Gear advice

[Vapor]

Hey all,

Just wondering what the best pants are generally for summer/hot riding.

I currently have a leather jacket, and Cordura pants.

I find that the pants get soooo hot its not funny.. Like I mean its like a boiler suit. Are leather pants any better for heat? Or should I be looking at something like draggin jeans?

Any other alternatives?

Cheers

Vapor

[Pussy]

Hey all,

Just wondering what the best pants are generally for summer/hot riding.

I currently have a leather jacket, and Cordura pants.

I find that the pants get soooo hot its not funny.. Like I mean its like a boiler suit. Are leather pants any better for heat? Or should I be looking at something like draggin jeans?

Any other alternatives?

Cheers

Vapor

Those who know me will tell you my thoughts on draggin jeans. Don't touch them, unless you're only going for a pootle to the shops on smooth asphalt. Go for leather pants, Vapor. Talk to Quasi, he'll have the right ones for you

[babyblade250rr]

Hey all,

Just wondering what the best pants are generally for summer/hot riding.

I currently have a leather jacket, and Cordura pants.

I find that the pants get soooo hot its not funny.. Like I mean its like a boiler suit. Are leather pants any better for heat? Or should I be looking at something like draggin jeans?

Any other alternatives?

Cheers

Vapor

yeah just ordered some new quasi leather gear and spoke to a guy that uses them already apparently the jackets and pants are as ventilated as any fabric/codura gear

[Southern man]

As far as I can figure out. A small amount of discomfort is a minor price to pay for the security of proper certified armour. Be it leather or codura is a personal opinion. I think both are be uncomfortable under certain conditions. I guess it comes down to what you value more. Comfort or safety. For what it's worth.

[BiK3RChiK]

I'd rather have all my gear on! Seen a couple of idiots in the past few days with shorts and sneakers and the like.. Even seen one fool with no helmet! Brain Dead! He had ape hangers too! Mind you, I live in the Eastern Bay.. What should I expect?

[YellowDog]

I believe that it is still the case that leather is the only material able to give you protection and ventilation to keep you cool.

You would have thought with all the modern technological advances, by now, there would be something synthetic to do the job even better than leather does!

[Okey Dokey]

You would have thought with all the modern technological advances, by now, there would be something synthetic to do the job even better than leather does!

Off topic, but funny you should say that. I would rate merino wool as a fibre well over any polarfleece/technologically developed stuff. It's hygroscopic (absorbs moisture from air) so provides superior ventilation to tech fabrics which rely on the weave to allow evaporation. Sometime's it's hard to beat Mother Nature.

For what it's worth, I'd go with leather every time.

[Pwalo]

Try a few of the alternatives (leather/ kevlar lined jeans, etc), and then buy whatever you feel most comfortable in.

At the end of the day both offer more protection than ordinary trousers, and if you don't like wearing them you won't.

[madandy]

Good leather gear will breath as good as good textile and be more comfortable IMHO as well as lasting longer IE: more than one accident.
My Quasi Racer9 pants are better heat and cooling wise (thanks to perforations and fancy panels) than my zipper vented BMW textile touring pants, and more comfortable. And the leather pants are black whereas the BMW gear is white & blue!
Safety first and it doesn't have to be a compromise :)

[BIHB@0610]

And men's bums look better in leather than in anything else I've seen .... just my humble chick's opinion ............

[madandy]

ditto for Womens' backsides :woohoo: :niceone:

[All]

Those who know me will tell you my thoughts on draggin jeans. Don't touch them, unless you're only going for a pootle to the shops on smooth asphalt. Go for leather pants, Vapor. Talk to Quasi, he'll have the right ones for youWhat's wrong with Draggin jeans? Have you had a bad experience with them?

[Mikkel]

I have a pair of Draggin Cargoes that I use around town on REALLY hot days.

If you can afford it Alpinestar's Track Pant are very nice indeed - plenty of ventilation there.

[discotex]

These look like the business.

http://motoretail.co.nz/product.cfm?ID=5919

Not going to be quite as good protection as leather but certainly as good as codura and WAY cooler.

[James Deuce]

Chose the gear that is appropriate to negotiate the corner ahead... Doh!

I wear Kevlar lined jeans commuting because I don't have to get changed at work. I wear them touring because it keeps me in relaxed and looking about mode.

I wear leather on really hot days because it seems to insulate you from the heat the engine generates and I don't get nearly as hot in leather as I do in jeans or cordura. After crashing in cordura twice I've gone right off it for leg protection. Hips and knees take a pounding and I find that leather or Kevlar lined jeans don't wear through as quickly as cordura, even cordura with "CE approved" armour. I'd like to have a chat with those CE people. Low speed spill and the armour gets penetrated and I lode skin and stick to the trousers and have to get them cut and soaked off. Wear Kevlar lined jeans and not a mark on me.

I've broken lots of bones wearing full leather and none in cordura or kevlar lined denim.

The brain is a funny thing.

[All]

Chose the gear that is appropriate to negotiate the corner ahead... Doh!

I wear Kevlar lined jeans commuting because I don't have to get changed at work. I wear them touring because it keeps me in relaxed and looking about mode.

I wear leather on really hot days because it seems to insulate you from the heat the engine generates and I don't get nearly as hot in leather as I do in jeans or cordura. After crashing in cordura twice I've gone right off it for leg protection. Hips and knees take a pounding and I find that leather or Kevlar lined jeans don't wear through as quickly as cordura, even cordura with "CE approved" armour. I'd like to have a chat with those CE people. Low speed spill and the armour gets penetrated and I lode skin and stick to the trousers and have to get them cut and soaked off. Wear Kevlar lined jeans and not a mark on me.

I've broken lots of bones wearing full leather and none in cordura or kevlar lined denim.

The brain is a funny thing.Interesting post. What sort of Kevlar jeans? I had a low speed spill in some Shift kevlar jeans and they were an absolute joke (stay well away from this shit). I later learnt that the reinforced bits are only 5% kevlar (whereas Draggin jeans are 100%, I think). I've since switched to Draggin.

[James Deuce]

Draggin's.

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[Pussy]

What's wrong with Draggin jeans? Have you had a bad experience with them?

Not me, but my missus. She was knocked off her bike in 2002 by a woman in a Porsche (who incidently was not much more than a life support system for a cunt) at about 105km/h, on relatively new coarse chip tar seal. The seal abraided through the kevlar with ease, and left her knee cap as a 15m trail of mince on the road. She was VERY lucky not to lose her leg above the knee, the medical people were tossing the idea up for about 4 weeks.
Draggin jeans might be alright for pootling about town on smooth asphalt, but for anything else, steer clear of them. Trust me

[All]

Damn, I think that's the only time I've heard of Draggin jeans failing so badly.
Not me, but my missus. She was knocked off her bike in 2002 by a woman in a Porsche (who incidently was not much more than a life support system for a cunt)That sounds like so many people on the road.

[James Deuce]

Damn, I think that's the only time I've heard of Draggin jeans failing so badly.That sounds like so many people on the road.

I've tried to tell him that it would have happened in leathers and hard armour may have amputated the leg at the knee, but it's all conjecture. One person's bad experience does not necessarily mean there is a product issue. A helmet isn't going to save you if something cuts your head off, is it?

Protective gear isn't going to work ATT, irrespective of whether you possess an ATGATT attitude or a jandals and wife beater mentality. I still broke my neck and back in a low speed accident and I was wearing ATG. *shrug*

[All]

I've tried to tell him that it would have happened in leathers and hard armour may have amputated the leg at the knee, but it's all conjecture. One person's bad experience does not necessarily mean there is a product issue. A helmet isn't going to save you if something cuts your head off, is it?

Protective gear isn't going to work ATT, irrespective of whether you possess an ATGATT attitude or a jandals and wife beater mentality. I still broke my neck and back in a low speed accident and I was wearing ATG. *shrug*I was thinking the same thing, honestly. But you're right, it's all conjecture. The other thing is how old/worn the Draggin pants were, whether they'd been dried inside out with the kevlar in the sun, washed to often, etc.

[Pussy]

I was thinking the same thing, honestly. But you're right, it's all conjecture. The other thing is how old/worn the Draggin pants were, whether they'd been dried inside out with the kevlar in the sun, washed to often, etc.

None of the above

[Pussy]

I've tried to tell him that it would have happened in leathers and hard armour may have amputated the leg at the knee, but it's all conjecture. One person's bad experience does not necessarily mean there is a product issue. A helmet isn't going to save you if something cuts your head off, is it?

Protective gear isn't going to work ATT, irrespective of whether you possess an ATGATT attitude or a jandals and wife beater mentality. I still broke my neck and back in a low speed accident and I was wearing ATG. *shrug*

At the end of the day, Jim, I hate to see ANYONE getting hurt, and if experiences I've had can contribute to someone else's well being, all good :yes:

[toebug]

I wear Draggin jeans in the summer and find them to be quite comfortable. The knees armour that comes with them sucks because there are no pokets inside the pants to hold it in place, you just position it on your knees and it has velcroe on the back which doesnt hold well to the kevlar and falls down. To combat this I just wear some MX kness guards instead becasue having been down the road a few times, I feel naked without armour.

I am a boatbuilder so I have worked with kevlar in boats. A high speed disc grinder wont cut the shit, the best quality scissors still only last 2 minutes, so having some understanding of its mechanical properties I am happy to have it protect my body.

[zeocen]

Has anyone had any experience with Teknic kevlar jeans? They're not completely kevlar, only in the vital areas and with the talk of the Shift ones only being 5% reinforced kevlar, now I'm not so sure I want to cut corners :/

[discotex]

Has anyone had any experience with Teknic kevlar jeans? They're not completely kevlar, only in the vital areas and with the talk of the Shift ones only being 5% reinforced kevlar, now I'm not so sure I want to cut corners :/

I've got a pair. Haven't crashed in them but they make me feel better than normal jeans. Half the price of draggin and almost as much kevlar. Quasi's would be worth a look too.

Personally I feel I'm compromising my safety when I wear jeans (kevlar or not) but for commuting it's just so much easier. When I leave town I almost always wear my codura with armour and I'm planning to upgrade to leather.

[All]

Has anyone had any experience with Teknic kevlar jeans? They're not completely kevlar, only in the vital areas and with the talk of the Shift ones only being 5% reinforced kevlar, now I'm not so sure I want to cut corners :/Draggin jeans aren't all Kevlar either, just the reinforced lining at the knees, butt, and sides. The point is that this lining is 100% Kevlar, whereas the lining in the Shift ones was only about 5%.