The youth of today VS the grumpybums of yesterday...

[Number One]

At home bored and been thinking about this kid thing….it’s kinda hard to avoid when you’re a parent!

Funnily enough KB is full of threads about kids.
Parents looking for support/encouragement/advice/info re raising their kids, people who want kids but can’t have them and still others who despite hating and not wanting kids have a lot to say on the subject and like to tell everyone how thankful they are that they don’t have kids and so don’t have to be bothered by them.

Firstly I’m not interested in all the real bad ass kids and their crap parents out there and that whole argument about how people should have to pass licenses to breed and all that. To align with the current attitude that ‘mentioning bad biker behaviour on KB does no good and doesn’t get to those that really need to take note’ that isn’t what this thread is about.

Secondly, I don’t judge anyone for their choice to have kids or not. Personal choice is just that – to each his own. IF you don’t want kids and do everything in your power to avoid having them – good for you and good choice...no kid deserves to be unwanted and unloved. If you have kids and think they are the bomb – great! Those kids did well to pick you 

Anyway where I am going with all this? I’m wondering about whether the conditioning we had growing up has affected our attitudes towards kids and towards the notion of having kids. If I am to be blunt I am referring to the intolerance and general grumpy-bumness attitude towards kids (of some).

There’s a current thread talking about how kids have done stupid kid stuff and wrecked some guys property. It’s a bummer, but boy ain’t that a tired old story, who doesn’t have one of those to tell? Hell I could tell a fair few about BIG kids (aka adults) doing stupid kid stuff and wrecking property. How many times were you yourself one of those kids? ME, heaps of times! Did I feel bad when I did these things? YES. Were their (non violent) consequences for me? YES. Did I do anything twice…nope! Have I turned into an axe wielding maniac with no morals? Not yet!

We lament about how in the good old days we walked to school, and in the good old days we could stay out in the street for ages after it got dark, we joke about how playgrounds used to be hard and now they are all padded and covered and safe and about how we developed better co-ordination because we had to cope with the old army tent frames over concrete playground surfaces :2thumbsup I hear people talking about how kids have no consequences these days as schools and parents can’t smack…HA!

What about the good old days when people used to allow kids to be kids and while you didn’t let them get away with murder you expected that they were just learning and with the right guidance could be taught and or reasoned with. They were scallywags and little sods and all that…a stark contrast to the attitude that they are sub-human, can only learn from a good smack and require muzzling until they are 25…for doing things that are really just naughty kid stuff and not at all Mark Burton-esk in nature.

SO - In terms of the conditioning you received and how has it affected your attitude towards kids? Are those thoughts you hold in your head about what ‘having kids means’ and what little buggars they can be just old headtapes from your own upbringing?

I never thought I was maternal. I had grown up being told that having kids would ruin my life. I’m an only child who was brought up strict with intolerant parents, no other family around and very little contact with ‘small people’. I grew up with the following messages regularly reinforced…any of these sound familiar to anyone?


Kids are to be seen and not heard.
Kids are to speak only when spoken to.
What would you know? You are just a kid.
Kids were always sent outside to play so they wouldn't bother the adults while they relaxed.
Kids got blamed for everything in the house that went missing, as it couldn’t possibly have been the adults. And actually it was dad!
Kids are just so damn excitable and full of energy – calm down already!
Kids are smelly, loud expensive and parenting is work you don’t get paid for.

I can remember what it felt like to be that kid. At times, invisible, unwanted, un-important, a nuisance and silly. BUT still as a parent I catch myself expecting and thinking the same things as my parents and at times I hold my tongue in the interests of not spending all day of every day busting my boy’s balls...pick your battles they aren’t all worth fighting.

SO - Is it really important that we strive to ‘make’ our kids perfect RIGHT NOW every day to please everyone else, and make it easier for everyone else…and to satisfy those old conditioned expectations from our upbringings? Of course this might mean I am not thought a useless parent…SHOCK HORROR anything but that! You know what though…the mother and father mafia can bite my big hairy bahookey! Well behaved children do not equal good kids…in my experience it just meant I wasn’t getting caught!

What is the perfect child? What does having a perfect kid achieve ? So we may be the only ‘kid couple’ that our ‘no kid’ friends would ‘consider’ having around to their place. We could have the Bree Vandercamp look about town, we would colour co-ordinate and wear the happy functional family façade. In reality it would be miserable, there would be no enjoyment, he would have little self esteem, would become angry and sullen, would not learn self confidence or about making good decisions himself and would likely rebel and become a REAL bad kid.

Kids aren’t learning empathy and compassion, role models are fewer and further between and parents alone cannot move mountains. The science suggests that when kids get to school their peers become more influential than their parents. How many parents have you heard say that their kids will listen and obey others more easily at times than themselves…btw – this is actually a very common and natural thing and is nothing to do with these parents being ‘hopeless parents’

They are moving to start teaching empathy and compassion in the school curriculum. It’s a dog eat dog world now and everyone is out for themselves. Some parents don’t give a stuff about their kids. Lots of adults don’t give a stuff about kids generally either….so kids have to be tougher…and they are, aren’t they?! Can ya blame them?

[Usarka]

Asian kids are well behaved. Well, apart from the ones that become triads.

[Steam]

Asian kids are well behaved. Well, apart from the ones that become triads.

And apart from the ones that kill their friend and stuff them in a suitcase and dump them in the harbour in Auckland. Remember that?:jerry:

[JimO]

And apart from the ones that kill their friend and stuff them in a suitcase and dump them in the harbour in Auckland. Remember that?:jerry:

i knew him his name was Slowly Sinkin

[madandy]

If I can give my boy close to as goodan upbringing as I got I'll be a bloody proud Dad!
I remember the seen & not heard unless spoken to attitude but we certainly cut loose outside, away from the socialising/relaxing adults.
I still se heaps of kids playing the way we used to - out side, climbing trees and crashing pushbikes & all that stuff...
I have avoided career advancement via Auckland because where we're living now offers the semi rural atmosphere I regard as beneficial to growing kids.
My boy ever comes home talking & hand signalling like an Afro-American Gansta I'll reprimand him verbally, 'cause smacking is illegal, and send a polite E-mail to his teacher and the families of the influencial children he learnt the lingo from... :mad: but I hope the school we've moved house to be zoned to is above that shit.

There's a bit much freedom given to some kids- a lot of it is urban culture and takes some getting used to but much of that is garnered from visual media sourced from George W Bushes' fine Nation.

[Lissa]

Oh crikey.

Ive had alot of discussions with people who have kids about what it is like to bring them up in todays society. It is different being a child today than it was when I was a little one. Today children are given 'stuff' its easy to walk into a $2 shop or the warehouse and buy them whatever they like, young kids are given cellphones and tvs. In my day, we had one tiny little shop in town that sold toys and they were expensive, we went there just to look at stuff. Infact I had to wait until I was 21 before I got my first barbie doll... (sad, but true). Kids get used to getting stuff, parents buy them stuff because they want them to have what they didnt have as children. We want our children to be happy, but we have to give the emotional tools to make themselves happy, and you cant find happiness in 'stuff'. This can lead to children being spoilt, and selfish I think.

God... I love my children but I am not one of those 'coffee morning mums'. I couldnt stand going to these little groups where mothers would try to out dress each others child in the latest pumpkin patch clothing. These mums parade their children around... making them look like little adults.

Children get bored easily, they need to entertained with video games or tv or the latest transformer. I spent hours outside on my own (3 way older brothers who refused to play with me) making mud pies ... now a days parents wouldnt want their children to muck up the lawn. I encourage my children to get dirty, infact if it rains tonight (which I hope it does) I am going to make them run outside in it. I am not saying all parents are like this, but I think some children are turning into takers... they have no idea that that 'stuff' that they are given should be earned, not just handed to them.

[madandy]

Oh crikey.

Ive had alot of discussions with people who have kids about what it is like to bring them up in todays society. It is different being a child today than it was when I was a little one. Today children are given 'stuff' its easy to walk into a $2 shop or the warehouse and buy them whatever they like, young kids are given cellphones and tvs. In my day, we had one tiny little shop in town that sold toys and they were expensive, we went there just to look at stuff. Infact I had to wait until I was 21 before I got my first barbie doll... (sad, but true). Kids get used to getting stuff, parents buy them stuff because they want them to have what they didnt have as children. We want our children to be happy, but we have to give the emotional tools to make themselves happy, and you cant find happiness in 'stuff'. This can lead to children being spoilt, and selfish I think.

God... I love my children but I am not one of those 'coffee morning mums'. I couldnt stand going to these little groups where mothers would try to out dress each others child in the latest pumpkin patch clothing. These mums parade their children around... making them look like little adults.

Children get bored easily, they need to entertained with video games or tv or the latest transformer. I spent hours outside on my own (3 way older brothers who refused to play with me) making mud pies ... now a days parents wouldnt want their children to muck up the lawn. I encourage my children to get dirty, infact if it rains tonight (which I hope it does) I am going to make them run outside in it. I am not saying all parents are like this, but I think some children are turning into takers... they have no idea that that 'stuff' that they are given should be earned, not just handed to them.



ya damn right.
Mum's in the garden - go help her in the dirt.
Wash the bike and you might get some desert.
Mow the lawn and you'll get a new bike, one day.
Do ya homework now, then you go and play. :LOL:

[skelstar]

Funnily enough KB is full of threads about kids.
Funnily enough KB should be full of threads about bikes! :Pokey:

[Number One]

Mum's in the garden - go help her in the dirt.


OR - Dads in the garage...go help him in the oil :lol:

[Lissa]

Funnily enough KB should be full of threads about bikes! :Pokey:
And it is .... we are biking Mums afterall, at least this is alot better than talking about grass not growing, or how your cat might be a bi-sexual? :eek:

[Grahameeboy]

i knew him his name was Slowly Sinkin

Yeah, me too...he was a real "hard case".

[Number One]

And it is .... we are biking Mums afterall, at least this is alot better than talking about grass not growing, or how your cat might be a bi-sexual? :eek:

Birth stories!!!! :shutup::shit:

Just look out mr Skelster...or you'll really be sorry! :laugh::laugh:

[007XX]

any of these sound familiar to anyone?


Kids are to be seen and not heard.
Kids are to speak only when spoken to.
What would you know? You are just a kid.
Kids were always sent outside to play so they wouldn't bother the adults while they relaxed.
Kids got blamed for everything in the house that went missing, as it couldn’t possibly have been the adults. And actually it was dad!
Kids are just so damn excitable and full of energy – calm down already!
Kids are smelly, loud expensive and parenting is work you don’t get paid for.

I can remember what it felt like to be that kid. At times, invisible, unwanted, un-important, a nuisance and silly. BUT still as a parent I catch myself expecting and thinking the same things as my parents and at times I hold my tongue in the interests of not spending all day of every day busting my boy’s balls...pick your battles they aren’t all worth fighting.



Oh gawd yes...:yes:

When I had grown up enough not to be a little blond version of Shirley Temple with them luscious long curls, I suddenly became persona non grata within the adult circle...

No longer the interesting little trained cute monkey that performed on cue, I was very much relegated to the "play outside please, you're making too much noise!" scenario.

Now, Ok...who gives a toss about my Boohoo-poor-little-me story? Well actually my son does.
I have noticed that I will resort to sounding like my own parents in times of stress, and in today's society, who doesn't?

But I hate it...I absolutely despise myself when I am juggling with cooking dinner, trying to squizz some form of exercise so I don't start to droop in all the wrong places, and I try also to supervise homework...and all I want to do is sit and relax with my boy to coach him patiently instead of feeling frustrated about the fact that he still hasn't finished and dinner is just around the corner...

Parenthood is by far the most challenging thing that I have ever been given to do. If anything, the attitude of my parents has given me (I believe) a clearer perspective of what I do not want to do...and allows me to temper the impatient reactions and needs to reject my own offspring in favour of other daily tasks which just cry out for em to do them on a daily basis. In the long run, they are not important, he is.

No one trains you on how to be a parent and although your parents' approach may be a guideline, I do think your personal approach will be varied on who you are as an individual.

[Lissa]

Birth stories!!!! :shutup::shit:

Just look out mr Skelster...or you'll really be sorry! :laugh::laugh:

hehe yea... I have three really great stories I could tell Skellywag.

[enigma51]

I say beat the little fuckers if they do something wrong

[Number One]

Now, Ok...who gives a toss about my Boohoo-poor-little-me story? Well actually my son does.
I have noticed that I will resort to sounding like my own parents in times of stress, and in today's society, who doesn't?

Parenthood is by far the most challenging thing that I have ever been given to do. If anything, the attitude of my parents has given me (I believe) a clearer perspective of what I do not want to do...and allows me to temper the impatient reactions and needs to reject my own offspring in favour of other daily tasks which just cry out for em to do them on a daily basis. In the long run, they are not important, he is.

mmmhmmm - always a juggling act and your kids ain't the ball ya wanna drop! Thankful for the awareness and intelligence to use and apply my individual approach...not that I get it right all the time but at least I try :hug:

[Blue Velvet]

not that I get it right all the time

I think you and C do an oarsome job. HP is a very cool kid.


at least this is alot better than talking about grass not growing, or how your cat might be a bi-sexual?

I realised when I got to work that I'd put my knickers on inside out.

[007XX]

Oh crikey.

Ive had alot of discussions with people who have kids about what it is like to bring them up in todays society. It is different being a child today than it was when I was a little one. Today children are given 'stuff' its easy to walk into a $2 shop or the warehouse and buy them whatever they like, young kids are given cellphones and tvs. In my day, we had one tiny little shop in town that sold toys and they were expensive, we went there just to look at stuff. Infact I had to wait until I was 21 before I got my first barbie doll... (sad, but true). Kids get used to getting stuff, parents buy them stuff because they want them to have what they didnt have as children. We want our children to be happy, but we have to give the emotional tools to make themselves happy, and you cant find happiness in 'stuff'. This can lead to children being spoilt, and selfish I think.

God... I love my children but I am not one of those 'coffee morning mums'. I couldnt stand going to these little groups where mothers would try to out dress each others child in the latest pumpkin patch clothing. These mums parade their children around... making them look like little adults.

Children get bored easily, they need to entertained with video games or tv or the latest transformer. I spent hours outside on my own (3 way older brothers who refused to play with me) making mud pies ... now a days parents wouldnt want their children to muck up the lawn. I encourage my children to get dirty, infact if it rains tonight (which I hope it does) I am going to make them run outside in it. I am not saying all parents are like this, but I think some children are turning into takers... they have no idea that that 'stuff' that they are given should be earned, not just handed to them.

The thing is though: don't you think it is up to the parent to say that no matter the environment, they are going to raise their children with the right values, no matter what?

Saying that today's society is at fault is a cope out...Sure my son had his time asking for toys all the time, sure he was drooling at the mouth when out in Shopping Malls and asked for the toys, but did I give in? No...The fact is, we've never had a big garden to play in, nor enough money (when it was just him and I) to buy expensive toys. And honnestly, I often felt like the worst mother on Earth for having to tell him I couldn't affort that toy or whatever, but now, I can see he appreciates things for their true valor and he is only 10.

Now, a lot of people observing me and my son say i am a tough mother. And yes, I'll admit that I am. But I always try to be fair. My son does have toys, but from and early age (about 7 from memory), he started doing jobs around the house to earn any toys (apart for birthday and Xmas of course).
A week ago, I told him that if he was to save enough for one day on the mountain snowboarding (his new passion), I'd buy him the second day. Now, he is bugging me every five minutes for a job...

And he plays on our Xbox only maybe once a month if that, because he loves spending time with 007XY (stepdad) on Halo...that's their father/son time and that's cool, but they also fish, fly kites and ride bikes together.

Education nowadays is what we consciously make it, even though the outside factors are maybe less favorable than they might have been in the past.

Anyway, my 0.02 cents...I'll go back into my cave now :o

[Pwalo]

You guys (non-gender specific) take life far too seriously. People complain about the youth of today, just like the parents of the people of today complained about the youth of their day, just like the grandparents.........

Must be a bugger to feel that old.

[sugilite]

Well, the whole lay of the land has changed for children since, erm our day!

I've got four kids, and for the first time in 7 years, one of them has a male teacher at the primary/intermediate level. No male teachers is a bigger problem than many may think, esp with so many single parent families about now, no male role models n that.

Advertising - todays kids are absolutely bombarded with what they need to be cool and "in" with the cool crowd. They are also sexualising the advertising and porn clips, opps I mean music video clips. I don't believe kids are getting a childhood these days with all this shit in their faces. 12 is the new 17 etc, etc. I took my kids out the rat race for a rural lifestyle and schools that don't have bloody 'P' dealers at the gates. And yes, my kids really are having a real childhood. My step daughter tells me my oldest son is the most innocent 16 year old she has seen, and she says it like it is a bad thing and secretly plots behind my back to corrupt him, but she is to late, he has a mind of his own and makes his own choices, drugs and alcohol do not get a look in, he is to busy doing other cool things of his choosing. He is a primo role model for his younger brother both academically and morally. My two girls were spitfires (mini mums lol) and my own Mother was forever at me to "reign" them in. I didn't and the eldest is such a delight and what a sense of humour! she is a really good girl and the other one is also slowly coming out of the spitfire stage <_<

It's hard bringing up kids to be balanced, you have to give then enough freedom to make their own mistakes/minds up about things while still protecting their safety. It's a minefield out there, but it's not impossible to come out of it with balanced loving children :yes:

[Number One]

You guys (non-gender specific) take life far too seriously. People complain about the youth of today, just like the parents of the people of today complained about the youth of their day, just like the grandparents.........

Actually dude if you read the actual posts the issue we are discussing isn't about 'the kids' it's about adult attitudes towards the kids as a byproduct of their own upbringings.

[Trudes]

I'm a little confused about what this is all about, but as a woman who has no interest in being a 'parent' myself, I think I have a pretty good insight into kids, parents and family dynamics after 10 years of nannying and helping to raise countless children, and I always find it amusing when I get asked a child related question by parents, only to have it dismissed because "what would you know, you're not a parent", when the answer doesn't match what they've been doing! I have not given birth, so that somehow makes my views on child raising less valid.. hmmmmm.
Anyway.... I don't really have a point, except that Lissa's right, "you can't buy your children's love and they won't respect you for being a push over either" (words straight out of the mouth of the 10 year old I care for).

[Blue Velvet]

You guys take life far too seriously...complain...old

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Meh. You won't even ride Makara Road FFS.

[Number One]

I'm a little confused about what this is all about, but as a woman who has no interest in being a 'parent' myself, I think I have a pretty good insight into kids, parents and family dynamics after 10 years of nannying and helping to raise countless children, and I always find it amusing when I get asked a child related question by parents, only to have it dismissed because "what would you know, you're not a parent", when the answer doesn't match what they've been doing! I have not given birth, so that somehow makes my views on child raising less valid.. hmmmmm.
Anyway.... I don't really have a point, except that Lissa's right, "you can't buy your children's love and they won't respect you for being a push over either" (words straight out of the mouth of the 10 year old I care for).

Ha haa...I've met some of those parents :laugh: I would think 10 years experience would count for quite a bit actually, but then I'm not a 'complete' twat. The discussion is a musing on why you might be dis-interested or otherwise in having kids...do you think it has anything to do with the adult attitudes in your life as a kid...if you have kids do you find yourself reacting in ways that you know are just learned...etc etc AND anything else that gets in there too. I am also kinda interested in thoughts around whether in general people are less tolerant of kids and what the result of this might be down the track....what kind of people and parents are we all having a hand in creating? Keeping in mind that life is not a vacuum and we do all in small ways impact on others.

[Coyote]

Nyah nyah, I'm 18 now, I'm not a kid anymore, you can't complain about me :bleh:


They are moving to start teaching empathy and compassion in the school curriculum.
Really? Must say it's been long overdue. Instead they've been teaching economics, which is like anti-empathy/compassion.

As having just grown up with the latest batch of adults, I do not have high hopes for this world.

[Number One]

Nyah nyah, I'm 18 now, I'm not a kid anymore, you can't complain about me :bleh:.

Yes, yes we can...you are still a teenager! :girlfight: Ha ha...just kidding - unless you do something naughty and then I'll mean it :lol:



Really? Must say it's been long overdue. Instead they've been teaching economics, which is like anti-empathy/compassion.

As having just grown up with the latest batch of adults, I do not have high hopes for this world.

So do you think that us old bastard adults have had any affect on your batch? And by old bastard adults I don't just mean parents....what about old bastard adults in general and their attitude towards pre-adults.

[Pwalo]

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Meh. You won't even ride Makara Road FFS.

I did. I hated it. I used to love it when I was a young whipper snapper. Actually it's a bit like this thread.

And most of my sons' friends are pretty decent sorts. And I still don't understand why people seem to need to worry sooooo much about the youth of today. They were bad enough in my day.

[Coyote]

So do you think that us old bastard adults have had any affect on your batch? And by old bastard adults I don't just mean parents....what about old bastard adults in general and their attitude towards pre-adults.
In recent times the trend has turned away from 'you've done something bad so you will be punished' to 'my child is far to precious to be punished, how dare you punish them!'.

Adults nowadays want to be their child's best friend rather than their disciplinarian because they remember how much they hated their parents for 'being so mean'.

Now we have a bunch of adults that think the world owes them, with no morals. Their goals in life are for the idiots; cultivate and live off the dole and for the people who did well in school; go to business school and learn how to become a CEO, kissing arse and trampling those in their way.

Very generalised of course. But since the world is full of sheep, being general tends to cover the vast majority.

[Trudes]

Fooo bro, that's a lot to think about!!
I constantly get hassled about when our kids are going to be born by family members, but was definitely raised in a authoritative household, respect your elders was the biggest thing, was also raised in the country and so always had things to do outside and chores.
I guess two things that have influenced my not wanting kids is that my mum left when I was 12 and I spent two years being "mum" and housewife in the house, so I almost feel like I've done that shit and also the nanny jobs stop any maternal urges. Also my hubby doesn't want kids, and I ain't having kids with someone who doesn't want them.
I think people are not as hard on their kids these days and think people and society are more tolerant of children and their needs, however the spoiled kid thing is definitely a major issue these days and I attribute a lot of this to parents being afraid to say no to their kids in-case they no longer like them any more (???, good god, my mum said no constantly, can't say I liked it, but I got over it and love and respect her more than if I'd been given everything!), and due to guilt, especially working parents (esp mums), give the kids whatever they want because they feel guilty about not being with them all the time, so toys and shit is a substitute for time and attention.
I'm sure my upbringing has a lot to do with my views on kids and parenting, and often hear my mum's voice coming out of my mouth when I am talking to the critters I look after, however, I do think I am more tolerant of them (maybe because I am being paid to be), and I also don't yell and smack like my parents did (again, maybe because I'm not allowed to).
Does that answer your question?? Buggered if I know, I still believe parents should have to do classes and be given a license to have kids! :dodge:

[Number One]

I did. I hated it. I used to love it when I was a young whipper snapper. Actually it's a bit like this thread.

And most of my sons' friends are pretty decent sorts. And I still don't understand why people seem to need to worry sooooo much about the youth of today. They were bad enough in my day.

Maybe I'm being too subtle. Not worrying about the kids. This is about the adults and their attitudes towards kids and how those seem to have been shaped and whether adults are leaving room for kids to be kids so they can develop and mature fully in the face of a technology riddled, time poor, media soaked, image conscious society, full of disinterested, intolerant and at times abrasive kiljoy adults.

[Trudes]

In recent times the trend has turned away from 'you've done something bad so you will be punished' to 'my child is far to precious to be punished, how dare you punish them!'.

Adults nowadays want to be their child's best friend rather than their disciplinarian because they remember how much they hated their parents for 'being so mean'.

Now we have a bunch of adults that think the world owes them, with no morals. Their goals in life are for the idiots; cultivate and live off the dole and for the people who did well in school; go to business school and learn how to become a CEO, kissing arse and trampling those in their way.

Very generalised of course. But since the world is full of sheep, being general tends to cover the vast majority.

Goodness, so wise for so young!!! Agree totally with you!

[Blue Velvet]

I did. I hated it. I used to love it when I was a young whipper snapper.

Exactly my point.


I still don't understand why people seem to need to worry sooooo much about the youth of today.

It's been explained (a few times now) yet you're still missing the point of the thread.

[Number One]

In recent times the trend has turned away from 'you've done something bad so you will be punished' to 'my child is far to precious to be punished, how dare you punish them!'.

yeah I think that's a bit weird, I'm worried more about going too far the other way cos I would tend to assume he 'must' be at fault due to my own experience.



Adults nowadays want to be their child's best friend rather than their disciplinarian because they remember how much they hated their parents for 'being so mean'..

I'm pretty firm with my boy and my parents were firm and consistent with me. I appreciated that and I always knew where I stood. The 'mean' thing is different in my mind than consequences, which I think you refer to above. To me that's the shutting outside, not including, not valuing kids contribution stuff - to me that is being really mean to your kids.


Now we have a bunch of adults that think the world owes them, with no morals. Their goals in life are for the idiots; cultivate and live off the dole and for the people who did well in school; go to business school and learn how to become a CEO, kissing arse and trampling those in their way.

...I think you are right and the empathy compassion stuff may be of use. If it is done well that is. Interesting subject to contemplate taking into a classroom...

Again though - what about general adults attitudes, not just parents. Do the younguns even notice them? :shutup:

[Coyote]

Again though - what about general adults attitudes, not just parents. Do the younguns even notice them? :shutup:
They're either too arrogant to care or enjoy older people's grief (well, just people's grief in general).

Goodness, so wise for so young!!! Agree totally with you!
I must've been raised right then.

I was never in a very religious family, some belief but not church goers, but I was always taught the morals stemmed from there. Treat others as you wished to be treated and such. Scary just how many people aren't aware of such concepts. Dad being a smoker but quitting made me avoid that route too.

[Number One]

They're either too arrogant to care or enjoy older people's grief (well, just people's grief in general)..

Hmmm that attitude 'developed'...probably from watching and interacting with all the 'too arrogant to care or enjoy kids' adults. :whistle:

[Coyote]

Hmmm that attitude 'developed'...probably from watching and interacting with all the 'too arrogant to care or enjoy kids' adults. :whistle:
Exactly.

I have good experience in the matter due to bad neighbours in the past. The mother was, well, nuts. She took our plea to turn her stereo down as a personal attack and then sought to make our lives, particularly my mum's, a misery. Her 3 kids (and 1 from another relationship) joined in, soon followed by the kid's friends in the neighbourhood and then by their parents. Some examples of the insanity were the police coming to out door at 3am to tell us to turn our porchlight off (this after asking for the police's help for the last year and getting nothing but sound control arriving once the stereo had been turned off and us being told to stop wasting their time), there was the paedophilia accusation after we took some very blurry photographic evidence of the kids climbing on top of our brand new fence with water guns, water bombs and sticks with dog shit on them and throwing them at our cat, and the women next door told the police that she was scared that these pornographic photos we took of her children had been spread across the internet, and the baked beaning of our cat and our letterbox just before the Open day when we tried selling the place.

Toward the later days the police did take our side after they interviewed them and the women contradicted herself several times over and did appear to not be straight in the head.

This is what a lot of kids these days are being raised up to be.


By the way, the new place we're at is great! Our next door neighbours were part of that drug raid in Upper Hutt where they found several assault rifles (so that's where all those gunshot sounds were coming from! I thought their car just backfired!) and the people that replaced them have a loud stereo with plenty of bass and ride an old 2 stroke MXer at 11:30 at night! Woo!


Bonus rant!: Got to love computers. Hit send, computer freezes, have to write all this again :rolleyes:

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Our next door neighbours were part of that drug raid in Upper Hutt where they found several assault rifles (so that's where all those gunshot sounds were coming from! I thought their car just backfired!) and the people that replaced them have a loud stereo with plenty of bass and ride an old 2 stroke MXer at 11:30 at night! Woo!

OOOPS see below instead!

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Our next door neighbours were part of that drug raid in Upper Hutt where they found several assault rifles (so that's where all those gunshot sounds were coming from! I thought their car just backfired!) and the people that replaced them have a loud stereo with plenty of bass and ride an old 2 stroke MXer at 11:30 at night! Woo!

Ha haa - I'm an Upper Hutt escapee - so I can imagine the flatting joys you are currently experiencing!

Once had a party shut down cos my neighbour was threatening to blow himself up with a gas bottle...we were all marched down the street - prrrfffft! The next weekend another party (shoulda learned by now) was shut down cos my neighbour in the flat two doors down had been found dead and I was the last to speak with him - double prrrfffft!

Good luck with the new neighbours :laugh:

[Pwalo]

Exactly my point.



It's been explained (a few times now) yet you're still missing the point of the thread.

Which point? You realise that this is in the rant or race (sorry rave) section. I blame Dr Spock. And the Wiggles. And how can you take anything which has 'grumpybums' in the title seriously.

Now get back to work.

[Coyote]

Ha haa - I'm an Upper Hutt escapee - so I can imagine the flatting joys you are currently experiencing!

Once had a party shut down cos my neighbour was threatening to blow himself up with a gas bottle...we were all marched down the street - prrrfffft! The next weekend another party (shoulda learned by now) was shut down cos my neighbour in the flat two doors down had been found dead and I was the last to speak with him - double prrrfffft!

Good luck with the new neighbours :laugh:
The sad thing is I'm not flatting, I'm at home with the parents. The last place was around flats, but this place is just standard suburbia. Can't escape the idiots unless you have enough cash for a lifestyle block. :(

Most of my friends aren't local so I go out of Upper Hutt for parties. Sounds like I'm missing out :p

Cheers :banana: