Stupid oil companies...

[Boob Johnson]

Went for a ride today, had no idea where too & ended up in Wanganui :laugh:


Anyway on my way back after a wee snack & a drink, so I pull into the BP on the north side of town & ello ello ello what do we have here??? 98 octane juice!!! Taranaki is one of the few places in the country that doesn't have it :oi-grr:

Anyway ive got 7 litres of 95 already & top it up with 14 litres of the "go go" juice, well bugger ME!!! What a difference! As the Km's ticked over on the way home it seemed to get better (less 95 in the tank I guess).


So what is the point of this thread you ask?


Simply to say "BOO SUCKS TO YOU FRITZY"!!!


Come on you nasty oil companies give us 98 Octane in the Naki!!! :crybaby:



ps: if you feel sorry for us here im willing to go out of my way & except donations of 98 octane (minimum 20 litres), that's just the kinda guy I am :bleh:

[Donor]

ps: if you feel sorry for us here im willing to go out of my way & except donations of 98 octane (minimum 20 litres), that's just the kinda guy I am :bleh:

So... all fuels BUT 98 wanted huh?

Cereally though, the BP 98 is the shee-ite!

It's all My Bike runs on these days, anything less and she sulks and farts til I top her up with The Goodness(tm).

[Dirka]

As far as im aware, one BP in Greymouth and two in Chch have 98.

Thats is for the south . . .

[Headbanger]

funny that, I never knew that particular servo had 98, None of the other BP's in Wanganui carry it. and I shop exclusively at BP due to the company fuel card.

Guess I'll be making more trips to that side of town, as it was i have been spewing on all the rest of the Wanganui BP's switching over to pre-pay pumps. I told em what I think of their policy, and have asked for a Caltex fuel card instead.

bastards.

[Swampdonkey]

You wont find any up here in the far north...Not a bloody shit show.So its a pleasure to go south and fill up on the lovely stuff.Even smells bloody good.

[BiK3RChiK]

I haven't seen it here either. Mind you, we use Shell and Mobil (fuelcards). Might have a look at BP in Whakatane.

We will be down in New Plymouth in about 10 days but I won't be bringing any fuel down sorry! Got the bro's wedding to attend.

Heaps of stations are swapping over to prepay on account of the losers who don't think they have to pay for filling up, so blame them! I don't think the margins are much for gas stations and they must cop heaps of abuse when the price goes up, so I kinda feel sorry for them...

[n0regret5]

octane booster isn't that expensive, will do the same thing..used it on the viffer, went like a maniac..

[Mental Trousers]

Places near race tracks tend to have 98 octane all over the place. So, get a race track built in the Naki. Problem solved.

[cruza]

As far as im aware, one BP in Greymouth and two in Chch have 98.

Thats is for the south . . .

nope.......blenheim, kaikoura, chch- all big connect sites ie bushinn,rolleston edgeware, dallington, qe2 etc etc, and a others on major routes, ashburton, timaru, dunedin , cromwell, queenstown, wanaka , greymouth.

[dipshit]

nope.......blenheim, kaikoura, chch- all big connect sites ie bushinn,rolleston edgeware, dallington, qe2 etc etc, and a others on major routes, ashburton, timaru, dunedin , cromwell, queenstown, wanaka , greymouth.

Even Oamaru has it at one of the BPs.

Possibly also Invercargill..????

[Headbanger]

Heaps of stations are swapping over to prepay on account of the losers who don't think they have to pay for filling up, so blame them! I don't think the margins are much for gas stations and they must cop heaps of abuse when the price goes up, so I kinda feel sorry for them...

And there you have the "official" reason, and now I will give you the real one.

Trade slows down in the last couple of hours, so they drop down to one staff member and lock the pumps. Has nothing to do with drive-off's and everything to do with providing poor service.

[Finn]

The difference between 95 and 98 is purely psychosomatic.

[Soul.Trader]

And there you have the "official" reason, and now I will give you the real one.

Trade slows down in the last couple of hours, so they drop down to one staff member and lock the pumps. Has nothing to do with drive-off's and everything to do with providing poor service.

If it's the choice between dropping to one staff member or going out of business, then there's really no choice, is there? I know a couple of service station owners, and they dont do that well. Dont blame them - blame modern consumerism. It's not the service station's fault that "service" is no longer part of what they do - it's consumers for demanding absolutely the cheapest of everything. If one station charged a mere $0.02 more for petrol, but offered a full-service court yard, they would go out of business.

[Soul.Trader]

The difference between 95 and 98 is purely psychosomatic.

This also is true in about 99% of situations. Very few vehicles require, or get any benefit from, 98 octane fuel.

[RantyDave]

The difference between 95 and 98 is purely psychosomatic.
Ahh, but it's the psychosomes that make it burn with a more even flame front - giving greater power, better fuel economy and improved sexual prowess. I also have magnets you can place under your matress to improve your chi and an antenna booster for mobile phones. Just $29.99 if you call in the next ten minutes.

Dave

[ynot slow]

Bugger thought it was you I passed today,thought lucky b.stard.

Te Kuiti also has 98 fyi.

Have a mate who saw at the V8 Supercars two years ago a demo on 98 vs rest,run by bp and ford.Saw the effects of one bank running on 98,and other side running on 91 in a v8 falcon,with an osicillscope you could see the difference in carbon buildup,hence he only runs 98 in his commodore utes,he lives in Hawera so if going north will fill up at TK and take a 20ltr tank with him,same if he goes south at Wangavegas.

There is a few people canvassing bp for 98 to be in NP,but they trot out the bullshit tank issue,as one garage said we'll drop 96 instead and use the tank for 98,still nogo,must be nice that all the fuel companies have an agreement not to put in 98 if noone else will carry it,cynical moir,never,just funny how the oil price went up and fuel prices went asap,but prior to that the oil price was down,nz $ was ok.

[oldrider]

My Tiger seems to run great on any fuel, 91, 95 or 98! :banana:

So I buy mainly on price. :weep: John.

[Mikkel]

As far as im aware, one BP in Greymouth and two in Chch have 98.

Thats is for the south . . .

Nope...


nope.......blenheim, kaikoura, chch- all big connect sites ie bushinn,rolleston edgeware, dallington, qe2 etc etc, and a others on major routes, ashburton, timaru, dunedin , cromwell, queenstown, wanaka , greymouth.

+1

I even believe you can check which BPs have it online. ;)


Ahh, but it's the psychosomes that make it burn with a more even flame front - giving greater power, better fuel economy and improved sexual prowess. I also have magnets you can place under your matress to improve your chi and an antenna booster for mobile phones. Just $29.99 if you call in the next ten minutes.

Dave

All true. And indeed most vehicle doesn't experience much of a performance boost by going 98.

However, it does burn at a lower temperature - which causes less stress on the engine.
Also, this is a huge bonus for turbo engines running at a higher than stock pressure since it helps to reduce engine knocking.

If I have a choice I always use it - in the car and in the bike. :yes:

[Headbanger]

If it's the choice between dropping to one staff member or going out of business, then there's really no choice, is there? I know a couple of service station owners, and they dont do that well. Dont blame them - blame modern consumerism. It's not the service station's fault that "service" is no longer part of what they do - it's consumers for demanding absolutely the cheapest of everything. If one station charged a mere $0.02 more for petrol, but offered a full-service court yard, they would go out of business.


No, I think I'll continue to blame them, All the BP stations (bar the one out of town that stocks 98) in Wanganui are owned by the one person, And while I'm sure they aren't hurting for money I can't say I would care if they were, If there are too many such stations in a particular area then its just a fact of life that the market will find its own balance, and a few will disappear.

I'm sure no service station owners were heartbroken when my last company didn't make much profit and i moved onto other things, Nor would I expect them to be.

If they want my money then the least they can do is have the pump on, I don't appreciate the added bullshit just to provide them with some more profit.

[cruza]

Even Oamaru has it at one of the BPs.

Possibly also Invercargill..????

sorry forgot oamaru! , no not in Invercargill yet

[Soul.Trader]

If they want my money then the least they can do is have the pump on, I don't appreciate the added bullshit just to provide them with some more profit.

In that case, feel free not to buy petrol any more.

[Soul.Trader]

All true. And indeed most vehicle doesn't experience much of a performance boost by going 98. However, it does burn at a lower temperature - which causes less stress on the engine.


Saw the effects of one bank running on 98,and other side running on 91 in a v8 falcon,with an osicillscope you could see the difference in carbon buildup

Quotes like these demonstrate popular misunderstandings of what octane ratings really mean. Higher octane fuel contains the very same amount of chemical energy as lower octanes, but simply resist burning more effectively. High RON most certainly doesn't burn any cooler, and has no effect on carbon build-up, unless you have a seriously poorly tuned engine.

Also, how would you see carbon with an oscilloscope (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscilloscope)?

[Headbanger]

In that case, feel free not to buy petrol any more.

No, I'll switch brands. Far less stupid.

For your information I can spend up to 6 grand in a single week on fuel, So hopefully my non-patronage of BP will be noticed.

[Gubb]

For your information I can spend up to 6 grand in a single week on fuel, So hopefully my non-patronage of BP will be noticed.

Unlikely.
Sad as it is.

[BiK3RChiK]

And there you have the "official" reason, and now I will give you the real one.

Trade slows down in the last couple of hours, so they drop down to one staff member and lock the pumps. Has nothing to do with drive-off's and everything to do with providing poor service.

I stand corrected! Up here they do it from early evening whether there are 2 or 3 on or just 1 on, so that's what I based that on... never claimed to be 'official' or anything. Oh, and there are heaps of drive-offs up here so the attendants say..

[Headbanger]

I stand corrected! Up here they do it from early evening whether there are 2 or 3 on or just 1 on, so that's what I based that on... never claimed to be 'official' or anything.

In which case, feel free to lay the smack down on me.:clap:

[Boob Johnson]

The difference between 95 and 98 is purely psychosomatic.
YOUR psychosomatic lol



Dude the dif is HUGE!!! Even with (as stated) 7 litres of 95 then topped up with 14 litres of the "Go Go" juice. No placebo effect at all.



Those that think there is no difference are obviously not paying attention to their vehicle as my previous car (1992 325 BMW Coupe) there was a HUGE dif. On the first time doing a run from Auckland back here to Taranaki on 98 I noticed not only at LEAST a $5 saving over the 360 km journey but a marked difference in performance & as stated a big dif in the bike earlier today.

[sunhuntin]

funny that, I never knew that particular servo had 98, None of the other BP's in Wanganui carry it. and I shop exclusively at BP due to the company fuel card.

Guess I'll be making more trips to that side of town, as it was i have been spewing on all the rest of the Wanganui BP's switching over to pre-pay pumps. I told em what I think of their policy, and have asked for a Caltex fuel card instead.

bastards.

i work the bp by the splash center. we go prepay at 6pm, and i go home at 7, meaning sole charge. if it wasnt for all the cunts driving off without paying, we wouldnt have had to do this. btw, just so you know, dont direct your anger at me behind the counter. when the owner says jump, we have to say how high. its that or we lose our jobs... if that happens, the service gets even worse, because it is the long timers like me who will leave. indeed, im seriously considering it at the moment.
besides, prepay means i can concentrate on the shop and do things like cleaning the shelves etc.

bp avenue has 98, but theres not enough LOCAL demand for the other 3 to have it. at my station, i ALWAYS open the pumps for anything with 2 wheels. not sure what happens after im gone, but when im on site, the pumps are opened for all bikes and trikes.



Heaps of stations are swapping over to prepay on account of the losers who don't think they have to pay for filling up, so blame them! I don't think the margins are much for gas stations and they must cop heaps of abuse when the price goes up, so I kinda feel sorry for them...

yes, we do cop heaps when the price goes up. for a while i was being called a fuckin something on a daily basis... i get 11.25, and honestly, thats not enough to be someone elses verbal punching bag. im now getting the point of giving it back, especially when ive been standing for near on 12 hours without a break and have had enough of lazy customers treating me like a slave. without me and my co workers, theyd have to do their own damn gas.

my boss sees about .4c/liter petrol. the rest of mainly govt taxes to pay for the shit roads that fall to bits the next day. thats why things like lollies and drinks etc are so expensive, to bump up the profits

in 2 years, ive had one drive off during my shift. it was for $70-odd dollars. we had the cops on the phone before he even got off the forecourt and they caught him later that day doing 120k in a 50, on a road only 2 mins walk from my parents house. the girl i was working with and i didnt even get a thank you from the boss.

[Mikkel]

i work the bp by the splash center...

Sounds pretty bad! :eek:
I'll never understand why people think that it's ok to treat the people who provide a service for them like shit... :no:

Your boss sure sounds like a wanker.

[MIXONE]

For those who think the benefits are placebo crap.I use 98 in all 3 of my vehicles(2 turbo cars and a bike) and not only does it improve torque I also get a 15% better economy rate.On a product that cost around 4% more I call this a great savings.Later model vehicles probable don't get the same benefit because the ECU automatically adjusts timing etc. for our normal piss juice.

[madandy]

For those who think the benefits are placebo crap.I use 98 in all 3 of my vehicles(2 turbo cars and a bike) and not only does it improve torque I also get a 15% better economy rate.On a product that cost around 4% more I call this a great savings.Later model vehicles probable don't get the same benefit because the ECU automatically adjusts timing etc. for our normal piss juice.

By the same token, a modern engine management system will advance ignition timing to take advantage of higher RON and realise improvments in performance and economy.
My GT-R, now sold sadly, was tuned for 98. It would make less power on lower octanes but still run on them if tuned accordingly.
Our BMW 328i gives better economy on 98 - its made that way.
Our 2001 Nissan Stagea has a 3L direct injection engine and it too gives superior performance and economy using 95RON rather than 91 - I have not tried a tank of 98RON.
The Gixxer on the other hand needs a bloody good tune up and seems to run best on 95 but I've no evidence to back that up.

[sunhuntin]

Sounds pretty bad! :eek:
I'll never understand why people think that it's ok to treat the people who provide a service for them like shit... :no:

Your boss sure sounds like a wanker.

exactly... the way some customers act and treat us, id be damn ashamed to try. id also expect a crack around the head if i did.

hes not too bad... we dont see him much. its the lack of a break that kills most of us. but, in order to have a break, one would have to do sole charge for 15 mins, and then vice versa. in a site where every second is a customer, it would be impossible to cope.

[Ixion]

i work the bp by the splash center. we go prepay at 6pm, and i go home at 7, meaning sole charge. if it wasnt for all the cunts driving off without paying, we wouldnt have had to do this. -



But ---



in 2 years, ive had one drive off during my shift. it was for $70-odd dollars.

One in two years is hardly a trend ?

[Swoop]

It is nice to note that oil has broken the US$100-per-barrel, barrier today.:crazy:

[sunhuntin]

ixion... thats the only one ive had when ive been on shift. there were two others that happened when i was on site, one right before i started and one right when i finished [and i then chased but lost]
there have been MANY others when i havent been on site. contrary to popular belief, we dont stay on site 24/7
multiply that by 4 sites and there ya go. i hated prepay to start with, but honestly, its just a fact of life really. now, it makes it easier for me to get things stocked and tidy for the next day.

[Finn]

It is nice to note that oil has broken the US$100-per-barrel, barrier today.:crazy:

Countered by the exchange rate hitting .80

[Swoop]

Countered by the exchange rate hitting .80
Tell that to the petrol companies...

[Boob Johnson]

Countered by the exchange rate hitting .80
Which it's not expected to stay at for long :weep:

[Headbanger]

, just so you know, dont direct your anger at me behind the counter....

.....for a while i was being called a fuckin something on a daily basis...



Never fear, I lack the capacity to be so queer in the head as to abuse a petrol station attendant for anything less then getting fuel on me or damage to my mode of transportation on the day.

You should be allowed to shoot assholes on the spot who vent at you over fuel prices.

If it were me, I'd put the price up, so they would go elsewhere, Of course, Without the customers you may not have much of a job.

[Mr Triple]

So what do they charge for this new 98 anyway?:yes:

[MIXONE]

05c per litre more then 95.Well worth it.

[sunhuntin]

Never fear, I lack the capacity to be so queer in the head as to abuse a petrol station attendant for anything less then getting fuel on me or damage to my mode of transportation on the day.

You should be allowed to shoot assholes on the spot who vent at you over fuel prices.

If it were me, I'd put the price up, so they would go elsewhere, Of course, Without the customers you may not have much of a job.

id love the ability to shoot such customers... might give me a chance to sit down now and then! LOL. as i stands right now, none of us sit down except going to the loo, lol.
yeh... if i put the prices up without bps say so, id be fired anyways, lmfao.

[Swoop]

Countered by the exchange rate hitting .80

Tell that to the petrol companies...
Oh, what a difference a day makes (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10493712).
Typical of the oil conglomerates in NZ.

[dipshit]

The difference between 95 and 98 is purely psychosomatic.

Tell that to a modern high compression engine running a lean mix on a hot day!

The 95 we get in NZ is rather crappy. The 98 is imported from Australia and is overall a better quality.

[Zuki Bandit]

damn them...DAMN THEM ALL TO HELL!!!

[homer]

This also is true in about 99% of situations. Very few vehicles require, or get any benefit from, 98 octane fuel.

Thats the most sence about fuel ive seen yet

[jcupit69]

I'd love more places to have 98 octaine. got an rs 250 so i only out 98 in it (at least im supposed to, i do try!) and there are only afew bps and afew mobils around that do it. Being a high performance two stroke i only want to put the best oil and petrol etc in it so as to limit the ware on the engine as much a possible.

Especially annoying when no petrol stations round the rumatukas have 98 octaine, so i have to put 95 in on the odd occasion....its just not as good. Bp on the north side of the tulas should really get 98 in there....keep all the bikers happy :niceone:

[Ixion]

Dude, have you ever checked out the compression ratio on two strokes?

[Boob Johnson]

So what do they charge for this new 98 anyway?:yes:
It's not new, been around for years :msn-wink:

[xwhatsit]

Tell that to a modern high compression engine running a lean mix on a hot day!

Hahah yes. Put some 91 in the RS the other day, then got stuck in heavy Auckland traffic in the hot sun. Thing was pinking like a bitch, had to keep the RPM right up there. Horrible. 98, problem went away. But the carburettor isn't exactly perfect right now.

[sunhuntin]

Originally Posted by Bent51
So what do they charge for this new 98 anyway?


used to be 11c ABOVE 91, but im thinking the difference may have gone up. [ie, $1.70 for 91, $1.81 for 98]
its been a while since i worked at that bp, got sick of working with lazy, backstabbing females. now, where i work, im the only full time chick.

[FruitLooPs]

What I want to know is, what happens if you run short on gas and you only have 91 to use. Like Arthurs pass, sure you should have gas, but i've found myself questioning on the RG150 whether I can make the next gas stop if I don't get some at Arthurs.

I always ride with 95+ in it, not sure it really needs it but rather safe than sorry. My 1st gen gsxr750 used to eat fuel like no tomorrow, and I wouldn't trust it from Sheffield to the next station west coast side thats for sure. :Pokey:

Reckon a fairly highly tuned engine like the 750 would start to detonate on 91?, granted it's a pretty old gsxr

[sunhuntin]

What I want to know is, what happens if you run short on gas and you only have 91 to use. Like Arthurs pass, sure you should have gas, but i've found myself questioning on the RG150 whether I can make the next gas stop if I don't get some at Arthurs.

I always ride with 95+ in it, not sure it really needs it but rather safe than sorry. My 1st gen gsxr750 used to eat fuel like no tomorrow, and I wouldn't trust it from Sheffield to the next station west coast side thats for sure. :Pokey:

Reckon a fairly highly tuned engine like the 750 would start to detonate on 91?, granted it's a pretty old gsxr

running 91 wont kill the bike. i run 91 in my bike, and did arthurs last year. i thought i would make it [guesstimate of just under 200k when the road sign said it was 250k] so had to gas up at the pass. stop anyways... good chance for a stretch and watch the kea.

ORRRR, alternately, buy a 5 liter can and fill that with 95 at the last gas stop. if you think you need it, buy 2 to balance the bike.

[Ixion]

What I want to know is, what happens if you run short on gas and you only have 91 to use. Like Arthurs pass, sure you should have gas, but i've found myself questioning on the RG150 whether I can make the next gas stop if I don't get some at Arthurs.

..

Dude , it's a two stroke. DO you folks not know about two stroke compression ratios (ie they ain't got any). The good old 78 octane would be OK.

Any but the most highly tuned engines will be fine on 91 , so long as you take it easy.

[FruitLooPs]

running 91 wont kill the bike. i run 91 in my bike, and did arthurs last year. i thought i would make it [guesstimate of just under 200k when the road sign said it was 250k] so had to gas up at the pass. stop anyways... good chance for a stretch and watch the kea.

ORRRR, alternately, buy a 5 liter can and fill that with 95 at the last gas stop. if you think you need it, buy 2 to balance the bike.

yeah on the way back from greymouth street races a few years ago on the RG I had a car tailing me with a fuel can, I didn't bother with gas at arthurs out of interest. I made it just to the start of the canterbury plains before reserve. I topped up then with the can, but I might've made it anyhow <_<

And Ixion, I hadn't bothered to check the comp ratio on the RG and I didn't have previous experience with 2-stroke. I asked the previous owner what he ran and then when I got the pvalves done a month after purchase I asked Oyster who looks after the streetstock racing and 95 is what the streetstock guys use.

[Ixion]

Have a wee think about what octane rating petrol was aorund when those engines were designed. We didn't always have 95 y'know, or even 91 for that matter.

[jcupit69]

Dude, have you ever checked out the compression ratio on two strokes?

I know the bike will run on 91, but it runs better on 98, and for the small increase in cost id rather put 98 in for the benefits it offers over the 91 and 95. The benefits 98 offers may not be much, but the increased in cost isn't much either, and the bike does run better on 98.

I just prefer putting the best oil and fuel in, to try and make my engine last as long as possible. Same with the spark plugs, i could put cheap 1s in and the bike would still go ok, but id rather spend the extra $$$ and get the best ones i can, so the bike will run as well as possible.

I accept that the bikes dont need the 98 and they will run fine on 91 (and probs 78, but i aint gonna try), im just saying id rather put the best stuff in to get the best out.