Hard line on 'taggers'.

[Oakie]

Ok, so the government has said in the last couple of days they're going to get tough on 'taggers'.
Great news but it annoys me that they've only decided to get tough because a tagger (an offender) was killed as the result of his tagging and not because of all the millions of dollars worth of damage that these cretins have done 'expressing themselves'.

It's like saying crimes only become important when the criminals start getting hurt because of it.

I just can't quite come to terms with it all.

[Donor]

I'm just SO glad that the $200 I have spent on paint and rollers in the last 12 months to cover tagging, has paid off and will benefit others.

[Grahameeboy]

Geeze, it made front page news...sums up NZ sometimes when that is the only important thing they can say.

Pity the Govt could not work on more important matters. Taggers is hardly a major and all they will do is get someone over 18 to get the paint or start using paint brushes and tins of paint so guess the Govt will pass a law about that next.

Sorry what an over reacting bunch of bollocks.

[Paul in NZ]

They should make it legal and license them all.... Make the talentless pricks go on a fine arts course first..

[Oakie]

They should make it legal and license them all.... Make the talentless pricks go on a fine arts course first..

Jesus Christ, please keep that idea to yourself. I can see Polytechs all over the country offering courses in it.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I think anyone caught tagging should have 'loser' tattooed on their forehead.

[enigma51]

I think anyone caught tagging should have 'loser' tattooed on their forehead.

No just cut there fucking hands off

[Steam]

Jesus Christ, please keep that idea to yourself. I can see Polytechs all over the country offering courses in it.

Sorry Oakie, all Fine Arts degrees in NZ have the study and theory of graffiti as part of their courses already, have had for decades. :laugh:

[Oakie]

Sorry Oakie, all Fine Arts degrees in NZ have the study and theory of graffiti as part of their courses already, have had for decades. :laugh:
Just as long as it's not offered as a separate course.

[Big Dave]

Community counstable rang me last week - they caught the person/s that did my fence.

I guess there must be a down side to signing your name everywhere.

[ManDownUnder]

Whats the punishment for shooting them with a paintball gun again???

[spookytooth]

The whole look we are doing something bullshit gets me.Like tagging is the big deal never mind all the murders and rapes of late.Plus wtf is making it r18 to buy paintgoing to do .How many of the little pricks buy there spray cans ?all i see is alot of arm flapping look at me its election year

[McJim]

Community counstable rang me last week - they caught the person/s that did my fence.

I guess there must be a down side to signing your name everywhere.

Yeah, I used to write all my enemies' names on walls in Glasgow.:rofl:

[scumdog]

Pity the Govt could not work on more important matters. Taggers is hardly a major......

'Broken windows' eh - well if they would only follow it up with cracking down on other 'small' shit..

[Shadows]

We should stab the fuckers. Oh... hang on....

[Big Dave]

Yeah, I used to write all my enemies' names on walls in Glasgow.:rofl:

Would have needed more than 4ltr tin then.

[Jantar]

... Taggers is hardly a major ...
Sorry what an over reacting bunch of bollocks.
Really? Well tell that to someone who has mortgaged themselves to the hilt to landscape and properly fence their property the way they want it. Tagging may be just enough to tip the balance to the extent that they can't afford to immediately clean it up and suddenly the property value has dropped.

Tagging can have a detrimental effect that is way beyond a simple nuisance value. It is vandalism, and should be treated as such. A single tag can cost many thousands to clean up, yet you want to dismiss it as minor. If someone came along and did many thousands of dollars damage to your bike I'm sure you'd be happy for your insurance company to say "its hardly a major, you're over reacting"

[Grahameeboy]

Really? Well tell that to someone who has mortgaged themselves to the hilt to landscape and properly fence their property the way they want it. Tagging may be just enough to tip the balance to the extent that they can't afford to immediately clean it up and suddenly the property value has dropped.

Tagging can have a detrimental effect that is way beyond a simple nuisance value. It is vandalism, and should be treated as such. A single tag can cost many thousands to clean up, yet you want to dismiss it as minor. If someone came along and did many thousands of dollars damage to your bike I'm sure you'd be happy for your insurance company to say "its hardly a major, you're over reacting"


I did not say I agreed with tagging, just that passing a Law to ban aerosol paint cans being sold to under 18's is just silly and and an over reaction.

[FJRider]

They should make it legal and license them all.... Make the talentless pricks go on a fine arts course first..

They'll get a student loan to do it, then never get a job and never pay it back

[Paul in NZ]

Oh now this is a move in the right direction for sure! I'm loving this!!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4415314a11.html

Good effort those people!

[JimO]

fucken germans...who won the war anyway

[Finn]

fucken germans...who won the war anyway

The Americans, but we seem to forget that.

[Finn]

This thread reminds me of something...

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=35799&highlight=tagging+finn

[Usarka]

Great news but it annoys me that they've only decided to get tough because a tagger (an offender) was killed as the result of his tagging and not because of all the millions of dollars worth of damage that these cretins have done 'expressing themselves'.

It's because taggers are poor. Labour looks after the poor. :niceone:

[Swoop]

fucken germans...who won the war anyway
Germany came second.

Twice.

[Ocean1]

Fuck this is so easy it's embarrassing there’s a problem at all.

Register all tagging instances in any given month. Catch a couple of the wee fookers. Divide the culprits by the amount of damage for the month and require ‘em to fix it to the property owners satisfaction.

Sooner or later the message will get through, and in the meantime the solution is self-funding.

Does require the ability to legally hold them responsible for their work, and the fact that that’s the problem is the embarrassing bit.

[Swoop]

Fuck this is so easy it's embarrassing there’s a problem at all.

Does require the ability to legally hold them responsible for their work, and the fact that that’s the problem is the embarrassing bit.
A week or so ago, a mate of mine managed to catch one of two taggers who he saw covering his letterbox. It took 15 seconds to completely cover a white letterbox with a felt pen.
The tagger was caught after a short chase, dragged over a fence and back to the letterbox by his hair, then made to clean it all off with his own shirt and spit.
A short session of beating was entered into, and the tagger fled the scene bleeding.

I think the fucker got off lightly. He now has an appreciation of "being accountable for his actions".

[ManDownUnder]

Sooner or later the message will get through, and in the meantime the solution is self-funding.

Nice! I had a variation on that a while back you reminded me of.

Tagging fine is ... lets say... $500 + clean up your own bloody mess
Reward for a successful prosecution is... Lo! $500!... and totally anonymous!

So if anyone at school wants to make some cash - pot the little bastards!

[Oakie]

Germany came second.

Twice.

So they are probably a good bet for a placing next time around? Does the TAB take bets on wars?
(oops, hijacking my own thread would you believe ... back to the stories of retribution please)

[Conquiztador]

You can beat the taggers, make them clean up, punish them, jail them. But there will be more of them coming. And more and more and...

Why? Because they have no respect for anyones property. They do not care.

And why? Because they have not been taught to respect, to care.

And who is responsible for teaching them to care, to respect? The schools? The police? The court system? Nope. None of those. It is the responsibility of the parents.

But today the parents responsibility has been eroded by legislation, by social laws, by the government. It is OK today to be a failure. We are accepting failure as a norm. We have stopped demanding winners.

If a parent is not feeding their kids. No worries, WINZ will step in
If a parent is not caring about their kids. No worries CYF will step in.

If a child is injured from a fall in a playground it must be the fault of the manufacturer of the playground.

Strange that almost every problem that I see could be solved by the same solution: If everyone in the world would take care of their children we would have no problems.

No, I have no solution here. But to get heavy on the taggers will only create a probelm in another area.

Tagging is only the result of the problem, the part you can see. But that is how we are. If we stop selling paint we think the problem will go away...

[ynot slow]

It's because taggers are poor. Labour looks after the poor. :niceone:

Labours way of saying thanks for staying at school,getting edumacated,unable to work and being paid to do artwork.

[Guitana]

Fuck this is so easy it's embarrassing there’s a problem at all.

Register all tagging instances in any given month. Catch a couple of the wee fookers. Divide the culprits by the amount of damage for the month and require ‘em to fix it to the property owners satisfaction.

Sooner or later the message will get through, and in the meantime the solution is self-funding.

Does require the ability to legally hold them responsible for their work, and the fact that that’s the problem is the embarrassing bit.

Or how about a tax on spray cans 300% maybe, lets see the dole bludging little fuckers afford the shit then!!!

[JimO]

Or how about a tax on spray cans 300% maybe, lets see the dole bludging little fuckers afford the shit then!!!

i doubt they actually pay for them most likely stolen

[Manxman]

So they are probably a good bet for a placing next time around? Does the TAB take bets on wars?
(oops, hijacking my own thread would you believe ... back to the stories of retribution please)


...I wouldn't. Germany is more likely to be on our side next time around...

[Usarka]

Tagging is only the result of the problem, the part you can see. But that is how we are. If we stop selling paint we think the problem will go away...

You mean all these smaller issues in society are part of a bigger picture? And implementing band-aid law changes won't fix the cause? :eek5:

madness I say.

[Ocean1]

Or how about a tax on spray cans 300% maybe, lets see the dole bludging little fuckers afford the shit then!!!

Fuggof, why should I pay more for my paint because some cretinous looser uses it inappropriately?


You mean all these smaller issues in society are part of a bigger picture? And implementing band-aid law changes won't fix the cause? :eek5:

madness I say.

Fookin' band aid? Proper measures orta involve surgical intervention, pre-frontal labotomy orta do it. Fuggen arsehole bastard wee wankers...:kick:

[Conquiztador]

You mean all these smaller issues in society are part of a bigger picture? And implementing band-aid law changes won't fix the cause? :eek5:

madness I say.

Yes, I know that it is a contraversial idea. We might be getting to the end of the experiment.

I can just see the aliens who put us here coming back to pull the plug, and here a possible conversation between them (translated to english to make the comprahension easier):

Alien 1: "I told you this would not work. By allowing the reproduction instinct to be the most important in their limited brain it was always gonna get to a stage where they fucked it up"
Alien 2: "Sadly I have to agree. But there was soo much hope. If we ever do this again we will not give them the wheel."
Alien 1: "We never gave the dinosaurs the wheel, but they still managed to leave this tiny planet."
Alien 2: "True. That proves it, the large scaly model is far superior to this whimpy hairless one.
Alien 1: "So you admit defeat? Good, that means I win. Time for you to pay up. And as winner it is my turn to decide what the next bet is about. Hey I know! We will tell the dinosaurs that they can come and eat these puny ones. We will then bet on how long it takes for them to wipe out these ones. I start, lets see, it is now 2008. I recon they could do that by 24 December 2010..."