Filtering

[snuffles]

Just a small rant:drool:

I understand that filtering is quite scary, what with all the trucks ,vans and cars oh my......

But to the guy on th BMW on Hutt motorway this morning.

1. Keep your feet on the pegs ( helps control bike)
2. Look in your mirrors ( helps if you can see whats behind you)
3. If a gap is to small, pull back in to traffic ( not slam the anchors on)
4.dont hold other bikers up( it pisses most of us off)

Rant over

[doozy]

I had an interesting experience on the northern mway this morning, a car actually moved right over in the lane to give me more room ... he also tooted at they guy in front of him to get him to move over too, first time I've seen that vs people just cutting me off or pulling some kind of sammich manouver

I find pulling over beneficial to let other bikers past me, gives me someone to follow ... if you do go on the northern in the morning, thanks for 'plowing the road' :D

[Str8 Jacket]

Good Morning Grumps! Havent seen ya round for awhile, did ya miss us? ;)

[snuffles]

Good Morning Grumps! Havent seen ya round for awhile, did ya miss us? ;)

If I was happy, you would wonder what drugs I was on.:laugh:

[snuffles]

I had an interesting experience on the northern mway this morning, a car actually moved right over in the lane to give me more room ... he also tooted at they guy in front of him to get him to move over too, first time I've seen that vs people just cutting me off or pulling some kind of sammich manouver

I find pulling over beneficial to let other bikers past me, gives me someone to follow ... if you do go on the northern in the morning, thanks for 'plowing the road' :D

I found this happens quite a lot for me, probably becouse I filter with my hazards on and a fluro vest.

[Str8 Jacket]

If I was happy, you would wonder what drugs I was on.:laugh:

No, I would probably ask you to share! :p


Drugs are bad mmmkay?

[Hitcher]

What a month! Countersteering, fingerless gloves, waving, open-face helmets and now filtering. I'm uncertain, though, as to whether that is a slam or a flush?

[madandy]

There a couple of weeks left Hitcher...you may get both.

[ManDownUnder]

What a month! Countersteering, fingerless gloves, waving, open-face helmets and now filtering. I'm uncertain, though, as to whether that is a slam or a flush?

Better than the KB traditional - Aces and 8s...

[Mikkel]

Rant over... not!

5. If you're not comfortable and confident with lane splitting/filtering - quite simply put, do not do it.

:done:

[idb]

I hate traffic filtering...prefer espresso myself.

[heyjoe]

I had an interesting experience on the northern mway this morning, a car actually moved right over in the lane to give me more room ... he also tooted at they guy in front of him to get him to move over too, first time I've seen that vs people just cutting me off or pulling some kind of sammich manouver

I find pulling over beneficial to let other bikers past me, gives me someone to follow ... if you do go on the northern in the morning, thanks for 'plowing the road' :D

Nice to hear a good experience/ postive story for a change about traffic behaviour around us riders. I try to be considerate around bikes when I am in the car myself cause I know what its like to be out there.

[Badjelly]

Nice to hear a good experience/ postive story for a change about traffic behaviour around us riders. I try to be considerate around bikes when I am in the car myself cause I know what its like to be out there.

I know what it's like to be out there. They're having a marvellous time while I'm stuck in a tin box! That's why I try to knock them off.

[madbikeboy]

I am choosing my words carefully; with Hitcher watching, I'm trying to raise my game :laugh:

I rode scoot back from Paeroa on the weekend, and was astonished at the timid approach of most bikers. And the lack of courtesy. There is an optimum speed that allows you to filter and get past without being suicidal.

If you have someone come in behind you, let them past, then sit on their wheel. Safety in numbers and all that...

Indecision is wrong on so many levels. If you take a positive movement past a car, they don't get the opportunity to mess with you. Also, indecision also adds delay to throttle roll on, and braking - should I?, can I?, Will I?

Bikes respond to firm, authoritative commands. You are well advised not to try this with your better half, women and bikes are diametrically opposed in their response to this course of action.

Hitcher, how was tht 4 grammer and shit? :no:

[ICE180]

Was heading west on the north western this morning and saw what looked like a line of about 6 bikes filtering between Lincon rd and rosebank rd

Look great from the other side all the cars stopped all the bikes just keeped on moving

[PuppetMaster]

If you have someone come in behind you, let them past, then sit on their wheel. Safety in numbers and all that..


This also applies you mr. Red Hyosung 250 on the Hutt motorway this morning. Fark me, the "L" on your plate must stand for "lost", cause you sure didnt know the way forward.

[Dodger]

I had a large truck move over for me this morning, and he even moved so as to widen the gap :)

I waved, as I do to all vehicles that move out of my way. :love:

[Fatjim]

What suprises me here is that you expected a BMW "rider" not to hold you up. Holding other riders up is in the instruction manual for every BMW. Get used to it.

[Ewan Oozarmy]

What suprises me here is that you expected a BMW "rider" not to hold you up. Holding other riders up is in the instruction manual for every BMW. Get used to it.

Exactly. Aren't BMW riders the equivalent of Volvo drivers?

[RnB Fan]

When I am filtering on the motorway I always keep one eye on the mirrors cos I am a slow filterer and there are always bikes coming up behind me. All I need to do is blend back into the traffic and let them past. Generally I get a wave as they go through and then I just slot back into the "middle lane" and carry on. So if you are a slower rider and you filter then watch your mirrors.

[megageoff76]

I found this happens quite a lot for me, probably becouse I filter with my hazards on and a fluro vest.

Its probably cause they think your a bike cop :Police:

[Pwalo]

Filtering, pahh. Just aim to start work at 7 am. Not too much traffic around at that stage, and it's all going faster than 100ks.

Now be fair those BMs are pretty damned wide, and you have to admire any one willing to go between two cars on one.

[90s]

Coming back towards the harbour bridge a few weeks ago traffic was moving about 30-40k - prime splitting speed. I split up to a Harley who was between cars - going exactly the same speed as the cars. After a few minutes (which feels like forever) I realise he is keeping EXACT pace between two cars - slowing when they slow, and speeding up when they do. So he is blocking me completely, and aware of me.
When I found a route around by changing lanes etc. he didn't seem to change his behaviour, so probably wasn't blocking me, just doing something very odd.
Anyone else seen this?

[Japtwin]

I too rode back from Paeroa on Sun and experienced the full range of riding behaviour, from timid to 'are you f#@%**! insane especially at Maramarua you crazy Trumpy Triple rider passing a GSX14 who was pasing a campervan while a big semis coming t other way. Also saw many Lplate riders riding at a reasonable speed but within their and their machines ability, hats off to you people not trying to keep up w the speed machines.
Sometimes the hard bit with sifting is knowing when to stop ie if trafiics crawling, off u go ,then it picks up a bit and there u are doing 90ks in a lane thats not really a lane oh well:doctor:

[PirateJafa]

Now be fair those BMs are pretty damned wide, and you have to admire any one willing to go between two cars on one.

Most people end up filtering between BMWs. :P

[bull]

Yip this morning i got stuck behind a trail bike whom was behind a Yamaha R1 or R6, which in turn was behind a cruiser of some shape or form. At korokoro lights the cruiser pulled aside to let yammie and i stack up and then trail bike went down the inside to head into petone. Cue the green light and the yammie takes off and leaves me space to take the lead and split all the way from there to the flyover.

Please check your mirrors when splitting, and let the bike behind go past then carry on at your own speed. As for the earlier comment about if youre not confident dont split - absolute rubbish, split at your own speed and the confidence/fearlessness/stupidity will build.

[madbikeboy]

Ahah, it's not just me that gets fucked off with slow assed filterers (is filterer a word?, if not can I patent it?).

On another note - BMW's. It is with considerable regret that I admit this. I mean, I ride motorcycles, not sad assed mid-life crisis with heated hang grips and adjustable screens...

But at Paeroa...

Shit, this is really, REALLY tough... I mean not as tough as admitting that you like country music or that you think it's okay for a bloke to shed a tear and say the word "feelings"...

But...

But, after riding the gixer all the way from Auckland, along the winding road, and the resultant sore knees (I need another knee reconstruction) - I found myself thinking about my mate Phil's new BMW R1200 thingee. Not for the heated handgrips, or for that nifty adjustable screen. But I found myself dreaming of having a ride in that big comfy armchair with my knees at a reasonable angle. And cruise control to make up for my lack of self control.

But, it's like asking your mate to share his missus. Phil's an okay sort, for a BMW owner. And he rides a Buell as well, so he's not gay. And it goes okay, once he roared past me doing a buck fifty. Miles, not kay's.

[EXDUNK]

I'm constantly checking my rear view when splitting to let faster riders through but that can be a bit dodgy as that then momentarily takes my attention away from whats going on in front. Need to watch this as I'm going South over the Gorge flyover, just before and when it meets the Hutt traffic. Too many cages make split second lane changes from inside to outside lane and if I'm still checking my rear view...

Some riders acknowledge my pulling in, some don't. Makes me feel chuffed and good about riding when they do though.

As an aside, found myself automatically nodding to a rider tonight... but I was in my car at the time. Muppet.

[gunnyrob]

Aren't BMW riders the equivalent of Volvo drivers?

Alright, THAT deserves a big :finger:

It is a bit tricky getting the mighty 180 degree V-twin thru gaps, but it is no wider than my mirrors.

Compare me to a Volvo driver? pffft. (I don't even like bowling)

Roll on winter, so I can fully utilise my superior bavarian heated grips!

[titirangi]

Theres a dude on a silver BMW 1200GS on my route home - he always looks so goddamn comfortable on that thing. And for a really tall bike he is 3 times as manouvarable as the gixxer through traffic. Hmmmm.


Ahah, it's not just me that gets fucked off with slow assed filterers (is filterer a word?, if not can I patent it?).

On another note - BMW's. It is with considerable regret that I admit this. I mean, I ride motorcycles, not sad assed mid-life crisis with heated hang grips and adjustable screens...

But at Paeroa...

Shit, this is really, REALLY tough... I mean not as tough as admitting that you like country music or that you think it's okay for a bloke to shed a tear and say the word "feelings"...

But...

But, after riding the gixer all the way from Auckland, along the winding road, and the resultant sore knees (I need another knee reconstruction) - I found myself thinking about my mate Phil's new BMW R1200 thingee. Not for the heated handgrips, or for that nifty adjustable screen. But I found myself dreaming of having a ride in that big comfy armchair with my knees at a reasonable angle. And cruise control to make up for my lack of self control.

But, it's like asking your mate to share his missus. Phil's an okay sort, for a BMW owner. And he rides a Buell as well, so he's not gay. And it goes okay, once he roared past me doing a buck fifty. Miles, not kay's.

[Virago]

Alright, THAT deserves a big :finger:

It is a bit tricky getting the mighty 180 degree V-twin thru gaps, but it is no wider than my mirrors...

I can't quite grasp the concept of a 180 degree V-twin...:crazy:

[Fatjim]

Alright, THAT deserves a big :finger:

It is a bit tricky getting the mighty 180 degree V-twin thru gaps, but it is no wider than my mirrors.

Compare me to a Volvo driver? pffft. (I don't even like bowling)

Roll on winter, so I can fully utilise my superior bavarian heated grips!

Grow some balls mate, and tell all you BMW driving mates to do the same. If your mirrors fit then the rest of you will. Your pots aren't any wider than the cans on the SV and I very rarely scrape those down the side of cars.

Anyway, it's not just the boxer drivers that drive scared. It's freeking every BMW bike I see, except a rare few, God bless them.

[madbikeboy]

Theres a dude on a silver BMW 1200GS on my route home - he always looks so goddamn comfortable on that thing. And for a really tall bike he is 3 times as manouvarable as the gixxer through traffic. Hmmmm.

Hmm.

It's just not right. What we're thinking. I mean, we've both been bought up better than that, right? I mean, could you imagine the disappointment in the eyes of our loved ones, if we came out... If we said... If we admitted the strange attraction...

To a ..... BMdubyah?

Reminds me of a joke.

Kids in a class, teacher asks - "what do your parents do?"
Mary jumps up and says "My dad is an executive, and he works wearing a suit and a tie".
Suzy gets up, "My dad is a Doctor, and he spends all day helping people get better".

Johnny gets up - "My Dad sleeps with other men for money, he works in a strip club and he wears women's underwear". :buggerd:

The teacher gasps and says that can't be true.

Johnny hangs his head, and admits "it's not true, but I'm too ashamed to say that my Dad is actually the Captain of the NZ Cricket team"...:banana::banana::banana:

[BiK3RChiK]

Hmm.


The teacher gasps and says that can't be true.

Johnny hangs his head, and admits "it's not true, but I'm too ashamed to say that my Dad is actually the Captain of the NZ Cricket team"...:banana::banana::banana:

Now man! That's a bit low!! Although they shoulda won that bloody game tonight!!! How'd they toss away a 30 run lead???? Sorry, OT!! But I can't believe it!!

M

[madbikeboy]

Now man! That's a bit low!! Although they shoulda won that bloody game tonight!!! How'd they toss away a 30 run lead???? Sorry, OT!! But I can't believe it!!

M

The first time I heard this joke, it was "my dad's an all black..."

But I thought I'd get lynched...

[Mikkel]

Please check your mirrors when splitting, and let the bike behind go past then carry on at your own speed. As for the earlier comment about if youre not confident dont split - absolute rubbish, split at your own speed and the confidence/fearlessness/stupidity will build.

How can you first call my argument rubbish and then go ahead and say more or less exactly the same thing?
If your OWN SPEED is zero (i.e. you're neither confident nor comfortable lane splitting) then I gather from what you're saying that you shouldn't split. Which is exactly what I said.

Certainly you can't argue that you, with your life on the line, want to be pushing the envelope harder than you're comfortable with? That's a thing that is bound to end in tragedy!

[Swoop]

I can't quite grasp the concept of a 180 degree V-twin...:crazy:
It is a very "flat" V...:blip:

The first time I heard this joke, it was "my dad's an all black..."

But I thought I'd get lynched...
Nah. We all know that rugby is for fag's.

[jrandom]

Ahah, it's not just me that gets fucked off with slow assed filterers (is filterer a word?, if not can I patent it?).

'Filterer' is a word, but 'assed' is not. Consider this your first and only warning from the BDOTGNZA's Enforcement Division.


But, after riding the gixer all the way from Auckland, along the winding road, and the resultant sore knees (I need another knee reconstruction) - I found myself thinking about my mate Phil's new BMW R1200 thingee.

Yes, they're nice, aren't they? I was considering an R as an alternative to the GSX1400. Price swung me toward the Suzuki, though.

By the way, anyone who rode back from Pie Rower along SH2 was foolish, IMHO, and entirely deserved the annoyance of the inevitable traffic madness.

I rode home via Paeroa - Kopu, then up through Miranda and Kawakawa Bay. Virtually no traffic, and a very pleasant pootle.

:yes:

[Mikkel]

'Filterer' is a word, but 'assed' is not. Consider this your first and only warning from the BDOTGNZA's Enforcement Division.


Assed is just slang for donkeyed... :rolleyes:

BDOTGNZA needs to move with the times as well I suppose.

[Hitcher]

BDOTGNZA needs to move with the times as well I suppose.

Do not mess with the Enforcement Division of the BDOTGNZA. Their insertion and extraction policy knows no fear and shows no mercy.

[Mikkel]

Do not mess with the Enforcement Division of the BDOTGNZA. Their insertion and extraction policy knows no fear and shows no mercy.

So, is it the policy that doesn't know... or is it policy not to know?

I'm getting slightly confused. :crazy:


Insertion: [CTRL]+[V]
Extraction: [CTRL]+[X]

Cut and paste like you mean it - with a conviction!

[Mr Merde]

..... Their insertion and extraction policy knows no fear and shows no mercy.

Does one need to provide ones own lubricant or is it provided gratis?

Enquiring minds need to know

[bull]

How can you first call my argument rubbish and then go ahead and say more or less exactly the same thing?
If your OWN SPEED is zero (i.e. you're neither confident nor comfortable lane splitting) then I gather from what you're saying that you shouldn't split. Which is exactly what I said.

Certainly you can't argue that you, with your life on the line, want to be pushing the envelope harder than you're comfortable with? That's a thing that is bound to end in tragedy!

Not even close to being the same thing, your advice was dont split at all if youre doing it slowly, mine is to let the others pass then carry on doing your slow splitting, as time grows the confidence will too. But youre right about the last part i never go faster than i am comfortable with.

[idb]

Do not mess with the Enforcement Division of the BDOTGNZA. Their insertion and extraction policy knows no fear and shows no mercy.

That sounds a bit...unsavoury...when considering the meaning of BDOTGNZA!

[Mikkel]

Not even close to being the same thing, your advice was dont split at all if youre doing it slowly, mine is to let the others pass then carry on doing your slow splitting, as time grows the confidence will too. But youre right about the last part i never go faster than i am comfortable with.

In that case I either expressed myself poorly or you misread my post.

All good to split at low relative speeds - as long as you don't go wavering about half-heartedly with a lacking sense of direction. You need to have the mental acuity to respond quickly while keeping track of two lanes of traffic in front of and behind you.

I don't think I mentioned speed - I just said don't do it unless you're confident and comfortable doing it. (... at the speed you're doing it)

[Fatjim]

If you never push your comfort zone you never improve. It's knowing the difference between uncomfortable, and unsafe.

[marty]

I did a bit of filtering on the southern last night. Between Takanini and Manukau. Quite fast really. Someone in a ute with a motorbike on the tray pulled out in front of me about 70m ahead. Probably going about 100km/h slower than I was. Flashed headlight - he moved more right towards the barrier. I filtered nicely down the inside between him and another car. Perfectly legal! Cheers mate :)

[90s]

Probably going about 100km/h slower than I was. :)

Is this right?
So they might have been tootling along in traffic doing 30kph and you were blistering down the middle at 130kph?

[bull]

I just said don't do it unless you're confident and comfortable doing it. (... at the speed you're doing it)

The best way to build confidence is to do it again and again, just like learning to walk, there will be lots of falling over and wobbling about on your legs but after doing it again and again you will get it and the confidence will come.

[Mikkel]

If you never push your comfort zone you never improve. It's knowing the difference between uncomfortable, and unsafe.


The best way to build confidence is to do it again and again, just like learning to walk, there will be lots of falling over and wobbling about on your legs but after doing it again and again you will get it and the confidence will come.

That's all true guys. But pushing yourself further than you're comfortable with and you don't have the reserve that you need to take stuff in and learn. And you risk pushing yourself a bit too far and get a nasty scare which could temporarily impact negatively upon your confidence - or send you off to the hospital or the morgue.

I recall back when I started skiing (at the tender age of 20 mind you) I said to myself "What are you afraid of?" and threw myself down the slopes. Fortunately with skiing most of the times you stuff up you just get back up and at it. Some days I pushed the enveloped very hard - and sometimes it pushed back...

Quite a few people advocate practicing smoothness and the speed will come. If you push yourself outside the comfort zone by going hard on the throttle, hard on the brake, I doubt smoothness will come...