Hey Jeremy Clarkson (Mr Top Gear)

[gav]

Suck on this !
Lambo vs Ducati (http://www.ducatifan.com/5thGear999gallardo.wmv)

[Quasievil]

That was fucken cool mate

[StoneChucker]

Hell this is what I've been looking for, for ages! Bike VS Car movies. Only thing I have to do now is, D/L that monstrosity, on dialup!!!

sigh...

[erik]

Yeah, that was neat, thanks for posting it. :)

[Sniper]

That was wicked, thanks bro

[Blakamin]

WooHoo... thats goin in the pool-room



cheers gav

[Two Smoker]

I reakon that bike could go quicker around there... that rear sliding into the hairpin was AWESOME, fucking well controlled...

Where have i seen sparks before :whistle:

[Two Smoker]

Oh just another point, that was a stock standard 999, it wasnt a 999R which is SHITLOADS faster...

[Motu]

I reakon that bike could go quicker around there...

I think the car could of been pushed around faster too...but .4sec is bloody close,be interesting to see the whole lap with them ghosted together,see corner speeds and brake distances.I've seen 5th gear a couple of times,they do some radical stuff,and that chick can drive too!

[jase]

NOW THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SEE ON TV. :banana:

[SuperDave]

Good shit! Got any more?

[dhunt]

Very good, and the video quality wasn't too bad either, Just wondering when part 2 is coming along???

[Two Smoker]

I dont know if that car could be pushed too much harder, it was starting to dfrift around a bit.. maybe some slightly later braking, but that bike had heaps more lean to go, and more track to use as well..... I dont think Tiff (ex britsh touring car champ???) can get too much more out of it....

[Ghost Lemur]

That was seriously cool.

I'll take one of each. :cool2:

[StoneChucker]

How many BHP the standard 999 puts out? And the 999R?. And, would a bike with more bhp necessarily be faster around the track? As from memory, while the 999 series is a fricken nice bike, it's not tops in terms of horses, only quality ;)

[Two Smoker]

The standard 999 puts out 115bhp, the 999S puts out 116hp, and the 999R puts out 125bhp.... the top speed increases from 161mph (999) to 179mph (999R)

The 999 has a dry weight of 199kgs and the 999R has a dry weight of 192kgs....

The 999R is pretty much carbon fibre everything and it also has better suspension...

If you had a gixxer thou on the track, i think the gap would have been huge.....

[rodgerd]

Arguably a skill mismatch - the guy on the bike is "just" a journo. The guy in the car was a professional driver - in fact, a former Formula 1 racer.

[StoneChucker]

115bhp! On a Ducati 999. I would think, for that price and quality, it should be more intune with current litre sports bikes. Still, I couldn't use all 115bhp anyway, so what am I moaning about. She's also a bit fat, for being carbon fibre everything... 199kgs? I don't think my bike has any carbon firbre on it, and it's 172kgs. But, it is a Ducati :love: Why am I such a whore for italian vehicles!!! <_<

[gav]

Hmm, I see the 05 999 is getting a 16hp increase and the 05 999R will have 150hp!
Must be getting the Japanese to build them ;)
http://www.ducatifan.com/
This site has some more Ducati videos

[Motu]

Yeah,but I bet you've never seen a bike do this...

4 wheels good (http://www.littlebillproductions.com/livejournal/2004/eurcncs185030.mpg)

[StoneChucker]

Only 150 on the new 05 999R? Ah well, I'd still take one give half the chance. Lets see what the vids all about then...

[jrandom]

Arguably a skill mismatch - the guy on the bike is "just" a journo.

Well, anyone who can do those things with the back end on a 999 has my respect, even if they can't get the best possible lap time out of it. He was probably petrified of lowsiding in front of the camera, too, which might account for the cautious lean angles.

Betcha any of the current common-as-muck Jappa litrebikes would have dusted up both those vehicles with room to spare... I suppose they wanted to do an 'Italian on Italian' thing.

[magnum]

that was cool ,best vid ive seen for ages. :spudwave:

[Jonty]

Here is one crazy bastard in the swiss alps!! not racing a car but impressive anyway



http://need4speedx.free.fr/underground/cbr900r.html

[marty]

on 5th gear last week they had a straight line drag between a ferrari F1 and a gazelle chopper. if they had have started the chopper on the ground and if it was dry, the F1 car would have creamed it. that guy (kitt?) likes his sideways driving - did you see him in the porsche last week? and why didn't they line up a busa/blackbird/zxr against the F1/chopper combo? or later on in the porsche/chopper track shootout?

[thehollowmen]

ain't fifth gear a different show from top gear?

[rodgerd]

that guy (kitt?) likes his sideways driving

Tiff Needle. Given he's raced F1 and Le Mans, road cars are probably boring as hell if he doesn't spice 'em up a bit.

[ALTRON]

Wonder why they selected a Ducati to compete? Wouldn't a 1000cc 4 cylinder machine (stock) been even more competitive?

[matthewt]

Wonder why they selected a Ducati to compete? Wouldn't a 1000cc 4 cylinder machine (stock) been even more competitive?

They were comparing Italian equipment so it makes sense. After all the Lambo probably isn't the fastest car either.

Maybe they should of used a MV F4 1000cc ;)

[avgas]

They were going for the whole track thing,
where the dukes are still running near the peak in cornering and handelling. Also most car drivers believe that ducati make the fastest bikes in the world, Harley the slowest and Suzuki the crappiest
They also believe that the miata and mx5 are 2 different cars
oh the joys of not understanding, yet still assuming superiority - car fans, igonace is bliss apprarently

[erik]

So is it just F1 cars that are faster than bikes?
And is that only around corners?

[rodgerd]

So is it just F1 cars that are faster than bikes?
And is that only around corners?

Anything that can hold a higher lateral acceleration in a corner and not get slaughtered in the braking and acceleration. Le Mans cars can probably outrun a bike on a track.

For that matter, the Race to the Sky sees the top cars beating the top bikes.

[marty]

. Also most car drivers believe that ducati make the fastest bikes in the world, Harley the slowest and Suzuki the crappiest

yup. yup, and yup. although honda gets the prize for the most boringest (cars especially)

[Devil]

For that matter, the Race to the Sky sees the top cars beating the top bikes.
Thats really not a good example heh.

[Sniper]

yup. yup, and yup. although honda gets the prize for the most boringest (cars especially)

Not too much wrong with Honda bikes :ride: Its Honda cars that belong on a farm as silage pits or something. Horruble cars, engine turns the wrong way to any other, they are all talked up because of "Vtec" (Cam lobe wears down after 75000km so all it does is make noise) and they are crappy cars!!

Oh, did I say I hate them too!! :ar15:

[SpankMe]

http://www.ducati.com/docs_eng/photogalleries2//041014drf104/images/26_b.jpg
Ducati 999F04 vs Lockheed F104 ‘999’ Starfighter (http://www.ducati.com/docs_eng/photogalleries/Templates/previewShow.jhtml?pgName=041014drf104)

[Sniper]

Ducati 999F04 vs Lockheed F104 ‘999’ Starfighter (http://www.ducati.com/docs_eng/photogalleries/Templates/previewShow.jhtml?pgName=041014drf104)


That was cool. :rockon:

[Motu]

So is it just F1 cars that are faster than bikes?
And is that only around corners?

We all like to see a car stomped by a bike,me too! The average bike,no matter what it is will do a car no worries...even my dirt bikes do serious damage to any car drivers ego.But if the car guys get serious,the bikes loose out everytime.

Formula One and MotoGP? sorry,the bikes come no where near an F1 car.

Top fuel dragsters and bikes? nah,no way.

Landspeed record,4 wheels again.

Rally cars - ever heard of rally bikes?

In the early days of Baja and Paris/Dakar the bikes could beat the cars,but not anymore.

It's very hard to do comparisons,there are very few points in common,it basicly comes down to contact patch,there is just more rubber to put down power and brakes,the bike can gain in other areas,but when you need traction,the car will have it in spades.

[FlyingDutchMan]

The main reason why cars are faster than bikes is because they can get so much more downforce (F1 cars have about 4xtimes the cars weight pushing down on the wheels) on the wheels and hence more grip. Bike don't get to enjoy the effects of spoilers and so can't get as much grip. Downforce is everything when it comes to grip. Rubber area doesn't mean anything unless you've got down force on it (hence why its so easy to lock up the back wheel).

[Motu]

Take the downforce from F1 cars (they want to) and do you think the MotoGP bikes would beat them - not for long,they would get back up to speed pretty quick.Plenty of very fast cars with not much more for down force than weight,it's all about utilising what you got - cars have got more....

[onearmedbandit]

Power, downforce, contact patch. Cars (in this example F1 cars) have more of all of those than bikes. Hence, an F1 car will thrash a motogp around a circuit.

[Motu]

Just to keep hammering away here - the MotoGP bikes can practicaly double their horsepower,all that is available....but they would go slower,they just can't get that power to the ground - contact patch,not down force out of a slow turn.

[Motoracer]

Just to keep hammering away here - the MotoGP bikes can practicaly double their horsepower,all that is available....but they would go slower,they just can't get that power to the ground - contact patch,not down force out of a slow turn.How about 2 wheel drive Moto GP bikes with variable power delivery (between the 2 wheels) controlled by a computer. Once 1 of the wheels starts slippin too much then the other wheel will take on the heat. For race starts, when the front wheel goes up in the air then 100% of the power will be supplied to the rear wheel. Coming out of a corner, when the rear wheel starts stepping out, then some of the power will be transferred to the front wheel to stabilise the bike and gain more acceleration cause of improved traction.

It's already being done on cars but not yet on bikes (there's prolly a good reason for that). It'd be interesting to see how they go anyway.

[vifferman]

How about 2 wheel drive Moto GP bikes with variable power delivery (between the 2 wheels) controlled by a computer. ....It's already being done on cars but not yet on bikes (there's prolly a good reason for that). It'd be interesting to see how they go anyway.
Not quite true - there is the Yamaha 2WD bike, which uses hydraulic drive to the front wheel. IIRC, the dirt bike (the Yamaha 450 WRF 2-Trac) is already in production, and tests of road-going prototype versions have show it works very well. For racing, the obvious problem would be the weight penalty.
There's lots of links about this - here's one: http://www.gizmo.com.au/go/2351/

[Motoracer]

I followed your link.



How it works
The patented 2-Trac system uses a hydraulic pump located above the gear box, and driven by a chain (in an oil bath) driven from the gear box. The system comprises a pump connected by flexible hoses to a hydraulic engine located in the hub of the front wheel. The 2-trac is a closed loop system equipped with filtration system and is a self-regulated compact unit. The hydraulic pressure transmitted to the front wheel is proportional to the speed of the rear wheel: the more the rear wheel loses traction, the more the hydraulic system compensates by increasing the traction power to the front wheel. The distribution of the power between the front and rear wheels is variable in order to optimize traction.
The front wheel can never turn quicker than the rear wheel, and the power transmitted to the front wheel is never higher than that used for the rear. This self-regulated system also allows for the conditions, so that the power to the front wheel is slowly reduced so that the rear wheel "recovers" traction.
When the throttle is closed, no power is transmitted to the front wheel, but if the throttle is opened abruptly and that the rear wheel starts to lose grip, the sudden increase in pump revs increases the hydraulic pressure of the system and a higher proportion of engine power is transmitted to the front wheel. If the rear wheel continues to spin, more power is sent to the front wheel. The proportion of the engine power provided to the front wheel is hence controlled by both the throttle and the traction of the rear wheel.
Just like all of my other ideas, this one has already been done before as well :confused2

[Motu]

How about 2 wheel drive Moto GP bikes with variable power delivery (between the 2 wheels) controlled by a computer. Once 1 of the wheels starts slippin too much then the other wheel will take on the heat. For race starts, when the front wheel goes up in the air then 100% of the power will be supplied to the rear wheel. Coming out of a corner, when the rear wheel starts stepping out, then some of the power will be transferred to the front wheel to stabilise the bike and gain more acceleration cause of improved traction.

It's already being done on cars but not yet on bikes (there's prolly a good reason for that). It'd be interesting to see how they go anyway.



Yeah,there's a reason,not just economics,but regulations.A lot of development is driven by racing - 4x4 for passenger cars came from rally car development,until then it was just a silly gimick...2x2 is not allowd for motorcycle racing,even off road,which is why it's hardly been looked at.I bet they make a rule allowing 2x2 soon,then it will take off.Motorcycles are very restricted in what they can do - then again F1 regs are constantly working to slow the cars down - imagine how fast the F1 cars would be if they had let the gates open after the ''fan''cars and the active suspn cars,same with bikes...full coverage fairings were banned in the late 50s,never to return - just wonder what we would have now if they were left to themselves and developed to the max?