Two-stroke advice?

[2fst4u]

Before I get a bike, I was just contemplating 2 strokes and 4 strokes. I know you need to mix the oil and fuel together for a 2 stroke but what fuel and what quantity? help please! Also what are the pros and cons of 2 strokes and 4 strokes? I ask this because I can see a mint rgv250 on trademe for $1500. I know I need to take a closer look at it but yea. thanks in advance.

[Ixion]

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[2fst4u]

I can cut you a really keen deal on a bulk purchase of Gene-O-Kleen ® - "Evolution you can see " .


haha, good call. but seriously

[Ixion]

Well, apart from the fact that two strokes are unreliable, need constant rebuilding, cost a fortune for expensive oil that gets burnt almost as fast as petrol, are vicious brutes to ride that will throw you into the ditch, have no electric starter, and parts cost a fortune, yes, seriously.

[Donor]

Well, apart from the fact that two strokes are unreliable, need constant rebuilding, cost a fortune for expensive oil that gets burnt almost as fast as petrol, are vicious brutes to ride that will throw you into the ditch, have no electric starter, and parts cost a fortune, yes, seriously.

Well them's the good points...

Now outline some cons for us!

[Badjelly]

Well, apart from the fact that two strokes are unreliable, need constant rebuilding, cost a fortune for expensive oil that gets burnt almost as fast as petrol, are vicious brutes to ride that will throw you into the ditch, have no electric starter, and parts cost a fortune, yes, seriously.
And emit lots of hydrocarbons in their exhaust, though obviously nobody around here cares about that.

[2fst4u]

haha, i've gone off that idea then. i might just stick with the $5000+ ZXR's and CBR's then :)

[gijoe1313]

And not to be forgetting the Ring-a-ding-ding! The rich smell of oil evaporating into the air and onto one's clothing! The constant grudging looks your neighbours shoot you as you ride in late in the evening, perusing parts catalogues and scratching your head as you try to get it all operational again.

Ahh, two stroker smokers, 'tis bliss! :woohoo:

Just remember, they won't be building them anymore, or like they used to, nope, nope, nope! :oi-grr:

Now, where did I put that whatchamacallit that takes the doohickey off that fandangoblasted gimballgizmo? :scratch:

[quallman1234]

Well, apart from the fact that two strokes are unreliable, need constant rebuilding, cost a fortune for expensive oil that gets burnt almost as fast as petrol, are vicious brutes to ride that will throw you into the ditch, have no electric starter, and parts cost a fortune, yes, seriously.

Nay! Just an urban myth although if you don't know what your doing then yes!

Although i would say get a 4 stroke, a RGV250 would be far too much for you. One great thing about learning on two strokes is that you learn preicesed throttle control and gear changes.

That 1500$ RGV250 off trademe will probabaly shit it self within the next 2000km, Go for a 250 V-twin.

[Rosie]

And emit lots of hydrocarbons in their exhaust, though obviously nobody around here cares about that.

Synthetic 2-stroke oil is carbon neutral :D

[Str8 Jacket]

2 Strokes FTW!!! :Punk:

[faredce]

Well, apart from the fact that two strokes are unreliable, need constant rebuilding, cost a fortune for expensive oil that gets burnt almost as fast as petrol, are vicious brutes to ride that will throw you into the ditch, have no electric starter, and parts cost a fortune, yes, seriously.

whooo bad experience huh
not unreliable but can be tempremental u just have to be nice to them found them easier to maitain, oil is expensive yes but $25-30 here and there compared to a rebuild is not a big deal spent 5x that on a night out occasionally, my rs125 has an electric starter loves the good oil and i treat her good with a kiss at night b4 bed and she loves it havent had a trouble

[Ragingrob]

I saw an 89 CBR on there that looked in pretty decent condition going for $2,200 asking price! Dunno if it's already been taken cause it was damn good value for money.

[Badjelly]

Before I get a bike, I was just contemplating 2 strokes and 4 strokes.

I think it's fair to say, in this day and age, if you're not sure that you want a 2-stroke, then you want a 4-stroke.

Ixion gave a somewhat exaggerated view:


Well, apart from the fact that two strokes are unreliable, need constant rebuilding, cost a fortune for expensive oil that gets burnt almost as fast as petrol, are vicious brutes to ride that will throw you into the ditch, have no electric starter, and parts cost a fortune, yes, seriously.

and faredce sprang ungrammatically to their defense


not unreliable but can be tempremental u just have to be nice to them found them easier to maitain, oil is expensive yes but $25-30 here and there compared to a rebuild is not a big deal spent 5x that on a night out occasionally, my rs125 has an electric starter loves the good oil and i treat her good with a kiss at night b4 bed and she loves it havent had a trouble

I think faredce is closer to the truth (and I think Ixion was being ironic).

I myself had mostly good experiences with my Suzuki GT250 back in the old days (though the GT was a placid beast compared with the modern ringdingers). However I wouldn't have one again, because of the poor fuel economy, the smoky exhaust and the irritating noise.

[Str8 Jacket]

I absolutely love 2 smokers but having blown up 2 within a month of each other I now understand how "unreliable" that they can actually be.... 2 smokers are noisy, smelly, tempremental angry little buggars and that's a huge part of why I love them! Use fully synthetic oil and you'll never what to get of it! 2 smokers can take up alot more attention than say a 4 stroke but they definately give back over 100%!!!

[koba]

If you must do the 2 stoke thin an Rg150 is much more appropriate to learn on than an RGV 250.
Dont think its a speed thing, you will get more out of the smaller bike and even a "mint" RGV250 probably wont last long enough for you to learn to ride it well enough to fully appreciate its abilitles.

Another point to consider is it costs more to run a performance 2 stoke in petrol and oil.
On the same day my Rg150 used more gas PLUS half a liter of oil to get to the same place as my VFR 400.

Do consider an RG150 (suzuki) or KR150 (Kawasaki) as they are great for streetstock and trackdays once you have upgraded the road bike BUT having tried 150 2smokes, 250 4 stokes in twins and $ cylinders I'm will Quallman, a 250 Twin Is probably the best all rounder.

[faredce]

i must say the early morning fumes on a cold day does put a smile on my face tho can be a bit excessive sometimes but i love them..i will probly not get rid of the bike i have now for a long long time will become a treasure and will use it to further my mechanical know-how. one day. right now i prefer to just enjoy it

[quallman1234]

Unless your rich, It just becomes a complete pain in the ass to fill your bike up with oil!, and Petrol for that matter. But i still love my little 2 smokers even tho its in bits atm.

I have 4 2 strokes trust me :P.

[gijoe1313]

Riding a two-stroke is not for all and sundry! Only those who wished to be touched with some of the greatness that surrounds the biking gods above, will contemplate mounting on these ferocious steeds of smoke and noise!

They are addictive, they are apt to test the limits of your patience, wallet and mechanical skills at time ... but the reward you get for riding one of them is enough to make you feel like a quasi-deity!

Do what I and many others have done, get more than one bike! :whistle:

[n0regret5]

'theres nothing that i love more than silence, except for the sound of a two-stroke at full tit.'

$1500 is awful cheap for an rgv..i can guarantee its not anywhere mint!

first stroker i ever took for a spin was a 1990 rgv, i owned a firestorm at the time, and the power scared the shit out of me. i wouldn't recommend one for a learner! if you want a race rep get a cbr250rr or an fzr250rr, both (suprisingly) gutsy and reliable. when i finally got rid of my cbr (or rather the insurance company ran off with it) it had done well more than 80,000kms, and had one full service at 65000 (obviously the valves were checked alot more often than that).

take one for a ride..bet you'll be suprised. especially when the engine gets nice and warm and you can go screaming down the road at nigh 19000rpm..

[ital916]

don't get a two stroke, if you want one reason that completely justifies this. It has no electric start. When it's cold, muddy, wet and your tired. A kickstart is the last thing you need. FOr this reason buy four stroke with a nice electric start. Don't mind that I have one though lol "do as I say not as I do"

[Infamy]

i can totally agree with the neighbours looking at you sideways with the noise factor, i own a 250rgv- learnt on it. and its an amazing machine when its going, but the 'when its going' is a not often enough thing. I am in the process of rebuilding it, i took it apart and learnt lots about how 2 smokes work, but am very lost in the rebuilding process, so its off to the mechanics.. unless someone can help me.. payment in beers? anyone??

[Dropped]

Two strokes are by far the fastest 250s you will get and thats what i love about. they smoke heaps, and take a lot to look after, and use heaps of oil, But they wip and other 4stroke 250s and a lot of the 400s. And when you learn to ride them you will pass the bigger bikes in the corners, sorry no luck on the straights.

[BaldingEagle]

Although two strokes are great funny things. Good for dirt bike or scooters where the gas is full on or off you do have to be a little carefull when riding them on the road at a steady speed.


Here a article to read

http://www.dansmc.com/seizure.htm

seen it happen to a cilent on a 230 dirt bike that he was riding on the road. But that was a few years ago now. Technology has improved and and with the oil injection units now it might not be such a big thing

[Dropped]

Yes but on a two stroke water cooled road bike i dont think this occurs very often. on dirt bikes yes heard about it many times. I.e going down 90 mile beach full tit and it must be a long walk back.

[gammaguy]

two stroke riders::yes::yes::yes::yes::yes::yes::yes:

four stroke riders::yawn:

as you were....