The best post I have ever read on Kiwibiker.

[cowboyz]

It has been commented recently that no one blings informative or useful posts, only pisstakes and photoshops.
Anyone who has been round here for more than 2 mins will have noticed that bullshit and bagging well outweigh the useful good advice. For every opinion there is a poster lurking somewhere to bring the OP down. Yes it is entertaining to a degree but then once in a (very long) while someone hits a nerve and sits down to think about what they are posting and puts it in such a way that is compelling, interesting and most of all, honest.

Slowpoke has done such a thing and gets my kiwibiker post of the century with the post linked below.
It is prudent to every biker, young or old, who hasnt worked out the difference between the track and the road or rides for the sole purpose of proving something to someone else.

Well done and my hat is off to you slowpoke.


http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1419264&postcount=30


full thread if you want to wade through it is here.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=66800

[Pussy]

Yep, just had a read of it myself. Slowpoke hit the jackpot with that one. Probably the best post I have seen here

[Her_C4]

.......Well done and my hat is off to you slowpoke.



Couldn't agree with you more..


......Slowpoke hit the jackpot with that one. Probably the best post I have seen here

Agreed, as mentioned in the source thread - this should be mandatory reading for all bikers. Fair made the hair stand up on the back of my neck.

[McJim]

Such eloquence - it's just a shame it was wasted on Skidmark who won't fucken listen anyway.

[bounce]

hell, gave me a chill just to read it. Hope it wasn't written from first hand experience..

[Toaster]

Couldn't agree with you more..



Agreed, as mentioned in the source thread - this should be mandatory reading for all bikers. Fair made the hair stand up on the back of my neck.

I've just had the hair trimmed off the back of my neck, but if it was there it would have stood up!

Slowpoke's post was an excellent well written reply to what would have to be one of the best demonstrations of being devoid of any common-sense or intelligence whatsoever.

[SVboy]

Too true. I found it hard reading, because it is the truth, and I hope I have the maturity to take its message on board......

[Okey Dokey]

A very chilling read. No one wants to be in either the position of the crashed and dying rider or the mate on the scene. Very well written post.

[onearmedbandit]

Amazing post.

[MSTRS]

And the anti- blood and guts truth PC brigade can go and get fucked. Slowpoke's post is exactly how a major fuckup pans out. I have never experienced it up close and never want to.
It is also why many of us are so hot on the issue of cheesecutters...they'll do what Slowpoke describes to you through no fault of your own.

[NZsarge]

puts it in such a way that is compelling, interesting and most of all, honest.

Slowpoke has done such a thing and gets my kiwibiker post of the century

Agreed.....

[Blackbird]

Slowpoke has actually done everyone a great service. What he wrote is actually deserving of wide publicity and could easily form the opening shotsof a hard-hitting safety campaign or training schemes.

A brilliant piece of writing from the heart.

[James Deuce]

It has been commented recently that no one blings informative or useful posts, only pisstakes and photoshops.
Anyone who has been round here for more than 2 mins will have noticed that bullshit and bagging well outweigh the useful good advice. For every opinion there is a poster lurking somewhere to bring the OP down. Yes it is entertaining to a degree but then once in a (very long) while someone hits a nerve and sits down to think about what they are posting and puts it in such a way that is compelling, interesting and most of all, honest.

Slowpoke has done such a thing and gets my kiwibiker post of the century with the post linked below.
It is prudent to every biker, young or old, who hasnt worked out the difference between the track and the road or rides for the sole purpose of proving something to someone else.

Well done and my hat is off to you slowpoke.


http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1419264&postcount=30


full thread if you want to wade through it is here.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=66800

You've only been here five minutes. It's not the first post like that and certainly not the last.

As you can see it has only impacted the people who have the maturity and sense of mortality to understand its premise. The people who need to understand just think it's an old person ranting. They'd be right.

Stop wasting your time fussing about other people, especially the brain damaged go-hard-because-I'm-immortal brigade. Ride your own ride and try not to kill anyone in the process. There is literally nothing you can do about, or for the people who need to take heed. The more you rant, the less they listen, the less they want to emulate you. They're out to prove you old and irrelevant.

If you go on a KB ride and have to accompany a damaged person to hospital, or bits of a corpse to a funeral home, make sure you have the grace and humility not to rant at them or their family.

[pritch]

Anyone who has been round here for more than 2 mins will have noticed that bullshit and bagging well outweigh the useful good advice. For every opinion there is a poster lurking somewhere to bring the OP down.

Sadly this is too true. It has also occurred to me of late that there are many hereabout with closed minds. One wonders how they will learn anything, but the obvious inference is that they won't actually learn much at all.

Many times it's trivial, eg helmet fastenings, leather v Cordura, tyres, brands of bike even. Their choice is right, all other are wrong. Sad really.

As time has passed I get the impression that the ratio of good sense to crap is in a rather rapid decline.

Slowpoke's post should be thought proving, but probably won't penetrate the ones who need it most.

[cowboyz]

You've only been here five minutes. It's not the first post like that and certainly not the last.

As you can see it has only impacted the people who have the maturity and sense of mortality to understand its premise. The people who need to understand just think it's an old person ranting. They'd be right.

Stop wasting your time fussing about other people, especially the brain damaged go-hard-because-I'm-immortal brigade. Ride your own ride and try not to kill anyone in the process. There is literally nothing you can do about, or for the people who need to take heed. The more you rant, the less they listen, the less they want to emulate you. They're out to prove you old and irrelevant.

If you go on a KB ride and have to accompany a damaged person to hospital, or bits of a corpse to a funeral home, make sure you have the grace and humility not to rant at them or their family.

You are right. I have been here 5 mins. Thats 2 and a half times longer than required to get the jist of the place.
I do not consider it a waste of time to bring attention to ideas that could make someone wake up and go. Fuck, What I am doing is wrong. We might just have to agree to disagree on that. I have noticed your posts and how cynical they are becoming. Maybe rightfully so but that is no deterrent on others who want to make a difference. I cant conceed just yet that it is all in vien. I am just not ready to.
The advice in your last statement, actually over your entire post, suggests that you dont give a damn about others and if they live or die. Out for yourself and that is all that matters. I cant conceed to that either.

[James Deuce]

If people want help, they'll ask. If they ask me they'll get more help than they were bargaining for.

You change the world with small steps, not grand changes.

Cynical? Absolutely. Cynical about people who say one thing, recommend one thing, and then in meatspace do the exact opposite.

[babyblade250rr]

This is a great post, i truely gained a reality check from reading this and hey some may take it to heart others may not but if it saves one persons life that is an ultimate gain!!!

[janno]

I always thought I was a bit antisocial for avoiding big group rides, or getting twitchy about riding with people I don't know well, but I'm beginning to think it's nothing but a healthy dose of self preservation.

Is it really coincidence that nearly all the serious or fatal crashes I've heard about have been on big group rides with speed involved? (Before you start furiously typing, note I said "nearly").

I've ridden with various trusted people from KB, and they'll tell you I'm not the most experienced rider, but I'm not a noob either. Somewhere smack bang in the middle, probably. And I have no problem asking for help with lines, how to ride various road conditions (no such thing as tar melt in Aus!!), where I could have done better . . . big thanks to Pritch aka the grumpy gnome, pussy and nadroj who have given me a lot of pointers and help over the last six months.

But I do know that if someone else took me out, I wouldn't stand a chance, unlike some of you truly skilled and experienced riders who could save yourself from someone running in to your back wheel or heading straight for you on a blind corner because they've overshot their line.

So I'll err on the side of caution here and stick to small, trusted groups. Some of the riders I see, and hearing the crap they say - well, it scares me. :eek5:

If I'm chicken for being that way, at least I'm a live chicken . . .

[ynot slow]

If you go on a KB ride and have to accompany a damaged person to hospital, or bits of a corpse to a funeral home, make sure you have the grace and humility not to rant at them or their family.


Tell that to my wife,used to work in funeral industry,in Auckland amongst other places,when accident victims come in,either car or bike to try and put them back together aint easy.The ranting never happens till after shock subsides,then anger and grief.

She had to try to embalm 3 boys from one family who were riding their pushbikes on a highway without helmets,got taken out in one hit,their parents wanted a viewing but the director closed the lids on 2 prior too them arriving,thus to view them would need court order to open the caskets,he was not bad,rest had half head off etc,we go on about laws etc,but the coroner agreed they could be alive with helmets.

[Big Dave]

Cynical? Absolutely.

GET OUT!!!!!!!

[Meanie]

Brilliant post by slowpoke
We never give up give up teaching our children because we care about what happens to them, even when they just dont want to know

Some of us choose to do the same for our fellow bikers, because we care
I always listen to advise given by a more experienced rider

[ynot slow]

Brilliant post by slowpoke
We never give up give up teaching our children because we care about what happens to them, even when they just dont want to know

Some of us choose to do the same for our fellow bikers, because we care
I always listen to advise given by a more experienced rider

Best quote given to me as an apprentice was never stop learning,when you do your dead.So kept asking questions,still do,and riding is the same.

[banditrider]

Slowpoke has actually done everyone a great service. What he wrote is actually deserving of wide publicity and could easily form the opening shotsof a hard-hitting safety campaign or training schemes.

A brilliant piece of writing from the heart.

I can't quote everyone so this'll do. Awesome post by Slowpoke - it does make the hairs on ya neck stand up. It certainly described a scene I never want to come across or be involved in.

This forum needs these sorts of posts. Who says you have to learn by your mistakes? You don't learn much from your own fatal one. If you can stop 1 squid from writing himself then that's one less to add to the road toll and one less death demonstrating that motocycles are dangerous - should we really allow them on the road? For this reason I hope that skiddy doesn't take himself or anyone else out. I also hope he gets smart real quick or gives up biking - don't want to meet him on the road, ever.

[Pex Adams]

The day Uncle B died, and I heard about what had happened. My thoughts not were only with Debbie, but also Jimbo600 who saw the whole accident happen right in front of him. I'm fairly sure Jimbo watched what Slowpoke put so eloquently, the description of what actually Bruce probably went through.

The pain of having to watch a mate die, is something I never wish upon anyone. Yet alone twice, as in Jimbo's case.

Then we move onto FATJIM who had to go to Masterton to identify the body... Slowpoke hit half the mark. What about the rest of us (including the ambulance, police, fire crews, family, friends...) that have to clean up the mess, of a loss of life...

The reminder is there for us all to watch out for ourselves, and those not smart enough to think for themselves.

[ital916]

Re-read that post again, will always send chills down my core. Never want to go through something like that and would never want anybody else too. Skidmark may be a tiwt, but i'd rather him be an alive and kicking stupid fucker than a dead one. Until then skiddy, is there really any need to go through 55's and 150. A mate of mine said the other day it's not bad when a bike hits someone, they'll be bounced to the side. :no: Unfortunately, not the case i told him, bikes cause serious damage when they hit people.

Ride safe guys

Drider

[jcupit69]

An amazing post by slowpoke, and hopefully skidmark will listen, but somehow i doubt it.
A big part of riding a bike for me is knowing that they are dangerous, and that on them no matter what you do your vulnerable, and respecting the inherent danger that comes with riding. I love riding, and love riding fast, but public roads aint always the place.
Crashing hurts no matter what. I would never want to see a mate dying in front of me and would hate for one of my mates to have to tell my parents and girlfriend that iv been killed. I felt bad enuf when i had an accident n that wasn't even my fault. Cus its not just your pain, its the emotional pain you inflict on the ones you love.
So congrats to you slowpoke, for a refreshing post on the darker side of the hobby we all love so much.

[dmouse]

well done slowpoke and very true, i badly binned in rush hour traffic and the bike a triumph tr6r weighing 700 pounds plus landed in my chest, and continued to spin in circles next to me, and me with my feet in the road in rush hour traffic no fucker stopped to help, cops rekon it was cos of my black leather clad body, i had punctured my lung six broken ribs, damaged my liver,bladder and cut my spleen in two i was loseing blood internaly in a major way, i had to get back on my bike to get home and help, and no way was there a stupid grin on my face, i was crying short of breath and even now four years after im still in pain i still see the faces of the cage drivers rubber necking at me, i have to piss through a tube my memory is stuffed i am only half of what i was before, ive slowed down, but i was not going fast on the bend i was below the posted advised limit for the corner, but the sun blinded me simple so simple and so much pain but i still ride, ive slowed down i take time to look at the scenery and the mad antics of other bikers, and think to my self mate your going to off badly n i hope your not on your own when you do.

take care and well done slowpoke for a awsome and true post if it helps one person slow down and think then you will have achieved so much, i take my helmet off to you sir. :first::first::first:

regards

dave

[BBzz]

This is a great post, i truely gained a reality check from reading this and hey some may take it to heart others may not but if it saves one persons life that is an ultimate gain!!!

I agree with babyblade.
We all only have so many near misses over a life time. To increase the time maybe we need to slow down on the road?
:eek:

[Ixion]

Sadly, I think Mr Jim2 is right.

Horses, water and all that.

I've found by now that I can identify the newbies that have what it takes for the long haul. And those that haven't.

The first do not need the results of stupidity explained to them, they can work it out for themselves. The second won't take it on board no matter what. None so blind, etc.

[Mully]

Great Post by Slowpoke, and bling awarded.

Unfortunately, it was wasted on a fucktard who seems to think that he will become a martyr to the biking gods if/when he's cleaned up on a bike.

Consideration also needs to be paid to the family who are out for a nice drive on the Coro loop of a weekend and come round a corner to find a retard on a Kawasaki (a good one, it's got USD forks) dragging his knee in their lane and cleaning the twit up. That, although not their fault, plays on their (and their kids) minds for years afterwards.

I was never on this site when Bruce was around, but from what I've read, he would not have approved of said Fucktard's constant actions and bullshit.

I've tried to help him once, I wont bother again.

[dmouse]

just been out for a ride, and this story kept popping into my head and the only genuine reason i can think why he is behaving the reckless way he is, is that he misses his mate bruce so much, he is not good enough to emulate him, so he is on a mission to destroy himself to be with his mate, bad news here for him, his mate is gone and thats the end of it, he would pay more respect to his mate by not making the same mistakes if any were made by bruce, if he is as close as he says he would know.

all said i cant feel sorry for him only the people he leaves behind, and the poor sods that will have to scrape his mess off of the road.

[MadDuck]

Sadly, I think Mr Jim2 is right.

Horses, water and all that.

I've found by now that I can identify the newbies that have what it takes for the long haul. And those that haven't.

The first do not need the results of stupidity explained to them, they can work it out for themselves. The second won't take it on board no matter what. None so blind, etc.

One day...maybe just one day....we will se a positive post from you. I may be 70 and pushing my zimmerframe.

Well done Slowpoke you certainly got my attention with your post and maybe just maybe it will help just one person. Then it is worth it.......

[James Deuce]

There's positive and then there's insisting that the Titantic isn't really sinking, it's just having a lie down.

[HornetBoy]

Yea to bad that skidmark will probably come back with some smartarse remark and not take anything from what slowpoke said ,very chilling post that ,one that certainly hits ya ,and paints a scene you never want to be involved in ,but all the crap that fella SM talks :gob: he needed to be reality checked like this .

[jrandom]

There's positive and then there's insisting that the Titantic isn't really sinking, it's just having a lie down.

And there's pessimistic, and then there's Jim2...

[MSTRS]

One day...maybe just one day....we will se a positive post from you. I may be 70 and pushing my zimmerframe.

Well done Slowpoke you certainly got my attention with your post and maybe just maybe it will help just one person. Then it is worth it.......

There's positive, negative and reality. Takes a lot of experience, coupled with angst and heartbreak to become a cranky old bastard. Still working at that myself, but I see the light waaaaay down the end. It's getting closer, and I see that it illuminates the truth.

[ynot slow]

Yea to bad that skidmark will probably come back with some smartarse remark and not take anything from what slowpoke said ,very chilling post that ,one that certainly hits ya ,and paints a scene you never want to be involved in ,but all the crap that fella SM talks :gob: he needed to be reality checked like this .

Mate bling to you,you crashed,admitted it was your fault,and took the crap given by the guys on your ride,you LEARNT,had no probs riding with ya even if we couldn't see 10mts at times,was great to see your light way behind,so the worry I had was if you were still following lol.Great to see your confidence is slowly coming back,those boring roads from Wangavegas to Hawera are good for getting back into the groove.Although the shingle bits still catch people out.

[HornetBoy]

Mate bling to you,you crashed,admitted it was your fault,and took the crap given by the guys on your ride,you LEARNT,had no probs riding with ya even if we couldn't see 10mts at times,was great to see your light way behind,so the worry I had was if you were still following lol.Great to see your confidence is slowly coming back,those boring roads from Wangavegas to Hawera are good for getting back into the groove.Although the shingle bits still catch people out.

yea cheers Tony ..seriously,our rides have been really great in getting me back into the right state of mind etc cant say how glad i was that you let me ride with you,hope we do some more

[cowboyz]

Mate bling to you,you crashed,admitted it was your fault,and took the crap given by the guys on your ride,you LEARNT,had no probs riding with ya even if we couldn't see 10mts at times,was great to see your light way behind,so the worry I had was if you were still following lol.Great to see your confidence is slowly coming back,those boring roads from Wangavegas to Hawera are good for getting back into the groove.Although the shingle bits still catch people out.

Yes. I was on the ride that HB crashed on. He now knows how I react to crashes. I am not going to apologise for anything I said or my actions and only one of four things can happen.
HB thinks I am a complete wank and we are not friends or
HB thinks I am a complete wank and has gotten over it and be friends or
HB thinks I had something good to say and took it in and we are friends or
HB thinks I had something good to say but doesnt like the way I said it and we are not friends.

I said my piece, got over it. it is done. Just how it is.

[MadDuck]

There's positive, negative and reality. Takes a lot of experience, coupled with angst and heartbreak to become a cranky old bastard. Still working at that myself, but I see the light waaaaay down the end. It's getting closer, and I see that it illuminates the truth.

Hey dont get me wrong...I am as cynical as the rest of you old bastards :dodge:

But and heres a big BUT the post by Mr Slowpoke may help someone thats ready to listen. We all know someone whos not ready to listen but there may be just one or two...ok maybe I need to go get something leather and flog and old horse :bye:

[HornetBoy]

Yes. I was on the ride that HB crashed on. He now knows how I react to crashes. I am not going to apologise for anything I said or my actions and only one of four things can happen.
HB thinks I am a complete wank and we are not friends or
HB thinks I am a complete wank and has gotten over it and be friends or
HB thinks I had something good to say and took it in and we are friends or
HB thinks I had something good to say but doesnt like the way I said it and we are not friends.

I said my piece, got over it. it is done. Just how it is.

Well i didnt expect people to be congratulating me on my first bin etc ,and to be honest,i was only worried about what you all were going to think of me down the track and would i ever be able to ride with these people again .I really didnt take peoples words personally,and peoples posts and comments were all taken in and i think people who have seen me rideing pre and post crash will agree with this that my riding style/maturity has changed ,im constantly trying to apply what people have said to me about my riding . yea cowboys i did take in your advice on what my crash came down to (my own self ,going above my limit) and hope their was no hate between us in that respect and that we can be mates

[Meanie]

Well i didnt expect people to be congratulating me on my first bin etc ,and to be honest,i was only worried about what you all were going to think of me down the track and would i ever be able to ride with these people again .I really didnt take peoples words personally,and peoples posts and comments were all taken in and i think people who have seen me rideing pre and post crash will agree with this that my riding maturity has changed ,am constantly trying to apply what people have said to me about my rideing . so yea cowboys id hope their was no hate between us in that respect and that we can be mates

Good for you mate
Welcome to ride with us anytime, I like your attitude
Now lets all have a group hug :grouphug:

[Zuki Bandit]

Yeah, well written Slowpoke, very sobering.

[cowboyz]

I dont hold grudges. Said my bit and you are more than welcome to ride with the manawatu crowd - as long as you use the designated parking.

[HornetBoy]

:grouphug: :lol:

[MSTRS]

Well i didnt expect people to be congratulating me on my first bin etc ,and to be honest,i was only worried about what you all were going to think of me down the track and would i ever be able to ride with these people again .I really didnt take peoples words personally,and peoples posts and comments were all taken in and i think people who have seen me rideing pre and post crash will agree with this that my riding style/maturity has changed ,im constantly trying to apply what people have said to me about my riding . yea cowboys i did take in your advice on what my crash came down to (my own self ,going above my limit) and hope their was no hate between us in that respect and that we can be mates

This gives the cranky old bastards and those 'workin on it'...hope may be too strong a word...but something approaching it.:chase:
Your post conveys precisely what people try to get across in their advice to newbies. Some have to crash before they will listen, unfortunate though that may be. Some never listen...it is for those who we reserve the crankiest responses.
Glad that you listened early enough to do some good.:niceone:

[NZsarge]

Good for you mate
Welcome to ride with us anytime, I like your attitude
Now lets all have a group hug :grouphug:

+1 HB, stoked to see you've taken on board what Cowboyz said, more power to ya.......Just not too much eh ;):laugh:

[El Dopa]

the post by Mr Slowpoke may help someone thats ready to listen. We all know someone whos not ready to listen but there may be just one or two...ok maybe I need to go get something leather and flog and old horse :bye:


There's positive and then there's insisting that the Titantic isn't really sinking, it's just having a lie down.

Jim, I (mis-)remember you posting something a year or two back where you basically said 'keep chipping away, even if you don't think you're getting through to the male teenage brain, just because there's that miniscule chance something might make it through and give them a decent chance of surviving'.

Being a weapons-grade grumpy prick myself, I found that post quite inspiring. Don't give up all hope.

[banditrider]

Yeah, good on ya Chris. Me thinks that everyone should bookmark this thread and come back and read it once in a while - especially if we think we've been a bit clever out on the road.

I for one was guilty of doing some "travelling" yesterday and it makes ya think...

[HornetBoy]

Yeah, good on ya Chris. Me thinks that everyone should bookmark this thread and come back and read it once in a while - especially if we think we've been a bit clever out on the road.

I for one was guilty of doing some "travelling" yesterday and it makes ya think...

thanks ,yea thought id do just that,nothing like a thread like this to keep ya head level.


This gives the cranky old bastards and those 'workin on it'...hope may be too strong a word...but something approaching it.:chase:
Your post conveys precisely what people try to get across in their advice to newbies. Some have to crash before they will listen, unfortunate though that may be. Some never listen...it is for those who we reserve the crankiest responses.
Glad that you listened early enough to do some good.:niceone:

Cheers yea ,well i know if ya let em , experienced riders have alot of good advice to convey to younger fellas like me .


+1 HB, stoked to see you've taken on board what Cowboyz said, more power to ya.......Just not too much eh ;):laugh:

yea thanks sarge,600cc seems to be plenty enough for me :laugh::shifty:

[cowboyz]

Cheers yea ,well i know if ya let em , experienced riders have alot of good advice to convey to younger fellas like me .



And old(er) folk like me. Even though I have been "labelled" as one of the experienced I hope it doesnt sound like I think I know it all. I still feed off the others in the group.

[Bonez]

And old(er) folk like me. Even though I have been "labelled" as one of the experienced I hope it doesnt sound like I think I know it all. I still feed off the others in the group.I'll bring a bib on Friday.

[cowboyz]

i wont be there and I am not fond of spices. Especially ginger.

Just got reminded about a birthday party I am surposed to be at so looks like next ride is the coro loop.

2 weeks to go!!!

[Movistar]

Funny, I haven't seen any replys from SM since this started...
Doesn't surprise me though

[HornetBoy]

Funny, I haven't seen any replys from SM since this started...
Doesn't surprise me though

patiently awaits his arrival :corn:

[ynot slow]

Yes. I was on the ride that HB crashed on. He now knows how I react to crashes. I am not going to apologise for anything I said or my actions and only one of four things can happen.
HB thinks I am a complete wank and we are not friends or
HB thinks I am a complete wank and has gotten over it and be friends or
HB thinks I had something good to say and took it in and we are friends or
HB thinks I had something good to say but doesnt like the way I said it and we are not friends.

I said my piece, got over it. it is done. Just how it is.

No arguements here,from my talks with HB,he deserved the bollocking and no hard feelings,agree with you about having something good to say out of a potentially catastrophic situation,you either take it on board and move on wiser or sulk,knowing the amount of miles you guys do,yep a bin is on the cards,but not by stupidity,i.e Bonez' off on FH ride,slow speed and road conditions mean crap happens,yep most past us at speed(120ish),but it was straight road with no traffic,and barely crossing centre line to do so,the best part of that ride was the return,looking out for lifting tar,and adding more speed,plus the fact that I have a more confident pillion,one who likes to get out,one who 2 years ago struggled to go uptown with me.The fact of the matter is you guys help noobys even when you don't think you are,i.e at stops bbq etc.Coming back with Al and Sarah when they did gixxer run showed me how quick you can go without speeding,just taking Al's corner lines etc,till he got ahead for pics.

Was talking to a couple from our local cossie club who have a riders club adjunct,one guy who has done heaps of riding is a guy they hate to follow,after the toy run I know why,pulls out to pass sharply and pulls in the same abrupt way,asked them have they told him,answer no we haven't done the mileage he has,so don't want to upset him.Ffs there were bikes either side of those he passed,also cutting one guy off,at 120km not much margin for error,best thing I learnt was let him go and stop at Hawera.

[ynot slow]

I dont hold grudges. Said my bit and you are more than welcome to ride with the manawatu crowd - as long as you use the designated parking.

Front of que,close to bar to order lattes for them oldies.Shit that includes me,god hate it when you feel younger than you are.

Is there suzuki designated parking areas,or do them kawasaki's hold sway,due to safety in numbers stuff.:shutup:

[doc]

Ferk if you check out Slowpokes public profile his post must be the most positive repped post ever. Sort of thing that Skiddy aches for. Dont think SM will be silent for long tho, sort of feeds on attention.

[HornetBoy]

sort of feeds on attention.

he does certainly get it tho everywhere he leaves his opinions

[cowboyz]

Ferk if you check out Slowpokes public profile his post must be the most positive repped post ever. .

and he deserves every one.

I do feel a little sorry for him though cause I wouldnt want to ever post again after a homerun like that one. Oh the pressure.

[doc]

and he deserves every one.

I do feel a little sorry for him though cause I wouldnt want to ever post again after a homerun like that one. Oh the pressure.

I think you deserve many for starting this thread drawing it to everyones attention. Sort of putting SM in his place, the guy is harmless, sort of needs Adult supervision before he posts tho. Maybe they could appoint a moderator to supervise some of them on here.

[cowboyz]

nah. I just saw something I liked. Been disillusioned lately with the lack of repect for the road and what appears to be bullshit apon bullshit posts. I am genuinely moved with slowpokes post and felt it would be a real shame to have it lost in a thread where others never got to see it.

[Goblin]

...the guy is harmless...When he's not on the road.

[yod]

Sort of putting SM in his place, the guy is harmless,

judging by the way he likes to portray his riding and his attitude, he sounds like he could be far from harmless on the road unfortunately,

hope i never have the misfortune to share the same bit of tarmac as him

[Meanie]

hope i never have the misfortune to share the same bit of tarmac as him

It wouldnt be for long if you did come across him, hed pass you round the outside doing twice the speed cause hes twice the man and hed have his knee down too
You would be so impressed you would quiver in his mighty wake
All Hail Skiddy :not:

[yod]

It wouldnt be for long if you did come across him, hed pass you round the outside doing twice the speed cause hes twice the man and hed have his knee down too
You would be so impressed you would quiver in his mighty wake
All Hail Skiddy :not:

and he'd no doubt have 70% in reserve......



:rofl:

[Meanie]

and he'd no doubt have 70% in reserve......



:rofl:

at least...............

[EJK]

86 Blings on a single post (and still counting)

A record? lol

BTW damn, I cannot agree more to that post

[RDJ]

As time has passed I get the impression that the ratio of good sense to crap is in a rather rapid decline.

Not to go off topic, but this is what has happened. As sillier - and sometimes nastier - comments predominate, people look elsewhere for sensible and couth riding info. And so it goes... not sure we can reverse it.

[James Deuce]

FFS, Mark needs advice and encouragement not yet more derision.

Everyone is all for "giving the n00bs the learn" but when a difficult one comes along you all go feral and pack hunt.

Slowpoke's post was a classy attempt to chip away at the invincible armour.

[dipshit]

I've found by now that I can identify the newbies that have what it takes for the long haul. And those that haven't.


I've also noticed a recurring theme in the tributes to well-known KB members that have killed themselves while riding...


"There's some great footage of Bruce and his big cheeky grin as he races, does burnouts on the grass, wheelies etc. Then he hops on his roadbike and does some unrefined wheelies and stoppies on the road. He's about 18 in the video, but he hasn't changed in the years since (except for pulling better wheelies and stoppies!)"


"Not only did Daryl like showing off on his bike but off as well."


"then Dan pulling out when we were taking a shorter route heading thru backroads he get onto a straight and put it up on one wheel and man.....that still remains to this day the best ever wheelie i had seen....
perfectly balanced and i mean perfectly...went along for a good 500 metre with the numberplate about 2 inches off the ground...no more no less for the whole frikking wheelie....same angle the whole way.... plate 2 inches off the ground perfectly consistent for 500 metres , the rest of us couldnt believe it...talk to him after...oh yeah...was nothing much...."


They really did seem to enjoy living it up as the hero for their mates.

[yod]

FFS, Mark needs advice and encouragement


flogging a dead horse

[slowpoke]

and he deserves every one.

I do feel a little sorry for him though cause I wouldnt want to ever post again after a homerun like that one. Oh the pressure.

Haha, pressure? I didn't even think of that....until now, D'OH! Nah, it's not pleasant to talk about but it's better than saying nothing.

Sometimes when you're sitting quietly under a tree somewhere reflecting on a good ride you tell yourself that this is how it should have been....but for some stupid, careless or just plain unlucky fraction of a second that fucked everything up.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no frikkin' saint, even with a moniker like mine I still know where the gear lever and throttle are on an R1....and on occasion I've even been known to use them, er, just don't look at my lap times ok? Even after being involved in some life defining or (god forbid, ending) moment you still have those eye widening, sphincter puckering moments yourself that are the nature of the world we live in...you can't control everything, much as you might try.

I think the difference is that you don't just shrug off your own lack of concentration, the thing that you should have seen, or the thing you shouldn't have done, you get angry at yourself. The names I've called myself under my helmet on occasion would have a sailor reaching for his notebook and pencil.

I dunno. To use a poker anology you've just got to try and not be "all in" on any of the hands you play. Leave it such that it's never "game over" when things don't go as you assume they will.

Anyway, that's well and truly enough sermonising from me, the soap box has been put way, waaaay back in the cupboard and Reverend Rantalot has left the building. Please send all donations to the address at the bottom of your screen, apparently God needs a knew Learjet......

[ynot slow]

FFS, Mark needs advice and encouragement not yet more derision.

Everyone is all for "giving the n00bs the learn" but when a difficult one comes along you all go feral and pack hunt.

Slowpoke's post was a classy attempt to chip away at the invincible armour.

No disagreement from me re SMneeding advice,don't we all.

But it seems Mark doesn't take said advice on board.

I mean no disrespect to the guys he mentions,but and a big BUT,when guys like quasi and others say these guys are not the best role models to look up to regarding their riding,I take heed of it.Sure they might be able to pull wheelies etc on the track or closed circuits etc,but doing it on the road can be asking for trouble,i.e cops and other vehicles.This is the part Mark can't seem to grasp,DO IT IN A SAFE ENVIRONMENT.The road aint the place for a guy,many here say isn't a shit hot rider,and on the road you have too many variables that can go wrong.At least on the track if you pull the wheel up,and lose control,maybe all you do is scuff the bike,on the road you may take out me or your family.

[MSTRS]

FFS, Mark needs advice and encouragement not yet more derision.

Everyone is all for "giving the n00bs the learn" but when a difficult one comes along you all go feral and pack hunt.


Yes. Needs. He has done since he joined KB, and possibly before that too. But in all the time he has been here, how many times has he taken on board the advice? I'd hazard a guess and say "Not once" and in fact, he not only refuses and fails to do so, he is proud of that fact. Admittedly, his is an extreme case, and his OTT posts on here are probably just as good at getting the safety message across to others (I hope) as is the advice that abounds here. One guy who is out of step with reality is no reason to stop helping others.
In SM's case though, heap on the scorn etc when he deserves it, BUT don't fail to congratulate if he gets something right.

[cowboyz]

the whole point is not to change skidmark. He will be as he is till he spirills down into a RIP thread where every one will come out and say what a nice guy he is. They will, of course, be lying but it is bad karma to say someone is a complete and utter cock when they have just wiped themselves out on the road. (Which I predict will happen within 5 years of skiddy getting back on the road)
The point is, as a society of bikers, to stand up and say this is not what we want on the road. Sure you can ride fast, sure you can stunt in appropriate places (more on that soon) but no you cant carve others up on the road and act like a complete loser. This serves a point, like I say, not to "fix" skidmark but to let the next gen of bikers know that this is not acceptable.

Side note about stunting on the road.
Kevmo and co put up a video of some 12oclocks on some road somewhere. It was obvious it was out of the way and I didnt see a problem with it. Others did. Many others did see a problem with it and said so but with opposing views creates debate and with plenty of people on each side then you can understand why they keep doing it.

Transfer this to the dangerous and fuckwit behaviour of skiddy. With so many against it, hopefully someone who is brain deficient enough to think skiddy is cool will think that it doesnt seem so cool with so many thinking its knoblike.

[Hitcher]

Such eloquence - it's just a shame it was wasted on Skidmark who won't fucken listen anyway.

You unnecessarily flatter him by mentioning his name. Let's please try to avoid making this (yet) another SM thread.

[Hitcher]

and he deserves every one.

I do feel a little sorry for him though cause I wouldnt want to ever post again after a homerun like that one. Oh the pressure.

I guess some members aren't solely motivated by compiling a greatest hits album.

[Grub]

I mean no disrespect to the guys he mentions,but and a big BUT,when guys like quasi and others say these guys are not the best role models to look up to regarding their riding,I take heed of it.Sure they might be able to pull wheelies etc on the track or closed circuits etc,but doing it on the road can be asking for trouble,i.e cops and other vehicles.This is the part ... {snip} ...

No disrespect either but the spacebar is the big long one at the bottom of the k/b. Am trying to read your posts but is too hard so yer points are prolly lost.

[speights_bud]

Stop wasting your time fussing about other people, especially the brain damaged go-hard-because-I'm-immortal brigade. Ride your own ride and try not to kill anyone in the process. There is literally nothing you can do about, or for the people who need to take heed. The more you rant, the less they listen, the less they want to emulate you. They're out to prove you old and irrelevant.

if his post makes one person think twice about doing something that's stupid then its worth it isnt it? i know it'll make me think twice, but what would i know im just a know-it all bullet proof 19 yr old. We all need reality checks from time to time:calm:

[90s]

Sadly, I think Mr Jim2 is right.

Horses, water and all that.

I've found by now that I can identify the newbies that have what it takes for the long haul. And those that haven't.

The first do not need the results of stupidity explained to them, they can work it out for themselves. The second won't take it on board no matter what. None so blind, etc.

Normally if its Ixion, I'd agree. But not so fast this time. On the whole I think you are right. But there is still 1 in a 100 newbs who just don't think. But then something prompts them to. That 1 in a 100 will find posts like this valuable. The 99 make the noise and we waste our time on them.

Slowpoke's post is powerful, but I find the real thing as posted by Quazievil so much more harrowing. It is a tough read.
http://quasizxrquasimoto.spaces.live.com/

There's some young rider on here who that will speak to. Maybe just one - but let's save you wasting all the kleen-o-gene we can, eh?

[banditrider]

Slowpoke's post is powerful, but I find the real thing as posted by Quazievil so much more harrowing. It is a tough read.
http://quasizxrquasimoto.spaces.live.com/


Hell yeah: hair raising, sickening, graphic...

[Meanie]

Slowpoke's post is powerful, but I find the real thing as posted by Quazievil so much more harrowing. It is a tough read.
http://quasizxrquasimoto.spaces.live.com/

There's some young rider on here who that will speak to. Maybe just one - but let's save you wasting all the kleen-o-gene we can, eh?

Thanks for posting that link
Certainly makes you reconsider your riding style. This is the sort of thing they should make people read when they start sitting thier motor bike licence
I hope and pray i never have to experience anything like that myself

[CHOPPA]

thats a reality check! even more reason to keep it on the track... for myself anyways. I know there are similar risks involved but atleast your in the right enviroment...

[Rotor]

Its an eye opener
This site took me to a letter of that day. New Zealand day we road passed the corner and thats my way of showing respect, keep on riding, safe or not its your choise
I don't know anyone but every time you ride you bike you can crash
Thats the way it is
Its good to have chicken strips, just incase you are chichen and have to use them, atlest you had that much left:(

[Jinx3d]

Fucks sake, enough heaping shit on skidmarkx.

What is he, some punching bag? You dont like him, course, not, he represents you and me 20 years ago.

I read a great truth the other day "You know when you are growing up, its when you truly realise what a fool you were"

Its called maturity. It come with time and experience. As supposedly mature people we should have patience with people that we retrospectively know are riding at sub par levels.

Who here that got started on bikes as young'un didnt ever crash through sheer stupidity? Who here hasnt sent or recieved txt while driving, or drag raced a boy racer? Well, maybe you should just substute in your self for you own critisism eh? Who made you so fucking perfect?

The fact is, if you were'rnt a bit "loose" in the head, you would never have been into bikes in the first place.

I'm a pretty safe rider these days, but it hasnt always been the case. And I know I'm not immune to testosterne fever.

[cowboyz]

I don't know anyone but every time you ride you bike you can crash
Thats the way it is
:(
disagree. I dont go out on my bike (even on the quick runs) thinking I am going to crash. In fact, I go out thinking I am going to have a great time and get home just fine.

Fucks sake, enough heaping shit on skidmarkx.
the tosser deserves everything he gets. Needs to learn there are consequences for actions, if you want them or not. He acts like a tosser, he talks like a tosser, and types like a tosser. He should be treated like a tosser.
What is he, some punching bag? You dont like him, course, not, he represents you and me 20 years ago.
If he was treated like a punching bag, someone might have knocked a bit of sense into him by now, instead of making excuses about how he was born a asshole and just got bigger. And, No. He certainly doesnt represent me or anyone I grew up with 20 years ago.

I read a great truth the other day "You know when you are growing up, its when you truly realise what a fool you were"
A fool is one thing. A compulsive fucking moron is skidmark.
Its called maturity. It come with time and experience. As supposedly mature people we should have patience with people that we retrospectively know are riding at sub par levels.
You think we should wait till he kills someone on the road. (note I didnt say kills himself cause at this stage I couldnt give a fuck if he cleans himself up).
Who here that got started on bikes as young'un didnt ever crash through sheer stupidity? Who here hasnt sent or recieved txt while driving, or drag raced a boy racer? Well, maybe you should just substute in your self for you own critisism eh? Who made you so fucking perfect?
Its not about being perfect. Its about picking your battles. Skiddy gets support from the masses who feel they need to contribute to charity to make themselves feel better.
The fact is, if you were'rnt a bit "loose" in the head, you would never have been into bikes in the first place.
that is not true at all. And skiddy puts "a bit loose in the head" into a whole new catergory.
I'm a pretty safe rider these days, but it hasnt always been the case. And I know I'm not immune to testosterne fever.

my thoughts inline.

[Meanie]

Fucks sake, enough heaping shit on skidmarkx.

What is he, some punching bag? You dont like him, course, not, he represents you and me 20 years ago.

I read a great truth the other day "You know when you are growing up, its when you truly realise what a fool you were"

Its called maturity. It come with time and experience. As supposedly mature people we should have patience with people that we retrospectively know are riding at sub par levels.

Who here that got started on bikes as young'un didnt ever crash through sheer stupidity? Who here hasnt sent or recieved txt while driving, or drag raced a boy racer? Well, maybe you should just substute in your self for you own critisism eh? Who made you so fucking perfect?

The fact is, if you were'rnt a bit "loose" in the head, you would never have been into bikes in the first place.

I'm a pretty safe rider these days, but it hasnt always been the case. And I know I'm not immune to testosterne fever.

I tell my kids "If you got nothing nice to say, dont say anything at all" I would like to give Skiddy the same advise, Ill bet in time that would change everyones perception of him. (quite a bit of time needed for this to happen)
Never met the guy myself but after reading his posts I know i couldnt stand being in the same hemisphere as him

[cowboyz]

thats what I meant to say but I am not as polite.