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skidMark

9th February 2008, 21:29

The Coro Loop has claimed these KBers.
Loosebruce (Bruce) and DSS3 (Daryl) - 2nd December 2006
OldFart (Bruce) - 14th August 2005

RIP Lads.

Still think about Bruce everyday. Knee down all 3 of the crash site corners for the fella. ride in his memory, he was my idol.

I have never done the full loop....only kopu- whangamata and back to kopu.... and kopu - thames- coromandel town and back to kopu.

never arsed off there yet.

but if i go in a bike crash i want it to be down there.

or on the roads from auckland to kaiaua down the coast...between whitford and clevdon- kaiaua.

At least then ya knowi went with a fucking huge grin on my face.

fave road is whagamata road though. always will be.

Sunny day just let her fly ...140 round the 55's tipped right over knee down wrapping around through the cliffs.....blimin heaven i tell ya!

Until you see :Police:

then speed increases lol.

SM

DMNTD

9th February 2008, 21:36

@mmie

9th February 2008, 21:37

Fitting Tributes Guys

cowboyz

9th February 2008, 21:41

i was thinking skiddy was a fucking moron and now I am sure he is taking the piss cause NOONE could possibly be this fucking stupid.

skidMark

9th February 2008, 21:47

Are you looking to join the fallen SM? :scratch:

Not planning on it but shit happens.

Horse

9th February 2008, 21:50

Yep. A statement like "Knee down all 3 of the crash site corners for the fella" is top-class satire worthy of The Onion.

DMNTD

9th February 2008, 21:51

Not planning on it but shit happens.

Sure does...and a 99% higher chance if you're going to ride like that on the road too.
Do you honestly think the Man that you hold in such high regard wants you to join him yet?

Chronic attitude SM but hey you don't give a fark anyway so who cares huh?

crashe

9th February 2008, 21:55

Fitting Tributes Guys

I have been around the (full) Coro Loop three times now safely.
Last time around was back in the end of 2005 or early 2006

On that last time, I got stung on my right wrist by a very nasty bee in Whitianga and had to ride all the way home with the wrist hurting like hell.

I have also ridden the Coro Loop when it was also such a hot day that the tar was melted and damned dangerous to ride on. Everyone rode slow and carefully throu that. Some sportbikes had tar all over their tyres..... that it ruined the tyres. I rode up in the high centre part of the road which was interesting. I wouldn't want to ride in melted tar like that again.

It was on one of those three times around the Coro Loop that I rode with LooseBruce.....

I have/had ridden with Bruce on other occassions.

Zapf

9th February 2008, 22:05

Well I just completed by first Coro Loop and couldn't help wonder how many people have come to greif on this world class ride. I rode away unscathed but other on the ride werent so lucky.

Lets hear your stories and pay respect to all the bikes lost on this loop, RIP.

Its not the loop. The loop is a place where things could and can happen, and it can happen anywhere too.

There are more crashes there, why? It is people's riding. The loop is not as forgiving as your local street or backroad. People who ride at their limit or close to their limits are more likely to come to grief.

I have started riding the loop from the 1st day I joined KB. In fact it was my 1st ride and 1st KB ride, on my VTR250 with 50km's on the clock. With LB and Death... / Two Smoke. That was almost 3 years ago. I have ridden the loop over 50 times in the last few years yet I have not came to grief. Where is the logic in that.

As I say its not the loop, its the riding.

@mmie

9th February 2008, 22:09

Its not the loop. The loop is a place where things could and can happen, and it can happen anywhere too.

As I say its not the loop, its the riding.

Couldn't agree with you more!

McDuck

9th February 2008, 22:10

Its not the loop. The loop is a place where things could and can happen, and it can happen anywhere too.

There are more crashes there, why? It is people's riding. The loop is not as forgiving as your local street or backroad. People who ride at their limit or close to their limits are more likely to come to grief.

I have started riding the loop from the 1st day I joined KB. In fact it was my 1st ride and 1st KB ride, on my VTR250 with 50km's on the clock. With LB and Death... / Two Smoke. That was almost 3 years ago. I have ridden the loop over 50 times in the last few years yet I have not came to grief. Where is the logic in that.

As I say its not the loop, its the riding.

it is also the hype, makes people think that it is special and they can try that stuff on inside its limits. I almost went down because of it, and it was only words that sidecar bob gave me that stoped me pushing :love:

Forest

9th February 2008, 22:14

lossebruce (rip) and dess3 (rip) boath lost there lifes on the coro.

Head-on collisions don't cause themselves.

You can't blame them on the coro loop.

McDuck

9th February 2008, 22:20

Head-on collisions don't cause themselves.

You can't blame them on the coro loop.

I am not blaming the loop. I am blaming the shelf KB sports bike riders put it on. I was marely staiting that those two died on that pice of road.

Forest

9th February 2008, 23:20

I am not blaming the loop. I am blaming the shelf KB sports bike riders put it on. I was marely staiting that those two died on that pice of road.

Sorry about that - I misread your post.

enigma51

9th February 2008, 23:42

skidmark you need to grow up your not a child so don't act like one

MaxB

9th February 2008, 23:47

The number of inexperienced riders is the reason I don't do the loop on the weekends anymore. Last time I went was a Wednesday arvo.

I'll ride it alone or with someone I know very very well and can trust them with my life.

What I don't get is the attitude. These are public roads. Every rider should ride with attitude they are going to come home in one piece, even if it means not going hard out. If you didn't get your dream lap, so what? It gives you an excuse to come back another day.

Squiggles

10th February 2008, 00:00

nice road, not in the best condition at the moment, fun to ride on at a pace, but wouldnt push myself as its quite clear from the moment you start it that it wont be forgiving

Squiggles

10th February 2008, 00:01

The number of inexperienced riders is the reason I don't do the loop on the weekends anymore. Last time I went was a Wednesday arvo.

Its seems almost empty on tuesdays :msn-wink:

skidMark

10th February 2008, 01:27

Yep. A statement like "Knee down all 3 of the crash site corners for the fella" is top-class satire worthy of The Onion.

It's out of repect for my fallen mate.

I know the corners i am leaving alot in reserve.

I don't push it becasue the last thing i would ever want to do is take out the cross or something.

It's my way to pay tribute to my mate as a i go past, to say hey bro, look what i can do :D

he was everything i aspired to be, always gave me shit for my pristine condition knee sliders.

One day you will understand. Until then do not comment on things you do not understand

Cheers: skid

skidMark

10th February 2008, 01:28

nice road, not in the best condition at the moment, fun to ride on at a pace, but wouldnt push myself as its quite clear from the moment you start it that it wont be forgiving

Yeah when it says 25 on a corner on the loop they mean it :pinch:

slowpoke

10th February 2008, 02:51

Still think about Bruce everyday. Knee down all 3 of the crash site corners for the fella. ride in his memory, he was my idol.

I have never done the full loop....only kopu- whangamata and back to kopu.... and kopu - thames- coromandel town and back to kopu.

never arsed off there yet.

but if i go in a bike crash i want it to be down there.

or on the roads from auckland to kaiaua down the coast...between whitford and clevdon- kaiaua.

At least then ya knowi went with a fucking huge grin on my face.

fave road is whagamata road though. always will be.

Sunny day just let her fly ...140 round the 55's tipped right over knee down wrapping around through the cliffs.....blimin heaven i tell ya!

Until you see :Police:

then speed increases lol.

SM

Are you for fukkin' real? Someone please tell me this is a pisstake or troll.....anybody?

Fella, nobody goes with a "fucking huge grin" on their face. You go in a world of pain and confusion and regret:
"Is that my mangled arm over there by that car? Fuck I can't breathe! Waddaya mean take it easy, I can't take it easy when my mouth keeps filling with blood?! Why are they looking at me like that? Is that my bike revving fit to burst, bouncing against the limiter? aaaah quiet, thank god, except for the lady screaming, I mean screaming at her kids to "stay in the fucking car!".....uurgh, I can feel the bones in my chest grating together....fuck it hurts, man...no I mean it really hurts like somebody is twisting a huge knife in my chest....funny, my shoulder doesn't hurt at all...I can feel Davo pressing his favourite tee shirt against the ragged stump where my arm used to be but that's about it....blood everywhere...is that all mine?....the poor bugger is crying...I want to thank him, tell him I'm sorry but I just can't seem to take a breathe....oh man I...just....can't...seem...to get...any...air...fading, feel like I'm falling all over again......voices......screaming......going....... .going......................"gone

SM, try holding half your mates face on as he's lying on the side of the road, try having to ride home when your broken mate has just been loaded into an ambulance (or worse, dead) and your whole body is still shaking no matter how many shuddering deep breathes you try and take, try telling him as he's lying there that everything's ok when you know damn well that the ambo's are 20 minutes away and there's already more blood than you've seen in your life leaking over the road. Try dialling a mobile phone to make that call to his missus when you can't stop shaking enough to read/jab the numbers not having a clue what to say and your mouth feels like the bottom of a parrots cage.

I wonder where your "fucking huge grin" would be then....I wonder if you'd be grinning if you were the one lying broken on the road......
I don't really wonder, 'cos I know for a fact you'd be crying and snivelling and praying/begging just like the rest of us and you'd do anything, absolutely anything at all if you could only turn back the clock.

But hey, you don't have to listen to people like me spruiking on, you can just keep riding as you are and find out for yourself.......

jrandom

10th February 2008, 02:59

Are you for fukkin' real?

He's a fool. Ignore him.

Fella, nobody goes with a "fucking huge grin" on their face. You go in a world of pain and confusion and regret:
"Is that my mangled arm over there by that car? Fuck I can't breathe! Waddaya mean take it easy, I can't take it easy when my mouth keeps filling with blood?! Why are they looking at me like that? Is that my bike revving fit to burst, bouncing against the limiter? aaaah quiet, thank god, except for the lady screaming, I mean screaming at her kids to "stay in the fucking car!".....uurgh, I can feel the bones in my chest grating together....fuck it hurts, man...no I mean it really hurts like somebody is twisting a huge knife in my chest....funny, my shoulder doesn't hurt at all...I can feel Davo pressing his favourite tee shirt against the ragged stump where my arm used to be but that's about it....blood everywhere...is that all mine?....the poor bugger is crying...I want to thank him, tell him I'm sorry but I just can't seem to take a breathe....oh man I...just....can't...seem...to get...any...air...fading, feel like I'm falling all over again......voices......screaming......going....... .going......................"gone

That's the best post on this subject I've seen to date.

:yes:

bucket boy

10th February 2008, 03:52

I did the full loop on wednesday with a bunch of guys of here there was one young fellar that i was certain he was going to get the helicopter ride home
he was pushing that hard he was ending up on the white line on the other side of the road i just sat behind staying back waiting for it to happen when we got to whangas a couple of us said something to him witch he listened to

eliot-ness

10th February 2008, 06:09

Are you for fukkin' real? Someone please tell me this is a pisstake or troll.....anybody?

Fella, nobody goes with a "fucking huge grin" on their face. You go in a world of pain and confusion and regret:
"Is that my mangled arm over there by that car? Fuck I can't breathe! Waddaya mean take it easy, I can't take it easy when my mouth keeps filling with blood?! Why are they looking at me like that? Is that my bike revving fit to burst, bouncing against the limiter? aaaah quiet, thank god, except for the lady screaming, I mean screaming at her kids to "stay in the fucking car!".....uurgh, I can feel the bones in my chest grating together....fuck it hurts, man...no I mean it really hurts like somebody is twisting a huge knife in my chest....funny, my shoulder doesn't hurt at all...I can feel Davo pressing his favourite tee shirt against the ragged stump where my arm used to be but that's about it....blood everywhere...is that all mine?....the poor bugger is crying...I want to thank him, tell him I'm sorry but I just can't seem to take a breathe....oh man I...just....can't...seem...to get...any...air...fading, feel like I'm falling all over again......voices......screaming......going....... .going......................"gone

SM, try holding half your mates face on as he's lying on the side of the road, try having to ride home when your broken mate has just been loaded into an ambulance (or worse, dead) and your whole body is still shaking no matter how many shuddering deep breathes you try and take, try telling him as he's lying there that everything's ok when you know damn well that the ambo's are 20 minutes away and there's already more blood than you've seen in your life leaking over the road. Try dialling a mobile phone to make that call to his missus when you can't stop shaking enough to read/jab the numbers not having a clue what to say and your mouth feels like the bottom of a parrots cage.

I wonder where your "fucking huge grin" would be then....I wonder if you'd be grinning if you were the one lying broken on the road......
I don't really wonder, 'cos I know for a fact you'd be crying and snivelling and praying/begging just like the rest of us and you'd do anything, absolutely anything at all if you could only turn back the clock.

But hey, you don't have to listen to people like me spruiking on, you can just keep riding as you are and find out for yourself.......

Brilliant. That post should be required reading for all new bikers, and those among us who never seem to learn.

ital916

10th February 2008, 06:16

Are you for fukkin' real? Someone please tell me this is a pisstake or troll.....anybody?

Fella, nobody goes with a "fucking huge grin" on their face. You go in a world of pain and confusion and regret:
"Is that my mangled arm over there by that car? Fuck I can't breathe! Waddaya mean take it easy, I can't take it easy when my mouth keeps filling with blood?! Why are they looking at me like that? Is that my bike revving fit to burst, bouncing against the limiter? aaaah quiet, thank god, except for the lady screaming, I mean screaming at her kids to "stay in the fucking car!".....uurgh, I can feel the bones in my chest grating together....fuck it hurts, man...no I mean it really hurts like somebody is twisting a huge knife in my chest....funny, my shoulder doesn't hurt at all...I can feel Davo pressing his favourite tee shirt against the ragged stump where my arm used to be but that's about it....blood everywhere...is that all mine?....the poor bugger is crying...I want to thank him, tell him I'm sorry but I just can't seem to take a breathe....oh man I...just....can't...seem...to get...any...air...fading, feel like I'm falling all over again......voices......screaming......going....... .going......................"gone

SM, try holding half your mates face on as he's lying on the side of the road, try having to ride home when your broken mate has just been loaded into an ambulance (or worse, dead) and your whole body is still shaking no matter how many shuddering deep breathes you try and take, try telling him as he's lying there that everything's ok when you know damn well that the ambo's are 20 minutes away and there's already more blood than you've seen in your life leaking over the road. Try dialling a mobile phone to make that call to his missus when you can't stop shaking enough to read/jab the numbers not having a clue what to say and your mouth feels like the bottom of a parrots cage.

I wonder where your "fucking huge grin" would be then....I wonder if you'd be grinning if you were the one lying broken on the road......
I don't really wonder, 'cos I know for a fact you'd be crying and snivelling and praying/begging just like the rest of us and you'd do anything, absolutely anything at all if you could only turn back the clock.

But hey, you don't have to listen to people like me spruiking on, you can just keep riding as you are and find out for yourself.......

+1 Agreed! Crashes are not fun. Good post, scarily eye opening. Sent shivers down my spine. I never want to see a rider go down again *ehab that mean you too bro, no exceptions*, and skidmark, I would you rather have a "huge fucking grin" after getting home safe than them not being able to tell if your smiling or not.

gunnyrob

10th February 2008, 06:53

:niceone:

Me too.

Coro loop is not a race track. Ride to the conditions & enjoy some of the most fun roads in northern NZ. Go for smoothness other than speed & carve up the corners safely.

RT527

10th February 2008, 07:01

Subike

10th February 2008, 07:07

never been on the loop
if I ever go to Auckland I will do it
Sounds to me like a road where Pace not race would be more enjoyable
I enjoy the twistys bits over,down and around hills as much as anybody else
But Pace myself rather than try and go as fast as possibile...
I think thats more fun, more relaxing,
Corro loop sounds like a ride I will enjoy one day
I guess there are similar roads down here on the mainland

Enjoy a hot pace....dont die in the race

RT527

10th February 2008, 07:13

Are you for fukkin' real? Someone please tell me this is a pisstake or troll.....anybody?

Fella, nobody goes with a "fucking huge grin" on their face. You go in a world of pain and confusion and regret:
"Is that my mangled arm over there by that car? Fuck I can't breathe! Waddaya mean take it easy, I can't take it easy when my mouth keeps filling with blood?! Why are they looking at me like that? Is that my bike revving fit to burst, bouncing against the limiter? aaaah quiet, thank god, except for the lady screaming, I mean screaming at her kids to "stay in the fucking car!".....uurgh, I can feel the bones in my chest grating together....fuck it hurts, man...no I mean it really hurts like somebody is twisting a huge knife in my chest....funny, my shoulder doesn't hurt at all...I can feel Davo pressing his favourite tee shirt against the ragged stump where my arm used to be but that's about it....blood everywhere...is that all mine?....the poor bugger is crying...I want to thank him, tell him I'm sorry but I just can't seem to take a breathe....oh man I...just....can't...seem...to get...any...air...fading, feel like I'm falling all over again......voices......screaming......going....... .going......................"gone

SM, try holding half your mates face on as he's lying on the side of the road, try having to ride home when your broken mate has just been loaded into an ambulance (or worse, dead) and your whole body is still shaking no matter how many shuddering deep breathes you try and take, try telling him as he's lying there that everything's ok when you know damn well that the ambo's are 20 minutes away and there's already more blood than you've seen in your life leaking over the road. Try dialling a mobile phone to make that call to his missus when you can't stop shaking enough to read/jab the numbers not having a clue what to say and your mouth feels like the bottom of a parrots cage.

I wonder where your "fucking huge grin" would be then....I wonder if you'd be grinning if you were the one lying broken on the road......
I don't really wonder, 'cos I know for a fact you'd be crying and snivelling and praying/begging just like the rest of us and you'd do anything, absolutely anything at all if you could only turn back the clock.

But hey, you don't have to listen to people like me spruiking on, you can just keep riding as you are and find out for yourself.......

I have seen this on many an occasion, while most of the time Actually prolly more like 99% of the time I don't know the people, it still affects me.....I notice the difference in my attitude...my wife cops it, my kids, my workmates, my bosses, so those soughts of things don't just affect the victims and their family's it can affect upwards of 50 or 60 people just on the emergency services side of it.

RT527

10th February 2008, 07:16

Also people they are doing loads of rd works on the road between Whitianga and Kopu, so be extremely careful .

Blackbird

10th February 2008, 07:26

cowboyz

10th February 2008, 07:58

He's a fool. Ignore him.

That's the best post on this subject I've seen to date.

:yes:

agreed. That post should be framed and put up as a sticky.

Scene of accidents aside there is nothing worse than a visit from the police in the middle of the night that starts with "Sir, I am sorry to inform you ........"
Skiddy and I have crossed threads more than I like recently and although I really want to shake my head and walk away I pity the poor cop who is on duty on the day that is coming who has to give a speech that can only be read off a script. There is a RIP thread coming for skiddy. I have no doubt at all about it. His "friends" are far too busy defending his "illness" to give him a slap round the ears and let him know that this stuff is not ok.
I can only hope that no one else gets taken out at the same time.

I think this thread epitomises the difference between good riders on this site and those who equate fast with being a good rider. Good riders always ride to the conditions. Then there's the others who have no idea about scanning the road and surroundings for potential hazards.

Absolutely!

madandy

10th February 2008, 08:07

I think this thread epitomises the difference between good riders on this site and those who equate fast with being a good rider. Good riders always ride to the conditions. Then there's the others who have no idea about scanning the road and surroundings for potential hazards.

Indeed - I do wish some would get a bucket or just take thier bikes to a damn track and go racing...
SM has x-ray vision though and scans THROUGH the rock wall while rounding 45km/h bends at 140km/h.
He also has USD forks, which enable him to scrape fairings and engine casings before scrubbing off his chicken strips...:bash:
Just as well it's your bike that's in a box right now!

Her_C4

10th February 2008, 08:13

Are you for fukkin' real? Someone please tell me this is a pisstake or troll.....anybody?

and the rest of a bloody brilliant post......

Excellent post Slowpoke. Bling duly awarded. Should be made mandatory reading to all bikers.

I am fortunate enough to not have had first hand experience of such a traumatising event, and I pick and choose who I ride with accordingly in the hope that I never will.

:scooter::yes:

Tank

10th February 2008, 08:28

It's out of repect for my fallen mate.

......

It's my way to pay tribute to my mate as a i go past, to say hey bro, look what i can do :D

......

You are really pathetic - I know that you have a "oh look at me, look at me, look what I can do" 5 year old mentality. Riding like that where someone died showing how "clever" you are is ridicilous. Remember that is where he died - are you that much better rider than he was?

I dont know the guy, but can only imaging him there looking down saying "slow the fuck down - I dont want you joining me" - not "way to go Skidmark"

Tank

10th February 2008, 08:29

Not planning on it but shit happens.

That is the devil may care attitude that will kill ya - or worse cause you to kill someone else.

Idiots like you should never be allowed back on the road.

The Pastor

10th February 2008, 08:38

skidmark is ok.

Just crazy.

Trust him to completly take over a thread, yet again.

MSTRS

10th February 2008, 08:46

That is the devil may care attitude that will kill ya - or worse cause you to kill someone else.

Idiots like you should never be allowed back on the road.

That is the biggest problem with his attitude and level of immaturity...he can't see past his own ego, so can never understand consequences.
140 thru a 55? His 'tribute' to Bruce and Daryl? Spare us, please.

cowboyz

10th February 2008, 08:47

skidmark is ok.

Just crazy.

Trust him to completly take over a thread, yet again.

Skidmark is NOT ok.
What Skidmark posts are NOT ok.
Skidmarks attitude is NOT ok.
Did you happen to notice my post about his friends condoning Skidmarks actions?
Because thats exactly what you have just done.

T.I.E

10th February 2008, 08:50

SM has said some stuff thats making me cringe.
but listen to what he is saying.
riders from one to another......
"ya knee sliders are clean"
"got your knee down yet?"
"look at the size of ya chicken strips!"
words of encouragement?
i have heard these comments from many riders. and some that have written on here.
reading this thread i look back and think shit ive said things in the past too. as a joke but did anyone take it seriously?
carefull what we say out there, even to the younger or more impressionable ones.
so lets stop bagging him and help him instead.

BUT

Coroloop is an amazing place huge amounts of fun, scenic as hell. worth a visit.

McJim

10th February 2008, 08:55

Toaster

10th February 2008, 09:00

His "friends" are far too busy defending his "illness" to give him a slap round the ears and let him know that this stuff is not ok.
I can only hope that no one else gets taken out at the same time.

Agreed. They are just as weak and make wet excuses. He also needs a good old kick up the arse. We don't want to share the public roads we enjoy so much with an idiot like that.

cowboyz

10th February 2008, 09:03

I truely do apologize in advance and struggling to post the following because of two reasons.
1. I never knew them
2. it is really bad to speak ill of the passed.

BUT

With all due respect the comments come from someone who is now dead.

I dont care how good you think you are. If you are wrong on the road the consequences are often fatal.

I do hear what you are saying though. In our small group we kid around. Someone will show up at a stop after a challenging set of twisties and no doubt someone will pipe up with "where you been, stop for a coffee or something?"
But it really is in good humour and it is different. We have a select core group and those who have survived in the group are those who are solid, safe riders. There has been a few come and go over time but those with egos bigger than their skillset dont last long in our group. I like it like that and hope it stays that way.
I will also qualify this by saying that there has been bins on our rides from time to time. But it is never ok. Sure you want to make sure the rider is ok but anyone who bins on one of our rides will soon know that unless it was a lightening strike or act of alien then it is not ok and they better take a look at what they were doing and change something or they simply are not welcome. I have not and will never apologise for this.
I am not a saint either. I have been told off for my riding from time to time and feel priviliaged to ride with a group that although of my repuation for being egotistical my fellow riders have no bones about calling me out and I respect them more for it.

Iggy

10th February 2008, 09:10

Well said slowpoke :2thumbsup I live to ride, not cause grief to people who are important to me:nono:

Quasievil

10th February 2008, 09:17

Still think about Bruce everyday. Knee down all 3 of the crash site corners for the fella. ride in his memory, he was my idol.
SM

having known Bruce for a long time and ridden with him on many occasions he would have to rate as one of the worst riders I have ever known, he was crashing all the time, he was always in trouble with the cops and lastly he died riding and killed DSS3 by doing a dumshite wheelie into a corner.
I know as I was there watching him Knee on the ground and exiting on one wheel ..................... good rider NAH!

and for those that want more info (always keen to repeat for the bennifit of slowing some riders down) Check out this nice Coro Loop report

http://quasizxrquasimoto.spaces.live.com/

babyblade250rr

10th February 2008, 09:23

Are you for fukkin' real? Someone please tell me this is a pisstake or troll.....anybody?

Fella, nobody goes with a "fucking huge grin" on their face. You go in a world of pain and confusion and regret:
"Is that my mangled arm over there by that car? Fuck I can't breathe! Waddaya mean take it easy, I can't take it easy when my mouth keeps filling with blood?! Why are they looking at me like that? Is that my bike revving fit to burst, bouncing against the limiter? aaaah quiet, thank god, except for the lady screaming, I mean screaming at her kids to "stay in the fucking car!".....uurgh, I can feel the bones in my chest grating together....fuck it hurts, man...no I mean it really hurts like somebody is twisting a huge knife in my chest....funny, my shoulder doesn't hurt at all...I can feel Davo pressing his favourite tee shirt against the ragged stump where my arm used to be but that's about it....blood everywhere...is that all mine?....the poor bugger is crying...I want to thank him, tell him I'm sorry but I just can't seem to take a breathe....oh man I...just....can't...seem...to get...any...air...fading, feel like I'm falling all over again......voices......screaming......going....... .going......................"gone

SM, try holding half your mates face on as he's lying on the side of the road, try having to ride home when your broken mate has just been loaded into an ambulance (or worse, dead) and your whole body is still shaking no matter how many shuddering deep breathes you try and take, try telling him as he's lying there that everything's ok when you know damn well that the ambo's are 20 minutes away and there's already more blood than you've seen in your life leaking over the road. Try dialling a mobile phone to make that call to his missus when you can't stop shaking enough to read/jab the numbers not having a clue what to say and your mouth feels like the bottom of a parrots cage.

I wonder where your "fucking huge grin" would be then....I wonder if you'd be grinning if you were the one lying broken on the road......
I don't really wonder, 'cos I know for a fact you'd be crying and snivelling and praying/begging just like the rest of us and you'd do anything, absolutely anything at all if you could only turn back the clock.

But hey, you don't have to listen to people like me spruiking on, you can just keep riding as you are and find out for yourself.......

That was deep mate, and i totally understand what your saying gosh shocked me quite abit infact, great explaination hope it gets through to those whom don't understand

HenryDorsetCase

10th February 2008, 09:25

HenryDorsetCase

10th February 2008, 09:28

Still think about Bruce everyday. Knee down all 3 of the crash site corners for the fella.

<snip>

Sunny day just let her fly ...140 round the 55's tipped right over knee down wrapping around through the cliffs.....blimin heaven i tell ya!

Hopefully you are taking the piss. If not you are an idiot.

MSTRS

10th February 2008, 09:28

skidmark is ok. No, he's not.

Just crazy. No, but he is stupid.

Trust him to completly take over a thread, yet again.Cos 'we' let him

Just a suggestion...if we all put SM on ignore, he would be denied an audience...

HenryDorsetCase

10th February 2008, 09:38

Just a suggestion...if we all put SM on ignore, he would be denied an audience...

you must spread blah blah

done, and done.

Bruiser

10th February 2008, 09:45

Are you for fukkin' real? Someone please tell me this is a pisstake or troll.....anybody?

Fella, nobody goes with a "fucking huge grin" on their face. You go in a world of pain and confusion and regret:
"Is that my mangled arm over there by that car? Fuck I can't breathe! Waddaya mean take it easy, I can't take it easy when my mouth keeps filling with blood?! Why are they looking at me like that? Is that my bike revving fit to burst, bouncing against the limiter? aaaah quiet, thank god, except for the lady screaming, I mean screaming at her kids to "stay in the fucking car!".....uurgh, I can feel the bones in my chest grating together....fuck it hurts, man...no I mean it really hurts like somebody is twisting a huge knife in my chest....funny, my shoulder doesn't hurt at all...I can feel Davo pressing his favourite tee shirt against the ragged stump where my arm used to be but that's about it....blood everywhere...is that all mine?....the poor bugger is crying...I want to thank him, tell him I'm sorry but I just can't seem to take a breathe....oh man I...just....can't...seem...to get...any...air...fading, feel like I'm falling all over again......voices......screaming......going....... .going......................"gone

SM, try holding half your mates face on as he's lying on the side of the road, try having to ride home when your broken mate has just been loaded into an ambulance (or worse, dead) and your whole body is still shaking no matter how many shuddering deep breathes you try and take, try telling him as he's lying there that everything's ok when you know damn well that the ambo's are 20 minutes away and there's already more blood than you've seen in your life leaking over the road. Try dialling a mobile phone to make that call to his missus when you can't stop shaking enough to read/jab the numbers not having a clue what to say and your mouth feels like the bottom of a parrots cage.

I wonder where your "fucking huge grin" would be then....I wonder if you'd be grinning if you were the one lying broken on the road......
I don't really wonder, 'cos I know for a fact you'd be crying and snivelling and praying/begging just like the rest of us and you'd do anything, absolutely anything at all if you could only turn back the clock.

But hey, you don't have to listen to people like me spruiking on, you can just keep riding as you are and find out for yourself.......

Your post should be required reading for all new riders, and SM. What a shame his ego will get only a guaranteed smartass response rather than reason and intelligence.

Bling awarded!

sAsLEX

10th February 2008, 09:56

In many ways it is reminiscent of the romanticism of dying in combat. Nowadays we know that ain't pretty but it was seen as "oh so noble" in 1910. I don't really give a wet slap what the Kalamari Kid thinks, my only worry is that new people to biking and to the site might think he's some sort of cool bastard and think he has some useful advice.

If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est
Pro patria mori.

Jantar

10th February 2008, 10:00

... Knee down all 3 of the crash site corners for the fella. ....

I know the corners i am leaving alot in reserve.

:lol: :lol:

...140 round the 55's tipped right over knee down wrapping around through the cliffs.....

I don't push it becasue the last thing i would ever want to do is take out the cross or something.

What is difference between Ironic and Moronic?

Quasievil

10th February 2008, 10:07

but if i go in a bike crash i want it to be down there.

or on the roads from auckland to kaiaua down the coast...between whitford and clevdon- kaiaua.

At least then ya knowi went with a fucking huge grin on my face.

SM

Funny thing is thats what Bruce said, however when we identified the body I didnt notice a grin.

R6_kid

10th February 2008, 10:26

Being told i was leaving black lines out of corners was a pretty cool feeling, and the feeling of getting 'respect' was unbeatable... then I let it go to my head and put myself and my bike in a tree.

Missed hitting a tree head on by about 20cm - that would've surely put me in a wheel chair, the tree certainly didnt move when my bike hit it.

Slowed down quite a bit from then on, i've been back to Coro since, but respect it for what it is. The race track is at Taupo, not Thames.

Nothing beats riding with a whole lot in reserve, riding smoothly through the corners trying to link up all the lines for one fluid pass, and then arriving home in one piece without having to pull anyone out of a ditch.

@mmie

10th February 2008, 10:42

having known Bruce for a long time and ridden with him on many occasions he would have to rate as one of the worst riders I have ever known, he was crashing all the time, he was always in trouble with the cops and lastly he died riding and killed DSS3 by doing a dumshite wheelie into a corner.
I know as I was there watching him Knee on the ground and exiting on one wheel ..................... good rider NAH!

and for those that want more info (always keen to repeat for the bennifit of slowing some riders down) Check out this nice Coro Loop report

http://quasizxrquasimoto.spaces.live.com/

Shit bro that is...well what can you say...

I think a moments silence to reflect on those family/friends effected by this tragic accident.......................................... .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .........

Ride safe out there.

ynot slow

10th February 2008, 11:20

Shit bro that is...well what can you say...

I think a moments silence to reflect on those family/friends effected by this tragic accident.......................................... .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .........

Ride safe out there.

Ditto there as well,how did you manage writing that Brett,so farkin sad,what more can be said.

ynot slow

10th February 2008, 11:24

Agreed. They are just as weak and make wet excuses. He also needs a good old kick up the arse. We don't want to share the public roads we enjoy so much with an idiot like that.

Not sure if skiddys folks are alive,but he could take them out whilst driving,how would he feel then,if they are on the road at the time he is on the loop,heaven help them travelling towards each other,come around a 35km corner,then see a bike doing 140km towards them, shortly to be their bonnet emblem.

sugilite

10th February 2008, 12:31

It's out of repect for my fallen mate.

I know the corners i am leaving alot in reserve.

Cheers: skid

Your knee is on the deck, what exactly is it you have in reserve, your arse or your head?

As for the coro loop, yeah, I did the huge kb figure of eight coro loop ride in late 06, fantastic people, fantastic roads, BUT...traffic, traffic, traffic. That makes the road that much more dangerous, fuck up and there is a high chance you will fuck off, for ever.

Sanx

10th February 2008, 12:41

Are you for fukkin' real? Someone please tell me this is a pisstake or troll.....anybody?

Fella, nobody goes with a "fucking huge grin" on their face. You go in a world of pain and confusion and regret:
"Is that my mangled arm over there by that car? Fuck I can't breathe! Waddaya mean take it easy, I can't take it easy when my mouth keeps filling with blood?! Why are they looking at me like that? Is that my bike revving fit to burst, bouncing against the limiter? aaaah quiet, thank god, except for the lady screaming, I mean screaming at her kids to "stay in the fucking car!".....uurgh, I can feel the bones in my chest grating together....fuck it hurts, man...no I mean it really hurts like somebody is twisting a huge knife in my chest....funny, my shoulder doesn't hurt at all...I can feel Davo pressing his favourite tee shirt against the ragged stump where my arm used to be but that's about it....blood everywhere...is that all mine?....the poor bugger is crying...I want to thank him, tell him I'm sorry but I just can't seem to take a breathe....oh man I...just....can't...seem...to get...any...air...fading, feel like I'm falling all over again......voices......screaming......going....... .going......................"gone

SM, try holding half your mates face on as he's lying on the side of the road, try having to ride home when your broken mate has just been loaded into an ambulance (or worse, dead) and your whole body is still shaking no matter how many shuddering deep breathes you try and take, try telling him as he's lying there that everything's ok when you know damn well that the ambo's are 20 minutes away and there's already more blood than you've seen in your life leaking over the road. Try dialling a mobile phone to make that call to his missus when you can't stop shaking enough to read/jab the numbers not having a clue what to say and your mouth feels like the bottom of a parrots cage.

I wonder where your "fucking huge grin" would be then....I wonder if you'd be grinning if you were the one lying broken on the road......
I don't really wonder, 'cos I know for a fact you'd be crying and snivelling and praying/begging just like the rest of us and you'd do anything, absolutely anything at all if you could only turn back the clock.

But hey, you don't have to listen to people like me spruiking on, you can just keep riding as you are and find out for yourself.......

Slowpoke. Just to reinforce what others have said ... that post is one of the most staggeringly powerful and evocative pieces of writing I have seen in a very long time. Bling has been awarded but it hardly seems sufficient.

Mark. Is there any point in saying anything to you? Probably not ... I hope it doesn't happen any time soon but if it does, I think I can suggest a suitable inscription for the headstone. "Inevitable". Please, if not for yourself, then for the other poor bastards who are unwittingly sharing the roads with you: grow the fuck up and do it soon.

Jiminy

10th February 2008, 12:47

(...) but if i go in a bike crash i want it to be down there.

(...)

Sunny day just let her fly ...140 round the 55's tipped right over knee down wrapping around through the cliffs.....blimin heaven i tell ya!

(...)

then speed increases lol.

Fucking hell, this post scares the hell out of me. For fuck sake, what will happen the day I'll be on the other side of that 55 corner and SM does a little mistake? No, not 'lol'!

Never seen someone calling so loud for his own tragedy. Hope he doesn't take anyone else along.

Just a suggestion...if we all put SM on ignore, he would be denied an audience...

He's a fool. Ignore him.

Yeah, but there would still be some newcomers to think he is cool!

Fella, nobody goes with a "fucking huge grin" on their face.

http://quasizxrquasimoto.spaces.live.com/

+1. Scary, real scary.

However, I am concerned that those who understand those posts might not be the ones needing it the most.

idleidolidyll

10th February 2008, 12:53

The coro loop is a wonderful piece of road but, like many NZ roads, it'll bite you in the arse if you're complacent.

I've read here that some think they 'know' every corner and are therefore able to knee down everywhere etc.

Frankly that's bullshit. The Isle of Mann is about a quarter the length and even the most experienced racers say you can never really learn it completely. Joey Dunlop, THE most experienced rider on it was killed by it.

Roads change with temperature, moisture and use as well as the obvious stuff like road works and gravel etc. To think you 'know' the coro absolutely and can ride it fast with impunity, is to sign your own death warrant with no fixed date.

my 'stye' on the road is to go in less than hard unless i can see ALL the way around the corner and come out hard as long as i can see the road.

late braking stuff on our highways will look great until that oil slick, gravel, bump or wet patch catches you out half way in and you highside it.

save the 10 tenths for the racetrack and live to be an old rider

jcupit69

10th February 2008, 12:58

Amazing post by slowpoke, and blinged out accordingly.
I agree with many others that this should be manditory reading for all new bikers. I bet if they read this or showed some pics at the basic training there wouldnt be as many arse holes like skidmark around on the roads giving bikers a bad name.
and to skidmark: just cus you want to be a prick on the roads dont forget your putting the rest of us at risk. Its people like you that give bikers a bad reputation as organ doners and fukwitts when really most of us enjoy biking for what it is and respect ourselves and other road users :spanking: your bike should stay in its box, by the sound of it its the best place for it for your safety and ours!!!

Pussy

10th February 2008, 12:59

Joey Dunlop, THE most experienced rider on it was killed by it.

Joey Dunlop wasn't killed at the Isle of Man

MSTRS

10th February 2008, 12:59

However, I am concerned that those who understand those posts might not be the ones needing it the most.

Exactly. I also note that those most in need of an attitude adjustment refuse to check out the results in the morgue when offered the chance.
Easy to ignore words, harder to do so with a real live (sic) vision of mortality. ????

idleidolidyll

10th February 2008, 13:05

Joey Dunlop wasn't killed at the Isle of Man

i stand corrected: North West?

of course that doesn't change a thing, too many extremely experienced riders have been killed on that road and to say you can 'know' it completely is ridiculous.

Jiminy

10th February 2008, 13:07

Exactly. I also note that those most in need of an attitude adjustment refuse to check out the results in the morgue when offered the chance.
Easy to ignore words, harder to do so with a real live (sic) vision of mortality. ????

Drifting a bit off topic here, but I had a thought on my last trip. When preparing for the Basic Handling Skills, our instructor had a few pictures of what can be done with a bike. What about a few more of what happens when you take the road for a track? Doesn't need to be morbid, just some thought-provoking pictures before sending unskilled riders on the road...

MDR2

10th February 2008, 13:18

my only worry is that new people to biking and to the site might think he's some sort of cool bastard and think he has some useful advice.

No worries of that here. (being relatively new myself)

emaN

10th February 2008, 13:29

i stand corrected: North West?
nope.
he crashed in eastern europe, Estonia i think, while racing at an event 'as a favour' kinda thing - they'd asked him to participate to increase the exposure of the event. i think he was racing a 125 or 250.

i cracked up when Skiddy wrote "do not comment on what you don't understand":blink:
isn't this from the guy who only posts "when he deems it necessary?!"

puddy

10th February 2008, 13:33

If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est
Pro patria mori.

......war poetry...............shit Siegfried, we are evolving! Thought I was on the wrong website!

idleidolidyll

10th February 2008, 13:40

got a point on topic or just trying to start an argument over nothing?

i've already corrected my post on the one point but again, that changes nothing about the content in releation to the Coro Loop.

to boast that you are some kind of expert and 'know' a 200 kilometer road so well you can ride it knee down with impunity is just signalling to the world that you are very likely to be seriously injured or killed on that road.

btw: i post when i want to, not at the whim of people i don't know and/or don't respect

puddy

10th February 2008, 13:46

having known Bruce for a long time and ridden with him on many occasions he would have to rate as one of the worst riders I have ever known, he was crashing all the time, he was always in trouble with the cops and lastly he died riding and killed DSS3 by doing a dumshite wheelie into a corner.
I know as I was there watching him Knee on the ground and exiting on one wheel ..................... good rider NAH!

and for those that want more info (always keen to repeat for the bennifit of slowing some riders down) Check out this nice Coro Loop report

http://quasizxrquasimoto.spaces.live.com/

It probably won't win you friends or anything, but hat off to you for saying so! Didn't know the people involved, but every time somebody speaks, or writes about the incident, it's like they were taken before their time through no fault of anybody's etc. The first time somebody told me about it my first thought was 'well somebody fucked up' ............ No disrespect to family or friends, but......................

Unit

10th February 2008, 13:48

it is also the hype, makes people think that it is special and they can try that stuff on inside its limits. I almost went down because of it, and it was only words that sidecar bob gave me that stoped me pushing :love:
Agreed re the reputation of the Coro, I know when we were living up north and it wasnt right on our doorstep it was portrayed as a race track road to be revered. Also remember, this is an international tourist destination, tourists who in their home country drive on the wrong side of the road, and their natural instinct when they get a scare (aggressive motorcyclists passing at warp speed within inches of them) is to revert to what they naturally know, drive on the wrong side of our roads.
We have ridden the coro a few times now especially since moving to the BOP. Usually if its a big group ride Chris and I both quietly scout the group for the potential riders we believe will most likely bin. Unfortunately, Ive managed to pick a few of them at the pre ride gathering, a talent I would rather not have. And as for my own riding, generally Im a very safe and cautious rider. However, yesterday I pushed it a little harder, and I made a very poor judgment call to overtake another car, worst Ive made and outside of my normal behaviour. I believe I am lucky to be sitting here today, and I know it was close as a good KB friend/rider was behind me and he was unsettled by what he saw.
We all need to respect our roads at all times, and this piece of road especially given the tightness of much of the stretches of road.

MSTRS

10th February 2008, 13:58

Even us "cautious riders" aren't above doing something silly at times.
Glad to hear you got away with it Annette.

yungatart

10th February 2008, 14:02

I've never ridden the Coro Loop, very much doubt that I ever will.
Why? Because I don't want to be on any road that is treated like a race track by a whole section of the community.
I have read many threads/posts about the Loop on KB and been shocked by the speeds some people claim they attain on a PUBLIC ROAD. That kind of attitude does not belong on a road, take it to the track, and until you can all do that, I choose to stay away.

Unit

10th February 2008, 14:05

Even us "cautious riders" aren't above doing something silly at times.
Glad to hear you got away with it Annette.
My point exactly and you picked up on it. Also I noticed I was bloody exhausted when we got home yesterday. Now I often do 400kms at a time Tauranga to Whangarei, at night in winter after a long week at work, but I was more shattered by the 300ish Kms we did yesterday through those coro twisties.

Pussy

10th February 2008, 14:35

i stand corrected: North West?

of course that doesn't change a thing, too many extremely experienced riders have been killed on that road and to say you can 'know' it completely is ridiculous.

No argument from me on that one!!

idleidolidyll

10th February 2008, 14:41

i can see the coro loop becoming a place i avoid like highway 16 north of auckland

too many motorcyclists doing dumb stuff and too many accidents.
the cops will blame speed when they end up filling it with speed cameras, unmarked cars and 'WOF checks'.

that's an excuse of course; it aint the speed, it's the ignorance, stupidity and bravado. If it were about speed, Shumacher and Aaron Slight would be already dead.

so the upshot?: dumb bikers will have fucked it up for us all

Katman

10th February 2008, 14:49

so the upshot?: dumb bikers will have fucked it up for us all

There's quite a few of us saying exactly that these days.:whistle:

Mully

10th February 2008, 15:02

isn't this from the guy who only posts "when he deems it necessary?!"

Wasn't Skidtard also leaving, then not leaving, then leaving again??

Forest

10th February 2008, 15:11

Agreed re the reputation of the Coro, I know when we were living up north and it wasnt right on our doorstep it was portrayed as a race track road to be revered.

I've seen that attitude as well.

Which makes me wonder how many other race-tracks come complete with tractors, boat trailers, and campervans.

Motu

10th February 2008, 15:16

Coro loop,Kaiaua loop,SH16,SH22 - have all become problem roads since they were sealed.I have ridden these roads for years,before they were sealed,after they were sealed,before KB,after KB.Sportsbike riders are an unadventuresome lot,they like perfect roads and don't like them to degenerate into a mess making them turn around and go back.So when word gets out about a nice road they can ride,they flock there.These roads were relatively unknown for many,many years,and even when they were sealed I saw few riders on them,now there are whole groups of riders doing them at speed,muscling cars off the road in their desire to get past and be the fastest in the group....or to just keep up.

I've found other roads now.....

beyond

10th February 2008, 15:24

It probably won't win you friends or anything, but hat off to you for saying so! Didn't know the people involved, but every time somebody speaks, or writes about the incident, it's like they were taken before their time through no fault of anybody's etc. The first time somebody told me about it my first thought was 'well somebody fucked up' ............ No disrespect to family or friends, but......................

I'm with you Puddy. Tell it like it is. This is the first time I have heard about actually what did happen on that day and I was riding in that group.
Hard call to lay it out there but at least it might wake a few up. It was a terrible day all around.

Yep, the Coro loop is often called The Coro GP. One of my friends went on his first KB ride on a Coro loop and heaps turned out. Five bins on that one ride and he nearly decided to never go on a another KB ride again. He perservered and has been on many since.

Personally I love those roads and have done the loop around 25 times since getting back into bikes. With the tourists and nutters in cars, it makes for a very high risk run and yes, many motorists seem to swing wide on corners, cut them, end up on your side of the road, but I've had that nearly everywhere I have ridden.

We can never change the fact that riding is a high risk activity no matter how careful you are yourself. Trouble is on a bike, you make a single error on a long ride and it can be your last. You can ride completely perfectly as well but someone in a cage or camper van makes an error and it could be your last ride as well. :(

McDuck

10th February 2008, 15:32

And personally i dont like this knee down bravado, sure on a track but on a road? What is the point of the big bikes? I dont see myself going above a 600 for a long time.

Swoop

10th February 2008, 15:37

Someone will show up at a stop after a challenging set of twisties and no doubt someone will pipe up with "where you been, stop for a coffee or something?"
Luckily that rider has the intelligence to ride their own ride, and to their own abilities.
Good on them.
Take my hat off to them, I will.

Wasn't Skidtard also leaving, then not leaving, then leaving again??
If you use the ignore function he can be gone for good...

pc220

10th February 2008, 15:37

Took the little scorpio around the loop this weekend. My first time up there. A great ride just best done at a speed that you can enjoy the scenery. Followed an Adventure bike from Whanga to Waihi in the wet. Just hung back and watched and learned how to ride safe in the wet. Whoever it was Thank You for being on the road at that time. Otherwise i think i may have stuggled to read the conditions.

MIXONE

10th February 2008, 16:04

never been on the loop
if I ever go to Auckland I will do it
Corro loop sounds like a ride I will enjoy one day
I guess there are similar roads down here on the mainland

Hawea up The Haast Pass(but not when it's raining),The Buller,The Coast Road tween Greymouth and Westport on to Karamea.I could go on and on but the BIG difference is fuckall traffic.Get out and explore!
To Skiddy and co.
There's old motorcyclists and bold motorcyclists but there aint no old bold motorcyclists

Donor

10th February 2008, 16:19

Funny thing is thats what Bruce said, however when we identified the body I didnt notice a grin.

I understand.

Only ever had to attend one dead biker, about 4 years ago.

Looking through his visor - seeing hollow, dull eyes... blood pissing out nose and mouth...

Sure as fuck don't remember thinking that he looked all that peaceful or content.

I can still see his face, as those who have attended other bike/car accidents will their first no doubt.

Good on you Mark, and good luck on attempting to be the worlds first smiling corpse - you'll go down in history.

Maha

10th February 2008, 16:27

Trust him to completly take over a thread, yet again.

That only happens cos people get sucked into replying to him....SM loves it!
They cant help themselves and to those who think im talking shit? you know im right ....on this occassion at least.

SixPackBack

10th February 2008, 16:42

i can see the coro loop becoming a place i avoid like highway 16 north of auckland

16 generally is a great road. Good seal, reasonably wide and something often over-looked great visibility with open flowing corners. All of this leading onto a nice tight little section towards the end with good grip.

Riders and drivers have died there and many licences lost, but its suitability as a fastish, safe road I believe is high, and certainly safer than the west coast of the coro loop [for instance].

Before I'm flamed no suggestion of 16 as a race track exists, but it's bad reputation is largely due to Police presence not danger level.

The Pastor

10th February 2008, 16:46

And personally i dont like this knee down bravado, sure on a track but on a road? What is the point of the big bikes? I dont see myself going above a 600 for a long time.
what has knee down got to do with big bikes?

Squiggles

10th February 2008, 16:46

Back to the topic.

I've never had any troubles on the loop, but i respect that its a very technical piece of road, not one to be taken lightly or to play games on. It's a luuurvly road to cruise on. Im not concerned about speed, just about getting that perfectly smooth corner which gives me the grin :D

Subike

10th February 2008, 16:51

Hawea up The Haast Pass(but not when it's raining),The Buller,The Coast Road tween Greymouth and Westport on to Karamea.I could go on and on but the BIG difference is fuckall traffic.Get out and explore!
To Skiddy and co.
There's old motorcyclists and bold motorcyclists but there aint no old bold motorcyclists

Just done the inland road Greta valley, Parnasas, Waiau, Kaikora, Greta valley for the third time in the past two weeks today,
It was a heap fun last wed with the CHCH mob,
and the sunday before that with the U-sisies club, Useless club if I was to comment on their poor riding habits,, downright dangerous
Love that road.:calm:
Did the Lewis Pass Buller Westport Grey Hoki run on the way to Woodstock
Awsome ride with fellow KB'ers

Have done the milford road at least 10 times from TeAnau and back ( only way you can do it anyway )

Hast Pass! yummy:third:

Now what was the name of the one up north , oh yeah, Takaka hill , cool:whistle:

The trip out to french pass is interesting:sweatdrop

Have I left any out? Probably

I want to see if these North Island roads match up with our south Island roads......and if the corro loop is all that it is made out to be then maybee I will add it to my list of good rides....but it better be good, as down here in the south we have some awfully good roads

Pace it not race it and you ride tomorrow as well!

idleidolidyll

10th February 2008, 16:55

I want to see if these North Island roads match up with our south Island roads......and if the corro loop is all that it is made out to be

they do, it is

the main difference is traffic volume

on the thames side of the coromandel, be EXTREMELY wary of boats on trailers and 4WD's crossing the centreline

fLaThEaD FreD

10th February 2008, 17:07

She has asked me to post her appreciation of you guys remembering Bruce and your friends..She does keep an eye on the postings still.:rockon:

Goblin

10th February 2008, 17:20

I want to see if these North Island roads match up with our south Island roads......and if the corro loop is all that it is made out to be then maybee I will add it to my list of good rides....but it better be good, as down here in the south we have some awfully good roads

Pace it not race it and you ride tomorrow as well!Just make sure you do it on a week day! Preferably not in any "holiday" season and you'll enjoy it. The traffic up here is chronic compared to down your ways. Mutter mutter..cant friggen wait to get back down there!

Pace is the way to go and when you do get to the Norf, let me know and I'll take you on some nice b roads around here. :yes:

My first KB ride was a Coro loop, but I had done it before, and there were a few bins. I can see how egos get outa control and away they go! Trying to be He-Man and prove what fantastic riders they are so I prefer riding by myself these days. Keep the hooning for the track!

kevfromcoro

10th February 2008, 17:29

Going to work last sat morning and heres an accident at Thorntons bay.
2 cages ,going like stink.must of touched each other.
one went on the beach side and rolled about 50 mtrs on the rocks
2 girls inside ..one dead and the other traped inside.
the other car went left and ended up in a very large ditch.
6 occupants. 4 injured. not a pleasant site at 5 am
speed was a large factor here.. not sure about alcahol.
take it easy on these roads..can be dangerous.
5 mins earlier and these two would have gone over top of me.

cowboyz

10th February 2008, 17:29

Luckily that rider has the intelligence to ride their own ride, and to their own abilities.
Good on them.
Take my hat off to them, I will.

Road riding is definitely a different culture down here. We might be all slow but, by god we are good looking........

RiderInBlack

10th February 2008, 18:08

Dam good reading. Many good and graphic reminders for us ta remember while we are out there enjoying the "thrill" of riding.
As much as Skid's remarks give me the shits, I look at the responses they have triggered, and think:
Without he's BS posts, would we be triggered ta post some of the most poignant posts on riding I have seen here (like http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...4&postcount=30 (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1419264&postcount=30) )?

I remember another rider here that was once like him. A lot of us were not keen ta ride with him because of it. Still alive, and (far as I know) has improved his riding habits over the years. I can only hope SM will also grow into a real "good" rider one day and really understand what has been posted here, but until then I hope never ta be on the same road the same time as him.

ital916

10th February 2008, 19:30

I just popped sm on my ignore list, dunno what the hell it does but it just aggravates me repeating a message over and over. If skidmark learns and does change good for him. If he doesn't, well lets just hope he doesn't hurt someone else. I've never met you skiddy and in person you might be a great guy, but the image you have put across to me *with me being a noob* is that your riding habits are not safe, and that a lot of the time you pose a danger to other road users as well as yourself. I may be wrong but hey thats what i'm getting. No offense but sharpen up. All I hear is that you've lost your license again, your riding a half track bike on the road, constantly speeding etc. I don't know why your so compelled to push so far when it's obvious that a mistake can lead to tragedy on the road. I really hope that you skiddy do not hurt an innocent person or yourself on the road. Nuff said, wise up, theres always time to change, but for fucks sake listen to the experienced people on this site man. Take in what people are saying. Some of the time, the best advice is the one that cuts the most.

Skyryder

10th February 2008, 19:34

Done the Coro once. It's too good a ride to do at speed. Stunning scenery that should be seen.

Skyryder

Swoop

10th February 2008, 19:57

We might be all slow but, by god we are good looking........
Damn. If those are the joining requirements, you might have yourself a new member!:scooter:

cowboyz

10th February 2008, 20:10

not if your avatars anything to go by. Sorry, we have fairly high standards and all animals must have 4 legs. Really am sorry, I dont make the rules, just have to enforce them.

ynot slow

10th February 2008, 20:12

not if your avatars anything to go by. Sorry, we have fairly high standards and all animals must have 4 legs. Really am sorry, I dont make the rules, just have to enforce them.

Hence the recruitment policy for animals called barr-braa.:bye:

MVnut

10th February 2008, 20:18

nope.
he crashed in eastern europe, Estonia i think, while racing at an event 'as a favour' kinda thing - they'd asked him to participate to increase the exposure of the event. i think he was racing a 125 or 250.

i cracked up when Skiddy wrote "do not comment on what you don't understand":blink:
isn't this from the guy who only posts "when he deems it necessary?!"

That's right, Tailinn in Estonia, riding a 125 (RIP Yer Maun)

PirateJafa

11th February 2008, 05:50

"It's not the speeding, it's how we're speeding."

MSTRS

11th February 2008, 08:24

"It's not the speeding, it's how we're speeding."

Fuck yeah. Time and place, eh?

DMNTD

11th February 2008, 10:28

So are we all agreeable that it's NOT the Coro Loop that is dangerous...it's the idiots attempting to do 140kmph around 55kmph corners that make it dangerous?

McDuck

11th February 2008, 10:30

So are we all agreeable that it's NOT the Coro Loop that is dangerous...it's the idiots attempting to do 140kmph around 55kmph corners that make it dangerous?
.
Agree....

enigma51

11th February 2008, 10:35

same here dmntd has a good point

onearmedbandit

11th February 2008, 10:39

Agree with DMNTD. Nothing is really all that dangerous, not even a nuclear weapon. That is until you add just the right amount of human stupidity.

deanohit

11th February 2008, 10:52

and all those bikes without upside down forks :dodge:

Mine binned, and look closely at the front, go the mighty Zongshen! :bleh:

nodrog

11th February 2008, 10:56

Mine binned, and look closely at the front, go the mighty Zongshen! :bleh:

its amazing what you find when you wash things aye? :niceone:

more_fasterer

11th February 2008, 11:56

So are we all agreeable that it's NOT the Coro Loop that is dangerous...it's the idiots attempting to do 140kmph around 55kmph corners that make it dangerous?

+1 vote here

Mikkel

11th February 2008, 12:05

So are we all agreeable that it's NOT the Coro Loop that is dangerous...it's the idiots attempting to do 140kmph around 55kmph corners that make it dangerous?

Agreed - with a modification... It's not just the Coro Loop!

because i know for a fact alot of you are so much worse.
...
i will sit down and have a serious chat with you. but a fight of some sort proves nothing you are double my size.
...
i'm sick of al these threads that single me out like i'm the most dangerous person in nz on a bike, it's bullshit.

Mark - you know jack shit, that is the only thing you have made clear beyond any reasonable doubt. I don't know you in person, I can't comment on your riding, but unless you got a rare flair for irony (see stuff like real ultimate power (http://www.realultimatepower.net/) for an example of what I mean) your posts doesn't leave you much hope.

And for sure - beating you up won't prove anything. Anyway, I didn't see anyone posting any written threats on here. Only one guy saying that he was looking forward to having a chat with you - and I do think you could do with an attitude adjustment.

Oh, and despite how hard you try I don't think you manage to claim :first: on being the most dangerous person on a bike in NZ... but perhaps on KB.

At least you should be off the roads for a while.

SPman

11th February 2008, 12:13

Back to the Coro thread........

Bruce wasn't called LOOSE Bruce for nothing. A stupid way for a really nice guy to go, but, not entirely unexpected. No Mark, you don't want to emulate him!

Oldfart (Bruce), (from conversations I had with people who should know), may well have been stung by a bee, immediately before his accident - it's the only way I can think what happened, happened, because he was usually the last person you would think would make a cock up of that magnitude. He was a GOOD rider,smooth, risk & ego free.

The first KB ride I went, to Whitianga and back, there were 2 bikes destroyed, one by a rider overestimating his abilities whilst underestimating his bikes abilities, and one through not making allowances for crap on the road. Other Coro runs I have seen behaviour that I thought would result in the meat wagon being called hither, good luck being the main saviour.

It's a great road in parts, just better when your ego is firmly packed away!

FROSTY

11th February 2008, 12:21

AND BACK ON TOPIC------
My experiences with the loop this particular time of year havent been fantastic. 2 reasons. =1)Idiot drivers make me nervous to commit to a corner in case Young billy in his zooom zook WRXHYXGWIZZ has fucked up and overcooked a corner.
and 2)Its so blardy hot I find the road surface is too darned greasy in the middle of the day.
Only my opinion mind you.

jafar

11th February 2008, 12:59

So are we all agreeable that it's NOT the Coro Loop that is dangerous...it's the idiots attempting to do 140kmph around 55kmph corners that make it dangerous?

This wouldn't be the very same DMNTD that sent a certain KaTey M for a lesson in SkidMark(s) on the self same Coro loop would it ? :clap::whistle:

p/t

DMNTD

11th February 2008, 13:04

This wouldn't be the very same DMNTD that sent a certain KaTey M for a lesson in SkidMark(s) on the self same Coro loop would it ?

LOL!! Doing 90kmph around a 100kmph corner and binning cause some bloody Honda dropped its diesel on the road...well,no one would've had a chance! :eek:

jafar

11th February 2008, 13:22

LOL!! Doing 90kmph around a 100kmph corner and binning cause some bloody Honda dropped its diesel on the road...well,no one would've had a chance! :eek:

:laugh: Sorry mate I couldn't resist :bleh:

Does highlight how fast things can happen out there though.

Cajun

11th February 2008, 13:24

:laugh: Sorry mate I couldn't resist :bleh:

Does highlight how fast things can happen out there though.

he didn't go down on the coro was paereo way, and was behind me so he had to be going slow.

jafar

11th February 2008, 13:29

he didn't go down on the coro was paereo way, and was behind me so he had to be going slow.

So he grated the lemon in paeroa ???:doh:
& I always thought they squeezed it .

Jimmy B

11th February 2008, 13:41

LOL!! Doing 90kmph around a 100kmph corner and binning cause some bloody Honda dropped its diesel on the road...well,no one would've had a chance! :eek:

Actually DMNTD, the truly accomplished rider utilises superior road craft and flairs their nostrils prior to entering a corner thereby enabling the rider to smell hazards such as diesel some distance prior to contact. This technique enables the rider to deploy suitable countermeasures, in this case, a handful of grit from the jacket pocket or tank bag to the road surface in a timely fashion thereby maintaining traction and composure through the corner..:devil2:

Seriously, Coro is not really any more dangerous than any of the roads that we ride and those who bin there are just as likely to bin anywhere else (bin ambivalent?) where you have a concentrated number of hazards over a relatively short stretch of road. Treat Coro like that and you will be sweet. :2thumbsup

Finn

11th February 2008, 14:29

I meant to post this here. Maybe a Mod can bring it over...

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1421324&postcount=228

Bonez

11th February 2008, 14:35

So he grated the lemon in paeroa ???:doh:
& I always thought they squeezed it .Squeezed tits?

swbarnett

11th February 2008, 15:20

Drifting a bit off topic here, but I had a thought on my last trip. When preparing for the Basic Handling Skills, our instructor had a few pictures of what can be done with a bike. What about a few more of what happens when you take the road for a track? Doesn't need to be morbid, just some thought-provoking pictures before sending unskilled riders on the road...
When I did the Coca Cola riding course in 1982 they had a theory evening where they showed slides of what happens if you don't wear the gear. The one I remember the most showed the vertical piece of a jandal lodged firmly in the middle of a foot right in front of the ankle joint. Certainly stopped me riding in anything but proper boots.

swbarnett

11th February 2008, 15:48

So are we all agreeable that it's NOT the Coro Loop that is dangerous...it's the idiots attempting to do 140kmph around 55kmph corners that make it dangerous?
Agreed.

There's almost no such thing as a dangerous road.

Maha

11th February 2008, 15:52

Agreed.

There's almost no such thing as a dangerous road.

That is a very pertinent view....coupled with what DMNTD said, the two add up quite nicely, its not hard to figure out the answer.

Badjelly

11th February 2008, 15:58

There's almost no such thing as a dangerous road.

Almost. Las month I rode a mountain bike down the North Yungas Road in Bolivia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yungas_Road

I think you could say that's a dangerous road.

swbarnett

11th February 2008, 16:09

Almost. Las month I rode a mountain bike down the North Yungas Road in Bolivia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yungas_Road

I think you could say that's a dangerous road.
Yep, this would have to qualify as one of the roads that made me include the word "almost".

My point really is that, in the NZ context, while there are many roads that are unforgiving there aren't many that are dangerous even when treated with care.

Unit

11th February 2008, 16:43

Done the Coro once. It's too good a ride to do at speed. Stunning scenery that should be seen.
Skyryder
True that:niceone:

Mom

11th February 2008, 16:55

My point really is that, in the NZ context, while there are many roads that are unforgiving there aren't many that are dangerous even when treated with care.

I agree! We live just south of one of the blackest bits of road as far as carnage goes. It is an unforgiving bit of highway make no bones about it. We even have cheesecutters and a reduced speed limit to prove it now.

This is a road that I have driven more times than I could ever count, including many years commuting on a bike and only once hit a patch of OMG! WTF! 2 up in the rain. I managed to stay upright, my pillion friend thought I was mucking around and wanted to go back and do it again! It is not the roads, it is the road users that are the problem.

FROSTY

11th February 2008, 17:33

Again I to a degree disagree--There is so much shit on our roads its a wonder we stay upright sometimes.

El Dopa

11th February 2008, 18:12

Almost. Last month I rode a mountain bike down the North Yungas Road in Bolivia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yungas_Road

I think you could say that's a dangerous road.

Did you need a separate trailer for your balls?

Badjelly

12th February 2008, 08:42

Did you need a separate trailer for your balls?
My usual transport is a Scorpio, mate. Does that answer your question?

There's a photo from the trip down the Yungas Road that I'm rather proud of. The group I was with had stopped at a curve and the guide had informed us that there was sheer drop at the road edge of 300 m ("And over here it's 500 m", he said). The photo shows all the members of the group, except one, standing on the edge holding their bikes over the drop. I was the exception, standing against the cliff on the other side of the road. I'm a bit nervous around big drops and there was no way I was going to look over that edge.

surfchick

12th February 2008, 11:20

bits of the full and half coro loop changes all the time -
last dec the the kopu-hikuai-whanga rd was sheer perfection. perfection all the seal was good, no works and not hot enough to melt.:2thumbsup

there's often pea gravel on the coro-thames section from trucks spilling it on the tight turns for some reason...poohs

last week the kopu-hikuai lower section had big works and the hikuai-whanga was melting :blink:

my parents live over there so i ride it all the time -not usually in big groups tho. i've got to say that the holiday season isn't really the best with towed boats taking generous chunks out of the corners. Actually that road writes off a good number of cars so I ride quick but give alot of consideration to the feel of the traffic about and back off unless I can SEE exactly the road surface and road ahead. blindies get more space and less speed.

the dilema with that neck of the woods is...mm to ride..or surf...ride or surf... luckily its flat sea alot so RIIIDDDEEE:2thumbsup

90s

12th February 2008, 13:41

Agree with all the comments on the road not beind dangerous in itself, if not treated as a racetrack. Its a stunning day out though for some nice riding and for views - its why I am in NZ. My profile pic was taken overlooking Cathedral Cove, 5mins from some excellent restaurants. What a fantastic life it is.
Imagine losing all that for trying to prove to someone unspecified that I am the racing man around the loop. No one is timing you. There's no podium. Do trackdays to race. Ride and enjoy it. Enjoy all life has to offer.

As for Skiddy, don't put him on the ignore list. I did 5000ks through the SI over Christmas, inc. all the passes and Buller gorge. I saw 100s of bikes (esp over the road out of Nelson to Picton - what the hell was going on there on Jan 2nd?) and there were a few that were lucky not to be toast - inc. a few on my side of the road I avioded and saved the lives of (did they realise?).
On the whole I reckon the KBers rode responsibly. But there's a lot of SkidMarks out there who never find KB, never learn bike control, and like to "go racing". Skiddy reminds me how many many bikers who never post here probably think. A sobering lesson.
Last weekend for example I spoke to a guy with a GSX-F like mine, but new. Heading off to the Coro - asked if I'd done it. He'd heard it was excellent. He also had no bike licence at all - just bought a bike. Just thought he could ride it. There's many on here who would say that is wrong, but be riding 600s on their L because "they know better". Sure.

As long as I think there might be one of this guy or one skidmark out there on the Coro I'll treat every corner as if they, a campercan or a 4x4 could be coming around it on the wrong side.
Lifes too short. I don't want mine any shorter.

Her_C4

12th February 2008, 14:04

Lifes too short. I don't want mine any shorter.

Excellent philosophy to have too... :wari:

I saw 100s of bikes (esp over the road out of Nelson to Picton - what the hell was going on there on Jan 2nd?)

Nelson Port Races? You missed it?? :gob:

90s

12th February 2008, 14:10

Excellent philosophy to have too... :wari:

Nelson Port Races? You missed it?? :gob:

Of course! (memory deficiency - growing old!). Yeah, missed it. Ferry to catch, work'n'all next day :weep:

skidMark

12th February 2008, 16:54

Almost. Las month I rode a mountain bike down the North Yungas Road in Bolivia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yungas_Road

I think you could say that's a dangerous road.

Woah, i wanna take the zxr down there!

looks frikking kick ass.:niceone:

iwilde

12th February 2008, 17:31

Woah, i wanna take the zxr down there!

looks frikking kick ass.:niceone:

Are you going to put the box of parts in the tuk tuk basket and peddal around the bends with your knee down?

SPman

12th February 2008, 17:41

Imagine losing all that for trying to prove to someone unspecified that I am the racing man around the loop. No one is timing you. There's no podium. Do trackdays to race. Ride and enjoy it. Enjoy all life has to offer
The trouble is, sometimes, the muse just takes you! The most important thing at the time, is to do this, (or that), stretch of road as quickly as you can!
And nothing! is as fulfilling as successfully dispatching a section of twisties, preferably a section you don't know all that well, with all the skill you can muster.
IMHO, beats track time nearly every time!

jafar

12th February 2008, 17:58

Woah, i wanna take the zxr down there!

looks frikking kick ass.:niceone:

you going to assemble the parts before you crash the zxr on some crap road in Bolivia ?:wacko:

Where is Bolivia anyway?:whistle:
& do they send ambulances out to idjits :shit:

MVnut

12th February 2008, 18:54

Where is Bolivia anyway?:whistle:
& do they send ambulances out to idjits :shit:

No, just Banditos !:lol::2guns::2guns:

90s

12th February 2008, 18:55

The trouble is, sometimes, the muse just takes you! The most important thing at the time, is to do this, (or that), stretch of road as quickly as you can!
And nothing! is as fulfilling as successfully dispatching a section of twisties, preferably a section you don't know all that well, with all the skill you can muster.
IMHO, beats track time nearly every time!

True - I've wound it up in the Coro to not-sensible speeds at times. I am a motorbiker after all, not a saint - nor would I claim to be! But although the muse takes me too its always the thought of the idiot round the corner that brings me back down to earth.
And then I enjoy the views even more.

ynot slow

12th February 2008, 19:47

No, just Banditos !:lol::2guns::2guns:

Butch Cassidy and Sundance Kid.

Titanium

13th February 2008, 22:37

yod

13th February 2008, 22:45

Are you going to put the box of parts in the tuk tuk basket and peddal around the bends with your knee down?

:rofl::laugh::killingme:clap::lol::niceone:

bling awarded

skidMark

14th February 2008, 02:18

You are a complete fcukwit!

Loose Bruce and DSS3 do not want you to ride that corner with your knee down at 155 kmh. To do so you are showing NO respect.

Clearly you were not there that day and did not experience the HORRIFIC aftermath of that crash. You did not have to ID one of the deceased in the back of the ambulance.

Show your respect by riding slow, stop at the memorial or give them a wave and look them in the eyes as you pass by!

You Sir do not deserve to ride those 3 corners!

i did not say that exact corner....i go through those corners below the speed limit.....knee down isnt hard.

i know what happened i have read quasi's write up. i ride the corners at slow speed. but stick my knee down, if there was any risk whatsoever of crashing i would not do it.i am going so slow to the point i can knee down the corner coming from the kopu end and pull over and stock in line with the cross without even trying...i always stop for about 20-30 mins...ball my eyes out then continue.

i knew bruce well too.

I used to stand at hell pizza with him for closing time some nights....talk for ages and the time would fly and it was 1am before we knew it. I would give anything to bring him back, but i cant. nobody can.

seriously no bullshit i do not gas it through there.

i know how sacred that site is, to others and myself.

through that part i ride at about 40% of my ability...leaving alot in reserve and at a speed if i come around and there is gravel or something i could save it. i open her up on the rest of the road though, i'm not denying that.

it's my favourite road.

ive said my bit. i obviously gave everybody the wrong impression in the first place, my apologies.

Mark.

cowboyz

14th February 2008, 05:42

you could not be more full of shit if you tried.

McDuck

14th February 2008, 10:09

you could not be more full of shit if you tried.

I agree....

90s

14th February 2008, 12:48

i ride at about 40% of my ability...leaving alot in reserve

Mark you write things like this a lot - you will have noted how many times people mock you for it. There is a reason - it is totally meaningless when you can't control the environment - bike; road; self; other riders; other traffic; cows; landslips; all variables. On a track day on a well-maintained bike you can control as much as is possible. On the road not much.

This way of thinking will get you killed on the road.
You don't want the priest at your funeral to say "and the funny thing was he still had 70% in reserve when that campervan totalled him".

I believe you had a lot of respect for Loose Bruce, and show that in your own way. But next time you pay homage there think about becoming a better rider than him. That means staying alive. And not causing harm. This is the only and ultimate test of being a good road rider.

swbarnett

14th February 2008, 13:02

That means staying alive. And not causing harm. This is the only and ultimate test of being a good road rider.
So someone who stays at home most of the time and only rides his 125cc farm bike 200m from paddock to paddock is a good road rider?

Don't get me wrong, I'm in no way trying to defend the way SM appears to ride but there's more to road riding than just staying alive.

90s

14th February 2008, 13:15

So someone who stays at home most of the time and only rides his 125cc farm bike 200m from paddock to paddock is a good road rider?

Don't get me wrong, I'm in no way trying to defend the way SM appears to ride but there's more to road riding than just staying alive.

No, there's much more to it than that. 200m paddock to paddock is not a rider in any meaningful sense at all though and is a deliberately poor example. The ultimate test I said - its the one test you can't fail. And if are 30 yrs riding you are still alive and haven't killed anyone else, I would say there is a reasonable argument that you have useful skills - and being able to take a corner on one wheel probably isn't the most important of these. "There are old rider, bold rider ... etc etc"
I do believe though for the road roadcraft over technical skill is what will keep you alive.

swbarnett

14th February 2008, 13:51

No, there's much more to it than that. 200m paddock to paddock is not a rider in any meaningful sense at all though and is a deliberately poor example. The ultimate test I said - its the one test you can't fail. And if are 30 yrs riding you are still alive and haven't killed anyone else, I would say there is a reasonable argument that you have useful skills - and being able to take a corner on one wheel probably isn't the most important of these. "There are old rider, bold rider ... etc etc"
I do believe though for the road roadcraft over technical skill is what will keep you alive.
Now that you explain it like that I can see that we are in agreement. A bit of context goes a long way.

I think your last line sums it up quite nicely.

swbarnett

14th February 2008, 14:08

I do believe though for the road roadcraft over technical skill is what will keep you alive.
After a bit more thinking I realised that I was thinking about drivers as a whole, including cages. There are plenty of cage drivers that are still alive after decades of driving that could not be said to be good drivers. I think for motorcyclists, however, you are bang on the money. Bikes are definitely less forgiving.

cowboyz

14th February 2008, 16:20

we were talking about this the other day and one comment summed it up quite nicely.

You can do whatever you want on the road as long as you do it delibrately. Even that needs to be qualified. I dont know how many times I have heard of someone in a group thinking someone else is riding dangerously and the rider in question thinking s/he is perfectly safe. If someone thinks you are riding dangerously then you have to think about where that info is coming from and think about if it might be true or not. First step is the check the ego and take a realitly pill and see where they are coming from. I dont know where skiddy gets his percentages from. If he is going round a 55k corner at 155 at 40% then that should mean he should be able to take the same corner at 310k/hr at 80% and still have another fifth in reserve. This makes me think why he is not giving 99% at the track and lapping taupo in 15 seconds.

McDuck

14th February 2008, 17:11

carver

14th February 2008, 18:56

Chrislost

14th February 2008, 19:19

on behalf of the "few"
the mormon few stunt crew that is
our favorite is between coro and whitianga.
its where we own everyone on a group ride

skid mark-you sound like easy prey.

the mormon few-skidmarks feared rivals

see you fuckers at taupo...

or puke...
or manfield...

or the funeral home...
or perhaps under a hedge with a fucked bike bwhahahaha

Usarka

14th February 2008, 19:25

see you fuckers at taupo...

Just ignore them, they're just like those gangsta wannabes standing on the street corners in sth auckland thinking they are bad ass mofo's.

scumdog

14th February 2008, 21:48

through that part i ride at about 40% of my ability...Mark.

About 10% over your TRUE ability if comments on KB are any indication.......

carver

15th February 2008, 05:30

see you fuckers at taupo...

or puke...
or manfield...

or the funeral home...
or perhaps under a hedge with a fucked bike bwhahahaha

fuck the track man

the roads where its at
we dont need perfect surfaces, or a surface we can memorize to go fast.

but i will be getting some "practice" at taupo on the 26th

cowboyz

15th February 2008, 06:08

yawn. the world is filling up with them. Why isnt darwin doing his job?

ynot slow

15th February 2008, 06:26

yawn. the world is filling up with them. Why isnt darwin doing his job?

Dawin aint doing his job,but a 40 tonne stock truck will,if they ride fast and STUPID in unfamiliar rural roads.

Titanium

15th February 2008, 07:54

fuck the track man

the roads where its at
we dont need perfect surfaces, or a surface we can memorize to go fast.

but i will be getting some "practice" at taupo on the 26th

Moron Fewer Stunted Cocks would be a better handle .......

Mikkel

15th February 2008, 08:07

yawn. the world is filling up with them. Why isnt darwin doing his job?

WINZ!

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carver

15th February 2008, 19:45

yawn. the world is filling up with them. Why isnt darwin doing his job?

keen to see more dead bikers eh?

Dawin aint doing his job,but a 40 tonne stock truck will,if they ride fast and STUPID in unfamiliar rural roads.

well, were all still alive and kicking

Moron Fewer Stunted Cocks would be a better handle .......

so..your trying to say that you dont like abnormal penises

WINZ!

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we all have jobs man

Chrislost

15th February 2008, 19:50

the roads where its at
we dont need perfect surfaces, or a surface we can memorize to go fast.
theres fast, and then theres fast... one WILL kill you on the road, one MAY kill you...

Mikkel

16th February 2008, 01:09

we all have jobs man

Good for you. You just didn't realise that my comment then wasn't directed at you... more towards "Why isn't Darwin doing his job". Now, try and guess what I implied. ;)

ynot slow

16th February 2008, 07:55

well, were all still alive and kicking

Cool and stay that way respect the fuckin road and people on it,as said trucks can't stop as fast as you guys can ride.40 tonne vs 200kg,like a big fat bee splat.

You are alive still,but my question is when you take out a fellow kb kid or partner or any family member I think you will need to run,and fast.

Oh and I'm not a saint on the road re speed,just that I don't do 160km on my bike,or pull wheelies,got over that by buying an XR200.IT175.TS185 and playing at it off road.To me going quick in gravel and grass surfaces is more fun than blasting at twice legal limit on the road.

carver

16th February 2008, 10:37

theres fast, and then theres fast... one WILL kill you on the road, one MAY kill you...

you ever noticed riding fast in a tricky area always feels faster (try riding through a mall on a pit bike)

Good for you. You just didn't realise that my comment then wasn't directed at you... more towards "Why isn't Darwin doing his job". Now, try and guess what I implied. ;)

yeah, cheers, some advice for zero index

Cool and stay that way respect the fuckin road and people on it,as said trucks can't stop as fast as you guys can ride.40 tonne vs 200kg,like a big fat bee splat.

You are alive still,but my question is when you take out a fellow kb kid or partner or any family member I think you will need to run,and fast.

Oh and I'm not a saint on the road re speed,just that I don't do 160km on my bike,or pull wheelies,got over that by buying an XR200.IT175.TS185 and playing at it off road.To me going quick in gravel and grass surfaces is more fun than blasting at twice legal limit on the road.

been there, done the grass/gravel stuff
i know what trucks stop like, i drive them!

Chrislost

16th February 2008, 17:45

Oh and I'm not a saint on the road re speed,just that I don't do 160km on my bike,or pull wheelies,got over that by buying an XR200.IT175.TS185 and playing at it off road.To me going quick in gravel and grass surfaces is more fun than blasting at twice legal limit on the road.

ha,hahahaha, hahahahahahah! ha!

160 fast?
you on a harley or somthing?

HornetBoy

16th February 2008, 18:09

ha,hahahaha, hahahahahahah! ha!

160 fast?
you on a harley or somthing?

lol not this who can go faster bull.s... <_< not everyones a Rossi junior

ynot slow

16th February 2008, 20:19

ha,hahahaha, hahahahahahah! ha!

160 fast?
you on a harley or somthing?

Well nope don't own a harley never will,just saying I don't treat the road as my personel track when on two wheels,mind you I did creep up to 160km on a straight piece of SH3,after a guy in an altessa zoomed by,got the accord up to the ton and radar beeped,lasted all of 5 seconds and road empty and dry and fine.Funny thing by the time we had gone 10km up the road he was only 3-400 mtr ahead due to cars ahead,and not able to pass safely.

Yep 160km is fast enough on a 20 yr bike,and fast enough to say cheerio to license,that means NO JOB,which means NO HOME,as no dough to pay mortgage,something when you get older could be of benefit.

idleidolidyll

22nd February 2008, 19:56

ha,hahahaha, hahahahahahah! ha!

160 fast?
you on a harley or somthing?

it is on most of the roads i ride

biggerbud

23rd February 2008, 01:26

Don't get caught.
Rule No 2 for speeding.
Don't stop instantly for any reason.
Other than that, go hard.

There are only two reasons for not obeying the above rules.
1 Bad luck
2 Stupidity

The result of not obeying the above rules can be quite serious.

By the sounds of it, statistically, your better off speeding than going into the public health system for surgery where bad luck and stupidity seem to reign.

This ads another dimension to the equasion as, if you broke rule No 2, you are most likely going to be entering the public health system, or the morgue, either way, statistically, your pretty well stuffed.

I worked with serious crash units for 3 years. Serious motorcycle accidents numbered about 7 for those units over those 3 years. Most were caused by bad luck, on the riders part, and a couple through stupidity. 1 was during an organised track race with professional riders.

As for the carnage - not pretty when it does all goes wrong.

justsomeguy

23rd February 2008, 01:34

been there, done the grass/gravel stuff
i know what trucks stop like, i drive them!

Riding fast is all good mate, as long as you don't take out someone else in the process.

How fast are you anyway? Most of the riders I see who claim to be fast ride like pussies. Kopu to Kopu big loop well under 1 hour 30mins minus stop times? Then you're respectable. Under 1 hour? Then you're actually F-A-S-T.

Katman

23rd February 2008, 10:04

How fast are you anyway? Most of the riders I see who claim to be fast ride like pussies. Kopu to Kopu big loop well under 1 hour 30mins minus stop times? Then you're respectable. Under 1 hour? Then you're actually F-A-S-T.

Now that sounds like a cock measuring contest, if ever I heard one.

justsomeguy

23rd February 2008, 10:16

Now that's a cock measuring contest, if ever I heard one.

So you never rode a piece of road you like and looked at the clock now and then huh?

Tempted to call you a liar if you say. "No".

Zapf

23rd February 2008, 10:57

real proof of your manhood is to ride Coro today!

justsomeguy

23rd February 2008, 10:58

real proof of your manhood is to ride Coro today!

Whats happening there?

Nagash

23rd February 2008, 11:02

Raining.. hard. Wind too :niceone:

carver

23rd February 2008, 12:39

Riding fast is all good mate, as long as you don't take out someone else in the process.

How fast are you anyway? Most of the riders I see who claim to be fast ride like pussies. Kopu to Kopu big loop well under 1 hour 30mins minus stop times? Then you're respectable. Under 1 hour? Then you're actually F-A-S-T.

hmmm..never timed it
but i belive that you got to ride at your own pace, and ride how you want where you want.
cause it pays to stay alive

NZsarge

23rd February 2008, 12:59

Manawatu crew are up that way to do the loop today, hope they flagged it and hit the piss instead...

RiderInBlack

23rd February 2008, 14:00

hmmm..never timed it
but i belive that you got to ride at your own pace, and ride how you want where you want.
cause it pays to stay aliveMy god Carver ya making sense:eek5: and I have ta agree with ya.

JSG, are ya going back ta ya old ways? You were very like Skiddie at ya worse. Suggesting a "who-can-go-the-fastest-pissing-match" especial around the Corro, is very stupid indeed.
Don't be so insecure in ya riding ability at ya feel ya have ta prove how fast ya are. A good rider doesn't have to prove him/herself to anyone.

Duc

23rd February 2008, 14:11

News item appropriate to this thread:

Motorcyclist just got hurt/killed somewhere over that way this morning.

cowboyz

23rd February 2008, 14:13

Edbear

23rd February 2008, 14:24

hmmm..never timed it
but i belive that you got to ride at your own pace, and ride how you want where you want.
cause it pays to stay alive

Yeah, apparently being dead doesn't pay well at all...

Bonez

23rd February 2008, 14:29

just a note to those who may be panicing a bit. The manawatu riders canned the loop ride this morning. None of us went that way. Few went all different directions and will hopefully hook up for the ride south tomorrow.Cheers for that Lance.

Ment to be shite here tomorrow so a wet ride south for you lot b the looks.

Pity for the poor person/s that got injured or worse.:shit:

justsomeguy

23rd February 2008, 17:17

My god Carver ya making sense:eek5: and I have ta agree with ya.

JSG, are ya going back ta ya old ways? You were very like Skiddie at ya worse. Suggesting a "who-can-go-the-fastest-pissing-match" especial around the Corro, is very stupid indeed.
Don't be so insecure in ya riding ability at ya feel ya have ta prove how fast ya are. A good rider doesn't have to prove him/herself to anyone.

Just teasing the guy D. He answered with unexpected maturity.

Dunno if I've improved. But forcing myself to take a year off should help put things in perspective. Only time will tell how I fare, currently I've really lost interest in road riding.

justsomeguy

23rd February 2008, 17:20

hmmm..never timed it
but i belive that you got to ride at your own pace, and ride how you want where you want.
cause it pays to stay alive

........ :niceone:

Biggles08

23rd February 2008, 19:03

idleidolidyll

27th February 2008, 19:09

show me a nice road and i'm gonna be bad this weekend................i can feel it..........bluetooth radars rock!

helen loses any chance of my vote if she passes that one!

Swoop

27th February 2008, 19:57

yawn. the world is filling up with them. Why isnt darwin doing his job?
Darwin has been particularly slack, recently.

Mikkel

27th February 2008, 21:44

Darwin has been particularly slack, recently.

Nah, I think he just managed to meet his quota pretty early in this month. Wait until the weekend and he'll get back at it...

New month - new quota. ;)

kevfromcoro

29th February 2008, 20:19

who was that goose going up the coast to-day.
kawasaki green sports bike,<Areint they all>..doing about 150ks passing cars on corners.only saw him for a few seconds.. but the way he was riding ..looks like a temporary NZr.
did someone let skid out of his box?

Mikkel

29th February 2008, 22:50

Could be Quasi - he's got a Kawa zx10r that he's wanting to get rid off ;)

skidMark

10th April 2008, 13:37

Katman

10th April 2008, 13:50

Never have i read such disrespect.

Well soak it up skidMark, because if you haven't changed any then that is how we're likely to be talking about you if you ever kark it through stupidity on a bike.

skidMark

10th April 2008, 13:50

who was that goose going up the coast to-day.
kawasaki green sports bike,<AREINT all they>..doing about 150ks passing cars on corners.only saw him for a few seconds.. but the way he was riding ..looks like a temporary NZr.
did someone let skid out of his box?

Wasn't me bro.

skidMark

10th April 2008, 13:51

Well soak it up skidMark, because if you haven't changed any then that is how we're likely to be talking about you if you ever kark it through stupidity on a bike.

If?........

lol.

skidMark

10th April 2008, 13:55

My god Carver ya making sense:eek5: and I have ta agree with ya.

JSG, are ya going back ta ya old ways? You were very like Skiddie at ya worse. Suggesting a "who-can-go-the-fastest-pissing-match" especial around the Corro, is very stupid indeed.
Don't be so insecure in ya riding ability at ya feel ya have ta prove how fast ya are. A good rider doesn't have to prove him/herself to anyone.

Are ya frikking kidding, JSG used to be 5 times worse than i ever was.

Cajun

10th April 2008, 14:00

Are ya frikking kidding, JSG used to be 5 times worse than i ever was.

some people grow up and learn, well some others do not

skidMark

10th April 2008, 14:01

some people grow up and learn, well some others do not

LOL

Time will tell

vifferman

10th April 2008, 14:17

Whelp, I've ridden around the Coro Mandel two times (that makes twice), and both times I crashed, the bike exploded into flames, and I died.
THE END.

McDuck

10th April 2008, 15:57

Whelp, I've ridden around the Coro Mandel two times (that makes twice), and both times I crashed, the bike exploded into flames, and I died.
THE END.

dont buy hondas...

McDuck

10th April 2008, 16:00

Never have i read such disrespect.
:killingme:killingme:killingme

vifferman

10th April 2008, 16:06

dont buy hondas...
Actual, I do. :yes:

hang0ver

10th April 2008, 16:09

Road riding is definitely a different culture down here. We might be all slow but, by god we are good looking........

Haha, brings to mind the classic "Why go so fast when you look so good?"

Must of been the reason why I wanted to get everywhere ASAP when I was driving an old '85 Telstar.

carver

10th April 2008, 16:15

LOL

Time will tell

are you doing the big loop on the 20th?

skidMark

10th April 2008, 16:28

are you doing the big loop on the 20th?

Disqualified till january, so no.

Bonez

10th April 2008, 16:52

Disqualified till january, so no.You spelt ghey wrong in your signiture. :baby: Congratulations on the disqualification.

skidMark

10th April 2008, 16:58

You spelt ghey wrong in your signiture. :baby: Congratulations on the disqualification.

Thanks.

Somewhere theres a cop with a better work story.

PrincessBandit

10th April 2008, 17:08

Disqualified till january, so no.

Really? C'mon sM, you can be honest with us...... :lol:

McDuck

10th April 2008, 17:19

Thanks.

Somewhere theres a cop with a better work story.

So what did you do?

RiderInBlack

10th April 2008, 18:15

Are ya frikking kidding, JSG used to be 5 times worse than i ever was.
Yep Skiddy is so quick that he has just replied to a post I made back in 23rd February 2008:rolleyes: What's the matter Skiddy? Ya not getting enough attention lately?:baby:

carver

10th April 2008, 18:15

Disqualified till january, so no.

sidewinder will cry!

Bruiser

27th April 2008, 11:00

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If?........

lol.

And there we have it in a nutshell.

The boy has a death wish.