Whine-tangi Day and Maori Protocol?

[Paul in NZ]

I'm starting to really really dislike Waitangi Day. It seems that it drags out every person with a grievance (real or imaginary) and offers them a chance to claim back this or jostle that and get it all on the front page of the media. It's never been a day of celebration but rather a day of anger and bile - pointless and harmful.

I'm not blaming Maori, Helen Clarke or even the media - but rather I just don't care anymore. Certainly I don't see anything to celebrate. Better to give Waitangi back to the stupid lecturer and let him turn it into a theme park or extend the golf course or something. Its hardly sacred ground is it?

On a slightly different but related topic, I was interested in the comments around increased intimidation in Marae Protocol. Its not a subject I'm terribly familiar with or even want to know anything about anymore. I could however understand what they were going on about with the dog noises though. My own experiences to date have been pretty negative and hostile and I have found myself giving any Marae a wide birth - I don't need the grief and would try to avoid another visit at almost any cost.

So - has it always been so?

I suppose so, people (Maori and non Maori) have been cunts for centuries - the romantic past is usually a construct of our imagination I'm just too tired to care this year.

[MisterD]

Go to the beach, avoid any and all media outlets...sweeet.

[Paul in NZ]

Go to the beach, avoid any and all media outlets...sweeet.

Exactly - the only fun in the whole 'Waitangi' thing is wondering if someone will actually get assaulted as well as insulted this year or not.

[Hitcher]

It's a day off. Enjoy it. No doubt there are politicians who will make all sorts of outrageous statements tomorrow to appeal to their adoring fans. The media will not allow a sensible and serious debate on "Maori issues". Conflict and misreporting attracts more people and sells more advertising.

I'm past caring and plan to do a return trip to Akitio tomorrow, weather permitting.

[merv]

Yeah day off to go riding. Hitcher I will be on this ride North Range Road (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=66159)and if we do Pori Road we will come out on the Pongaroa - Alfredton Road say may spot you if by coincidence we coincide on that stretch of seal. I'll probably steer them off that road on the way South and take the gravel via Bideford to head to Masterton.

[Grub]

I'm past caring and plan to do a return trip to Akitio tomorrow, weather permitting.

It's fair to assume that we may meet up then. Since it sounds like the Manawatu/HB/Rapa ride is ging to be in them there parts (Woodville 10:10)

Fair comments Paul. It used be a day of nationhood now it's just embarrassing to all concerned. Was going to suggest that to expunge all those horrid connotations of the day, a ride beginning at Rimutex (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1412491#post1412491) and then to distant parts (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=66240) might be a good idea. I know you're not that fond of group rides but it'd be nice to meet up aong the way.

[Grub]

... weather permitting.

Rural forecasts:-

Manawatu: Fine and sunny. Southeasterlies, fresh by day, easing in the evening.

Wairarapa: Mostly cloudy, but fine spells in the afternoon, especially inland. Southeast winds, fresh at first.

Hawkes Bay: Mostly cloudy, with isolated light showers. Southerlies, fresh at first.

So it's warm gear I'm thinking and maybe a little rain gear

[Deano]

Yep - weather looks good - will be riding.

[Str8 Jacket]

Well seeing as I cant go riding I will be celebrating Waitangi Day by going paintball shooting. Now if only I could get a "real" gun, then I could really stir the Waitangi Day celebrations up!

[sunhuntin]

im working, so ill be getting time and a half and a day in leiu, which is fine and dandy by me.

[Maha]

Certainly I don't see anything to celebrate.

Me either Paul...its a day off work where i can get out and ride, Pisses me off when it falls on a weekend tho'. Let all those who want to moan and bitch and all those who want to listen to those who moan and bitch get on with it for a day and the rest of us?.... enjoy ya' day off, thats my intention. Mark

[sugilite]

Yep - weather looks good - will be riding.

Hey, your taking this off topic with all this talk of riding motorbikes :angry2: Have you forgotten where you are man!!! :lol:

[Skyryder]

I see Waitangi Day like this. For Maori it's a beat up and an excuse to blame all and sundry for their woes.

For us it's an excuse for the polies to strut their stuff and show how much they care...............with our money.

New Zealand will never have any harmony on this day as it is a day of greavance for both Maori and now 'Pakeha.' It needs consigning to the dustbin of history.

Skyryder

[jimbo600]

Well I won't be riding. I'll be standing with my Tuhoe brothers doing my bit to raise awareness of the plight of Maori people in NZ.

Nah fuck that, I'll be working. And if I wasn't working i'd be drinking.

[HenryDorsetCase]

My view is that as a "national day" it sucks completely. As you say, its been hijacked by the likes of those Harawiras and all that crew. Not only that but it isnt even a "proper" day off holiday: if it falls in a weekend you dont get the Monday off.

My view: scrub it. Let the munters who want to argue about it do so.

Make ANZAC day our national day. All shops closed same as Christmas day and Easter Sunday.

No right to vote or receive any form of state assistance unless you attend a dawn parade or provide a medical certificate that you couldnt go.

Anzac day celebrates what makes this country great: international recognition, co-operation, bravery and sacrifice, and it doesnt matter what colour you are or whose great grandfather screwed over who out of what scrubby bit of backcountry*.

I will be out riding my motorbike if the weather is reasonable.




*I exaggerate slightly for effect.

[SPman]

...

Make ANZAC day our national day. All shops closed same as Christmas day and Easter Sunday.

No right to vote or receive any form of state assistance unless you attend a dawn parade or provide a medical certificate that you couldnt go.

Anzac day celebrates what makes this country great: international recognition, co-operation, bravery and sacrifice, and it doesnt matter what colour you are or whose great grandfather screwed over who out of what scrubby bit of backcountry*.

I will be out riding my motorbike if the weather is reasonable.

What!....on Anzac Day!

[HenryDorsetCase]

:)

no, tomorrow on Whine-tungy day

[yod]

On a slightly different but related topic, I was interested in the comments around increased intimidation in Marae Protocol. Its not a subject I'm terribly familiar with or even want to know anything about anymore. I could however understand what they were going on about with the dog noises though. My own experiences to date have been pretty negative and hostile and I have found myself giving any Marae a wide birth - I don't need the grief and would try to avoid another visit at almost any cost.


it's well out of date as far as human rights are concerned; much like Judaism, Islam, etc, it treats woman as lower class beings

[James Deuce]

Ditch it and replace it with "Sir Edmund Hilary Day".

Then create a National Holiday of Nationhood on Dominion Day, 26th September.

[mitchilin]

Can see there's fuck all Maori on Kb,Everyone seems to say they don't care about it but seems to say a whole lot.You get a day off and whinge about it.That's the English in you lot.Same cunts that whinge about the Aisians ,let look confused when I reply"Yeah, that's what we said two hundred years ago."

[mitchilin]

it's well out of date as far as human rights are concerned; much like Judaism, Islam, etc, it treats woman as lower class beings

What the fuck would you know?Thats based on ignorance.

[yod]

What the fuck would you know?Thats based on ignorance.

so you generalise about people's knowledge or lack thereof when you have no idea who they are, or what they actually know ? and you call me ignorant????

what the fuck would I know?

you mean apart from being married to a jew?

:laugh:

idiot

[James Deuce]

Can see there's fuck all Maori on Kb,Everyone seems to say they don't care about it but seems to say a whole lot.You get a day off and whinge about it.That's the English in you lot.Same cunts that whinge about the Aisians ,let look confused when I reply"Yeah, that's what we said two hundred years ago."

Sorry mate, but it's gone from being a National Day of celebration to being the sort of angry rant you just popped up.

You're also about as racist as it gets, but I guess I'm not "entitled" to say that. My ancestors put up with a 2000 years of oppression and genocide and there's fuck all of us left. A lot of us ended up here, but we're being made unwelcome once again. Big chunks of my racial history are dead and gone. My language effectively died out during the 19th centrury diaspora of my people, but you don't care about welcoming me as a fellow sufferer at the hands of the same people who stiffed you, you just think all white people are "English".

[HenryDorsetCase]

Sorry mate, but it's gone from being a National Day of celebration to being the sort of angry rant you just popped up.

You're also about as racist as it gets, but I guess I'm not "entitled" to say that. My ancestors put up with a 2000 years of oppression and genocide and there's fuck all of us left. A lot of us ended up here, but we're being made unwelcome once again. Big chunks of my racial history are dead and gone. My language effectively died out during the 19th centrury diaspora of my people, but you don't care about welcoming me as a fellow sufferer at the hands of the same people who stiffed you, you just think all white people are "English".

:love:

brilliantly, eloquently put.

Being white, middle aged and middle class means that whatever I do, I'm oppressing some minority.

I've decided I'm OK with that.

[mstriumph]

.... Judaism...........treats woman as lower class beings no, it doesn't

[mstriumph]

Sorry mate, but it's gone from being a National Day of celebration to being the sort of angry rant you just popped up.

You're also about as racist as it gets, but I guess I'm not "entitled" to say that. .............. heck this is KB - say it all you like - i may even join you :sunny:


in fact - i'll drink to that! :apint:

[jimbo600]

Big chunks of my racial history are dead and gone. My language effectively died out during the 19th centrury diaspora of my people, but you don't care about welcoming me as a fellow sufferer at the hands of the same people who stiffed you, you just think all white people are "English".

Are you a Jedi Jim?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Can see there's fuck all Maori on Kb,Everyone seems to say they don't care about it but seems to say a whole lot.You get a day off and whinge about it.That's the English in you lot.Same cunts that whinge about the Aisians ,let look confused when I reply"Yeah, that's what we said two hundred years ago."

thanks for calling me a cunt, by the way.

Note we only get a day off if Whine tangi day is on a Monday thru Friday.

Might one assume that you are a maori? Let me ask you some questions: (and since you've personalised the whole debate by calling me names, I shall continue in that vein)

Background: I, thru the extraordinarily large tax bills I pay every year, have contributed directly to the settlement of maori greivances, and have paid a lot of money to various tribes over the past few years.


What have you done with my money?

How much had trickled down to you, the maori person walking or riding down the street?

Why do you feel entitled to more?

Why have the various appalling statistics relating to health, education and welfare and violence relevant to maori people not been improved by the large quantities of money I have paid you?

If not now, how much more money will you want till you can start sorting out this stuff yourself?

When is a "final settlement" a final settlement?

Why is the stone-age concept of a "tribe" thought to be relevant in 2007?

When will you stop whining and just get the hell on with it like the rest of us?




PS, any answer containing the words "colonialism" or "racism" is unacceptable.

[mitchilin]

so you generalise about people's knowledge or lack thereof when you have no idea who they are, or what they actually know ? and you call me ignorant????

what the fuck would I know?

you mean apart from being married to a jew?

:laugh:

idiot

So fucking what!You're married to Jewish lady.What makes you think any hardship she may have endured gives you the right to speak on her behalf.Easy to be brave behind a keyboard.That doesn't give you any insights.And please,do you know any victims from the Holocaust?I do.You honestly think that being raised as a Jew today would be harder than being raised as Palestinian?Chosen....ppftttt

[Burrt Badger]

Waitangi Day should be a celebration of our Country, by ALL New Zealanders, but sadly it has been hijacked by the vocal minority and turned into a "bitch about whatever annoys you" day. Sod them all. Lets start our own tribe called "Ngati Kiwi", open to ALL Proud New Zealanders, regardless of race or creed, and then we can celebrate "Our Day" as a day of pride!!!!!!

[James Deuce]

.Easy to be brave behind a keyboard.

Isn't it just.

[yod]

So fucking what!You're married to Jewish lady.What makes you think any hardship she may have endured gives you the right to speak on her behalf.Easy to be brave behind a keyboard.That doesn't give you any insights.And please,do you know any victims from the Holocaust?I do.You honestly think that being raised as a Jew today would be harder than being raised as Palestinian?Chosen....ppftttt

wow, talk about missing the point entirely :laugh:

all i meant was i understand a fair portion of their culture as far as how women are treated - nothing to do who's been oppressed more (do you actually READ threads or just fly off the handle after reading one post?)

Palestinians?? wtf??

and what the hell has "Easy to be brave behind a keyboard" got to do with anything??

any more wild assumptions you'd like to make?

take a fucking chill pill mate...

[MSTRS]

So fucking what!You're married to Jewish lady.What makes you think any hardship she may have endured gives you the right to speak on her behalf.Easy to be brave behind a keyboard.That doesn't give you any insights.And please,do you know any victims from the Holocaust?I do.You honestly think that being raised as a Jew today would be harder than being raised as Palestinian?Chosen....ppftttt

Angry. Ignorant. And Arrogant too.
See you at Ti Ti Marae. Hone will have a special spot reserved just for you.

[mitchilin]

thanks for calling me a cunt, by the way.

Note we only get a day off if Whine tangi day is on a Monday thru Friday.

Might one assume that you are a maori? Let me ask you some questions: (and since you've personalised the whole debate by calling me names, I shall continue in that vein)

Background: I, thru the extraordinarily large tax bills I pay every year, have contributed directly to the settlement of maori greivances, and have paid a lot of money to various tribes over the past few years.


What have you done with my money?

How much had trickled down to you, the maori person walking or riding down the street?

Why do you feel entitled to more?

Why have the various appalling statistics relating to health, education and welfare and violence relevant to maori people not been improved by the large quantities of money I have paid you?

If not now, how much more money will you want till you can start sorting out this stuff yourself?

When is a "final settlement" a final settlement?

Why is the stone-age concept of a "tribe" thought to be relevant in 2007?

When will you stop whining and just get the hell on with it like the rest of us?




PS, any answer containing the words "colonialism" or "racism" is unacceptable.

FUCK OFF!How much do you pay.Last year I paid over 20k.How much did I get back ?Nothing.Words like "stone age" and "tribe" were deliberately put in there as a smoke screen to belittle me.When I used the word cunt I was generalising.If you took it personal....then fucking good job.Do you really believe I'm some fucking radical Maori just sitting on KB waiting to take offense?I thought KB was there to talk and meet some like minded people,but you're obviously the sort that will cover your mouth when you speak so as not to offend"them".I'm not the one whining,CUNT,you are.As for getting on with it like the rest off us,I get on every fucking day.I've not had a sick day in three years and work for one of NZ's biggest companies.When was your last sick day eh,cunt?

[yod]

no, it doesn't

yes, it does

[yod]

FUCK OFF!How much do you pay.Last year I paid over 20k.How much did I get back ?Nothing.Words like "stone age" and "tribe" were deliberately put in there as a smoke screen to belittle me.When I used the word cunt I was generalising.If you took it personal....then fucking good job.Do you really believe I'm some fucking radical Maori just sitting on KB waiting to take offense?I thought KB was there to talk and meet some like minded people,but you're obviously the sort that will cover your mouth when you speak so as not to offend"them".I'm not the one whining,CUNT,you are.As for getting on with it like the rest off us,I get on every fucking day.I've not had a sick day in three years and work for one of NZ's biggest companies.When was your last sick day eh,cunt?

NO sick days in THREE years??

wow, you're so cool, I wish I could compete with that since it's SO important to my identity

what are you? 5 years old?

:laugh:

got anything intelligent or reasoned to say ?

fuck cunt fuck cunt fuck cunt fuck (just thought I'd get all the essentials in at the end)

[98tls]

:niceone:Anyone got a spare flag,ive found the shotgun but cant find the fucken flag.

[Hitcher]

There are some sensitive wee things attempting to post in this thread. Could they please endeavour to:

a) keep it on topic
b) resist resorting to cheap personal attacks.

Otherwise there will be some "moderating" happening and, possibly, tears before bedtime (other than mine).

Thank you.

[mitchilin]

If I offended anyone with my comments ,but I feel Maori get the short end of the stick everytime.Walk in my shoes for a day.I'm sick of racism.Every day I have to face it you don't.

[HenryDorsetCase]

FUCK OFF!How much do you pay.Last year I paid over 20k.How much did I get back ?Nothing.Words like "stone age" and "tribe" were deliberately put in there as a smoke screen to belittle me.When I used the word cunt I was generalising.If you took it personal....then fucking good job.Do you really believe I'm some fucking radical Maori just sitting on KB waiting to take offense?I thought KB was there to talk and meet some like minded people,but you're obviously the sort that will cover your mouth when you speak so as not to offend"them".I'm not the one whining,CUNT,you are.As for getting on with it like the rest off us,I get on every fucking day.I've not had a sick day in three years and work for one of NZ's biggest companies.When was your last sick day eh,cunt?

$20k? not to get into a pissing contest or anything, but I pay provisional tax, and if I get a note from my accountant that my prov tax payment (3 monthly) is less than $20k I think they've forgotten something.

I'm self employed, and my last sick days (three of them) were about three weeks ago. Thanks for asking, I feel much better now.

by the way, stone age is a descriptive term, as was tribe. One believes that pre-European maori were not famous for their mining or metalworking skills.

I do seem to have pressed your buttons, rather though. Much more than I was trying to.

And no, I'm not sorry, and no, I don't apologise.

And yes, I can keep this up all night. But not tomorrow, I'll be out riding.

[HenryDorsetCase]

:niceone:Anyone got a spare flag,ive found the shotgun but cant find the fucken flag.

one might speculate that you are the wrong ethnicity to get away with firing a shotgun at a flag at a public gathering.

[Paul in NZ]

Jeepers folks - take a chill pill and lay out points sensibly otherwise the angry agitators will be happy and the only winners will be the guys selling AK47's on trade me.

Seriously - this day has become a focus for the angry hate mechants, it will never resolve anything and I reckon it should be abandoned before it causes more conflict. - I really dislike it and I suspect a large proportion of Maori roll their eyes up in horror at the thought of it - but of course I wouldn't know because I am scared of Maraes...

However - I suppose the real question is - how much of what goes on IS genuinely protocol and how much is tweaked to grab a headline?

Paul N (now hating I started this)

[HenryDorsetCase]

Jeepers folks - take a chill pill and lay out points sensibly otherwise the angry agitators will be happy and the only winners will be the guys selling AK47's on trade me.



I need a link please. done a search and cant find any.

Apparently you can buy an AK47 at any street market in South America.

[98tls]

one might speculate that you are the wrong ethnicity to get away with firing a shotgun at a flag at a public gathering. yea but for weeks know ive been applying the clearasil very carefully so that when tommorow comes theres just some very angry red welts across my face....that oughta fool them.

[Paul in NZ]

If I offended anyone with my comments ,but I feel Maori get the short end of the stick everytime.Walk in my shoes for a day.I'm sick of racism.Every day I have to face it you don't.

Yep - you are right but on the other hand, we all have crosses to bear in life - I hate my bloody insulin and all the crap that goes with it like a life expectancy on average 33% shorter, my wife hates her dyslexia and being 5' tall with a crushed vertebrae... It's not your issues that matter in life but how you deal with them really!

Still, I think you will find your words have increased your standing (well in my eyes) and I would be genuinely interested in what you think. I've had some really bad experiences with Marae protocol etc from some seriously agro people but spent some delightful time discussing Te Reo and other issues with folks (came away quite impressed by the commitment required)

Ah well - stuff it, I'll drink too much tonight and pretend I can spray paint again... (this will end badly I can assure you)

[jimbo600]

If I offended anyone with my comments ,but I feel Maori get the short end of the stick everytime.Walk in my shoes for a day.I'm sick of racism.Every day I have to face it you don't.

How do you face racism every day? I mean in what ways do you encounter racism in everyday life?

[mitchilin]

Is this real?A good marae,when you have lost a loved one is the most comforting thing in the world.Media portrays one thing but reality is another.One of my best mates,said to me ,when we were burying his father in law.I want to be buried here,fuck England.

[98tls]

If I offended anyone with my comments ,but I feel Maori get the short end of the stick everytime.Walk in my shoes for a day.I'm sick of racism.Every day I have to face it you don't. You think? Not a wind up at all but any chance you could explain why you feel that.I couldnt give a rats about Waitangi day and all thats gone on as i much prefer to worry about whats going on in my life at present rather than dwell on the past,since time began there have been many people wronged if you choose to look at it like that but i dont believe one bit of good has ever been done by dwelling on it.As i say not a wind up just interested in why you feel that way about it.

[Paul in NZ]

Is this real?A good marae,when you have lost a loved one is the most comforting thing in the world.Media portrays one thing but reality is another.One of my best mates,said to me ,when we were burying his father in law.I want to be buried here,fuck England.

I must have gone on a bad day - I thought I was going to get buried there! :shifty: I guess its like everything - good and bad eh?

Maybe we should call it wine-tangi instead and have a party?

[mitchilin]

How do you face racism every day? I mean in what ways do you encounter racism in everyday life?
Being the only brown face in a corporate world,being the biggest in the room,so you must be security,having people ask you "if you know what that word means?" organising meetings over the phone and having them go straight to a trainee,having people quote me bits of law,asking if there is an alternate person they could talk to.I kid you not,every single,fucking,day.

[yod]

If I offended anyone with my comments ,but I feel Maori get the short end of the stick everytime.Walk in my shoes for a day.I'm sick of racism.Every day I have to face it you don't.

im white, im not english, im seen as being responsible for racism that occurred 130 years before i was born

Walk in my shoes for a day

a little empathy goes a long way

[98tls]

Being the only brown face in a corporate world,being the biggest in the room,so you must be security,having people ask you "if you know what that word means?" organising meetings over the phone and having them go straight to a trainee,having people quote me bits of law,asking if there is an alternate person they could talk to.I kid you not,every single,fucking,day. Really.......thats fucken North islanders for ya mate,down here we would just call you a black bastard:Playnice:just kidding.When faced with that shit surely you can come up with something witty to put them in there place,you are obviously a bright bugger as you are in the corporate boardroom in the first place,ignorance can only fuck you off if you choose not to ignore it.Nice choice of bike by the way.

[mitchilin]

You think? Not a wind up at all but any chance you could explain why you feel that.I couldnt give a rats about Waitangi day and all thats gone on as i much prefer to worry about whats going on in my life at present rather than dwell on the past,since time began there have been many people wronged if you choose to look at it like that but i dont believe one bit of good has ever been done by dwelling on it.As i say not a wind up just interested in why you feel that way about it.

Hell Mate,I was kind of feeling lost for a long while......And then I got a TL1000s.Honestly,my life changed.I finally had the bike I lusted after for so long.What the fuck else matters?Power is nothing without control.Maybe I need a selfcheck,maybe soone else does too?IDFK

[mitchilin]

Really.......thats fucken North islanders for ya mate,down here we would just call you a black bastard:Playnice:just kidding.When faced with that shit surely you can come up with something witty to put them in there place,you are obviously a bright bugger as you are in the corporate boardroom in the first place,ignorance can only fuck you off if you choose not to ignore it.Nice choice of bike by the way.

Blackiest face in Gore.Was born in Mataura.Southlander.Dads family.History there.

[HenryDorsetCase]

this is no fun anymore, everyone's being far too reasonable, can't we get back to playing Maori radicals and White supremacists again?

[98tls]

Blackiest face in Gore.Was born in Mataura.Southlander.Dads family.History there. No shit,lived in Mataura myself moons ago,worked at the works.Almost married a girl from there but managed to escape.

[MSTRS]

:niceone:Anyone got a spare flag,ive found the shotgun but cant find the fucken flag.

Sorry it took so long. I've turned the place upside down and all I could find was this. Will it do?
:devil2:

[ElCoyote]

Sorry mate, but it's gone from being a National Day of celebration to being the sort of angry rant you just popped up.

You're also about as racist as it gets, but I guess I'm not "entitled" to say that. My ancestors put up with a 2000 years of oppression and genocide and there's fuck all of us left. A lot of us ended up here, but we're being made unwelcome once again. Big chunks of my racial history are dead and gone. My language effectively died out during the 19th centrury diaspora of my people, but you don't care about welcoming me as a fellow sufferer at the hands of the same people who stiffed you, you just think all white people are "English".

So it's copacetic then?

[98tls]

Sorry it took so long. I've turned the place upside down and all I could find was this. Will it do?
:devil2: Itll do,will just fire backwards:rolleyes:

[98tls]

this is no fun anymore, everyone's being far too reasonable, can't we get back to playing Maori radicals and White supremacists again? :laugh::laugh::laugh:must spread blah blah blah

[MSTRS]

Itll do,will just fire backwards:rolleyes:

Won't make any difference if you're using your (t)rusty ol' Damascus-barrelled jobby

[mitchilin]

So it's copacetic then?

Sorry mate,copacetic?Whats that then?

[ElCoyote]

Waitangi Day should be a celebration of our Country, by ALL New Zealanders, but sadly it has been hijacked by the vocal minority and turned into a "bitch about whatever annoys you" day. Sod them all. Lets start our own tribe called "Ngati Kiwi", open to ALL Proud New Zealanders, regardless of race or creed, and then we can celebrate "Our Day" as a day of pride!!!!!!

I don't care what you call it but keep it as a holiday, at least that way I know my house won't be graffitied, my sister raped, my business burgled or my vehicles stolen because any potential offender will be in Whinge Tangi.

[98tls]

Won't make any difference if you're using your (t)rusty ol' Damascus-barrelled jobby Was thinking as the pic is so small if i fire backwards i may well miss the puter and get away with a hole in the kitchen wall.

[Hitcher]

Sorry mate,copacetic?Whats that then?

You're not helping yourself here... www.dictionary.com

[ElCoyote]

Sorry mate,copacetic?Whats that then?

Copacetic: Adj, Fine, OK, all good

[98tls]

Sorry mate,copacetic?Whats that then? Dumb maori:doh:come to think of it i havent a clue myself,you think you got it tough mate try being a fucken redneck and decipher all these words.:oi-grr:

[Grahameeboy]

Anzac day celebrates what makes this country great: international recognition, co-operation, bravery and sacrifice, and it doesnt matter what colour you are or whose great grandfather screwed over who out of what scrubby bit of backcountry*.

I will be out riding my motorbike if the weather is reasonable.




*I exaggerate slightly for effect.

I know this is controversial, but how did ANZAC make NZ great.....

[Grahameeboy]

Being the only brown face in a corporate world,being the biggest in the room,so you must be security,having people ask you "if you know what that word means?" organising meetings over the phone and having them go straight to a trainee,having people quote me bits of law,asking if there is an alternate person they could talk to.I kid you not,every single,fucking,day.

Your profile does say you are paronoid........

To be honest mate, they are the ignorant ones and just rise above it and laugh inside..............you are still there.

[98tls]

I know this is controversial, but how did ANZAC make NZ great..... Compost mate,the turks swear by Anzac compost.Another thing the English gave us.

[MSTRS]

I know this is controversial, but how did ANZAC make NZ great.....

It was the last time we blindly followed orders given by a pommy officer?

[Grahameeboy]

If I offended anyone with my comments ,but I feel Maori get the short end of the stick everytime.Walk in my shoes for a day.I'm sick of racism.Every day I have to face it you don't.

Go to some parts of America, parts of Africa and then you will know what real racism is and you will realise that things are not so bad...

I think you will be surprised how many 'whites' get the short end of the stick.

I would happily walk in your shoes for a day.

[Grahameeboy]

It was the last time we blindly followed orders given by a pommy officer?

Okay, thanks for enlightening me on that............time for a beer....

[FROSTY]

I just don't understand this whole Waitangi day thing one lil bit.
Why not celibrate how fucking fantastic this country is?
For one day actually celebrate the diversity of racial and religious types we have in this great country.
FOR JUST ONE DAY be as one people -white black yellow or green (thats Paul in NZ after a night on the port)
Jeez the friggin Auzzies and even the Yanks can do it

[Grahameeboy]

Compost mate,the turks swear by Anzac compost.Another thing the English gave us.

Makes cheap tobacco substitute then............

[98tls]

I just don't understand this whole Waitangi day thing one lil bit.
Why not celibrate how fucking fantastic this country is?
For one day actually celebrate the diversity of racial and religious types we have in this great country.
FOR JUST ONE DAY be as one people -white black yellow or green (thats Paul in NZ after a night on the port)
Jeez the friggin Auzzies and even the Yanks can do it Good post Frosty and so true,on my way over to Woodstock the other weekend i stopped beside lake Hawera (spelling) and thought that very same thing,imho we are all blessed to live here.

[Grahameeboy]

I just don't understand this whole Waitangi day thing one lil bit.
Why not celibrate how fucking fantastic this country is?
For one day actually celebrate the diversity of racial and religious types we have in this great country.
FOR JUST ONE DAY be as one people -white black yellow or green (thats Paul in NZ after a night on the port)
Jeez the friggin Auzzies and even the Yanks can do it

You are right... Tangi means "Tangi – Maori funeral practice" so 'Wai' are we having a day off for funeral practice...........

[MSTRS]

... we are all blessed to live here.

Of course we are. And that is why Feb 6 has to change. It has become the symbol of divisiveness. And that is wrong.

[MSTRS]

You are right... Tangi means "Tangi – Maori funeral practice" so 'Wai' are we having a day off for funeral practice...........

Back to Lower Tidmarsh with you...you can go by wai.

[Grahameeboy]

Back to Lower Tidmarsh with you...you can go by wai.

Benny Hill to you geezer...............

[MSTRS]

That doesn't even rhyme. You're a fraud

[ElCoyote]

You are right... Tangi means "Tangi – Maori funeral practice" so 'Wai' are we having a day off for funeral practice...........

Wai means "Water" so maybe it means we (honky's) are pissed off with being pissed on

[Grahameeboy]

Wai means "Water" so maybe it means we (honky's) are pissed off with being pissed on

Of course, I should have realised that......silly me......

[Paul in NZ]

Being the only brown face in a corporate world,.

Christ I know how that feels - I had a job in Dallas once and headed off one night to some mall that was having sales for some thing or other for the troops at home. 30mins into my shopping I realised I was the only white face in any direction for quite some distance (ie further than I could see) - it was quite an experience. One kind soul asked me - 'Sir - are you lost?" When I said no he smiled and gave up on me...

It was fun really - no trouble but I got sick of people staring at me.

Another trip I ended up in some Malaysian kampong at 3am with a whole lot of jokers I was supposed to be working with 10 miles away any I was definately the only euro for miles - that was fun too but they thought I was freakin nuts not taking sugar in my plastic bag full of tea....

[merv]

Hey isn't the protocol that being a day off we should be riding so who's coming with us on this ride North Range Road (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=66159) - Tangata Whenua and Tangata Tiriti all welcome - but best you have a gravel capable bike?

Shell Mana 8am - be there to keep your mana intact.

[Big Dave]

I also think there's a lot you should be proud of here. And it's sooo much more than the blow hards that appear tomorrow - and then slink back into the background of what is a well cool and tolerant place.

'Hating people because of their color is wrong. And it doesn't matter which color does the hating. It's just plain wrong.' - Muhammad Ali (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/muhammadal167373.html)

[HenryDorsetCase]

'Hating people because of their color is wrong. And it doesn't matter which color does the hating. It's just plain wrong.' - Muhammad Ali (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/muhammadal167373.html)

Concur. I always find if I get to know someone first, I can really get to dislike them more intensely on a personal level, not something irrelevant like skin colour.

Just to hijack a bit more, there was a very funny "30 Rock" where Liz Lemon had a date with a black guy, and it was clear that their personalities were incompatible, but she felt compelled to continue the relationship because she didnt want to be seen to breaking up with the guy because he would think and people would assume it was because he was black and she was white.... I like that show, though my favourite characters are Jack Doneghy (Alec Baldwin) and Kenneth.

[jimbo600]

Being the only brown face in a corporate world,being the biggest in the room,so you must be security,having people ask you "if you know what that word means?" organising meetings over the phone and having them go straight to a trainee,having people quote me bits of law,asking if there is an alternate person they could talk to.I kid you not,every single,fucking,day.

Holy fuck. Thats a shame. just about every Maori I know doesn't deal with such bollocks. Some Asian students I hosted experienced a bit of racism. Mind you being white I have been stereotyped as not being able to play basketball or dance. However, they were right on both counts.

Sorry to hear there are some bigots up your way though mate.

[merv]

Hey jimbo your not a member of the Keep Whitby White, aka Whitby Residents Association are ya?

They always worried when Omapere Street was pushed through to the Tangata Whenua side of Porirua, but in the end the worry was ill founded and the Maoris never came, but the migrant Asians did.

[jimbo600]

Hey jimbo your not a member of the Keep Whitby White, aka Whitby Residents Association are ya?

They always worried when Omapere Street was pushed through to the Tangata Whenua side of Porirua, but in the end the worry was ill founded and the Maoris never came, but the migrant Asians did.

Don't you worry mate we got plans for them Asians. They're going to be shaft fill for the wind turbines. And we got spotters at the top of Omapere checking on the Maoris. But what did I see the other day? Well Holy Jesus nothing but god damn Somali. Damn skinnies in my Arian paradise.

Scary to think that some folk think like that for real.

[mstriumph]

yes, it does

and i quote


wow, you're so cool, I wish I could compete with that since it's SO important to my identity

what are you? 5 years old?



got anything intelligent or reasoned to say ? etc etc etc :zzzz:

[Grahameeboy]

What determines whether you are still a Maori or a Kiwi....I mean my Daughter was born here so she is a New Zealander not British as I am....as his her Mum.

I mean if your Mum is say Maori and your Dad is a New Zealander are you still Maori.

My partner is Nigerian, she has 2 kids born here and they are New Zealanders despite being black.

This is not to be offensive, just I have always wondered about blood ties.

[ElCoyote]

I just don't understand this whole Waitangi day thing one lil bit.
Why not celibrate how fucking fantastic this country is?
For one day actually celebrate the diversity of racial and religious types we have in this great country.
FOR JUST ONE DAY be as one people -white black yellow or green (thats Paul in NZ after a night on the port)
Jeez the friggin Auzzies and even the Yanks can do it

The blanketty blank Aussies can't do it, they hate wogs and wops with good reason. The yanks are still latent Ku Kux Klanners and rightly so. Uncle Helen, when quizzzed on the outflux of New Zealanders to Australia, stated that we are replacing them with skilled migrants at a greater rate. As if we need more taxi driving brain surgeons who pray to mecca. What she failed to say was, that they are jumping the "ditch" to get out of the clutches of her socialist/dictatorial gubbmint, who have systematically stripped the rights of the resident population, yet allowed cavalcade speeding, home invasion, abolution of freedom of speech, prevarication by parliamentary officials, selected memory lapses of same and obfuscation, also by same to reign supreme. Ignoring this for "just one day" is a no go. Only when New Zealanders have the intestinal fortitude to oppose these restrictions will things improve but with Dastardly Helen importing more aliens to ensure they vote for her (HIM) (IT) the war is lost and the Ngati Maori will be just a distant memory, albeit a sour one. Wake up Kiwi's, stand up for the sake of your offspring. Why do so many South Africans reside in YOUR country, because they were disenfranchised from their own by your apathy. Hitler succeeded to power by the same covert route. YOUR CHOICE

[mstriumph]

Being the only brown face in a corporate world,being the biggest in the room,so you must be security,having people ask you "if you know what that word means?" organising meetings over the phone and having them go straight to a trainee,having people quote me bits of law,asking if there is an alternate person they could talk to.I kid you not,every single,fucking,day.

that stinks
almost like being the only female in a near-all male industry so you must be the office girlie ....... no - she's wearing steelcaps and rides a bike so she's GOTTA be a lesbian etc etc

not every day though, not anymore
it has taken a while
but they know enough to fear me now :rolleyes:

it could be worse, bro ....... we COULD be french?

*shudders*

[yod]

and i quote

etc etc etc :zzzz:

weak effort, very weak

if you want debate the point you disagreed with, go ahead. I simply responded in the same manner you did

:yawn:

[mstriumph]

...... is there an ECHO in here? :wacko:

[98tls]

:
The blanketty blank Aussies can't do it, they hate wogs and wops with good reason. The yanks are still latent Ku Kux Klanners and rightly so. Uncle Helen, when quizzzed on the outflux of New Zealanders to Australia, stated that we are replacing them with skilled migrants at a greater rate. As if we need more taxi driving brain surgeons who pray to mecca. What she failed to say was, that they are jumping the "ditch" to get out of the clutches of her socialist/dictatorial gubbmint, who have systematically stripped the rights of the resident population, yet allowed cavalcade speeding, home invasion, abolution of freedom of speech, prevarication by parliamentary officials, selected memory lapses of same and obfuscation, also by same to reign supreme. Ignoring this for "just one day" is a no go. Only when New Zealanders have the intestinal fortitude to oppose these restrictions will things improve but with Dastardly Helen importing more aliens to ensure they vote for her (HIM) (IT) the war is lost and the Ngati Maori will be just a distant memory, albeit a sour one. Wake up Kiwi's, stand up for the sake of your offspring. Why do so many South Africans reside in YOUR country, because they were disenfranchised from their own by your apathy. Hitler succeeded to power by the same covert route. YOUR CHOICE :lol:Being descended from a German family who funnily enough ended up here via South Africa i read your post with some interest.Your explanation of Hitlers success is amusing but far from the truth.

[ElCoyote]

What determines whether you are still a Maori or a Kiwi....I mean my Daughter was born here so she is a New Zealander not British as I am....as his her Mum.

I mean if your Mum is say Maori and your Dad is a New Zealander are you still Maori.

My partner is Nigerian, she has 2 kids born here and they are New Zealanders despite being black.

This is not to be offensive, just I have always wondered about blood ties.


Depends on how you can manipulate the benefit to suit you circumstances Not refering to your situation in any shape or form, rather the "BRO" mentality with their "Cuz/Auntie", Doleing (no pun intended) out the dosh. That is blood ties, and the courts have an audit trail longer that the tail, of Hayley's comet where funds have been misappropriated under that same guise. Welcome to NZ the Clean Green democracy. Stay and help resurrect us if possible.........goes into funk and flagellates self with old chain.

[Grahameeboy]

The blanketty blank Aussies can't do it, they hate wogs and wops with good reason. The yanks are still latent Ku Kux Klanners and rightly so. Uncle Helen, when quizzzed on the outflux of New Zealanders to Australia, stated that we are replacing them with skilled migrants at a greater rate. As if we need more taxi driving brain surgeons who pray to mecca. What she failed to say was, that they are jumping the "ditch" to get out of the clutches of her socialist/dictatorial gubbmint, who have systematically stripped the rights of the resident population, yet allowed cavalcade speeding, home invasion, abolution of freedom of speech, prevarication by parliamentary officials, selected memory lapses of same and obfuscation, also by same to reign supreme. Ignoring this for "just one day" is a no go. Only when New Zealanders have the intestinal fortitude to oppose these restrictions will things improve but with Dastardly Helen importing more aliens to ensure they vote for her (HIM) (IT) the war is lost and the Ngati Maori will be just a distant memory, albeit a sour one. Wake up Kiwi's, stand up for the sake of your offspring. Why do so many South Africans reside in YOUR country, because they were disenfranchised from their own by your apathy. Hitler succeeded to power by the same covert route. YOUR CHOICE

I know that 8,000 more NZ residents went to Aussie compared with previous year, however, stats can be misleading.

A lot of people immigrate to NZ as it is easier than getting into Aussie, wait for NZ citizenship and then bugger off so a lot of this increase could be pre-meditated rather than due to policies.

[SixPackBack]

Some very sad people in this thread.


Waitangi day is what you make it. I choose to make it a celebration of my participation in this great country.
Ignore the press and the whinging pricks on both sides of the fence-just for today.
'Hating people because of their color is wrong. And it doesn't matter which color does the hating. It's just plain wrong.' - Muhammad Ali (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/muhammadal167373.html) [Thanks Big Dave, eloquent as always]
N.Z is an immigrant nation. Get over it. Folk from other 'non white' [or Maori] countries are people with similar dreams and aspirations as yourself. Love them-support them.Get on your bike and ride for the day, stick a smile on your face, tip your hat to those you meet, Have a barbie tonight, sup a Bevvy, marvel at life and in the words of a former mentor "Be thankful you don't live in a concrete pipe in Bangladesh and hate your neighbours" cos frankly folk's Aotearoa is fuggin' awsome.:niceone:

[Grahameeboy]

Some very sad people in this thread.


Waitangi day is what you make it. I choose to make it a celebration of my participation in this great country.
Ignore the press and the whinging pricks on both sides of the fence-just for today.
'Hating people because of their color is wrong. And it doesn't matter which color does the hating. It's just plain wrong.' - Muhammad Ali (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/muhammadal167373.html) [Thanks Big Dave, eloquent as always]
N.Z is an immigrant nation. Get over it. Folk from other 'non white' [or Maori] countries are people with similar dreams and aspirations as yourself. Love them-support them.Get on your bike and ride for the day, stick a smile on your face, tip your hat to those you meet, Have a barbie tonight, sup a Bevvy, marvel at life and in the words of a former mentor "Be thankful you don't live in a concrete pipe in Bangladesh and hate your neighbours" cos frankly folk's Aotearoa is fuggin' awsome.:niceone:

+1

Being an immigrant I am honest when I say that Wiatangi Day has no meaning to me, but understand it does for others.

For me I struggle with the fact that something signed over 150 years ago is still being debated when NZ and the world have moved on beyond the 'Treaty'.

I know the Maori feel they have lost out on land and from what I have been told some of it has merit, however, man has for 1000's of years fought over land, some lose, some win and then it swings around again.

I guess the question is are Maori overall worse off now than they would have been had the Brits not landed? The Maori have tribes who fought eachother so how do we know that they would not have had battles over land without any outside interference.

[JimO]

+1

Being an immigrant I am honest when I say that Wiatangi Day has no meaning to me, but understand it does for others.

For me I struggle with the fact that something signed over 150 years ago is still being debated when NZ and the world have moved on beyond the 'Treaty'.

I know the Maori feel they have lost out on land and from what I have been told some of it has merit, however, man has for 1000's of years fought over land, some lose, some win and then it swings around again.

I guess the question is are Maori overall worse off now than they would have been had the Brits not landed? The Maori have tribes who fought eachother so how do we know that they would not have had battles over land without any outside interference.


if europeans hadnt arrived the maori would have killed each other off, same as they are doing today

[twotyred]

:love:

brilliantly, eloquently put.

Being white, middle aged and middle class means that whatever I do, I'm oppressing some minority.

I've decided I'm OK with that.

and don't forget the big one.. MALE!

[ynot slow]

Enjoy the day for what it is,a day for shopping,shit ya all seen the ads for 20% off this,40% of this,these are from the multi corp outlets,not owner operators,but force the little guy/guyess to open to compete,remember NZ favourite hobby is shopping.

I appreciate the day off,yes it's part of our history good or bad,that depends on who you are or what has been ingrained into you by parents etc.

As an aside with guys riding today a question for you,if when riding, a bike is stopped on the roadside,how many maori would stop only for a bro,likewise how many whites would stop for white only,NONE at all,we would stop for anyone on roadside,colour-ethnic wouldn't enter the fray.Sure the politics of the day are abounding,but if all you want to do is moan about who's fault is it,get a life,there are faults and it isn't just one day.

The part I hate is it happened generations ago,why didn't the English sort it out around 100 yrs ago,shit both maori and white fought side by side in numerous wars,remember gallipoli,following the stuffed up plans of motherland,numerous ww2 stuff ups,all this in the name of sovereignty and crap,and still QE is not amused.:spanking:

[riffer]

...
Waitangi day is what you make it....cos frankly folk's Aotearoa is fuggin' awsome.:niceone:

You must spread some reputation around ...

[sugilite]

Sugilites Waitangi Day as written by a reporter "Five Maoris were involved in detaining a white European male against his will on Waitangi Day. The victim was planning to attend a Waitangi celebration ride with a large group of friends. He was only released once Waitangi Day was over."

Sugilites Waitangi Day as written by Anthony Bradford "Geez I'd love to go on that KB ride. Bugger it, my wife (A Maori) has taken one of my sons to operate a stall at a market in order to bring home the bacon. That leaves me to look after our other 3 Maori children for the day, But hey, no problem, I love my kids and there will always be another KB ride around the corner. As for my wife, her work day will start at 5 am and finish at 9pm and don't forget the six hours of driving. She is awesome for supporting the family like that."

While one copy is being somewhat economical with the truth, I wonder which story would sell more newspapers?

So here I am on KB watching people prattling on about an image created largely by a tiny minority and inflated way out of proportion by media that exists purely to make a profit by any means possible.

You suckers.:baby:

My perception of racists goes beyond color. I see them as being the lowest denominator in society, and they put themselves there. If there are no foreigners around, then hate the outsiders for their religion, take that away, hate the outsiders not born in your town, take away that, hate the ones not born in your family. These people will always find the lowest denominator. After excluding all other social contact, thats when their own brothers and sisters rumps look tastier than the raw bloody steaks on their own plates.

So why don't the borderline racists posting on this thread go and get on your bikes, go for a ride and seek illumination, or I might get CYPHS onto yous :scooter:

[MSTRS]

I dunno what happened to 'the ride'...YT and I did the reverse direction to their plan, but never saw anyone we knew. We did give your road a cheery wave as we went past...

[Finn]

Can see there's fuck all Maori on Kb,Everyone seems to say they don't care about it but seems to say a whole lot.

Seems we just found one.

[Disco Dan]

I thought today was the only day you can walk into a dairy and get a pack of smokes in exchange for a blanket...

[Disco Dan]

...or prance up to Helen Clark with a musket and blanket and tell her you now own her house.

[merv]

Hey Hitcher hope your Waitangi Day ride to Akitio was great. I got some nice pics of your Mrs that I've posted over on our ride story and pics thread here http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=66599

Not much whining where we went today - except perhaps the windturbines.

[yungatart]

We had a lovely Waitangi Day. Took the opportunity to explore parts of the countryside that we were not familiar with. A good way to celebrate really!

[Hitcher]

Akitio was outstanding. It's always great to explore new roads and end up somewhere one hasn't been before. Good practice for July and August!