Fines?

[sinister^]

How much $fine$ would I get if say I didn’t have my licence. Would it be similar to car?

Cheers.

[jim.cox]

How much $fine$ would I get if say I didn’t have my licence. Would it be similar to car?

Cheers.

$400 if you accidentally let it expire, according to a friend of mine

Not sure how many $$ if you just aren't carrying it

[Drew]

$400 according to a friend of mine

Correct .

[boostin]

It would be the same as a car I would assume

[sinister^]

So how much is a car? I don't even know.

Yeah I'm currently driving 30 mins everymorning with no licence so I would like to know how much I could get done for.

[Str8 Jacket]

So how much is a car? I don't even know.

Yeah I'm currently driving 30 mins everymorning with no licence so I would like to know how much I could get done for.

Be careful, the cops watch this site now they're gonna get you....

[Gubb]

'tis cheaper to just pay for, and get your license, rather than cop a $400 fine.

[Blue Velvet]

Be careful, the cops watch this site now they're gonna get you....

:lol:

Burn him!

[DingoZ]

Driver licence offences
All drivers must carry their licence with them when they drive on public roads. If you are found driving without your licence, you can be ticketed and face an infringement fee of $55.

It is important that new drivers develop driving skills in a safe environment - safe for themselves and others. As a result, new drivers face fines and demerit points if they break the conditions of their restricted and learner licences. Drivers breaking the conditions of their learner or restricted licence will face:

a $400 infringement fine
a 25 demerit point penalty.
The less serious driver licence offence penalties have a $1,000 maximum fine, while the more serious have a $4,500 maximum. The most serious licensing offence, of driving while disqualified or contrary to limited licence, carries a maximum fine for a third or subsequent offence of $6,000. The period of imprisonment for this offence is 2 years.

[Badjelly]

Burn him!

There oughta be a law against it! ... Actually, there is a law against it.

I hope you get caught, sinister^

[Str8 Jacket]

There oughta be a law against it! ... Actually, there is a law against it.

I hope you get caught, sinister^

That's a bit nasty mate. Each to their own and all that! I know I aint Snow White!!!

[jim.cox]

:lol:

Burn him!

Goddamn Preverts

Burn the Preverts

[DingoZ]

So you probably looking at some if not all of the following

Driving without appropriate current driver licence [sect 31(1)(a)] $400.00

Failing to produce driver licence [sect 31(1)(c)] $55.00

+ Being forbidden to drive at all - until drivers licence obtained.
Then if you get caught again.........Fark hope you got deep pockets and good walking shoes

Vehicle impounded...

Cost of getting a license - way less than if you get caught

[Badjelly]

That's a bit nasty mate. Each to their own and all that! I know I aint Snow White!!!

Each to their own and if he wants to drive on the road unlicensed it's OK by me? Bugger that!

[Str8 Jacket]

Each to their own and if he wants to drive on the road unlicensed it's OK by me? Bugger that!

You're right. You should write a strongly worded letter!

[boostin]

You're right. You should write a strongly worded letter!
Can someone please think of the children.

[Badjelly]

You should write a strongly worded letter!

No, I don't care that much. But I don't think sinister^ should be riding unlicensed and I hope he either (a) stops or (b) gets caught and fined, thus persuading him to stop. Preferably (a).

[Blue Velvet]

Hmmm. No one has asked why.

Why sinister^, why are you riding unlicensed? Time? Money? :corn:

[breakaway]

Quit being a douche and get a licence. It costs $150 tops. Also you have a FXR150, so if you got the licence you would be fully legal. You have no excuse.

[CookMySock]

Each to their own and if he wants to drive on the road unlicensed it's OK by me? Bugger that!naw there are lots of people riding around who have never had a bike license. I was one of them until a few years ago. Sure maybe they shouldn't have done it, but we all pull some little tricks over our life that maybe we shouldna, and the earth doesn't suddenly stop turning. So keep doing that occasional indescretion wontcha :spanking:

DB

[sinister^]

pfft jewish people,

well I've done my basic handling test. I just havent got the money for the theory yet :D

[scracha]

naw there are lots of people riding around who have never had a bike license. I was one of them until a few years ago. Sure maybe they shouldn't have done it, but we all pull some little tricks over our life that maybe we shouldna, and the earth doesn't suddenly stop turning. So keep doing that occasional indescretion wontcha :spanking:

DB

I hope kiwi airline pilots and truck drivers aren't so "she'll be right" about their licenses.

[Luker]

So how much is a car? I don't even know.

Yeah I'm currently driving 30 mins everymorning with no licence so I would like to know how much I could get done for.

$400 for not holding licence + you will get forbidden from driving until you obtain license.

its $55 for not carrying for drivers license but by not holding one you are exempt from that ticket.

Soon all is going to change with amendment to the Land Transport Act, meaning less fine and more demerits.

[scumdog]

So how much is a car? I don't even know.

Yeah I'm currently driving 30 mins everymorning with no licence so I would like to know how much I could get done for.

If you have NO licence you'll be forbidden to drive until you get one - and that will be done to you at the roadside when you get pulled up.

Get caught riding after that and you're bike will be impounded for 28 days (with towing and impound costs amounting to possibly several hundred dollars), you will go to Court and you will be disqualified for 6 months.

Glad to help.

[boostin]

If you have NO licence you'll be forbidden to drive until you get one - and that will be done to you at the roadside when you get pulled up.

Get caught riding after that and you're bike will be impounded for 28 days (with towing and impound costs amounting to possibly several hundred dollars), you will go to Court and you will be disqualified for 6 months.

Glad to help.

Seems funny that you have to be caught before being 'forbidden' when you have no licence.

[Blue Velvet]

I just havent got the money for the theory yet

Learn to budget.

[Badjelly]

I just havent got the money for the theory yet
How much is that, by the way?

[Tank]

The fines are the least of your issue.

You happen to have a crash and hit a $70k car (Pretty easy to do) - you wont have any insurance and then they will take action against you.

Whilst you may have only payments of X per week the fact that you have a huge debt over your head may preclude you from getting a mortgage etc - thus fucking you up big time for the rest of your life.

Get a licence or get off the road.

[shingo]

How much is that, by the way?

The huge total of....... $79

[Rosie]

The huge total of....... $79

To add a bit more to this: one $400 fine could pay for the entire licencing process. If you paid less than $117 for your BHS you would have money left over for petrol.

[Ixion]

$79 is a lot of money if you don't have it.

[breakaway]

I guess he'd better start saving then.

I have never beleived that a piece of paper can dictate my ability, but at the same time, to put yourself in a situation where you might get owned this hard is just plain stupid.

Especiall when you have a learner bike, and all it would take for you to get 100% legal is a licence which you can get for $79.

[BiK3RChiK]

The fines are the least of your issue.

You happen to have a crash and hit a $70k car (Pretty easy to do) - you wont have any insurance and then they will take action against you.

Whilst you may have only payments of X per week the fact that you have a huge debt over your head may preclude you from getting a mortgage etc - thus fucking you up big time for the rest of your life.

Get a licence or get off the road.


+1 $80 odd bux and you got your learners! It'll end up costing you HEAPS more if you get caught!

[Edbear]

You're obviously young. Did it ever occur to you, and to all like-minded youngsters, that the difference between children and grown-ups, is that grown-ups do what needs to be done.

This, surprisingly, usually works our better in the long run as the grown-up tends to succeed and get what they really want.

Children who can't seem to discipline themselves to budget and plan and obey the law, tend to get themselves very deeply in the poo and ruin the rest of their lives, all the while firmly believing that someone will come along and wave a magic wand and miraculously give them everything they wanted while at the same time cancelling out their misdemeanors.

Sadly, some who are chronologically called adults, are still themselves living in fairyland and still waiting for the magic fairy.

What part of "self discipline and hard work", don't you understand? It has been proven for thousands of years to be a very good way of attaining wealth and happiness in a surprisingly short time.

[marty]

I'm just looking forward to the 'i got caught riding without a licence and got fined and now i'm forbidden' :crybaby: thread.

or even better - the 'i crashed into a beemer and they have billed me the $10000 repair bill' :doh:

[Badjelly]

What part of "self discipline and hard work", don't you understand? It has been proven for thousands of years to be a very good way of attaining wealth and happiness in a surprisingly short time.

You're absolutely right, of course, but you're starting to sound worrying like my headmaster!

[Edbear]

You're absolutely right, of course, but you're starting to sound worrying like my headmaster!



Umm! Solly bout dat! :rolleyes:How about a Grandpa who's brought up three kids including a son who was forever having to be bailed out of one crisis after another until he eventually learned that his old man may have known something after all?:scratch:

[scumdog]

Seems funny that you have to be caught before being 'forbidden' when you have no licence.

Well you're hardly likely to be forbidden if you're NOT driving, are you?

The offence IS 'DRIVING without a licence' after all, NOT 'just wandering around and possibly thinking about maybe driving some day'...:lol:

[boostin]

Well you're hardly likely to be forbidden if you're NOT driving, are you?

The offence IS 'DRIVING without a licence' after all, NOT 'just wandering around and possibly thinking about maybe driving some day'...:lol:

I think you missed my point, most likely due to my poorly worded post.

That fact that someone does not have a licence is not enough for them to be 'forbidden' from driving?

[scumdog]

I think you missed my point, most likely due to my poorly worded post.

That fact that someone does not have a licence is not enough for them to be 'forbidden' from driving?

At the risk of STILL misunderstanding you:

No, if they are not/have not been driving or riding it is not.

You have to have been drivng without a licence to be forbidden.

[boostin]

At the risk of STILL misunderstanding you:

No, if they are not/have not been driving or riding it is not.

You have to have been drivng without a licence to be forbidden.
I think it might be my definitions of forbidden.

I am thinking of it as 'not allowed to drive' as opposed to a specific offence

So I think it is crazy that you have to be caught without a licence before you are told that you are not allowed to drive. The fact that a person does not have a licence should be grounds enough for them not to be allowed to drive.

[Highlander]

The fines are the least of your issue.

You happen to have a crash and hit a $70k car (Pretty easy to do) - you wont have any insurance and then they will take action against you.

Whilst you may have only payments of X per week the fact that you have a huge debt over your head may preclude you from getting a mortgage etc - thus fucking you up big time for the rest of your life.

Get a licence or get off the road.


AND third party insurance at the absolute minimum, or you could still find your self up that same creek with no means of propulsion.

[James Deuce]

I think it might be my definitions of forbidden.

I am thinking of it as 'not allowed to drive' as opposed to a specific offence

So I think it is crazy that you have to be caught without a licence before you are told that you are not allowed to drive. The fact that a person does not have a licence should be grounds enough for them not to be allowed to drive.

You're not thinking it through.

Forbidden means just that. If you get busted driving or riding after being forbidden the penalties ramp up rapidly, all the way to $6000 and imprisonment, very quickly. In this case forbidden is also a legal definition of what a person may or may not do.


No, I don't care that much. But I don't think sinister^ should be riding unlicensed and I hope he either (a) stops or (b) gets caught and fined, thus persuading him to stop. Preferably (a).

Badjelly, do you have a family tree that includes prison camp guards in Estona, Latvia, and Poland? Gentle encouragement works better than stern admonishment. I think you'll find pretty much everyone thinks our impoverished friend should get a license. I don't think our impoverished friend is paying much attention to the huge amount of money that can be racked up in fines though, but sometimes you have to learn your own lesson.

BJ, if you want to go around rapping people over the knuckles for a hobby, become a Baptist pastor, a school teacher, or politician. You might want to pick your targets a bit better because smelly bikers tend to rap knuckles back.

[James Deuce]

I'm just looking forward to the 'i got caught riding without a licence and got fined and now i'm forbidden' :crybaby: thread.

or even better - the 'i crashed into a beemer and they have billed me the $10000 repair bill' :doh:

All part of the fun.

Then BJ can get his jollies with a resounding, "I told you so!"

[Badjelly]

Badjelly, do you have a family tree that includes prison camp guards in Estona, Latvia, and Poland?
That's the nicest thing anyone's said to me on this thread! Str8Jacket said I was being nasty. A bit harsh I thought. (It's not as if I'm going to dob sinister^ in. I don't have his rego number for a start.) They have anger management courses; do they have mean-old-bugger classes?

[Jiminy]

I have never beleived that a piece of paper can dictate my ability, but at the same time, to put yourself in a situation where you might get owned this hard is just plain stupid.

I might object, in this case, that the piece of paper, far from dictating anything, at least demonstrates a minimum level of knowledge of the road code (and hopefully that you have read it). sinister^ is missing his theoretical, and even if he has (possibly) read the road code, it would be good for him to check if he knows enough.

Of course, here I could go in a rant about how ridiculously easy the theoretical test is, thus not proving much as far as road code knowledge goes, and how confusing some of the rules of the said road code are, to the point where some of them are being allegedly ignored. But, heh, I'll leave that for another thread...

Btw, sinister^, the longer you wait to get your learner, and the longer you'll have to wait to get a decent size bike. Should give you some motivation ;)

[Ixion]

I think you missed my point, most likely due to my poorly worded post.

That fact that someone does not have a licence is not enough for them to be 'forbidden' from driving?

The "forbidden to drive" thing came in at the time the "lifetime" licence (don't get me started) was placed by the present ID card (don't get me started).

The rationale is that , whilst some unlicensed drivers may be like the OP, never had one at all, others may be of a different sort: people whose (no longer lifetime) licences have expired , and they have (perhaps genuinely) not noticed - this was a much bigger problem when we had the 80+ retesting ; overseas drivers who have gone past the magical twelve month period, and (the original reason) drivers with once-valid licences who have not converted them to the new sort . The latter does still occur, people who have been overseas, returned and have not kept up with the play on lifetime not being a lifetime any more. There are also those with special endorsements which have to be renewed regularly who may have failed to renew.

It was felt that an across the board punitive approach to all unlicensed driving was unduely harsh, especially since at the same time the penalties for driving unlicensed (after the first time "warning") were very heavily increased. And separating out the different varieties too complex.

So the "forbidden to drive" process came into being. It is actually a formal, and unmistakeable notification to the person that they are not allowed to drive. Regardless of what they may have thought. All in all, a reasonable and sensible approach, I think.

[phallic]

how much is the fine for not displaying your L plate if your a learner while riding?

Everyone I know says to forget about it and if you get pulled over just say it must have fallen off.
Im guessing that by not displaying it you also put your insurance in jepordy?

[Nasty]

how much is the fine for not displaying your L plate if your a learner while riding?

Everyone I know says to forget about it and if you get pulled over just say it must have fallen off.
Im guessing that by not displaying it you also put your insurance in jepordy?

You don't have everything legal your insurace is not valid. the fine is around $400 odd

[scumdog]

I think it might be my definitions of forbidden.

The fact that a person does not have a licence should be grounds enough for them not to be allowed to drive.

It is - but some people have to be TOLD that - and forbidden to drive until they get a licence when they get caught driving- just to hammer the message home..

[sinister^]

OK guys, I got my learner licence now. Got all the questions correct and I got full party insurance.

PS Edbear I live near you and I'm not a little shithead teenager that bases his life on rap music and tagging like most.

[Morcs]

I am KBs authority on fines.

I have paid more than anyone else.

PM me if you need to know anything.

[Badjelly]

OK guys, I got my learner licence now. Got all the questions correct and I got full party insurance.

Good on ya, mate!

[Banesto John]

Driver licence offences
All drivers must carry their licence with them when they drive on public roads. If you are found driving without your licence, you can be ticketed and face an infringement fee of $55.

It is interesting to note how policy announced when the new law was introduced has waned (no, not as in water falling from the sky).

The announced policy at the time the law was introduced was that if you were stopped for an offence and you were getting a ticket, AND you weren't carrying your licence, then you got the $55 fine as well. If you were stopped for a random stop, the policy (NOT the law) said you shouldn't get a ticket for not carrying.

Most cops don't seem to know that these days, as it's an old policy. Also don't forget, cops enforce law, not policy, so if they break policy you have no defence if you broke the law.

Interesting.:crazy:

[YellowDog]

OK guys, I got my learner licence now. Got all the questions correct and I got full party insurance.

PS Edbear I live near you and I'm not a little shithead teenager that bases his life on rap music and tagging like most.
Mate, if you have got away with it, then that is great and I am happy for you.

Only you know your own circumstances and why you decided to take the actions you have. I would commend you for putting it right and say that you have been fortunate.

There has been some good advice on here and you would do well to follow it in your future decisions.

Try not to screw your life up. You quite often don't get a second chance!

Good luck.

[Sketchy_Racer]

how much is the fine for not displaying your L plate if your a learner while riding?

Everyone I know says to forget about it and if you get pulled over just say it must have fallen off.
Im guessing that by not displaying it you also put your insurance in jepordy?

I had a small prang when I first started out riding bikes. Came over a blind crest to find a stationary car. Im sure you can figure out the rest.

Short of the long is, Obviously my fault, went to claim insurance, they were informed that I didn't have a L plate on (Breaching conditions of licence) and then rejected my claim.

$2500 later and I had paid for the damage i had done (1969 Holden Camaro)

Now, I still havn't got my restricted bike licence and untill I do (very soon) Im not paying for insurance on my bike. Because I wont wear a L plate due to the fact of all the WANKERS you get trying to be the big tough guy when you have a L plate on. And also I can't do 100kph any where around a cop (there's lots of mufti cops during rush hour) So not displaying makes my insurance void, why the hell would I pay for it.

[rachprice]

pfft jewish people,

well I've done my basic handling test. I just havent got the money for the theory yet :D

I was the same till a few days ago (yay legal is always good). I didnt have the money either being a student doesnt help. But I was also lazy. I know the road rules I have a car license, the test is a joke anyway I know its not much of an excuse but eh, legal now so it doesnt matter!!

[sunhuntin]

I had a small prang when I first started out riding bikes. Came over a blind crest to find a stationary car. Im sure you can figure out the rest.

Short of the long is, Obviously my fault, went to claim insurance, they were informed that I didn't have a L plate on (Breaching conditions of licence) and then rejected my claim.

$2500 later and I had paid for the damage i had done (1969 Holden Camaro)

Now, I still havn't got my restricted bike licence and untill I do (very soon) Im not paying for insurance on my bike. Because I wont wear a L plate due to the fact of all the WANKERS you get trying to be the big tough guy when you have a L plate on. And also I can't do 100kph any where around a cop (there's lots of mufti cops during rush hour) So not displaying makes my insurance void, why the hell would I pay for it.

i got my learners in 2005. i got my restricted end of last year. in that time, i likely did well over 20,000k, give or take. i wore my l plate the entire time [check my avatar! that l plates been to paeroa, bluff and everywhere in between!]
i can honestly say that harrassment and attempted intimidation by cagers has neither reduced or increased since removing the plate.
if cagers do try stuff, then i react and use my own movements to show them i aint gonna play. if they get bad, i pull over and let them go. tricks include blocking, weaving, slamming the brakes on [dangerous, and not to be attempted unless necessary.] also, slowing down is used.

keep a sharp eye on your mirrors, as they may try to underpass, which is scary. thats where the weaving and blocking comes in.

o yeh, youd be nuts if your thinking i did those 20thousand k at 70kmh. hell, i even got overtaken by a cop while doing roughly 110k. [farkin strong winds from the side. a slower speed would have resulted in me kissing the ditch] so long as they can see you are in control, they will ignore it.

[Sketchy_Racer]

fair enough. can't say I feel the same about getting harrased with or without L plate.

I wore mine for one day and got under taken twice, and cut off a few times. Oddly it was mostly, I would say sports car, (but a civic lowerd with a big bore aint a sports car so), boyracer style cars with younger drivers

I've been pulled a few times for other reasons (wof reg check and once for lane splitting) and the cops have just ignored the L plate thing.. so meh.

won't be a issue soon though gonna get the risky!

[sunhuntin]

my first day on the bike was pretty shocking, but it was mainly nerves on my part. but yeh, i think, by the time i took it off, the plate was pretty invisible. aint much left, lol. damn tester nearly failed before we even started because of it. :blink:

oo, another trick is to try and leave annoyances behind. intersections can be good for this. if theres just enough room for you to get in safely, take it. i will often wait at a giveway until such a chance comes up, and then go at the last second.
had a taxi driver yesterday who decided he wanted to stop NEXT to me at a give way. i tried twice to leave him behind, and failed. in the end, i just slowed right down, and stayed in his line of sight. wank stain. had i been more onto it, i would stuck my gum to the passenger window.

[Edbear]

OK guys, I got my learner licence now. Got all the questions correct and I got full party insurance.

PS Edbear I live near you and I'm not a little shithead teenager that bases his life on rap music and tagging like most.

Glad to hear that, mate. But when one posts that one is plainly breaking the law, one should expect some counsel. There are real benefits in biting the bullet and doing it right. It may not be as convenient, may even be quite frustrating, in the short term, but can save a lot of grief long term.

Glad you got your learners, and if you happen to know where I live, pop in and have a chat sometime...

[jaykay]

The law says you have to produce your licence without delay if required to do so. This doesn't mean you have to carry it with you - just you have to produce it without delay.

So, you can't get a ticket for not having your licence with you - if you do get one, show your licence at a police station at the first available oportunity - if this means sending off for a new one if you have lost it.......take your licence in as soon as you can.

The police will look stupid if they actually proceeded to a hearing.

[scumdog]

The law says you have to produce your licence without delay if required to do so. This doesn't mean you have to carry it with you - just you have to produce it without delay.

So, you can't get a ticket for not having your licence with you - if you do get one, show your licence at a police station at the first available oportunity - if this means sending off for a new one if you have lost it.......take your licence in as soon as you can.

The police will look stupid if they actually proceeded to a hearing.

Mwahahaahhaha!!:shutup:

[Patrick]

The law says you have to produce your licence without delay if required to do so. This doesn't mean you have to carry it with you - just you have to produce it without delay.

So, you can't get a ticket for not having your licence with you - if you do get one, show your licence at a police station at the first available oportunity - if this means sending off for a new one if you have lost it.......take your licence in as soon as you can.

The police will look stupid if they actually proceeded to a hearing.

OK JK the bush lawyer....

"Produce without delay..." sums it up. "Delaying" by bringing it in to the station later means you get a ticket. A massive $55 one. Take it to court and add another $65 in costs. Hmmm... theres a good idea!! As you were.....

You been eating those urinal crystal thingies again????

[Banesto John]

The law says you have to produce your licence without delay if required to do so. This doesn't mean you have to carry it with you - just you have to produce it without delay.

So, you can't get a ticket for not having your licence with you - if you do get one, show your licence at a police station at the first available oportunity - if this means sending off for a new one if you have lost it.......take your licence in as soon as you can.

The police will look stupid if they actually proceeded to a hearing.

Tripe. Please get your facts right before perpetuating incorrect legal advice.