Picture size rules and limits

[Steam]

As I understand it now the limits on pictures are:

Maximum Picture Size: 640 x 480 pixels
Maximum Picture File Size: 100kb

I am wondering what's the point of having a maximum picture size?
I understand the limit on file size of course, it's hell for slow dialup users.

But if you have a 100kb photo sized 1024 pixels x 685 pixels, like the second one below, that's going to take exactly as long to load via dialup as the first one, also 100kb but sized 640 x 428 pixels.
Exactly the same load time, same file size.
So why the restriction on dimension?

Oh, this picture by the way is the handlebars and headlights of a particularly cool Survival Bike, seen in Bristol.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2393/2280120837_1854e48949_o.jpg

Heehee! The larger one was edited out. ahaha!

[Finn]

Steam, you're starting to get on my nerves again.

[skelstar]

Is it because the bike has 'anti-volvo' hand grenades?

Steam has a good point.

[Jantar]

File size is one thing, but that second image (now deleted) also mucks up the forum and is simply too large for many screens.

[skelstar]

...mucks up the forum and is simply too large for many screens.
You're kidding? Thats a reason why we can't have big images?

Well i suppose people are still using x8086's.

[edit]


People have to remember there is still alot of users who are stuck on dialup, and having huge pictures inside threads, when trying to find information can be very annoying.

Can't be any more annoying than not being able to see enough detail in a picture.

[NighthawkNZ]

Personally I think embedding images into a thread should be banned, KB has the function to upload and then you be the nice thumb nail...

Having 30 images download when you don't want them to downlaod is annoying and a waste of bandwidth, even on broadband. 30 @ 100kb is 3mb (even on broadband that can take a minute or so) those on dialup and there are more than a few, downloading 3mb can take 15minutes. Being embedded the all download at once. if they you use the upload feature users get to choose what image they wish to see, download, without choking there system.

The larger images ie;1024x768 (or what ever you have cropped it to) can upset the forum templates and can throw everything skewith...

The rules are so everybody can enjoy the site, not just a select few.

[Joni]

Personally I think embedding images into a thread should be banned, KB has the function to upload and then you be the nice thumb nail... We looked at banning them a while back, but decided it was not needed, however limiting the size was...

Personally I agree with you! :yes:

[Steam]

All right, thanks for the answers.
Seems fair enough, didn't realise people still had screens smaller than 1200 pixels.
Something will need to be done at some point regarding the total number of images in a thread, like the post today of the ride through Tophouse and the Rainbow, with heaps of pictures. Even if they had been the right size they still would have added up to a megabyte or so.
Because then soon you run into problems Nighthawk said two posts up.

If image embedding is ever banned, could we have the attached-image thumbnails a bit bigger?

[James Deuce]

Thumbnails are so PR0n.

[skidMark]

Bandwith is expensive, Spankme has to pay for it from his own pocket.

Not like anybody donates to him these days, yet we treat KB like it's some kind of democracy or something.

[Virago]

Have we still got people bleating about this?

There are a few problems caused by over-sized embedded images.

As mentioned frequently, there are many people still stuck on dial-up. Declaring those people to be be crusty peasants who need to get with the times, is unhelpful - not all members live in the cities, and can't get broadband.

All too often, ridiculously large images are embedded. I removed one image, which was a close-up of an exhaust modification, which was over three times screen width. It was so stupidly large, you could not see the image properly, as you could only view less than 10% of the image at a time.

Embedding images removes the choice of viewing the image. Thumbnails at least give that choice, often an important issue for those viewing from their place of work.

The 640 x 480 pixel size was considered to be a good compromise, which doesn't cause too many problems. If you want to post high-definition photos, upload them as thumbnails. Simple.

[James Deuce]

Have we still got people bleating about this?

There are a few problems caused by over-sized embedded images.

As mentioned frequently, there are many people still stuck on dial-up. Declaring those people to be be crusty peasants who need to get with the times, is unhelpful - not all members live in the cities, and can't get broadband.

All too often, ridiculously large images are embedded. I removed one image, which was a close-up of an exhaust modification, which was over three times screen width. It was so stupidly large, you could not see the image properly, as you could only view less than 10% of the image at a time.

Embedding images removes the choice of viewing the image. Thumbnails at least give that choice, often an important issue for those viewing from their place of work.

The 640 x 480 pixel size was considered to be a good compromise, which doesn't cause too many problems. If you want to post high-definition photos, upload them as thumbnails. Simple.

It's stone age attitudes like this one that make a mockery of the Internet being a useful multi-media delivery system. 640x480 is basically a 13" monitor. No one has one of those and if they do they probably still believe it's under warranty and that the Internet is a series of deadly, deadly tubes.

My rural dwelling mother-in-law has better ADSL speeds than I do and she is nearly 8kms from her exchange and on pair-shared feeds and crappy old cables.

Yes people are still complaining about it. It's silly and dictatorial and totally at odds with just about ant example of a basic PC and Internet connection available in NZ.

[NighthawkNZ]

It's stone age attitudes like this one that make a mockery of the Internet being a useful multi-media delivery system. 640x480 is basically a 13" monitor. No one has one of those and if they do they probably still believe it's under warranty and that the Internet is a series of deadly, deadly tubes.

Don't be so sure on that either, there are still heaps of people with old CRT monitors (and many of them are 14" monitor) heck I know of a couple of people still using DOS and Win3.11 on an old 386 adn 486, They have no requiriment to upgrade, and it meets their needs... They don't play gears, and with a minor upgrade of files they can surf the net, email, and write their letters and print them out... what more do they need...??? why spend 3 grand every couple of years for an upgrade.

The point is the though the rules are there so every one can experience the fun that KB is... :scooter:

[TerminalAddict]

Bandwith is expensive, Spankme has to pay for it from his own pocket.

Not like anybody donates to him these days, yet we treat KB like it's some kind of democracy or something.

expensive for you maybe .. kiwibiker is hosted in america, and goes on your international bandwidth meter :)

saves spank a truck load I bet :)

[RiderInBlack]

Personally I would be happier to only have Thumb Nails and then only open up the pics if I want to. Too many large pics take up to much screen space, leading too many pages ta wade through just ta read what is posted around them.

[doc]

Bandwith is expensive, Spankme has to pay for it from his own pocket.

Not like anybody donates to him these days, yet we treat KB like it's some kind of democracy or something.

Your off your meds again aren't you. It's worrying when you make a sensible post.

[Goblin]

Your off your meds again aren't you. It's worrying when you make a sensible post.No it's the full moon.:eek5:

[doc]

No it's the full moon.:eek5:

No that was a couple of days ago when he complained about an idot riding down his street. The moon has started to wane so he is starting to come down.

[Goblin]

Have a look out the window. Looks like a full :moon: to me.

[TerminalAddict]

Your off your meds again aren't you. It's worrying when you make a sensible post.

expensive bandwidth is limit to NZ .. read my earlier post ...

yawn !

[doc]

expensive bandwidth is limit to NZ .. read my earlier post ...

yawn !

Yes, no, maybe, can you repeat the question. I was looking out the window

[Zuki Bandit]

Very cool pic STEAM, just add some babies and a gun and it could be a Giga sculpture!

[Mom]

File size is one thing, but that second image (now deleted) also mucks up the forum and is simply too large for many screens.

Embedded images are a pain in the arse for me sometimes. Some are OK, but there are others that skew my view of the site! I need to use toggles to see posts if some smarty pants has imbedded a huge pic. Bores me shitless and 10/10 I stop attempting to read the thread. Not all of us can afford the latest and greatest in technology, I would suggest we are the majority not the minority, so thank you to the site admin for this rule.



If image embedding is ever banned, could we have the attached-image thumbnails a bit bigger?

No. Double click on them to see them clearer, dont be so lazy!

[NighthawkNZ]

... dont be so lazy!

:lol: my mom use to say that to me..

[Mom]

:lol: my mom use to say that to me..


What can I say :blip:

[Virago]

...My rural dwelling mother-in-law has better ADSL speeds than I do and she is nearly 8kms from her exchange and on pair-shared feeds and crappy old cables...

I'm delighted to learn that piece of complete irrelevance. What's her KB name?:spudwhat:

[Mental Trousers]

I'm just wondering what the point of this thread is, because it's not going to change anything so why was it even started when a pm would've gotten the answer.

[Steam]

I'm just wondering what the point of this thread is, because it's not going to change anything so why was it even started when a pm would've gotten the answer.

But then people wouldn't have had a chance to whine.
Also, I am attempting to resurrect one hot-button whiner issue every week for the rest of the year.:girlfight:

Hee hee! Nah, not really.:hug:

[Mental Trousers]

If you want people to have a whine just start a thread about skidmark. Or revive katman's look at me thread when it stops. Or talk about nuclear power ....

[Jantar]

I'm just wondering what the point of this thread is, because it's not going to change anything so why was it even started when a pm would've gotten the answer.


But then people wouldn't have had a chance to whine.....:hug:

I have no problem with this type of thread when the thread starter is genuinely trying to understand the purpose of a rule. Yes, it will attract some who just want to whinge at the moderators, but if there is one member who doesn't understand a rule there will also be others. :done:

[NighthawkNZ]

Yes, it will attract some who just want to whinge at the moderators...

I thought it was a lower flying circling jet, till I realised is was the whingers on KB ...

[NordieBoy]

No. Double click on them to see them clearer, dont be so lazy!

Single click...

Be lazy :D

[NordieBoy]

Bandwith is expensive, Spankme has to pay for it from his own pocket.

Attached pics come out of his pocket, embedded pics out of whom ever is hosting themses pocket.

I'd like to embed thmbnails in the text of a story/report and they link to a larger pic but that starts getting difficult...

[Steam]

I'd like to embed thmbnails in the text of a story/report and they link to a larger pic but that starts getting difficult...
I did that when I ran the Great KB Photo Comp a while ago, it wasn't very hard but you had to spend a few minutes setting it up, and practise how to do it.

[Jantar]

Attached pics come out of his pocket, embedded pics out of whom ever is hosting themses pocket.

I'd like to embed thmbnails in the text of a story/report and they link to a larger pic but that starts getting difficult...


I did that when I ran the Great KB Photo Comp a while ago, it wasn't very hard but you had to spend a few minutes setting it up, and practise how to do it.

Now that would be a great way to do it. How about starting a thread in Site Stuff, Jamie. You explain how to do it, and I'll sticky the thread. :2thumbsup

[Steam]

Now that would be a great way to do it. How about starting a thread in Site Stuff, Jamie. You explain how to do it, and I'll sticky the thread. :2thumbsup
If only it were that simple I would. But it only works with your own Flickr or Imagebucket-hosted images. I will have a look and a think anyway.

[NordieBoy]

Now that would be a great way to do it. How about starting a thread in Site Stuff, Jamie. You explain how to do it, and I'll sticky the thread. :2thumbsup

All it needs is the thumbnails and pics to be hosted. It's just a pain to set up the linking but once you do it a few times it's less of a problem.

Also there'd only be a few people who write the longer reports that would benefit from it.

[Big Dave]

The current size limit blows.
I would contribute more if embedded pics at 800 x 600 pixels were allowed.

As it is I embed them on ADV and send people there to look at them.
That is slower than embedding 1024s on here.

I only attach images of KBers that I'm happy to give up control of.
If I value a shot I embed it so I can also remove as easily.

Change the rules please.

[xwhatsit]

If only it were that simple I would. But it only works with your own Flickr or Imagebucket-hosted images. I will have a look and a think anyway.

You can do what I did here. Upload the images to your Kiwbiker Gallery (Quick Links->Site-stuff/Gallery), then use the thumbnails there (right-click, Copy Image Location) for embedding. Then select the image-embedding code, click on Insert Link, and enter the location for the full-sized image (click on image in gallery so it opens up in a new window, then right-click Copy Image Location).

No Flickr or anything else, no Attached Images cluttering up the bottom of your post (and restricting to 6 images at a time).

[sunhuntin]

Personally I would be happier to only have Thumb Nails and then only open up the pics if I want to. Too many large pics take up to much screen space, leading too many pages ta wade through just ta read what is posted around them.

id like to see youtube links avaliable as thumb links only as well, but as far as im aware, that doesnt work.

[merv]

I much prefer attachments - you can add them, delete them, do what you like, so Big Dave I'm not sure what you mean by you imbed them so you can remove them as easily.

To a viewer I prefer to see the thumbnails and only load up what I want to look at and then you don't have to put up with all the zubes that hit reply to the post and have them all displayed again making for very long threads with f'all in them.

:2thumbsup go the thumbnail :cool:

[Big Dave]

I much prefer attachments - you can add them, delete them, do what you like, so Big Dave I'm not sure what you mean by you imbed them so you can remove them as easily.

To a viewer I prefer to see the thumbnails and only load up what I want to look at and then you don't have to put up with all the zubes that hit reply to the post and have them all displayed again making for very long threads with f'all in them.

:2thumbsup go the thumbnail :cool:


No.

after a period of time you cannot delete uploaded images.
If i sell it - I need to be able to delete it.

The rules mean you don't see a lot of mine or Nordie's and other good photogs best stuff.

[NordieBoy]

No.

after a period of time you cannot delete uploaded images.
If i sell it - I need to be able to delete it.

Looks like it's set for 30 days.

[RantyDave]

640x480 is basically a 13" monitor.
Or about the size of a postcard on a modern screen, which is ideal. Any bigger it would fuck up the flow of the page. Larger pictures can be sent as an attachment. Regarding file sizes - we have enough of a shitfight getting people to adhere to resolutions. Anything more complicated is bad.

Dave

[Okey Dokey]

Disclaimer: I know next to nothing about thumbnails/attachments etc. This is the only forum I use on the net so may have taken some stuff for granted until I read this thread.

I am one of those dial-uppers who lives way out of town. 40Kbps average. No options available that make economic sense, as all I do is a couple emails a week and enjoy kb. I actually had to upgrade my ISP plan at some cost to allow for enough time to view kb when I decided to join and not just lurk! Not complaining- it was my choice and money well spent to participate and get some new features available to members.

A big THANK YOU to the site gods who have set the restrictions on size. I gather it annoys some folk out there, but I hope you can come to terms with doing the thumbnail thing. At least then I can have a peek and decide if it is worth 20 minutes of my paid limited time to look at one picture a bit larger. I think I have the option to set my controls so there are no pictures, but then I would miss out on a lot- wondering what a picture referred to in a post might be...

Anyway, those are my thoughts on the subject. Cheers.

[Big Dave]

Give us a separate section for high resolution photos then. Mudguards get their own pidgeon hole.

I bet Lots of people would enjoy it and if you haven't got broadband don't go in there.

[onearmedbandit]

No.

after a period of time you cannot delete uploaded images.
If i sell it - I need to be able to delete it.

The rules mean you don't see a lot of mine or Nordie's and other good photogs best stuff.

I know it's not the answer you are seeking Dave, but if you PM a mod they will be able to remove the pic for you. Something I would be happy to do just to be able to see more of your work.

[Big Dave]

OAB - Mr Trousers is amenable to the idea of a high res section.

I suggest it would be for embedded images mainly - thus saving overhead on KB space.

Merv - they are images that live on a separate place on the interweeb and are called up by KB pages - they are not actually on the KB server.

and limit it to 1600 pixels by convention.

[Big Dave]

We can also do layouts

http://web.mac.com/david_cohen_design/Site/Index/Entries/2007/10/9_Article%3A_Hints_for_Photographing_Motorcycles.h tml

[NighthawkNZ]

If th ephotos are to big to embedd into a KB thread, then why not just;

1. upload as an attachment to KB or...
2. simply provide a clickable link to the host with your photo album... then kb users can see all your photos... its not that difficult... and no different than adding the embedded link. http://www.quantumillusions.com/photo/index.php?twg_album=Nighthawk&twg_show=914116569_l.jpg

Embedding images just simply sux... and yes I am on broadband... and I find it annoying.

[Mental Trousers]

At the moment there isn't a way for Big Dave, Nordie etc to display their best stuff because they would have to surrender full control over the images to kb. No professional photographer will do that.

Discussions on a solution are underway (NOTE that it will be a solution for bike related material and not general, non-bike stuff).

As per usual, I favour any option that reduces the work load of the Moderators (the less Moderators have to do the less rules are having to be enforced).

[NighthawkNZ]

At the moment there isn't a way for Big Dave, Nordie etc to display their best stuff because they would have to surrender full control over the images to kb. No professional photographer will do that.

But as I said, give me a link to the photo and I still get to choose whether I wish to view it or not, one at a time, not embedding them all in a thread where I have to download 30 largish images in one hit... very annoying and should be outlawed on the net... :confused:

as soon as you up load an image to the interweb you loose control over the way it looks, the way people have there system setup, what browser they are using even the operating system, screen resolution, how old the monitor is... crt or lcd, and the list goes on... not to mention things like jpg compression, application they are using to veiw the image...

[Big Dave]

But as I said, give me a link to the photo and I still get to choose whether I wish to view it or not, one at a time, not embedding them all in a thread where I have to download 30 largish images in one hit... very annoying and should be outlawed on the net... :confused:
.

I am suggesting a place called 'large images' - it's for people with good computers and broadband.

This is my art - if you don't want to download them - don't go there. Simple.

However hundreds - literally hundreds - have told me they enjoy the way I do it on ADV and that is by embedding lots of 1024 x 768 jpegs.

[Big Dave]

Even if it was just a thread that the pictures were not moderator unlinked.

'Big Daves' 1024px picture thread.

'Nordies Big Picture thread.'

if it's clearly labeled with what is inside nobody can complain surely.

[Big Dave]

Not enough support to make this happen it seems.
No sweat.
Thank you Mr Pants anyways.

The rest of the word enjoys the ride and I shall point those interested:

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=287923&highlight=burt+munro

[Virago]

"Patience is a virtue..."

[Big Dave]

"Patience is a virtue..."

All good mate - result of some PM exchanges. No stress. Just have to point to thar.

[RiderInBlack]

Even if it was just a thread that the pictures were not moderator unlinked.

'Big Daves' 1024px picture thread.

'Nordies Big Picture thread.'

if it's clearly labeled with what is inside nobody can complain surely.Is that not what the KB Gallery for? Or does that not work for you?

[NordieBoy]

Is that not what the KB Gallery for? Or does that not work for you?

Uploading 4 photos at a time?
Just had a play and it's...
Painfull.

[RiderInBlack]

Uploading 4 photos at a time?
Just had a play and it's...
Painfull.
OK, don't use it much if all, so was just curious.

[NighthawkNZ]

Uploading 4 photos at a time?
Just had a play and it's...
Painfull.

You still have to upload them to to you other host... whats the difference...

As for painfull... just as pain download them all at once except its more usually than just 4...

But using the upload that way we can view them one at a time...

[Big Dave]

You still have to upload them to to you other host... whats the difference...



Control of our images.

I wanted somewhere where complainers don't have to worry about visiting.

[warewolf]

Nobody's forcing anyone to download any images. If you choose not to view the embedded images, then use YOUR browser settings to turn off automatic image downloading. Don't deny the rest of us that ability. If there is a thread with lots of images you don't want to see, don't read the thread!!!

In IE7, Tools, Internet Options, Advanced tab, Multimedia section, tick 'Show image download placeholders' and clear 'Show pictures'. If you are reading a photo-essay / magazine format post or thread, with automatic download of images off, should a particular caption etc catch your eye then you can right-click and choose Show Picture. I mean, don't all you people stuck with dial-up do this by default anyway???

Note you will also have to right-click & show picture on all the graphics on the site, just once - thereafter they will be in your cache and will show.

There are so many things wrong with the KB attachment system I don't know where to start.

[warewolf]

You still have to upload them to to you other host... whats the difference...They're usually designed with ease-of-use in mind, and usually offer bulk-uploading systems.

[Goblin]

In IE7, Tools, Internet Options, Advanced tab, Multimedia section, tick 'Show image download placeholders' and clear 'Show pictures'. If you are reading a photo-essay / magazine format post or thread, with automatic download of images off, should a particular caption etc catch your eye then you can right-click and choose Show Picture. I mean, don't all you people stuck with dial-up do this by default anyway???
:confused: Ummm...no. I just dont bother clicking on threads that start with imbeded image or youtube codes. But thanks for the tip!:niceone:

[NighthawkNZ]

Nobody's forcing anyone to download any images. If you choose not to view the embedded images, then use YOUR browser settings to turn off automatic image downloading. Don't deny the rest of us that ability. If there is a thread with lots of images you don't want to see, don't read the thread!!!
.

Thats the point the... Big Dave is a great photographer. I wish to see some of the photos... (but 1 at a time... and I choose which ones and when) not being force feed the lot at once...

However when you embed them you are force to download all embedded images at once... and if there are 30 on that thread thats annoying (if following site rules 100kb each thats 3mb bottlenecking mys server and I simply move on I don't have the attention span to wait to download anyway :doh: but would most like view them all one at a time.

No need show how to block stuff using IE etc... for a start I use Firefox with a few handy plugins that block a lot crap on the net :clap:


Control of our images.
Being a graphic artist I have files as large as 300mb (and video files tha are 4gig I wish I could show at full res on the net but I can't the technology is simply not available to do so as of yet... and yes control of your image is important... the correct contrast and clarity etc... (lets hope they have all the same system, monitor and settings as you

Uploading to the gallery you can upload larger images anyway than the embeded method. jpg 768kb vs 100kb with embedding. With the gallery you are allow 6 images per post. At the end of the day meaning the gallery you have a higher grade image...

think about it say you were allowed to have your large embedding... how many per thread would do... 30 at 768kb each, 28 odd mb to downloading at once... even on Broadband I wouldn't bother... Just because BB is quicker you are only as fast as the slowest link and slowest server you pase through...

On average if people have to wait for more that (x period of time) with random browsing them simply move on to the next site... I hate flash websites that I have to wait for it to download (I simply block them... including them stupid joke cartoon animation things) I hate being force to download music file when entering a site... I simple block that to

I want to see your photos... at my pace, not clogging my system (especially when the other half is trying to view something else on her system most like porn :doh: :crazy:) Thats why there are the various photo gallerys available


They're usually designed with ease-of-use in mind, and usually offer bulk-uploading systems.
KB allows 6 images per post... Yes the gallery I use on my sites I can ftp a whole directory (and it doesn't use a MySQL database) so less chance of corruption

I suppose if KB had a SLURP feature that would be kewl...

[Big Dave]

Thats the point the... Big Dave is a great photographer. I wish to see some of the photos... (but 1 at a time... and I choose which ones and when) not being force feed the lot at once...

Happy to give KBers shots of themselves on KB the KB way.


For most artists it's on my terms or not at all. I display to a standard and in a format. For an article or feature the KB way doesn't meet it. Part of the 'thing' is the layout. Marrying words and pictures.

These are about half the comments from 6months worth of postings only - done my way (embedded) elsewhere:



Damn you have some talent!! Fantastic photos.

Feel free to post many more

Enjoyed those over my brekkie! Thanks!

This is Fantastic! Thanks for sharing, looks like an awesome event.

I like your nightshots very much. Any data availlable like shutter speed, camera/lense or what ever might be interesting for someone who'd like to copy that....?

Great pics, Danger Dave......couple of questions, if I may?

Great shots, you've a teriffic eye

Nice. Used to daydream about riding one of those.

hey - great pics as always Dave. Gosh that man Stretch is the man eh - great wheelies. Good to see 4Skins and NZGSer representing Wellywood.

Once more, congrat's on your excellent photography

Nice work - what software are you using to produce the photostory ?

Excellent Pics DangerDave!

Great report. Just bought a Uly and love it. You have some great pictures.

Nice job you have there.
I read the brief story in Two Wheels.
Yours is much better

Brilliant stuff Dave! Pics and story!

superb x10

Great pictures!
For us wannabe photographers, what are you using?

Fantastic! More More!

Wow. Screw America. I'm moving in.

you've got a knack for taking great night shots. nice job!

DangerDave,
Great Post! What a life you live!

Another beauty, Dave!

Great pics. Love the sunset or is it sunrise? It's my new desktop. What is the location?

Great pics.

Awesome shots. What camera and lens did you use?

Glad this one came up, I must have missed it the first time.

Nice write-up, Dave!!

Super stuff DDave!

Great writeup and amazing pics, DD..many thanks

Well done!

Very nice pictures and report, thanks. Awesome country there.

Man...you do some cool stuff... :-)

My favorite, if I had to pick just one!
Great pics!

Great pictures...Now i have to get serious about planning to go there for my dream ride

Great stuff. Thanks!

I've always wanted to see New Zealand. Thanks. Now I want to pack my suitcases and ride with you nutcases.

FANTASTIC IMAGES.....THANK'S

We salute you in return Thanks for the superb pics and report

Nice pictures man. Yet another place to add to my "Places to See" list.

Nice report dave.

excellent thread, love the movie

Hey I reallly enjoyed that. nice pix, good story beautifully told.

Thanks for the great pictures. Never thought about putting my VMAX on the dirt HUM?

Great pics and Burt's is a great story. Thanks for sharing!

Great thread Dave, how do you get an invitation to look at the trucks. I will be down there in January. That

A most excellent report!

That's superb,thanks from an old Invercargill guy.

Those are some amzing pictures!

DD-cool pics! looks like you should have some advert bucks coming yer way...

Great coverage!

Dave, you rock. What a cool thing to do.

Great pix, Dave!

Very cool stuff, as usual for the danger man. Thanks beaucoup for sharing Dave.

Good Stuff! If we ever get to meet in person, your first drink is on me.

Great story AND great pictures!
Good job Dave.

Thanks for sharing the pics.

Pure class, Dave!

Always like your threads Dave!

That looked to be a GREAT time!
Damn I feel the need for a road trip.
Thanks for sharing!

awesome shots! Love those flat track bikes. Who needs brakes?

Excellent thread Dave. I wen't to see the movie with my girlfriend and the story is great. Burt is one of those people you must admire, for living his dream. Thanks for sharing, and the pics of old Indians, BSA-as the museum, everything was very amusing

great pics!!

Dave, if you fell in a tank of crap it'd turn to jam before you hit the surface!

Thanks for posting!
Amazing pics.... One day I plan on getting to see them in person.

Nice pictures and report, thanks for sharing!
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I don't cater to your tastes in this matter Mr Nighthawk. Too many people diggin' it - I could collect a thousand such endorsements.
So I reiterate that is why I wanted a separate place for such shenannegans.
And I'd include flash movies. :-P

Anyway - it's all cool. free stuff and i have a work around.

[onearmedbandit]

Yeah but do people really like them?

[Big Dave]

Yeah but do people really like them?


Ego problems you say?

[NordieBoy]

You still have to upload them to to you other host... whats the difference...

Highlight, drag, drop - 400Mb of photos off the the States.

[NighthawkNZ]

Highlight, drag, drop - 400Mb of photos off the the States.

yeah and...


god 4 you... sorry I am out of medals. I wouldnt have time to view 400 MB of photos

[limbimtimwim]

Too bad if you are on dialup or your screen is small.

The world can't wait for you. If the world keeps waiting for you, it'll never move on to bigger and better things.

It's like asking for the motorway to run at 70km/h because that is as fast as your old Austin goes.

[RiderInBlack]

yeah and...


god 4 you... sorry I am out of medals. I wouldnt have time to view 400 MB of photosAnd would use too much of my data cap (2GB/month, I can't afford to go cap-less).

[NordieBoy]

I wouldnt have time to view 400 MB of photos

You start with 1-2000 photos off the camera after a day of shooting and after editing are down to 2-300.
That's around 5 mins each to edit...
Of those 4-5 may be really good and 1 or 2 standouts, maybe, if you're lucky and didn't forget you'd set the exposure compensation to -1 earlier for that sweet black bike :spanking:

And I only do this for fun :lol:

People just don't understand us sensitive artistic types eh Dave.

:BUUURRRPPP!:
Ahhh, that's better.

[NordieBoy]

And would use too much of my data cap (2GB/month, I can't afford to go cap-less).

Neither can I. It covers the bald spot.

People would point and laugh and I would be forced to kill them and eat their brains.

But I've promised to lay off the junk food so the cap remains.

[Big Dave]

yeah and...


god 4 you... sorry I am out of medals. I wouldnt have time to view 400 MB of photos

What part of 'if you don't like it - don't go there' don't you get?

[RiderInBlack]

Neither can I. It covers the bald spot.

People would point and laugh.
Shave ya head so ya don't look like Krunchie The Clown then. Stops the pointing and laughing:bleh: