How much does a litre bike cost you?

[Coyote]

I want to know whether I could possibly afford it.

-How much are the tyres you get and how often do you get them?
-What about chains and sprockets?
-Other consumables? Go through pads quicker with a heavier bike I'd imagine.
-How much is insurance for you? (though it's probably going to be significantly more for me...)
-Fuel economy? (as far as I'm aware they're as good or better than my VFR).
-How much does each service interval cost?
-Anything I'm missing?
-Are 600's and 750's that much cheaper that I should go for one instead? They aren't much cheaper in initial cost which is why I'm lured more toward a 1000.

I'm looking into the future, I haven't got a job yet since I'm not sure if I'm getting into Weltec or not. Just it'd be good to crush any dreams now so I stop wasting my time looking at bikes on trademe and sighing.

[Deano]

Seriously, nah I mean seriously - consider getting a race bike and keep the 400 for the odd jaunt up the Taka's or commuting on.

Road bikes are sooo over-rated.

If I'd known now what I knew then, I would have been racing many years ago. It is much easier than people might think, especially with KB as a network.

[skelstar]

Well other things to consider. Buy an 8 year old litre bike and you can afford a lot more tyres ...

[cowpoos]

Seriously, nah I mean seriously - consider getting a race bike and keep the 400 for the odd jaunt up the Taka's or commuting on.

Road bikes are sooo over-rated.

If I'd known now what I knew then, I would have been racing many years ago. It is much easier than people might think, especially with KB as a network.
Deano's on to it bro!!! If I were your age again...I wise I had discovered racing road bikes!!

[Paulus]

For normal sporty road use (no track days):
Front tyre 6000-7000km.
Back tyre 4000-5000km.
Chain and sprockets 15000-20000km.
Brake pads - no more than any other bike.
Insurance $600 per year.
Fuel economy around 14km per litre.
Normal 5000km service $150-$200.

Hope that helps.

[Subike]

I want to know whether I could possibly afford it.

-How much are the tyres you get and how often do you get them?
-What about chains and sprockets?
-Other consumables? Go through pads quicker with a heavier bike I'd imagine.
-How much is insurance for you? (though it's probably going to be significantly more for me...)
-Fuel economy? (as far as I'm aware they're as good or better than my VFR).
-How much does each service interval cost?
-Anything I'm missing?
-Are 600's and 750's that much cheaper that I should go for one instead? They aren't much cheaper in initial cost which is why I'm lured more toward a 1000.

I'm looking into the future, I haven't got a job yet since I'm not sure if I'm getting into Weltec or not. Just it'd be good to crush any dreams now so I stop wasting my time looking at bikes on trademe and sighing.



If I ever had to think of any of those things, then I would just stop riding
But my Old bike, just dont want to lie down and die
Sure it costs money to maintain....but so do women...and bikes dont talk back to you.......and still can get you as much sex as you need,, just varied sex not the same ol same old.

Tyres,fuel, oil, all cheaper than any cage over the years

Ok Insurance may be dearer, but thats just how it is!

[madmal64]

I want to know whether I could possibly afford it.

-How much are the tyres you get and how often do you get them?
-What about chains and sprockets?
-Other consumables? Go through pads quicker with a heavier bike I'd imagine.
-How much is insurance for you? (though it's probably going to be significantly more for me...)
-Fuel economy? (as far as I'm aware they're as good or better than my VFR).
-How much does each service interval cost?
-Anything I'm missing?
-Are 600's and 750's that much cheaper that I should go for one instead? They aren't much cheaper in initial cost which is why I'm lured more toward a 1000.

I'm looking into the future, I haven't got a job yet since I'm not sure if I'm getting into Weltec or not. Just it'd be good to crush any dreams now so I stop wasting my time looking at bikes on trademe and sighing.
Lots of questions there and its relatively easy to answer from my perspective only.
Tires: Roughly $600 a set and I get 6000-7000 k per set
Chain & Sprockets: around $300 and since I have been a bit of a lazy shit Im getting around 15000 k before I replace them. I know I could do better with a better maintenance schedule
Brake pads: hell they are giving me bloody good mileage. Not sure if its the Brembo set up but my bike is really gentle on them. I think the v twin helps too
Insurance: Well Im an old fart with a clean(ish) license so its cheap at under $700
Fuel Economy: 200ks per 15lt
Service: Average $300 but the big services are around $700-$800. I tend to do the small services myself so that cost is less than $120 usually but I have given you the cost IF I put it in the shop

My Questions are
Why 1000?
What do you plan to do with this bike?
What type of bike where you thinking of?

See for me my bike/s are for fun not my main functional transport so my reasons for having what I have are different to what others have their bikes for.
I ilke my 1000 for its ease of use, can track day it, tour it, commute it, do 1000k day rides, load up luggage & a pillion and piss off for a week. Its a good all rounder

[Zoolander]

Depends on how you ride it mainly. If you're interested I'm selling my R1, see my profile, its bloody tidy, only done 10,500km, brand new Pilot Power 2CT tyres, I'll get a new wof and rego before it goes. Haven't advertised it yet but I'd do a lower price for a fellow KB'r!

[R6_kid]

ex race tyres - $250 a set, and up to 4000-5000km if you dont ride hard all the time.

[scracha]

-Are 600's and 750's that much cheaper that I should go for one instead? They aren't much cheaper in initial cost which is why I'm lured more toward a 1000.


Insurance aside, the expense is directly proportional to your right hand. If you can afford the speeding tickets, etc then get the litre beastie. If you can show restraint then it won't be more expensive...but then again I don't know many people who can...and if they do then what's the point in owning a litre bike? Oh hell...this sounds like a thread from a few months ago. I doubt I'll ever bother owning another big sports bike on the road. Just one hassle and expense after another. Mind you, it's something you just HAVE to get out your system innit :devil2:

[NighthawkNZ]

I want to know whether I could possibly afford it.

-How much are the tyres you get and how often do you get them?

$300 front 15 000ks
$360 rear about 10 000k



-What about chains and sprockets?

chains sprockets about $400.
I have scott oiler adds to the live of the chain and sprockets ten fold


-Other consumables? Go through pads quicker with a heavier bike I'd imagine.

I haven't changed my brake pads in 20 000 kms. Big Vtwin has heaps of engine braking...


-How much is insurance for you? (though it's probably going to be significantly more for me...)

I forget what I pay and I am sure there are cheaper insurances, just that I have all our insurance through single company. but I think its about 600 per year


-Fuel economy? (as far as I'm aware they're as good or better than my VFR).

depends on how you want to ride, and whether an inline four, V-Twin, triple... My 19liter tank gets me about 250km before I must fill


-How much does each service interval cost?
mine is every 12000ks... depends what service it is. My last service cost $400, but the one befoore that cost about $100


-Anything I'm missing?
Fun factor... priceless


-Are 600's and 750's that much cheaper that I should go for one instead? They aren't much cheaper in initial cost which is why I'm lured more toward a 1000.
probably a little cheaper but overall minimal difference,


I'm looking into the future, I haven't got a job yet since I'm not sure if I'm getting into Weltec or not. Just it'd be good to crush any dreams now so I stop wasting my time looking at bikes on trademe and sighing.

Never hurts to look.. at the end of the day I no longer worry about how much its costing... As Subike said if I thought about it I would stop riding


Insurance aside, the expense is directly proportional to your right hand. If you can afford the speeding tickets, etc then get the litre beastie. If you can show restraint then it won't be more expensive...but then again I don't know many people who can...and if they do then what's the point in owning a litre bike? Oh hell...this sounds like a thread from a few months ago. I doubt I'll ever bother owning another big sports bike on the road. Just one hassle and expense after another. Mind you, it's something you just HAVE to get out your system innit

you can get just as many speeding tickets on a 250, or a cage :scratch:

[crash harry]

Tyres - as others have said, bank on about 5000ks off a rear, about 2 rears to a front or there abouts
Brakes - litre bikes don't really weigh that much more than 600s so no real difference there
Fuel - I'm getting not much change out orf 10km/litre - but then I give it death...
Chains / sprockets - get a scott oiler and forget about it, they'll last forever

Having said all that, I was riding a ZX6R in the UK for a year before I bought the R1, and I have to say that the power delivery of the 600 class bike really had me - I'd go so far as to say I preferred it. It could use damn near as much fuel/brakes/tyres/chains as the thou anyway, it all depends how hard you thrash it really

[scracha]

litre bike..blah blah

More to the point..what the hell happened to my massive high score on Asteroids?

[jafar]

If you need to ask if you can afford it then you probably can't .:lol:

[homer]

To answer a question if you can afford it

i still cant afford it
9 cages and on my 5 bike now

i just spent ..oh yeah ticked up at the shop ...in the last 4 weeks $160 for a rack bag $260 for a new front "which i dont need yet " but do in 4 weeks
a clutch lever for a gn $20 and $60 for panniers off trade me

I need a full service in about 2 months time ??????

then i should be spending nothing for about 3 months till i need a new rear tyre at $360

[homer]

In all honesty

The size of the bike may not make a lot of diff in cost .....other than tyres
you still have the same jobs to do

[madbikeboy]

Tires - fronts 5-6,000k's, rear 600-1,500 k's. Or 2 track days. Or one night in town...
Chains and sprockets? - My gixer eats chains. 1.5 per year.
-Other consumables? Do speeding tickets count? Mine's been perfectly reliable, but I do oil and filters more often than recommended.
-How much is insurance for you? $580?
-Fuel economy? Umm, 16 litres gets me 180k's Or, if I'm thrashing, MUCH less.
-Are 600's and 750's that much cheaper? Yes, hugely cheaper. And a better step. And faster in the real world (at least, a good 600 feels fast).

But, and here's the but, despite being more expensive than a beautiful bitch mistress, the 1000's have a certain rush. Unless you own a Fireblade.

I'm looking into the future, I haven't got a job yet since I'm not sure if I'm getting into Weltec or not. Just it'd be good to crush any dreams now so I stop wasting my time looking at bikes on trademe and sighing.
Quit fucking around, get yourself into school and get qualified. Then you can afford to have 2 litre bikes (like me).

[Drunken Monkey]

Well if you just want to be an accountant about it, the 750 wins every time. The 750 is more thrashable, slightly better economy (probably got 20-40 kms more per tank on average), (rear) tyre lasted about 2000kms longer.

But riding a thou gives you a grin you just can't replicate.

I don't miss the Y.

[scracha]

you can get just as many speeding tickets on a 250, or a cage :scratch:

Hmm.. I can pootle about quite happily at 100 on a wee bike but the big uns just positively beg me to twist the go faster thingie. I mean, they're barely in their stride at 140. Overtake a couple of cars '$hit i'm doing 180'. Gas away from lights ...'sh!t i'm doing 80 in town'. Gas it through corner ...'shit i'm doing 100something by the exit'. Maybe it's just me but I can't be the only one with no restraint. I also can't be the only one who finds it a bit pointless having a bike where you can never legally red-line it even in 1st.

But we all agree, it's something you've got to experience.

[Finn]

How much does a litre bike cost you? Your life if you're not careful.

[Coyote]

Seriously, nah I mean seriously - consider getting a race bike and keep the 400 for the odd jaunt up the Taka's or commuting on.

Road bikes are sooo over-rated.

If I'd known now what I knew then, I would have been racing many years ago. It is much easier than people might think, especially with KB as a network.
Had a few road racers and have had bad experiences. My old CBR250 I wrecked twice in one day (after going to the front and leading for a while) and was off the track and road for 6 months. My RG I was shit scared of hurting it and being off the road that I was a pussy when I took it to the track, got the bike back on the road to get some confidence back but wrecked it being too confident. My old KX80 was awesome though and I'd be keen to get a motard, I road an XR650 and thought that was awesome. Pop a wheelie then the exhaust backfires, whee!

I'm keen to get back into racing. I was thinking the 400 would be good once I replaced it with another bike.

A racer I know on here that'll remain nameless has scared me away a bit from racing too saying how much money he has to waste to get bugger all out of it.

Deano's on to it bro!!! If I were your age again...I wise I had discovered racing road bikes!!
See above, I've already discovered it and I'd love to do it.

I have a minimoto that's built for racing...


My Questions are
Why 1000?
What do you plan to do with this bike?
What type of bike where you thinking of?

See for me my bike/s are for fun not my main functional transport so my reasons for having what I have are different to what others have their bikes for.
I ilke my 1000 for its ease of use, can track day it, tour it, commute it, do 1000k day rides, load up luggage & a pillion and piss off for a week. Its a good all rounder
It'll be a commuter/weekend bike. I've held my car learners for 3 years and have no will to get a car. I really need something reliable, something I didn't get when I got my 400. I'd like something modernish, preferably within 8 years old so I can use it to secure a loan. I've also been thinking a 1000 cause a larger engine doesn't labour so much, the 400 you have to rape the clutch to get it moving and a 600 still needs to chop through gears to get any power. I prefer inline 4's but also want a bike with torque so a 1000 sportsbike seems like not such a silly idea.

Also I wanted to take a larger step. I missed out going 250-600 and really going 250-400 wasn't that exciting. I'm still keen on a 750, think I'd get a kick out of that.

In saying that I'd be keen for a 600 if a decent one came up when I had the cash. I'd be happy with my 400 if it hadn't cost me half of it's original cost to just keep it on the road, and there's still more money I need to spend on it to get it right.

Mind you, it's something you just HAVE to get out your system innit :devil2:
Pretty much, think I'll continue to pine for one until I have/had one. The 400 was the sensible choice and everyone told me to go for a VFR, but I ended up getting something horribly unreliable (been in the shop for nearly 3 weeks now) that's cost me as much as a 600 now, maybe a less sensible choice could turn out to be better.

More to the point..what the hell happened to my massive high score on Asteroids?
Did someone beat it? :whistle:

In all honesty

The size of the bike may not make a lot of diff in cost .....other than tyres
you still have the same jobs to do


Are 600's and 750's that much cheaper? Yes, hugely cheaper. And a better step. And faster in the real world (at least, a good 600 feels fast).
Interesting, I was thinking the first comment. My 400 costs about the same in tyres it seems and goes through them quick too. But then a 1000 does have more power to stress everything.


I'm looking into the future, I haven't got a job yet since I'm not sure if I'm getting into Weltec or not. Just it'd be good to crush any dreams now so I stop wasting my time looking at bikes on trademe and sighing.
Quit fucking around, get yourself into school and get qualified. Then you can afford to have 2 litre bikes (like me).
Sorry, made it seem like I was just sitting around. I'm waiting on the call from Weltec to see if I get in or not. I've done an interview which I think went well. I'm overqualified to do the course anyway, only need NCEA level 1.

How much does a litre bike cost you? Your life if you're not careful.
I had several hairy moments on my old 150. But that's because it had thin tyres and bad suspension.

[White trash]

My K3 Gix used to cost aproximately the following.

Pair of Metzeler Racetecs, $520, last 1100-1500 km.
Tank of gas, 16-17 (at the time) and go about 220km.
Insurance, $830 per annum.
Brake pads, say $100 a set, about 4000km.

I fucken wish to god somebody had smacked me into keeping my Alstare 600 as travelling at least 300kms, more likely 400kms a week almost bankrupt me on the thou'.

[Pex Adams]

I hope these guys have put you off - they certainly have for me, I'm selling up and buying a Vespa..

Deano I'll see you on the Taka's, look out:scooter::scooter: :scooter: :scooter:

[Sully60]

Pair of Metzeler Racetecs, $520, last 1100-1500 km.


Just to put a different spin on that mileage figure, if you plan to ride a thousand at somewhere close to what they're capable of on the road(so really nowhere near their absolute limit) and you want to ride it as much as possible it is not at all difficult to do those miles in two weeks.

So just think about the possibility of new tyre every two weeks:eek:

This is why I don't ride one, I'm a cheapskate poor bastard!

[koba]

Pretty much, think I'll continue to pine for one until I have/had one. The 400 was the sensible choice and everyone told me to go for a VFR, but I ended up getting something horribly unreliable (been in the shop for nearly 3 weeks now) that's cost me as much as a 600 now, maybe a less sensible choice could turn out to be better.


I had several hairy moments on my old 150. But that's because it had thin tyres and bad suspension.

I think that may have been more of a case of choosing a bad example of a good bike.

Don't kid yourself, tyres and suspension, no matter how good, will always have limits.
It is only your right hand that regulates how close you get to those limits.
If you were riding a Thou you may still have found those limits, only probably at many times the speed with a much higher likleyhood of death or serious injury.

If you can get past the "I wanna faster one" I think somthing about the level of the 400 is about all you need on the road. maybe a 600 bandit or somthing?
Cheap and reliable are better to look for in your situation. forget speed.

You have a compedttave nature that I have seen first hand get you into trouble on the road. Buying a litre bike for the road, I think, would be a very bad and likely fatal mistake.

Instead channel that enthusiasm and competitivness into a track bike.
Don't look past a bucket as sense of speed is only relitive to the situation.

I don't mean to sound like I'm having a go, I just think It is the better way to go.

You are the one who has to decide that tho.

Deano cowpoos and sully have already lived it. been there done that. their advice must count for somthing.

[R1madness]

sounds like you guys are not lubeing your chain often enough or not properly. I regularly see 45000km on a chain and do not run a scott oiler. Just give it a really good clean and lube every 1000 km or 2 weeks, whatever comes first. My R1 did 52000km on its std chain, I had it from 5200km. It was not ridden nana style. I even won a Drag title on it.
Clean, lube, sit overnight, ride the ass off it.
Yahooooooo

[White trash]

Just to put a different spin on that mileage figure, if you plan to ride a thousand at somewhere close to what they're capable of on the road(so really nowhere near their absolute limit) and you want to ride it as much as possible it is not at all difficult to do those miles in two weeks.

So just think about the possibility of new tyre every two weeks:eek:

This is why I don't ride one, I'm a cheapskate poor bastard!
What really used to annoy me, was that I'd go for a weekend thrash around the 'rapa, spend forty bucks on fuel, and 250-300 on tyres. That's just madness. Now I race one, spend $25 on fuel and $450 on tyres for 20 laps. What the fuck am I thinking?

[Finn]

Now I race one, spend $25 on fuel and $450 on tyres for 20 laps. What the fuck am I thinking?

You forgot to mention the $3000 on fairings...

[madbikeboy]

sounds like you guys are not lubeing your chain often enough or not properly. I regularly see 45000km on a chain and do not run a scott oiler. Just give it a really good clean and lube every 1000 km or 2 weeks, whatever comes first. My R1 did 52000km on its std chain, I had it from 5200km. It was not ridden nana style. I even won a Drag title on it.
Clean, lube, sit overnight, ride the ass off it.
Yahooooooo

I lube my chain religiously, but I live right on the coast, and the sand gets from the beach, onto the road, and then on the chain. It's like mtbing up at woodhill, sand eats chains. I clean it regularly, but... Also, my bike has one or two little performance enhancements which seems to adversely affect life of components like tires, chains, licences...

[madbikeboy]

My K3 Gix used to cost aproximately the following.

Pair of Metzeler Racetecs, $520, last 1100-1500 km.
Tank of gas, 16-17 (at the time) and go about 220km.
Insurance, $830 per annum.
Brake pads, say $100 a set, about 4000km.

I fucken wish to god somebody had smacked me into keeping my Alstare 600 as travelling at least 300kms, more likely 400kms a week almost bankrupt me on the thou'.

But, as soon as I get on it and twist the rotary velocity control, I kind of forget about the dollars. You got 220 k out of a tank??? How?? Did you coast downhill?

[madbikeboy]

Sorry, made it seem like I was just sitting around. I'm waiting on the call from Weltec to see if I get in or not. I've done an interview which I think went well. I'm overqualified to do the course anyway, only need NCEA level 1.


I'm a big fan of education. I spent seven years at Uni. In a few years, I'm going to go back for my PhD. The cool thing is that no-one can steal the education, where they can steal your bike, your dog, and your woman. The education earns me good money, (it's never enough), so the choice of bike becomes based on want, rather than what you can afford...

Good on you for getting enrolled. Get good advice on the course you do, choose carefully.

[avgas]

Why cant i go into the tits and arse thread?
Off TOPIC!

[White trash]

You forgot to mention the $3000 on fairings...
Can't you count cunt?

$1400 for the first set, $1200 for the second, only equals $2600. Jesus help me.......

[White trash]

But, as soon as I get on it and twist the rotary velocity control, I kind of forget about the dollars. You got 220 k out of a tank??? How?? Did you coast downhill?
Oh yeah when you're in the mood, the dollars don't matter at the thime.

No coasting down hills. My K3 would go 120 to 160 on a tank at the track and usually around two twenny on the road. Maybe being 67kgs helps fuel economy, who knows.

[Sully60]

What really used to annoy me, was that I'd go for a weekend thrash around the 'rapa, spend forty bucks on fuel, and 250-300 on tyres. That's just madness. Now I race one, spend $25 on fuel and $450 on tyres for 20 laps. What the fuck am I thinking?

I spent $40 on gas and $60 on tyres to race a whole season last year and I won. What the fuck was I thinking!:whistle:

[Subike]

owning and running my 1100 is fun
cost?, far cheaper than a cage is all I can say
When I say cage, a cage that would give me the same buzz as my 1100.
Now everybody will have their own idea as to what cage could come close to the buzz they get on a bike. What would that cage cost to run?

Now 250k = $31 of gass which is i dont know in economy
taveled 2149in last 3 weeks , on new rear tyre, have just passed 5000k on front, Average speed on open road when not with other riders? 105kph.
Dont need to go much faster except when passong vehicles.
1100 = ticket fodder?
two tickets for speeding in 5 years...117kph, & 118kph
As mentioned by many, the 1000cc+ rush is undeniably good, the self control of that right wrist just has to be better.
I admit to higer speeds than the limit...ohhh yeah... but pick my places carefully and never in a built up area, or after the hours of darkness.

I dont think I would like to ride an under 1000cc machine. Just not me

[Coyote]

I'm a big fan of education. I spent seven years at Uni. In a few years, I'm going to go back for my PhD. The cool thing is that no-one can steal the education, where they can steal your bike, your dog, and your woman. The education earns me good money, (it's never enough), so the choice of bike becomes based on want, rather than what you can afford...

Good on you for getting enrolled. Get good advice on the course you do, choose carefully.
Too right. I'm more interested in the course for the skill, but it'll make for an alright job I'd imagine.

Sure enough, got an acceptance letter in the mail this afternoon :D

I think that may have been more of a case of choosing a bad example of a good bike.

Don't kid yourself, tyres and suspension, no matter how good, will always have limits.
It is only your right hand that regulates how close you get to those limits.
If you were riding a Thou you may still have found those limits, only probably at many times the speed with a much higher likleyhood of death or serious injury.

If you can get past the "I wanna faster one" I think somthing about the level of the 400 is about all you need on the road. maybe a 600 bandit or somthing?
Cheap and reliable are better to look for in your situation. forget speed.

You have a compedttave nature that I have seen first hand get you into trouble on the road. Buying a litre bike for the road, I think, would be a very bad and likely fatal mistake.

Instead channel that enthusiasm and competitivness into a track bike.
Don't look past a bucket as sense of speed is only relitive to the situation.

I don't mean to sound like I'm having a go, I just think It is the better way to go.

You are the one who has to decide that tho.

Deano cowpoos and sully have already lived it. been there done that. their advice must count for somthing.
Yeah, the VFR is an excellent model. Mine will be excellent once all these kinks are sorted.

This thread was started so I could get some sense in my head. I desire a 1000, doesn't really mean I need one or should get one. I believe I will definitely have one someday, maybe just not for a few more years yet.

I have cooled off a fair bit on the road, in part because the VFR turned into a pogo stick but also since the majority of my riding is done around cop infested areas or with a pillion. If I go for a fun blat, I tend to go for Blue Mountains hill road which isn't the fastest road.

Shouldn't have knocked the RG, it was me being a pillock that got it into it's first mess (but the next 2 were misfortune). I'm keen to get one again. Possibly if you're done with one of yours...


So, new question, what race bike should I get? Besides a bucket which is something I'll get when I have a chance. The second bike on my dream list after the '05 ZX10R is actually an XR650, should I get the XR for the road and use the 400 as my racer? Possibly the XR would be good for motard?


The next investment is going to be a scooter by the way.

[White trash]

owning and running my 1100 is fun
cost?, far cheaper than a cage is all I can say
When I say cage, a cage that would give me the same buzz as my 1100.
Now everybody will have their own idea as to what cage could come close to the buzz they get on a bike. What would that cage cost to run?

Now 250k = $31 of gass which is i dont know in economy
taveled 2149in last 3 weeks , on new rear tyre, have just passed 5000k on front, Average speed on open road when not with other riders? 105kph.
Dont need to go much faster except when passong vehicles.
1100 = ticket fodder?
two tickets for speeding in 5 years...117kph, & 118kph
As mentioned by many, the 1000cc+ rush is undeniably good, the self control of that right wrist just has to be better.
I admit to higer speeds than the limit...ohhh yeah... but pick my places carefully and never in a built up area, or after the hours of darkness.

I dont think I would like to ride an under 1000cc machine. Just not me
With all due respect mate, it's really not equality to compare the trusty Excess Eleven to a modern 1000cc machine. This aint a dig, so please don't see it as such but I'd be more inclined to to put it around the 600 Bandit level if comparing classic to contemporary.

[White trash]

Deano cowpoos and sully have already lived it. been there done that. their advice must count for somthing.

Yup. The best fashion of "smoking the bone". Homos. All of em.

Especially that Cowpoos fella.........

[koba]

The next investment is going to be a scooter by the way.

Farken mint idea. Cheapest way to get around.
(short of pushbikes and walking, but fark that effort!)
Although not quite a scooter the A100 gets first pick when it is going.
Keeps the kays down on the good kit too.


Racebike pick ain't so easy.
The VFR may be a good pick but you would have to do either clubmans or F3.
A cross enterable bike (pre '89 400) would give better value for tracktime dollar.
Still expensive tho and mean buying another bike. (probably not worth it due to that)

My opinion, and only an opinion is; If I was in your position it would be a bucket for now. Massive skill development both in riding and spannering with cheap as shit bit, cheap as shit tyres and cheaper thn cheap event costs!

Compare travelling to manfiled and paying $100 ish for entry and transponder to travelling to karori and pying so little I dont even remember what it costs!

If that wasn't enough some cheap or home-made spare fairings and bits and pieces for the VFR to be entered in clubmans first year and F3 second year would be the next pick.

[White trash]

I desire a 1000, doesn't really mean I need one or should get one. I believe I will definitely have one someday, maybe just not for a few more years yet.

Yup. I was exactly in the same boat and you'll never rest 'till you own one. It is possibly the most exciting feeling in the world knowing you can obliterate almost any other vehicle on the road simply by twisting your right wrist. You seem like a mature chap, I'm sure you'll be fine.

I can't actually believe I survived the ownership experiance. Or Drew. Or Grunta. Or Sully.....the list goes on.

There's a couple of us have't been so fortunate. We all knew them so I don't need to name names.

Jury's still out on a couple.

Sobering thoughts, bear 'em in mind please.

[koba]

Yup. The best fashion of "smoking the bone". Homos. All of em.

Especially that Cowpoos fella.........

I always thought he looked a bit suspect, maybe it was the way he puts a little bit too much loving into his man kissing.....

[Coyote]

Farken mint idea. Cheapest way to get around.
(short of pushbikes and walking, but fark that effort!)
Although not quite a scooter the A100 gets first pick when it is going.
Keeps the kays down on the good kit too.


Racebike pick ain't so easy.
The VFR may be a good pick but you would have to do either clubmans or F3.
A cross enterable bike (pre '89 400) would give better value for tracktime dollar.
Still expensive tho and mean buying another bike. (probably not worth it due to that)

My opinion, and only an opinion is; If I was in your position it would be a bucket for now. Massive skill development both in riding and spannering with cheap as shit bit, cheap as shit tyres and cheaper thn cheap event costs!

Compare travelling to manfiled and paying $100 ish for entry and transponder to travelling to karori and pying so little I dont even remember what it costs!

If that wasn't enough some cheap or home-made spare fairings and bits and pieces for the VFR to be entered in clubmans first year and F3 second year would be the next pick.
I wouldn't mind an A100 or similar myself. But I'm looking at a Yamaha Jog. My boss should give me a good deal on one, I'll know it's service history cause it's new and it's 50cc so no warrant. Makes perfect sense to get one.

I think my race vehicle will be either a bucket or motard. My experiences with sportsbikes falling hasn't been great and I've been put off somewhat.

I'm going to Karori with the minimoto this year. Should be fun :p

[Coyote]

Yup. I was exactly in the same boat and you'll never rest 'till you own one. It is possibly the most exciting feeling in the world knowing you can obliterate almost any other vehicle on the road simply by twisting your right wrist. You seem like a mature chap, I'm sure you'll be fine.

I can't actually believe I survived the ownership experiance. Or Drew. Or Grunta. Or Sully.....the list goes on.

There's a couple of us have't been so fortunate. We all knew them so I don't need to name names.

Jury's still out on a couple.

Sobering thoughts, bear 'em in mind please.
I've ridden a ZX10R. Did a few wheelies here and there intentionally, none by accident, but I'm still alive and didn't get any tickets. Probably cause I didn't spend much time on it though.

I believe I'm mature enough not to get killed on one, but the true test of my maturity is whether I end up with one or not in the next year :p

[scracha]

Homos. All of em.
Especially that Cowpoos fella.........
Bastard. He told me I was his first. :love:



no-one can steal the education

Coming off your bike and landing on your head can. My cousin did and he's now having to learn to read, write and umm...speak for the third time.

If you're gonna be a skint student then get a badnit 600 or some big aircooled lump that's easy to work on and runs on fresh air.

[koba]

I wouldn't mind an A100 or similar myself. But I'm looking at a Yamaha Jog. My boss should give me a good deal on one, I'll know it's service history cause it's new and it's 50cc so no warrant. Makes perfect sense to get one.

I think my race vehicle will be either a bucket or motard. My experiences with sportsbikes falling hasn't been great and I've been put off somewhat.

I'm going to Karori with the minimoto this year. Should be fun :p

Thats the attitude! :banana:

[avgas]

If your a real motorcyclist you will one day own either:
a) balls to the wall two stroke
or the current day solution
b) 989+cc of 4 stroke power
Everyone else i have talked that has ridden less than this get the following response from me:
"Thats nice dear"
If you haven't tried it you don't now how good it feels

[Coyote]

If your a real motorcyclist you will one day own either:
a) balls to the wall two stroke
or the current day solution
b) 989+cc of 4 stroke power
Everyone else i have talked that has ridden less than this get the following response from me:
"Thats nice dear"
If you haven't tried it you don't now how good it feels
a) depends if you count an RG150 :p
b) I have tried a 1000 once. I had more fun on a 600 only cause there was a $3000 excess looming over my head and a rep as a widow maker that kept me within 150kph, but I loved how I was in midrange revs on the motorway in first gear.

[Coyote]

If you're gonna be a skint student then get a badnit 600 or some big aircooled lump that's easy to work on and runs on fresh air.
XR650 then :D

[scracha]

XR650 then :D
Ohh....I'd like a road going version of one of them. If you want to have lots of fun and make yourself REALLY skint then get a road going CR500. They're BONKERS. Most definitely the only bike I've been absolutely $hit scared of riding.

[Coyote]

Ohh....I'd like a road going version of one of them. If you want to have lots of fun and make yourself REALLY skint then get a road going CR500. They're BONKERS. Most definitely the only bike I've been absolutely $hit scared of riding.
A 2 stroke would be awesome, I have thought of that. But partly why I want an XR is cause it's an XR, it should be tough and reliable. Plus there's a bunch of LTNZ claptrap that goes with getting a dirt bike road legal.

I'd prefer a KX500 over a CR just cause I used to have a KX80 that looked similar.

By the way, your signature, bitten off more than you could chew? I'll offer a VFR400...

[scracha]

By the way, your signature, bitten off more than you could chew? I'll offer a VFR400...
Throw in your 20something year old sister and we may have a deal.

[Coyote]

Throw in your 20something year old sister and we may have a deal.
No sisters and I'm not done with my girlfriend.

Got a minimoto though

[Coyote]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-140778595.htm

Sigh...

I really wouldn't be able to help it if I was in a position to buy that

[Paulus]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-140778595.htm

Sigh...

I really wouldn't be able to help it if I was in a position to buy that

Trademe is awash with them at the moment. Buy hard, you may save a thousand or two on that.

[Coyote]

Trademe is awash with them at the moment. Buy hard, you may save a thousand or two on that.
Here's hoping in a years time it'll be the same.

Emoto had a model like that one for the same price. I could go to them if there's no luck getting one here.

[n0regret5]

i know a guy with a TLR, spends $5000 a YEAR on it, tires (top quality) sprockets (buys alum rear sprockets) chains (runs 500 instead of recommended 530) brake pads (sintered, again top notch) oil and other fluids. funnily enough he rides it fucking hard.
lets compare this to a fellow TLS rider; new tires every 5 months, new chain and sprockets every 7 months, brake pads every couple months. this is riding EVERY day. if you plan on buying a real crotch rocket and riding it like it was meant to be ridden, then its gonna cost you a bit..
gsxr750 puts out damn near same power as 1000, weighs a tad more than 600. er..thats assuming you're after a sportbike! you've heard it all before..its all down to how hard you're twisting that right handgrip.

[Forest]

I'm looking into the future, I haven't got a job yet since I'm not sure if I'm getting into Weltec or not. Just it'd be good to crush any dreams now so I stop wasting my time looking at bikes on trademe and sighing.

Enjoy what you already have. Trademe will just make you miserable.

[Deviant Esq]

Enjoy what you already have. Trademe will just make you miserable.
:yes:

Evil place that it is. :devil2:

Coyote: Sports 600s (your other option) are damn near impossible to get in NZ at a good price. Coz, in Japan, the licensing goes like this: 150cc, 250cc, 400cc, 750cc, open. Each time you want to sit the next step, "owfucking$2500goddamnyou"... If you'd just paid to be able to ride a 750, no fucking way you're pissing around on a 600. 99% of NZ's bikes are sold new or imported ex-Japan, so... fuck all decent 600s around. Buying a thou' will be much easier and probably the same price, but living with it?

Like you, I've test ridden a thou' (or two :whistle:) and felt the rush. Hoo-boy. But IMO it's living with it that will make the difference. I'm way more restrained than most (on the thou' too), and I don't think I'd like to own one. Not yet, at least, and possibly not ever (unless maybe it was a V-twin). I've also ridden more than one sports 600. Fun factor (IMO) was higher than the thou', and they're much easier to live with. Don't wheelie quite as easily, mind... :whistle:

Think about it. Then think about it again. Long and hard. The thou's are bloody tempting with the market the way it is... but a good 600 is bloody rapid enough for riding on the road in NZ, IMHO. Want a 600, but want torque? GSXR750. Like a 600, but with torque. Rode a K6, it was just insane. I'll have one to go, easy on the mustard, thanks :innocent:

[breakaway]

I'd like to own a liter bike at some stage.

I heard that the moment you touch the throttle the front wheel jumps off the ground. Sounds like my kind of bike :chase::spanking:

[Coyote]

I heard that the moment you touch the throttle the front wheel jumps off the ground. Sounds like my kind of bike :chase::spanking:
That's what got me interested in the XR650. And then you got a shotgun-like backfire noise when you backed off :woohoo:

Enjoy what you already have. Trademe will just make you miserable.
It's in the shop getting fixed. It'll have been in there for a month soon. That's not very enjoyable.

:yes:

Evil place that it is. :devil2:

etc.
Basically I'm not going to be content until I have or had one. I'm typically too smart for my own good and will opt for the wise option going against what I really desire, that's how I ended up with the 400. So I'll probably be getting a 600 or an XR650 next.

Just once I've got the cash and a nice cheap R1 (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=141347270) comes along, I'm hoping I won't be able to resist.

[Gremlin]

I want to know whether I could possibly afford it.

-How much are the tyres you get and how often do you get them?
About $580 a set, normally a set at each service (5-6k), or thereabouts, depends what tyre and what I use it for
-What about chains and sprockets?
Like someone said, 15-20k, mine lasted 17k, with a scottoiler, but I do fuck all chain maintenance :rolleyes:
-Other consumables? Go through pads quicker with a heavier bike I'd imagine.
Depends how you ride it. If you race from corner to corner, rather than being smooth, yeh, you'll use stuff up faster, not to mention more strain on the bike
-How much is insurance for you? (though it's probably going to be significantly more for me...)
Around $1200 pa, on 15k of bike
-Fuel economy? (as far as I'm aware they're as good or better than my VFR).
Somewhere around 6-6.5L/100km
-How much does each service interval cost?
I tend to bunch all my stuff into each service, makes it less disruptive (I have little free time). 11k service was $13xx, 17k was $14xx. Both had tyres, one had scottoiler, other had chain and sprockets, rest is bits and bobs and labour
-Anything I'm missing? What do you want to do with it? 2up? Long trips?
-Are 600's and 750's that much cheaper that I should go for one instead?
I have found them expensive to maintain, and to get the real benefit they offer over a 600 or 750, you have to know how to ride it. You can being going a k eating pace, reasonably cruisy, but you up it that couple of notches, and suddenly its all over the place, can't keep the front down etc.

I'm looking to go the other way now. I don't use the ridiculous speed its capable of. I've done 280, but the vast majority of the time, I don't go much over 130. I can also put bikes like the cb900 through a lot of corners at the same speed as the 10, so I question why I need a thou (plus I'm about to lose my license from demerits).

I read somewhere else that you couldn't afford a new pair of gloves, let alone some for your g/f. My advice if that is the case... these bikes are expensive. Reliable, sure, but eat parts and consumables at a rapid pace.

[Coyote]

I read somewhere else that you couldn't afford a new pair of gloves, let alone some for your g/f. My advice if that is the case... these bikes are expensive. Reliable, sure, but eat parts and consumables at a rapid pace.
As I said before, I was wondering how much a lire bike costs so I could be put off them and look for something more sensible for the future. I don't want to turn into one of those idiot late teens/early twenties that gets themselves way too into debt. I owe $3000 on the VFR already, that's put me off finance unless I absolutely need it i.e. I have no transport at all.

I'll be updating my gear before I get another bike, and I owe my girlfriend a few presents too.

[skidMark]

My mates WSBK spec 06 ZX-10R gets better fuel economy than my ZXR 250.

For same bucks i'm getting 170-180 k's open road just me on the bike (i'm 63.5kg) before reserve. He recently got open road 230k's before reserve....2 up!.

Yes the thou is 4 times the cc....

But...it's injected..... and he doesnt have to go above 3k to keep up with my 250 ringing the tits off it.

top gear at 110kph the 250 is sitting on 8k rpm or 10 i can't remember.

[Coyote]

My mates WSBK spec 06 ZX-10R gets better fuel economy than my ZXR 250.

So they burn less fuel, plus with a stock exhaust system they're pumping out less toxic gas.

I'd be getting a 1000 for the children of the future :p

[Str8 Jacket]

I'd be getting a 1000 for the children of the future :p

Do us a favour and dont have any children in the future....

[Coyote]

Do us a favour and dont have any children in the future....
I'll be dead before I have a chance

[Str8 Jacket]

I'll be dead before I have a chance

What a winning attitude! You go girl!! :banana: <<< Pretend this icon has pom poms.

[Gremlin]

He recently got open road 230k's before reserve....2 up!.
Perhaps you'd also like to mention how out of wack the speedo is from the gearing? At that range, iirc, its about 20k or more out.

[Coyote]

Perhaps you'd also like to mention how out of wack the speedo is from the gearing? At that range, iirc, its about 20k or more out.
Why don't modern bikes have their speedos by the front wheel? Weight saving or something?

[Guitana]

Well if it's cost you're worried about all bikes are expensive! You can get some great deals on tardme for tyres and parts. I was looking at 250s for a mate of mine recently and the prices they're asking are ridiculous you could buy a litre bike for the same price,no wonder people buy over 250cc bikes when they're on learners or restricted! Why would you pay 5k for a GSXR250 when you could get the 1100 for the same price. Litre bikes are great fun and you have that extra power if you're two up.
Live life on the edge!

[discotex]

Why don't modern bikes have their speedos by the front wheel? Weight saving or something?

Cause they have trouble keeping the front wheel on the ground ;)

[Coyote]

Cause they have trouble keeping the front wheel on the ground ;)
I can't tell if you're joking or not :scratch:

[discotex]

I can't tell if you're joking or not :scratch:

I was joking... But then it's a pretty good reason for a litrebike.

Apparently it's more reliable. Less exposure to the elements, no speedo cable, etc. Probably harder to fool when overriding factory speed limiters.

[Coyote]

I was joking... But then it's a pretty good reason for a litrebike.

Apparently it's more reliable. Less exposure to the elements, no speedo cable, etc. Probably harder to fool when overriding factory speed limiters.
That's what I thought.

Fair enough, suppose few people change the sprocket size anyway. Is there anyway to recalibrate speedos to suit a new sprocket?

[bungbung]

That's what I thought.

Fair enough, suppose few people change the sprocket size anyway. Is there anyway to recalibrate speedos to suit a new sprocket?

Yep, one product is called a "speedo healer"

[discotex]

That's what I thought.

Fair enough, suppose few people change the sprocket size anyway. Is there anyway to recalibrate speedos to suit a new sprocket?

Been looking into that myself as I might drop a front tooth on the CBR to liven it up a bit (not that it really needs it).

You get a speedo healer which is a little electronic box that adjusts the pulses coming from the sender. Adds a bit of cost but stops your odometer from going up faster than it should.

[bungbung]

stops your odometer from going up faster than it should.

Good point, I had only considered the effect on the speedo. The odo is more important really.

[SPman]

Factor in the insurance excess and losses made on the obligatory 6000km replacement..................:whistle:

[scracha]

Yes the thou is 4 times the cc....
But...it's injected..... and he doesnt have to go above 3k to keep up with my 250 ringing the tits off it.


RPM is feck all to do with fuel consumption. If it did then I'd have a bike with a V8 revving at 1200RPM. It just means your bike is running a bit $hit. Probably due more to age and aerodynamics than anything else.