devil said re suspension -except thats a cop out you arent good enough to use.
2) you have one mouth and two ears --figure out why!!
You were offered some good advice at TD6 but chose not to listen.
3) you are the most erratic rider I have seen at a track day. Basicly you dont need all that lean angle you are worried about.--its the erratic nature of your riding you need to work on.

On that basis do the following
1) throw the fucking stopwatch as far away as you possibly can.
2) STOP trying to beat other people -its counter productive to trying to beat THE TRACK which is what you need to do..
3) every session SLOW DOWN-Tell yourself to do so.
Now you can focus on one or two corners round the track.
Get a good line in,turn smoothly, get a good driving line out.
DO NOT try to go fast-- focus on SMOOTH and consistant.
If you CAN't figure out a particular corner then focus on another one. Come back in at end of session and SHUT THE FUCK UP-Go to the pit wall and watch people on similar bikes to yours -see how they tackle that corner.
I bet you $100 if you do that you will end up not scraping ya bike so much and you once you finally--many sessions later grab that stopwatch again go a fair bit faster.


Thanks for all that advice frosty i will put it into practise :niceone:

at td6 i did take in a fair bit of advice which helped alot....Nicky and glen williams teaching me the line round the track was awesome and helped heaps....

and you told me to stop being a sissy and hang off, before i knew it i was getting knee down.

cheers for the help you guys it's appreciated greatly :niceone:

Skid

[Mr Skid]

i will push the lean until i'm scraping again, then what do i do? Then you fall on your arse. :banana:

[Leong]

ever thought that 3 seconds may be from you braking to early and getting on the gas too late? just because your "leaning" doesnt mean shit if your braking to early

+1
Doesn't answer your question but is very true!!

[MVnut]

1/By the sound of it you have been talking about one track (Taupo ??) so before you throw that stopwatch into the distance; sit on your bike, or somewhere comfy, and lap the circuit in your mind, going only by the reference points you remember. You should be lapping at the same time as you do on the track, consistently, if not your main objective should be to relearn the track. 2/Suspension, go see Shaun, 3/When you improve, there are other riding techniques to gain more ground clearance.......but believe me you're not up to that yet, 4/ Frosty gives good advice and is one of the most helpful people you will ever meet, respect what he says:wari:

[onearmedbandit]

Listen to this guy Mark, he knows his shit.

[yod]

....


:corn:

[quallman1234]

Serious question - How far away you braking into the corner?

Like are you still on yer brakes quite far into the corner?

Me thinks your taking to much of a tight line, hence more lean and a slower corner speed and a slow run out of the corner. - Explaining why your not getting Streetstock times yet.

Streetstock aint that fast you should be in the top 5-6 simply because your on the ZXR. At least with the RG's You learn to race properly.

If you wanna win streetstock, your doing the right thing by staying on the ZXR, But if you actually wanna learn something about racing jump on an RG or better yet a KRR150. Glen managed to win a nat round at ruapana on a KRR. - I was looking at a KRR before i got the RG's too bad i missed out on it :(.

[Buddy L]

First mark you have time on your hands, sort the shocks out on the bike and get them working well, i have sat on your 250 and boy does the shocks need a rebuild. Just this alone will improve your times and you will get alot more feed back from the track, will also improve your breaking aswell.
Drop me a Pm, i can help rebuild the fronts, done a couple times for my zxr250.

[cowboyz]

might want to put some oil in that there ngin first.

muppet.

[GSVR]

Your a legend Mark I don't know of anyone on here thats gets as much interest shown in their posts as you. Without you KB would be nothing.

For others that wanna be like Mark I suggest you try this product...

[Maki]

yeah suspension could do with some work....

but i'm still running outta lean..... is it justy the bikes limits or what because i'm still about 4 seconds off a winning laptime to win streetstock....

i need 1:57's and i'm getting 2 min flats and 2 min 2 second laps....

so it's really not gunna cut it i just can't figure out what i'm doing wrong.

If you are leaning more than someone who goes around the corners faster than you, then they must be using a BETTER LINE. Try to figure out the best lines through the corners. If you are getting slower lap time it could be because you are down on power, you get on the throttle later than they do out of corners and you might be braking too soon.

[FROSTY]

Maki--read my post-dude-- I said the same thing

[Maki]

Sorry, im just too lazy. You made a good point :apint:

[Expert]

Mark,
If you need somebody to explain it to you, you will probably never understand.

Give up this crazy infatuation with motorcycles and get a jetski, all tossers ride jetski's.

[Chrislost]

Ok so i do that.... but i will still keep leaning until i run out of lean, so how can i be faster beyond that, it's not the scraping i couldnt care less it's once i'm right over i'm at the limits of the bikes cornering...


huh! you jsut dont fookn get it do you!
go buy a 400 racebike off trademe, then go to the track and just fuck around(you will probably be faster)

or if you want to waste yer hard earned money...
-get suspension, then you will max out them tyres before you get near scraping anything again.
-get a licence, im pretty sure you need them for trackdays.
-dont be a pussy when people tell you to come to the track and use suck excuses as "i don't have a bike" or "i dont have money" or...



AND
just remember, leaning the bike is wayyyy more important then carrying corner speed...

[DEATH_INC.]

Look at lines, If I can get BB's ZX14 round taupo at full pace without scraping shit, you can on a 2fiddy. Smoother = less lean.
Get yer top half off the side, not ya butt. You should be scraping yer elbow, not yer ass. Your whole helmet needs to be outside the fairing, you've got long arms, use 'em.
The trick to riding fast consistently is smoothness, nothing else. Work with the bike, not against it. Slow down a little and take a look at ya riding style, work out where and why you are scraping, even get someone to video ya. Then fix it.
Here's a couple of pics of the right style...

[McJim]

Obviously there's a wealth of knowledge being thrown here but looking at Mark's lean it does look to me like his leg is out, the bike is leaned over but look at his head - it's still above the petrol tank. The centre of mass of the body should be hanging in towards the centre of the arc. That way the bike doesn't have to lean so far.

I've attached a pic of Loris Capirossi to demonstrate - his knee is no where near the tarmac but he is kissing where his mirror would be (something DMNTD told me to do) as he enters a corner.

My point? there's more weight in your gut than in your knee cap.

[FROSTY]

Actually --nahh fuggit Mr slight,stroud,harris in nz and a bunch of international riders have it wrong--Mark has it right

[enigma51]

Obviously there's a wealth of knowledge being thrown here but looking at Mark's lean it does look to me like his leg is out, the bike is leaned over but look at his head - it's still above the petrol tank. The centre of mass of the body should be hanging in towards the centre of the arc. That way the bike doesn't have to lean so far.

I've attached a pic of Loris Capirossi to demonstrate - his knee is no where near the tarmac but he is kissing where his mirror would be (something DMNTD told me to do) as he enters a corner.

My point? there's more weight in your gut than in your knee cap.

Yeah but loris's whole body weights as much as skiddy's knee and remember he is one of nz top racers

[Fatjim]

Stuff this lines and smoothness bullshit. Just go faster round the corner. Stop being a pussy and use the throttle more and the brake less.

When you start falling off you'll be going about fast enough.

[enigma51]

Stuff this lines and smoothness bullshit. Just go faster round the corner. Stop being a pussy and use the throttle more and the brake less.

When you start falling off you'll be going about fast enough.

what he said
:yes:

[Cr1MiNaL]

[quote=skidMark;1411088]upgrade the bike?quote]

:wacko: must upgrade to a brain first skiddy, too much power and not much self restraint is a potentially fatal combination.

Before u even get on another bike, get ur attitude right first.

1. U have nothing to prove to anyone. (dont look to race folks)
2. U are not the shit. U r a nub/turd (perhaps one day with a lot of practice and help u will be promoted to a magget).
3. The road is not the place for any of this.

Once u think uve mastered the above, ask urself this, if another bike comes up to u and challenges u to a whose got bigger balls race on the road, can u control ur throttle and not beam off after him?

If yes, you my friend will live long enough to give someone else some of the advise given to u on this thread.

Peace bro.

[Mr Skid]

I strongly suspect Mark's brain is too disorganised to make use any of the advice offered in here. :crybaby:

[ynot slow]

God gave you ears for a reason listen,listen and take it in.

Anyone else here fearfull of the word track and ROAD,scares the shit out of me when I here he's trying this shit on the road,mate if you crash into my daughter and injure her through your actions,aspergers,adhd or not you had better run,farken fast,and best before her mum gets to you.

Do it on the track it's controlled and if your being a dickhead they will let you know.

[Zuki Bandit]

I think we are all forgetting that the Almighty SKIDMARK is more than capable of defying the laws of physics!:lol:

[more_fasterer]

Mark, enter that ZXR into Streetstocks. You'll pick up the right racing lines, braking & powering out techniques from the other racers.

Please. You'll have half of KB cheering you on.

[BIGBOSSMAN]

Running out of lean? Sooner or later, Skiddy will surely run out of spleen with his knee down antics on the road!

[Morcs]

Reaching the edges of your tyres doesnt necessarily mean you cannot go faster.

I have experienced having my rear wheel lifted clean off the ground powering out of a corner (twice) because I was leaning so far my exhaust was hitting.

After that I worked on going faster with less lean, and I did. then once you have that mastered, then leaning more can be used to gain speed.

[SlowHand]

You need to turn fasterer. So

Back her in, and spin her out. Tighter lines with more awesomeness.

'Cos its all about riding awesome.

[yod]

You need to turn fasterer. So

Back her in, and spin her out. Tighter lines with more awesomeness.

'Cos its all about riding awesome.

lern how to spal

it's awesomerer !

stoopid

[Boob Johnson]

ever thought that 3 seconds may be from you braking to early and getting on the gas too late? just because your "leaning" doesnt mean shit if your braking to early
lol yup yup yup yup yup :rolleyes:


As said by previous poster, your the expert you work it out :Pokey:


Yet another "look at moi look at moi" post from SM, hey at least your consistent with crap posts Mark :clap:


Hows that Moto GP (pipe) dream comin along then? Guessing you haven't died trying yet?



We live in hope

:corn::corn::corn:



well, some very good advice there, so listen to it.
That's just the problem, all Mark has ever been interested in is chocking his own chain. He has had all the advice in the world, people have lent a hand & helped the kid out on MANY occasions & time & time again he snubs it off because he (thinks) he knows what he's doing only to show himself to be the muppet he is. His original post here is a prime example that he STILL hasn't got a clue, not even close.

[SlowHand]

lern how to spal

it's awesomerer !

stoopid


Should I have said fastererer, since he's already turning fasterer?

or does speeling bettererer cut lap times?

[motorbyclist]

Should I have said fastererer, since he's already turning fasterer?

or does speeling bettererer cut lap times?

of course! it's got more "r"s:stupid:

[Fatjim]

I think Mark the solution to all the shite you get handed on this site from the Auckers is to get matching leathers/boots/gloves.

[cowboyz]

Mark, enter that ZXR into Streetstocks. You'll pick up the right racing lines, braking & powering out techniques from the other racers.

Please. You'll have half of KB cheering you on.
and the other half praying for the safety of the others on the track.


of course! it's got more "r"s:stupid:

but has it USD Fs?

[Mental Trousers]

USD forks, the only way to go faster.

PS has he gone yet?

[DingoZ]

Last post was number 30........So maybe he has.........

[ital916]

Seriously bro...do you want some good advice. Here goes. Listening now. Your not leaning enough. You have to get a pair of balls and keep leaning until the bike is upside down. Then you will be able to corner the fastest. Upside down bikes blow all others away. Only the coolest can do it. But seeing as your still a noobs like the rest off us, you can only hope. If you want an easier technique, trying spinning the rear on a corner with you 300 km/h ZXRRRRRRRRRR2500 and then highsiding yourself over the finish line.:corn::corn::corn:. I believe, kbers have a united cause now eh *apart from the cheescutter one* lol

[EJK]

I have a problem...i can hang off my bike like mad and still i'm scraping fairings...and alternator cover while riding.... both at the track and on the road.....and levering off the alternator cover is not good.... means rear goes on an adventure.

i am hanging off as much as i can. Trying to minimalise how much i'm leaning the bike over.

in my signature pic below is a bad example...and the only pic as it was in early laps of the first session....i have scraped my arse on the ground before. so when i am right off....my knee of my outside leg is on the edge of the seat hanging right off...

i have done the whole try kiss ya mirror thing also.

what can i do...

do i need a bigger bike...

is the 250 just not meant for this?

i am 6 foot tall.

around taupo through some of the corners....my knee is down and the inside of my leg is hard against fairing the bike is laying on me. and i am scraping my fairing and alternator cover.... heres a pic after beign on the track....i had just painted the fairing too :bye:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=74510&d=1193565429

this is not some wank wank i'm the man post it's a serious question that i need help with. As i want to get faster. Any help would be appreciated.

i can't ride the bike at the moment as the engine is buggered.

Ride normally :done:

[ynot slow]

I think we are all forgetting that the Almighty SKIDMARK is more than capable of defying the laws of physics!:lol:

Shame his folks didn't defy the laws of biology.

[Robert Taylor]

Stop.

Brain on.

You're getting into a corner, the suspension is compressing with the weight of the bike, and the centripetal force due to cornering. This effectively lowers the ride height of the bike, making things scrape.

Fix the suspension so the ride height stays more constant and hey presto, nothing scraping.

CORRECT! No one does decent aftermarket suspension for these off the shelf so it is essentially custom build. The forks will have to be internally reworked and there is very little you can do with the budget rear shock in these. If you go to any national level road race and watch what happens in the top teams to ''find'' lower lap times its all about the black rubber hoops and the suspension.

[FROSTY]

CORRECT! No one does decent aftermarket suspension for these off the shelf so it is essentially custom build. The forks will have to be internally reworked and there is very little you can do with the budget rear shock in these. If you go to any national level road race and watch what happens in the top teams to ''find'' lower lap times its all about the black rubber hoops and the suspension.
Normally Robert I wouldn't disagree with you IN THIS CASE. trust me here this guy has a lot to learn before he needs your help.
Put it this way um even I could lap 2-5 seconds faster as the bike is just by cornering/braking acceleerating/turning in propperly.
Once he's got that sorted out THEN I'd suggest he beats a path to your door

[jcupit69]

Had the same problem with my old zxr, it didnt like being lent as much as much as id wanted to and it does hold u up in some corners that you know u could take faster.
Have a good look at ur suspension, but u may find theres just a limit to how far the bike can lean. You could also see if you can get after marked foot pegs to change ur position a lil aswell?

[BIGBOSSMAN]

Why doesn't Skiddy only ride on negative camber roads? I'm sure it's be a hell of a lot easier to achieve 'maximum lean', if he only rode his ZXR on them...:niceone: