Mothers that should be shot

[Bikernereid]

Ok I am going to state from the outset that I do not have my own children but was a full-time stepmum for two years.

I have just been out for a walk around my local canoe lake and seafront and have just seen somethig that knocked me for six. Bear in mind that although extremely sunny it is max 6 degrees out. I saw a young girl, aged about 9/10 out with her parents for a walk wearing 3/4 length leggings with a dress, and I hasten to add that the 'dress' only just skimmed her arse at best, and 3 inch heeled shoes.

I am not saying for one minute that paedophilia is right but for the love of God why are we so shocked when hearing about men/women accosting young girls when parents permit thier young daughters (not even teenagers) to look like mutton dressed as lamb & dress far older than thier years.

I would never have even thought of wearing something like that at her age and as sure as the sun rises every day my mother would NEVER in a month of Sundays let me out of the house looking like a slapper. I didn't even dress like that in my teenage years.

So why if parents don't want bad things to happen to thier little girls do they let them out of the house looking like hookers? I am bemused!!!

[skidMark]

I see alot of that here, leaves me in shock.

Girl of i would say 4-5......Little boob tube top.... hair all prissyd up.... and a skirt that barely covered much...it's like wtf...okay maybe at the beach.....if it was decent but it was slutty... this was at a supermarket middle of town.

And just one example...see it daily, i can't believe it.

[BiK3RChiK]

Parents opting out of parenting, so the media picks them up and indoctrinates them on what to wear, how to behave etc, etc...

Kids end up being easy pickings!

[PrincessBandit]

Did I read recently that Paris Hilton can't wait to have a daughter of her own cos she is dying to be able to dress her up like herself!!! What the.....????
I'm no prude but am horrified at some of the "dress codes" I see on girls, even as old as 13/14 (and as young as 8 or 9). It's as if they think that looking like an 18 year old skank is something to actually strive for.
Maybe there are women out there who think Paris is on the right track? Heaven help our girls and young women!!

[skidMark]

Did I read recently that Paris Hilton can't wait to have a daughter of her own cos she is dying to be able to dress her up like herself!!! What the.....????
I'm no prude but am horrified at some of the "dress codes" I see on girls, even as old as 13/14 (and as young as 8 or 9). It's as if they think that looking like an 18 year old skank is something to actually strive for.
Maybe there are women out there who think Paris is on the right track? Heaven help our girls and young women!!

Paris probably thinks it's the same as having a puppy.

can just imagine her walking around with a baby in her handbag.

[Nasty]

Paris probably thinks it's the same as having a puppy.

can just imagine her walking around with a baby in her handbag.


At least you know she wouldn't look after a child .. her staff would as they do her animals.

[James Deuce]

Oh yeah, it's all the parents fault. Better pass yet more laws making it improbably difficult to do your parenting job in public.

[janno]

I remember with cringe making clarity just how "adult" I felt at 13, and that my parents and others were holding me back and not taking me seriously . . .

Quite frankly I'm amazed that more girls don't get in to serious trouble, as at that age and sometimes younger the hormones are going mad and your brain doesn't catch up for a good five years or so.

Thank God my parents were experienced secondary school teachers and had seen it all before - I don't envy anyone who has to parent a teenage girl . . . :pinch:

[Mr Skid]

I would never have even thought of wearing something like that at her ageAh yeah.. err.. me neither. :shifty:

[Bikernereid]

I am not for ONE SECOND saying that the government should get involed and create more policy that takes even mor parenting responsibility away from them. What I am saying is parents shouldn't be surprised at paedophiles wanting young girls and men committing stutory rape when girls and young women are allowed to go around dressed like slappers and as if they are of a certain age.

And before anyone says that I am saying that women deserve to be raped because of the way they dress I am not. Noone deserves to get raped but when women are putting it out there in such a prevocative way what do they expect men to think and or feel? it is like saying look but don't touch, ok touch but don't taste etc etc.

I just think that maybe parents shouldn't be so quick in letting their daughters grow up. Being an adult aint all it is cracked up to be and kids should be allowed to enjoy their youth for as long as possible. The real work can be bloody awful a lot of the time so why rush there when you can saunter.

[Pex Adams]

Time for some more of those great pre-teen tee shirts isn't it...

Daddy called Mummy a slapper
I like Boys that ride big bikes
Do my thighs look big in this
Would you like to see where I hide my house keys...

A few years ago, I was at the local swimming pool in Ashburton when a Mum and her 13 year old daughter walked in. The shirt the Daughter was wearing said 'Place hands here' with 2 hand prints on each breast.

Now parents like this need a bullet.. Silver coated, right between the eyes! No ifs, no buts. I mean this is something no one should ever see, yet alone think, or dream about. This innocent girl, is been told that this behavior is fine, showing potentially impressionable teenage boys to help themselves.
God help us...

[mynameis]

It's the era of "preteens" 8-12 year olds are taking over. Mind you they are THE MOST TARGETED group mainly in UK and US.

But I don't think mothers should be shot because of that.

[James Deuce]

This innocent girl, is been told that this behavior is fine, showing potentially impressionable teenage boys to help themselves.
God help us...
Rubbish. She is not innocent, she is a girl.

If one of my boys "fell" for that they'd not know which direction their arse was heading in, nor how long it was going to spend there once it ended up where ever "there" was.

That's just the rape myth, that chicks are asking for it, and excusing boys for behaving like animals.

[Virago]

I polished my bike today.

[Blue Velvet]

I polished my bike today.

Pics please or it never happened :sunny:

[BarBender]

Rubbish. She is not innocent, she is a girl.

+1.
Amazing there is little understanding of that in this day an age...

and that to paedophiles, candy is candy regardless of whether its sugar coated.

[Skyryder]

I fail to see how a mother dressing up her children has any bearing on the so called reduction of their child hood. There is a hell of a lot more to parenting than just dressing them up. Take a look at the photo and tell me this is a bad mother.

Skyryder

[Daffyd]

I fail to see how a mother dressing up her children has any bearing on the so called reduction of their child hood. There is a hell of a lot more to parenting than just dressing them up. Take a look at the photo and tell me this is a bad mother.

Skyryder

There's 'dressing up' and 'DRESSING UP"

[PrincessBandit]

I fail to see how a mother dressing up her children has any bearing on the so called reduction of their child hood. There is a hell of a lot more to parenting than just dressing them up. Take a look at the photo and tell me this is a bad mother.

Skyryder

Fail to see your point dude. (Unless it was tongue firmly in cheek). Big difference in dressing your kid so they look dorky or like a dag or "over dressed" and like they're being presented as fresh meat at the market.

[Tank]

It's the era of "preteens" 8-12 year olds are taking over. Mind you they are THE MOST TARGETED group mainly in UK and US.

By the time they reach 8 they are past it anyway .... unless you can dress them up to look 6.

[karla]

I agree with Barbender, pedophillia and rape aren't anything to do with dress standards, they are - to my understanding - more about power and control, and acting out on thinking that most people can't relate to and thus don't understand.

Blaming parents or society excuses bad behaviour that is directly attributable to sick individuals, and leaves others with the thinking that if we change, people who do those things will change, which is just not true.

I'm not sure how I feel about young girls wearing make-up and high heels (fence-sitter). I'm trying to raise my sons to take responsibility for their own actions, so - hopefully - they will never end up blaming someone else for their own mistakes.

Boys and men have to tread very carefully in this society - it's not really fair, but it is the way it is. The more makeup and less clothes a young woman is wearing, the more care they need to take. The time will come when men will take back their power. It's happening already :) And the funny thing is, women have more respect for men when they do that anyway.

[karla]

Why is the title of this thread "mothers need to be shot" when the girl was with both her parents?

[Pex Adams]

Rubbish. She is not innocent, she is a girl.
excusing boys for behaving like animals.

They are innocent, they have no idea what they're doing. Thats why parents need to say NO - Your not dressing up like sugar coated candy.:argue::argue::argue:


+1.
Amazing there is little understanding of that in this day an age...

and that to paedophiles, candy is candy regardless of whether its sugar coated.

As for pedophiles - They pray on the weak and defenceless... Which is why parents need to be better at defending for them.

[jonbuoy]

I fail to see how a mother dressing up her children has any bearing on the so called reduction of their child hood. There is a hell of a lot more to parenting than just dressing them up. Take a look at the photo and tell me this is a bad mother.

Skyryder

Damn straight she's a bad mother - Where are the fashion police when you need them!?

As to the first post - gotta agree its :puke:

[Skyryder]

Fail to see your point dude. (Unless it was tongue firmly in cheek). Big difference in dressing your kid so they look dorky or like a dag or "over dressed" and like they're being presented as fresh meat at the market.

The point is one of perception. The photo I supplied with my post was that of a mother and child dressed in their culture. Believe it or not we too have a culture..........it's called fashion and changes from year to year. Now here comes the interesting part what is the object of fashion.............its purpose so to speak. some not all men believe that woman dress to look sexy, attractive, call it what you will for them. That's a generalisation OK but we are bombarded with the culture of fashion and how the purpose of this is too look attractive for the opposite sex. They see children dressed in the fashion of adults and believe that this is the purpose of the mother........to display their child as attractive to the opposite sex.

But many woman dress for themselves. They dress to look good for no other reason than that. So if a mother dresses her child up in the manner that she belives looks good for her how does that make her a bad mother?


Skyryder

[James Deuce]

They are innocent, they have no idea what they're doing. Thats why parents need to say NO - Your not dressing up like sugar coated candy.:argue::argue::argue:



As for pedophiles - They pray on the weak and defenceless... Which is why parents need to be better at defending for them.

You dodged my point AND overstated the pedophilia risk. They're more at risk from a family member than a random person in a crowd. I've also yet to meet an "innocent" 13 year old girl, unless it is one who hasn't started ovulating yet.

[Skyryder]

Why is the title of this thread "mothers need to be shot" when the girl was with both her parents?

It's called double standards. The world is full of it. I like to show it up when I can.

Skyryder

[BarBender]

As for pedophiles - They pray on the weak and defenceless...
If only it were that simple.


Which is why parents need to be better at defending for them.

Parents need to know what they're defending against.

Paedophiles dont just come stock standard adult size wearing raincoats. The ones you need to watch out for are those aged as young 5 to 18, related and as has been mentioned...known to the victim.

[Grahameeboy]

Why is the title of this thread "mothers need to be shot" when the girl was with both her parents?

It is just a common phrase, not meant to take sides.

Bit like Frank Spencer - Some Mothers do 'Ave Em...when we all know that a Man in also required etc.

[faredce]

its crazy i have an 11yo sister i can assure u as long as i have breath in my lungs she will not walk around looking like a two bit slut.
in saying that im 20 and fulli encourage girls my age to show a bit of skin haha
it enables me to be more confident wen i try and proposition them lol

>18 is just not cool.

[Katman]

Time for some more of those great pre-teen tee shirts isn't it...

Daddy called Mummy a slapper
I like Boys that ride big bikes
Do my thighs look big in this
Would you like to see where I hide my house keys...




Hey, I've got one............

"If you think they look good now, just imagine how good they'll look when I'm 13".

:msn-wink:

(Yes PB, tongue firmly in cheek)

[marty]

So there I was, going hard shagging my girlfriend doggie style, balls slapping, when my girlfriend turned and looked at me and said 'you're SUCH a pedophile'





























I said 'My that's a big word for a 12 year old'

[Bikernereid]

I think that you will find that women who put it out for all to see are seen as more up for it and are perceived more as a 'target' whether they are up for it or not. At the end of the day think in marketing terms; those goods that are displayed the best and are up the front will be chosen more than those badly displayed and are hidden away!

Rape and paeodophilia are not just about power and control. Paedophilia is also about perception of the child wanting the attention and love. Something that Joe public never seems to understand. Yes these people have problems but think of it is terms of an alcoholic. Yes they have a problem but if your friend was an acolholic would you leave out your booze when they come round to tempt them??

I am female but persoanlly when I see you girls and even women dressed like complete slappers I think that they look like up for it tarts. I am sure that they may be very nice women but that is the impression they are giving off, so if I think that of them and I am female what are men going to think? And I am not a prude by any stretch of the imagination.


I agree with Barbender, pedophillia and rape aren't anything to do with dress standards, they are - to my understanding - more about power and control, and acting out on thinking that most people can't relate to and thus don't understand.

Blaming parents or society excuses bad behaviour that is directly attributable to sick individuals, and leaves others with the thinking that if we change, people who do those things will change, which is just not true.

I'm not sure how I feel about young girls wearing make-up and high heels (fence-sitter). I'm trying to raise my sons to take responsibility for their own actions, so - hopefully - they will never end up blaming someone else for their own mistakes.

Boys and men have to tread very carefully in this society - it's not really fair, but it is the way it is. The more makeup and less clothes a young woman is wearing, the more care they need to take. The time will come when men will take back their power. It's happening already :) And the funny thing is, women have more respect for men when they do that anyway.

[Finn]

What's a canoe lake?

[babyB]

Why is the title of this thread "mothers need to be shot" when the girl was with both her parents?

..............................
I have just been out for a walk around my local canoe lake and seafront and have just seen somethig that knocked me for six. Bear in mind that although extremely sunny it is max 6 degrees out. I saw a young girl, aged about 9/10 out with her parents for a walk wearing 3/4 length leggings with a dress, and I hasten to add that the 'dress' only just skimmed her arse at best, and 3 inch heeled shoes.

I am not saying for one minute that paedophilia is right but for the love of God why are we so shocked when hearing about men/women accosting young girls when parents permit thier young daughters (not even teenagers) to look like mutton dressed as lamb & dress far older than thier years.

I would never have even thought of wearing something like that at her age and as sure as the sun rises every day my mother would NEVER in a month of Sundays let me out of the house looking like a slapper. I didn't even dress like that in my teenage years.

So why if parents don't want bad things to happen to thier little girls do they let them out of the house looking like hookers? I am bemused!!!

dont know what to say other than what the hell ya going to do to the mother when the child walks the a lake even a holiday camp in a bikini?
after all it is way more reveling.... lest she had tights on underneath & parents with her

[Bikernereid]

It is a big pond with very very very big swans on it and where people can race thier remote control ships etc. Why it is callen canoe lake is beyong me as I have never seen anyone canoeing on it.


What's a canoe lake?

[Bikernereid]

I wouldn't put a child ina bikini at the age I personally think it is irrisponsible and they are usually too young to be wearing such things. Why can't they be in an all in one?

Have people not seen Britney Spear, Michael Jackson and other such fuck ups who have been forced into being an 'adult' way before their time. Children have to psychologically develop from childhood to adolescence and then adulthood, when this doesn't occur thats when these individual end up going off the psychology train track.

But why should I complain, more work for me and my kind!!! So keep pumping those screwed up kids out cos at some point in the furture they are bound to end up infront of a counsellor, probation officer, shrink or psychologist!!


dont know what to say other than what the hell ya going to do to the mother when the child walks the a lake even a holiday camp in a bikini?
after all it is way more reveling.... lest she had tights on underneath & parents with her

[Dave Lobster]

But why should I complain, more work for me and my kind!!! So keep pumping those screwed up kids out cos at some point in the furture they are bound to end up infront of a counsellor, probation officer, shrink or psychologist!!

...or magistrate..

[jrandom]

I'm locking my daughter in her room until she's 40.

:yes:

[Bikernereid]

That is what so many of my male friends say about their daughters, knowing what they were like as young men!!


I'm locking my daughter in her room until she's 40.

:yes:

[Lissa]

Sorry but you dont children... I interested to know why you titled this thread MOTHERS should be shot. Nice one! :nono:

My daughter has a bikini... she wears it at home, fark so you are telling me I'm a BAD mum, I'm pimping her out??? Shit she thinks boys have germs, going to try and keep it that way. You know what, I really dont give a shit what you think of me as a mum because I let her wear a bikini, she also wears boys shorts and thinks she a rapper. I like to think I am teaching her morals and value in herself as well. Thanks for letting me know I am screwing up her life.

[Bikernereid]

Obviously each to thier own I just said that I wouldn't let my daughter dress like that but as I am NEVER going to have kids I don't have to worry about such things. Everyone is entitled to thier opinions.

And I don't think I ever mentioned pimping out and you failed to mention how old your daughter was! If you don't care what I think then why did you feel the need to rant?

Well unless the girl in question is being 'dressed' by her father then I hold the mother responsible.


Sorry but you dont children... I interested to know why you titled this thread MOTHERS should be shot. Nice one! :nono:

My daughter has a bikini... she wears it at home, fark so you are telling me I'm a BAD mum, I'm pimping her out??? Shit she thinks boys have germs, going to try and keep it that way. You know what, I really dont give a shit what you think of me as a mum because I let her wear a bikini, she also wears boys shorts and thinks she a rapper. I like to think I am teaching her morals and value in herself as well. Thanks for letting me know I am screwing up her life.

[Pex Adams]

You dodged my point AND overstated the pedophilia risk. They're more at risk from a family member than a random person in a crowd. I've also yet to meet an "innocent" 13 year old girl, unless it is one who hasn't started ovulating yet.

Ooh The incest 'A game the whole family can play'

I was a swim coach for 12 years, and heard of some of the most disgusting practices you could ever imagine happen for example here is just a couple...

Moana Pool in Dunner's where a guy would travel down from Oamaru and get on the water slide, and feel up boys and girls on their way down.

QE2 Pool where a mum would go into the girls changing room with a video camera and record the girls getting changed - this also happened in the boys changing room as well it was discovered.

Now excuse me if I'm wrong, but I would consider these children innocent, and have been placed in a position of something totally out of there control.

Its as simple as that.

[Lissa]

Obviously each to thier own I just said that I wouldn't let my daughter dress like that but as I am NEVER going to have kids I don't have to worry about such things. Everyone is entitled to thier opinions.

And I don't think I ever mentioned pimping out! If you don't care what I think then why did you feel the need to rant?

Well unless the girl in question is being 'dressed' by her father then I hold the mother responsible.

Yea you are right, I dont really give a crap what you think. You obviously think You know everything right, YOU hold the mother responsible, what for, because YOU feel its wrong? You write stupid threads about nothing, then start a thread about Mothers, which obviously is a subject to know so much about.

[Finn]

I'm locking my daughter in her room until she's 40.

:yes:

Bags the first root.

[Bikernereid]

You really have got a bee in your bonnet.

If you know that you are a good mother that is all that counts. If you are happy putting your daughter in a bikini that is great.

But there seem to be quite a few people on here that agree with my concerns so maybe I am not so wrong after all.

If worrying about the safety of young girls is such a bad thing then sue me!!


Yea you are right, I dont really give a crap what you think. You obviously think You know everything right, YOU hold the mother responsible, what for, because YOU feel its wrong? You write stupid threads about nothing, then start a thread about Mothers, which obviously is a subject to know so much about.

[Lissa]

Ok. The problem I have is when I dress my little girl in a bikini its not sexual, I dont dress her in a little frilly swimsuit and think oh wow she looks sexy. If someone thinks that when they look at her, then ferk they must be some kind of weirdo, and should be castrated. :rolleyes: (I have a seven and three year old)

I totally agree that some girls are dressed a bit too adult like. My daughter seems to like all sorts of clothes that I think are way too old for her, and have told her so. Kids should be kids, not dressed up as adults. But she doest like those clothes because it makes her feel sexy, she doesn't even comprend what sexy means, she just thinks they look good. The best thing to do with children in my opinion is to give them guidance on havening enough self-awareness that they chose clothing (talking about teenagers) that don't make them look like slappers to the out side world.

[BarBender]

...when this doesn't occur thats when these individual end up going off the psychology train track.

Choo choo....
:killingme:killingme

[007XX]

I dread the idea of ever having a "girly" girl for a child...I wouldn't know what to do, I don't think!

Having been a tomboy for the greatest part of my life, preferring jeans and T-shirts, I'd struggle with a little girl who wants to dress like Britney Spears :eek5: :crazy: :crybaby:

I have seen a few girls from my son's school (he's 10), and having known a couple of them since he was 5, I have to admit that I am often troubled by how some of these little girls are allowed to wear makeup (eye shadow and lipstick) on a daily basis, as well as skimpy clothing.

I mean, of course I wouldn't say anything to the parents, but I certainly think there is a limit to what should ben deemed acceptable for a child this age. I am pretty open minded, but I don't think makeup or short skirts are really suitable until maybe 16...

Gawd, that sounds so old fashion...:rolleyes:

[Curious_AJ]

Did I read recently that Paris Hilton can't wait to have a daughter of her own cos she is dying to be able to dress her up like herself!!! What the.....????
I'm no prude but am horrified at some of the "dress codes" I see on girls, even as old as 13/14 (and as young as 8 or 9). It's as if they think that looking like an 18 year old skank is something to actually strive for.
Maybe there are women out there who think Paris is on the right track? Heaven help our girls and young women!!

I KNOW!!

and clothing stores like SUPRE don't help the fact either... their sizes are made for teeny boppers etc (or really skinny older teens but not many older teens I know of go there to get clothes) but they're not nice clothes.. they're all skimpy skimpy little skirts, t shirts and shorts etc that show off as much body as possible... these things are mostly based on what celebs like nicole richie and paris hilton wear... it's disgusting how there is actually a whole STORE dedicated to dressing girls as slutty-slut-muffins...

[Badjelly]

it's disgusting how there is actually a whole STORE dedicated to dressing girls as slutty-slut-muffins...
I blame the patriarchy.

[jonbuoy]

Its all a bit like wacko jacko and his Jesus juice and sleepovers, in a pure world it would be harmless but this aint a pure world and humans aren't perfect, some of them are just plain wired up wrong.

[Bikernereid]

I don't know how it is in NZ but in the UK major supermarkets and some clothes stores put children's g-strings near other clothing in full view to encourage young girls to ask their parents for them.

I personally have a real issue with young girls wearing such items of underwear. Maybe I am old fashioned but I think the fashion industry and parents who buy such things for young girls have a lot to answer for.


I KNOW!!

and clothing stores like SUPRE don't help the fact either... their sizes are made for teeny boppers etc (or really skinny older teens but not many older teens I know of go there to get clothes) but they're not nice clothes.. they're all skimpy skimpy little skirts, t shirts and shorts etc that show off as much body as possible... these things are mostly based on what celebs like nicole richie and paris hilton wear... it's disgusting how there is actually a whole STORE dedicated to dressing girls as slutty-slut-muffins...

[Lissa]

I don't know how it is in NZ but in the UK major supermarkets and some clothes stores put children's g-strings near other clothing in full view to encourage young girls to ask their parents for them.

I personally have a real issue with young girls wearing such items of underwear. Maybe I am old fashioned but I think the fashion industry and parents who buy such things for young girls have a lot to answer for.

I personally have never seen childrens G-Strings in New Zealand, I think if shops in NZ did start to sell them it wouldnt be received very well by the public. Bit like those Mr and Miss t-shirts that got pulled from JJ's.

[Lissa]

I am female but persoanlly when I see you girls and even women dressed like complete slappers I think that they look like up for it tarts. I am sure that they may be very nice women but that is the impression they are giving off, so if I think that of them and I am female what are men going to think? And I am not a prude by any stretch of the imagination.

Freedom of choice I suppose. If women don't mind being ogled by guys then thats fine I suppose. Some women like to show off what they have, not so much for the benefit of men, but to feel good about themselves. A bit like having your picture taken on a bike with your boobs hanging out, if you want to show the world an image of you like that, than so be it.


I dread the idea of ever having a "girly" girl for a child...I wouldn't know what to do, I don't think!Honestly I wasnt a girly girl either, hated going clothes shopping with my mum. But I somehow gave birth to a girly girl.... not much I can about it, she loves clothes and spending ages doing her hair, all I can do is guide her towards what is acceptable for her age.

[Bikernereid]

Was waiting for someone to mention my pitcure. At the end of the day I didn't think about having my pic taken on bikes when I chose the top; had I have done I would have chosen a more refined and less revealing top. But at the end of the day I am 34 and and I am not a 10 year old. I can defend myself against verbal assaults and physical assault far better than your average young girl or even adolscent girl for that matter.


Freedom of choice I suppose. If women don't mind being ogled by guys then thats fine I suppose. Some women like to show off what they have, not so much for the benefit of men, but to feel good about themselves. A bit like having your picture taken on a bike with your boobs hanging out, if you want to show the world an image of you like that, than so be it.

Honestly I wasnt a girly girl either, hated going clothes shopping with my mum. But I somehow gave birth to a girly girl.... not much I can about it, she loves clothes and spending ages doing her hair, all I can do is guide her towards what is acceptable for her age.

[Coyote]

There's a store at the mall in Lower Hutt called "Valleygirl".

Most apt name ever.

[007XX]

Freedom of choice I suppose. If women don't mind being ogled by guys then thats fine I suppose. Some women like to show off what they have, not so much for the benefit of men, but to feel good about themselves. A bit like having your picture taken on a bike with your boobs hanging out, if you want to show the world an image of you like that, than so be it.

I agree...forgot one option though: dressing up to look good for your hubby. I know it sounds corny, but I will generally dress well so my man thinks I look hot. Of course, other people see me in the process, but that can't be helped.

There is however a huge difference between beign sexy and being trashy...but that's just my 0.002c worth.


Honestly I wasnt a girly girl either, hated going clothes shopping with my mum. But I somehow gave birth to a girly girl.... not much I can about it, she loves clothes and spending ages doing her hair, all I can do is guide her towards what is acceptable for her age.

:niceone: All the more power to you, as that would be what a loving mother would do in my view. I guess we mothers generally tend to rise to the challenge, don't we? Never really know what you're going to get with kids...but that's part of what makes it so very awesome about having them:2thumbsup

[skelstar]

I know it sounds corny, but I will generally dress well so my man thinks I look hot.
Amen to that!

Hmm... camo pants ... ;)

[owner]

Kinda off topic, At a BBQ on the weekend and yeah 22month old with earings?? child abuse or just cute? she looked cute as a button , but the earings just looked outta place to me. anyone else?



Lissa and 007XX,, 2 mums that should be praised for having their heads screwed on and doing the best they can ...and definately not shot

Oh and yeah I blame the advertising, movies, music vids and such theyve just gone to far, for girls who dont know what sexy is trying to be sexy, like lissa said just lean them in the right direction I supose. Man Im never breeding to much hard work.

[Lissa]

Kinda off topic, At a BBQ on the weekend and yeah 22month old with earings?? child abuse or just cute? she looked cute as a button , but the earings just looked outta place to me. anyone else?



Lissa and 007XX,, 2 mums that should be praised for having their heads screwed on and doing the best they can ...and definately not shot
Earrings.... Chemists will only pierce 6 year olds and over, at an age that they will understand the pain and having to sit still I think. But I have noticed that some indian children have them done, obviously for cultural reasons?

Thanks!

[007XX]

Amen to that!

Hmm... camo pants ... ;)

:gob: :laugh:

I guess you were around yesterday then?

[007XX]

Kinda off topic, At a BBQ on the weekend and yeah 22month old with earings?? child abuse or just cute? she looked cute as a button , but the earings just looked outta place to me. anyone else?



Lissa and 007XX,, 2 mums that should be praised for having their heads screwed on and doing the best they can ...and definately not shot

Oh and yeah I blame the advertising, movies, music vids and such theyve just gone to far, for girls who dont know what sexy is trying to be sexy, like lissa said just lean them in the right direction I supose. Man Im never breeding to much hard work.

Cheers mate...one day at the time, and I never know whether I'm doing right or wrong, but I'm always trying to work hard at being a good parent.

Re: earrings. My grandma "borrowed" me for the afternoon one day, and got my ears pierced...I was 4 I think.
My mom went completely spastic at her, as she hadn't checked with her first.
Me, I just thought that was a big deal about bugger all, as I ended up taking the earrings out within 2 days anyway :laugh:

Which brings me to my point: my grandma wanted me to have the earrings, to make me more girly...Me, I couldn't give a rat's bottom about them: it hurt and it was getting caught in my (then) long hair.

Important question in my mind:How often parents dolly up their kids for their own gratification?

[Monamie]

...my daughter-now 13- is very girly girly (I think she got swapped at the hospital with my one:rolleyes:).
When she was 2 she sat on my knee at the local hairdressers and said she wanted her ears pierced like me ( I have several in each ear),so I asked her if she was really sure and she said yes....so my hairdresser who also pierced ears let her pick her earrings and did them right then and there. She has had no problems at all with them and she has never looked back. Although she was definately too young to make the decision herself-I could see no reason not to get it done.
She is now taller than me and a competitive swimmer with an atheletes body. When she dresses up to go out she easily looks 17 and I have to give all the grubby young men who stare at her `the evils'. She does not dress `tarty' but has a nice shape for a young lady :crybaby:.

[NOMIS]

I never want to have to raise a girl.............
I used to be such a man slut and i dont want a daughter of mine meeting a guy like me

[PrincessBandit]

There's a store at the mall in Lower Hutt called "Valleygirl".

Most apt name ever.

I don't know, i actually think CuriousAJ's "slutty-slut-muffin" is pretty good....do you think that would work? :lol:

[Coyote]

I don't know, i actually think CuriousAJ's "slutty-slut-muffin" is pretty good....do you think that would work? :lol:
Could work... what's the target demographic?

[jrandom]

When she dresses up to go out she easily looks 17 and I have to give all the grubby young men who stare at her `the evils'...

Hey, don't blame the blokes for following natural instincts. If your daughter struts around in tight clothes looking like a well-formed cutie of legal breedin' age, the young fullas are gonna stare.

I mean, seriously. What's 'grubby' about that?

To be honest, I think that parents who go on about such things being 'grubby' run the risk of doing harm and creating screwed-up, repressed kids.

I suppose one must try to strike a balance between that, and allowing our daughters to turn into precocious little whores and our sons into misogynistic animals.

Really, like owner said, it's all too hard. Best to just give up on it entirely, I reckon, and leave the breeding to the lower classes, who don't seem to bother their heads with such niceties and just get on with spitting the sprogs out while the hand-wringing white bourgeoisie sterilise themselves out of existence.

:niceone:

[Bikernereid]

Don't hold back there hun.

Funny that both Owner and I (some would say thank God for me) don't want to breed but that we have what some would say quite a conservative approach towards what is acceptable for young girls. A lot of the problem I see in the UK is what some would deem as the wrong people breeding. The sort of people that don't care if their young daughter goes out underage drinking looking like the local whore and don't think or give a damn about what might happen to her when she is out.

I agree with what you have said about the circular problem of some girls dressing 'tarty' which encourages misogyny (can't spell) and so forth.

I think that as a parent the best you can do is try to instill good morals and a health understanding and respect of what relationships entail and hope that your children have their heads screwed on the right way. The fact that some parents care 007XX and Lissa is a good sign for some of our future generations.


Hey, don't blame the blokes for following natural instincts. If your daughter struts around in tight clothes looking like a well-formed cutie of legal breedin' age, the young fullas are gonna stare.

I mean, seriously. What's 'grubby' about that?

To be honest, I think that parents who go on about such things being 'grubby' run the risk of doing harm and creating screwed-up, repressed kids.

I suppose one must try to strike a balance between that, and allowing our daughters to turn into precocious little whores and our sons into misogynistic animals.

Really, like owner said, it's all too hard. Best to just give up on it entirely, I reckon, and leave the breeding to the lower classes, who don't seem to bother their heads with such niceties and just get on with spitting the sprogs out while the hand-wringing white bourgeoisie sterilise themselves out of existence.

:niceone:

[Bikernereid]

I was not allowed until I was 13. Mu mum had had hers done and whilst at school her ear got ripped when someone caught her earing. She didn;t want this to happen to me hence the ban until I was 13. I am really pleased that she did as being a tomboy I was always hooning around with the lads and no doubt would have caught an earing at some point.

I think it is insane that you can get in trouble in NZ for clipping your kids around the ear but can let a 22month old have its ears pierced. I personally think it is some form of abuse as a chld that age has no cognitive perception of what having its ears pierced entails, but that is just my opinion. If parents want to let their kids get their ears pierced at such a young age, each to thier own.

In the UK if a anyone gets tattooed under the legal without parental consent the tattooist gets done for assault!! Breaking 2 layers of epithelials is all it takes!


Kinda off topic, At a BBQ on the weekend and yeah 22month old with earings?? child abuse or just cute? she looked cute as a button , but the earings just looked outta place to me. anyone else?



Lissa and 007XX,, 2 mums that should be praised for having their heads screwed on and doing the best they can ...and definately not shot

Oh and yeah I blame the advertising, movies, music vids and such theyve just gone to far, for girls who dont know what sexy is trying to be sexy, like lissa said just lean them in the right direction I supose. Man Im never breeding to much hard work.

[karla]

Oh and yeah I blame the advertising, movies, music vids and such theyve just gone to far, for girls who dont know what sexy is trying to be sexy, like lissa said just lean them in the right direction I supose. Man Im never breeding to much hard work.

We hardly ever watch TV - we have one but only to watch movies. It's too easy to leave kids in front of it, getting brainwashed by the crap that adults tell children they need.

Have kids (only 2.5) , but Kill Your TV. It works just as well :)