Excluding based on sex...

[cowboyz]

as requested by madduck to take this to another thread. here be it.

More and more often I see woman organising "woman only events" to the determent of men.

started because in another thread madduck suggested there was a secret organisation for womans trackdays. I think it is unfair and stupid to exclude one or the other on the excuse that woman would feel more comfortable without men around.

example. Lets say you setup a woman only trackday so the woman can run round the track without feeling threatened by males on the track.
Then Flame shows up? Is she excluded because she may be quicker than someone else? Why would it be ok for her to be on the track passing other girls and not a guy?
What about girls only rides? I stayed out of it when it was suggested before because again, I think it is just plain dumb. Is the incinuation (sp?) that girls are not as good as guys so they dont want guys around to threaten them or that girls are better than guys so dont want guys around to hold you up?
Side point, as I am in the golfing industry you see it all the time. The week is pretty structured like this.
Mon - open day. Anyone can play.
Tues - vets. over 50 have first choice of tee times. Except woman get 2 hours reserved where only woman can tee off. Woman can also tee off any other time.
Wed Ladies day. Woman have tees reserved for 4 hours. No men are allowed to tee off during this time.
Thurs - club day. anyone can play but woman have reserved tees for 2 hours. Woman can tee off anytime but men have to tee off outside of the reserved times
Fri open day. anyone can play.
Sat - club day. Strictly one tee start (means you HAVE to tee off tee 1 and play the course 1 through 18) except if you are a woman and then you can tee off 4 or 10 to get ahead of the field if you wish.
Sun open day. Anyone can tee off at any time.


Equality? Why are woman wanting to bring themselves down to be equal to men?

[Kendog]

Remember this? (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=44505)

It's a topic that comes up often. Girls like to ride with other girls with out guys.
Big deal!

[Ocean1]

Leave it dude, why shouldn't they. Don't you organise rides with people who you've got things in common with? And maybe they get pissed off with the occasional riding agro from us eh?

I am still pissed, however, that Contours Gym keeps rejecting my applications...

[JimO]

are you even allowed to have a men only gym

[98tls]

Personally i find riding with women distracting,instead of enjoying the ride i would rather tuck in behind and:argh::Oops:

[Trudes]

Fucked if I know Cowboyz. I don't mind doing things with the guys, fine by me, but seeing something in the biking world that advertises "ladies ride/day/etc etc", makes me automatically think "sweet, there won't be a huge testosterone filled crowd, people smelling of perfume instead of fart".

As for the chicks rides, I continued to organise these at request by other chicks, and enjoy them myself as something different. I believe the gals are likely to get out and ride on these mainly because we often don't meet many other chicks riding during the weekends. I would say on an average Saturday or Sunday ride around the 'Rapa, I would see maybe one or two other chicks at the "bike gathering areas" that actually ride their own bikes, to maybe thirty odd guys, so it's a novelty, and I think this is the reason why chicks enjoy the odd chick ride, it's not exactly meant to exclude the guys, as many turn up anyway, but more to encourage the girls to gather and ride and gossip, it's a novelty.

[gijoe1313]

This thread is useless without pics :oi-grr:

[Livvy]

It's like girls will go to the toilet together but men never will. It's a fact of life. Personally, as a chick, I don't give a damn, and I prefer to take a piss without someone standing outside the cubicle door too.

I mostly hang out with guys, so when I get up and riding, I'll be doing it mostly with guys.

[hazard02]

are you even allowed to have a men only gym

I imagine you could, there's already bars like this if you know what I mean. :blip:

[FJRider]

Being a "free" country, men AND women can ride with whoever they like, whenever they like. "LADIES" day at golf is different to "LADIES" day at Manfield... isn't it ??? Dont ya just love watching women doing things with other women ???

[Mom]

It's like girls will go to the toilet together but men never will. It's a fact of life. Personally, as a chick, I don't give a damn, and I prefer to take a piss without someone standing outside the cubicle door too.

I mostly hang out with guys, so when I get up and riding, I'll be doing it mostly with guys.

I have never understood why females want to talk while taking a piss or dump. Personally, I am a do the biz and get out of there kind of gal! (I always wash my hands though!)

There are times I prefer male company, work being one of those times, God save me from women sometimes!

There are times I prefer female company, I am not a girly girl (sorry GG :dodge:) but I love my female friends.

Going for a ride out, dont care! If you dont like the speed I ride at, piss off and ride somewhere else! I guess I can see how some chicks whould be inhibited by the testosterone, my advice, ignore it, and discover it is not as bad as you think it is.

[Trudes]

I mostly hang out with guys, so when I get up and riding, I'll be doing it mostly with guys.

Believe me, you probably won't get much choice in the matter. :(
Luckily here in Welly there are quite a few gals that ride, some of them VERY well, so it's nice to have a bit of a change from the guys and their constant dick measuring... I mean chicken strip comparisons.:blink:

[Coyote]

Equality? Why are woman wanting to bring themselves down to be equal to men?
True feminists (the guy hating types) don't want to be equal, they want to be equal when it suits them. Equal pay, yes. Equal child custody, no.

Let them have their own rides, that's no problem. But it's a bit shitty they can have a whole venue, such as a racetrack, reserved for themselves and leaving us out of it, especially if it can be one of the few chances some guys can get to the track. Maybe a race for just girls on the trackday possibly.

Can't say I'm too keen on 'men only' whatever in retaliation.

[98tls]

It's like girls will go to the toilet together but men never will. To be honest ive never wanted to go to the toilet with another bloke.Why would i want to?:oi-grr:

[MadDuck]

More and more often I see woman organising "woman only events" to the determent of men.


Its OK there is NO secret womens club. I am sure Scummy will allay your fears.

I just didnt want the thread going off on a tangent and digressing from what was being said. Mr Cowboyz....question for you....have you ever been on a track where you said OK I am going in the slow group. Then Skidmark turns up..... I HAVE!. And dammit I dont want to be on a track with over testerone boys thinking they own the world ......

[Hitcher]

Repost....

[Livvy]

... There are times I prefer male company, work being one of those times, God save me from women sometimes!

There are times I prefer female company, I am not a girly girl (sorry GG :dodge:) but I love my female friends.

Going for a ride out, dont care! If you dont like the speed I ride at, piss off and ride somewhere else! I guess I can see how some chicks whould be inhibited by the testosterone, my advice, ignore it, and discover it is not as bad as you think it is.

You and I could be best friends. :love:


Believe me, you probably won't get much choice in the matter. :(
Luckily here in Welly there are quite a few gals that ride, some of them VERY well, so it's nice to have a bit of a change from the guys and their constant dick measuring... I mean chicken strip comparisons.:blink:

Oh yeah, of course. Chicken strip comparisons. Sure. I know what you mean. :shifty:


True feminists (the guy hating types) don't want to be equal, they want to be equal when it suits them. Equal pay, yes. Equal child custody, no.

It's true. Myself, I judge myself against a person when I know them. If I like who they are as a person, then they're my equal. If they don't, they're not - doesn't matter what gender they are.


To be honest ive never wanted to go to the toilet with another bloke.Why would i want to?:oi-grr:

That's my point, why would you want to? We're not exactly living in the fifteenth century any more, we have private cubicles for a reason.

[Trudes]

I have never understood why females want to talk while taking a piss or dump. Personally, I am a do the biz and get out of there kind of gal! (I always wash my hands though!)



Awww Mom, you know it's got nothing to do with the wee wees, it's all about the bitching and backstabbing of the others sitting back at the table!!

[MadDuck]

Repost....

It is? This stemmed from a thrashing of Tonys trackdays. Hell need to take more notice

[oscarnz]

Well me personally would rather ride with both guys and girls. Yes Cowboyz I understand where you are coming from, and dont see the point in Girl Only rides.

I am sure the rest of the Manawatu girls would agree with me, that we have lots of fun on our rides with you guys being there.

[Grub]

As for the chicks rides, I continued to organise these at request by other chicks, .

And nothing wrong with that at all ... they just can't be chicks only rides ... all's sweet.

[MadDuck]

Girl only rides have there place ...like bloke only rides. Lets agree to disagree.

And quite frankly Hitcher dont give a dam if its a repost

[chanceyy]

hmm we have never had a girls only ride in palmy:doh:

.. but with all the girls who are riding bikes now perhaps we should :yes:

ohh but wait we still do the catch up thing & go to toilets in pairs on the group rides ... so wots the difference :Pokey:.. if we did organise a girlz ride the boyz would come anyway so it would essentially be a group ride :killingme

[Trudes]

And nothing wrong with that at all ... they just can't be chicks only rides ... all's sweet.

OK, I'll bite. Do tell, why not? I'm not charging money, so how am I breaking the law?

Oh and don't worry, we organise them quietly now, so we don't have to call the Waaaambulance for the guys who get all weepy about the girls going out for a ride and not staying home to do the washing.:msn-wink:

[McDuck]

Well i am a little put out by the fact that these rides are strictly girls only, i would understand a open to anybody who obays a list of rules, no bad smelling, any other things girls dont like etc but i guess i will live on not going on a girls only ride, after all while dont tell any guys on here i know how to use an iron, and i sort of own one to. And use it when i need to. so just dont tell them k?

[Jantar]

If the girls really want a "girls only" it is quite simple to organise and no guys will want to turn up.

Ride to Town A for a tupperware party, carry on to Town B for a makeup party, go to Town C for a jewelery party, then return to your start point for a babyware party. Include a naughty nighty party if you want to swamped by the guys. :dodge:

[Bullitt]

Just typical PC world. Women are equal when it suits them.

I dont agree with women only anything however theyre a fact of life. Theres plenty of other PC battles I might (but probably wont) win before I fight that.

[Trudes]

The question is mcduck5n, why do you want to go so badly???

[Bullitt]

Oh I have seen worse things on another forum too. Once youd been on the forum enough to prove you were actually a female you got given access to a forum similar to the Biker Angels one here except the guys couldnt even view it.

[McDuck]

It is not so much i want to go on this one ride baddly, i want to go on rides with as many people as i can that will ride safely. I have found that a girl is a lot more likely to ride safely.... because that is the way they are...

[MadDuck]

And nothing wrong with that at all ... they just can't be chicks only rides ... all's sweet.
Ha....I think they just dont get it

[Trudes]

It is not so much i want to go on this one ride baddly, i want to go on rides with as many people as i can that will ride safely. I have found that a girl is a lot more likely to ride safely.... because that is the way they are...

And there in lies one of the reasons a lot of chicks like to do group rides with other chicks. Thanks.

[McDuck]

And there in lies one of the reasons a lot of chicks like to do group rides with other chicks. Thanks.

So wouldnt it be more to the point to say that anybody who want to come can but no dangerous riding will be tolerated?

[Slingshot]

If you have a problem with women only rides start organising men only rides. It's really not that much of a big deal, what are you missing out on??

The golf thing is different, I don't think it's fair that women get special treatment but the same goes for Maoris, homosexuals, the elderly, beneficiaries and pretty much every group in society. Either be bitter, or enjoy life.

[Grub]

OK, I'll bite. Do tell, why not? I'm not charging money, so how am I breaking the law?:

It's a moot point in that case anyway because nobody is really going to get their knickers in a knot about a private event but if men are excluded from a publicised event then that is against the Human Rights Act.

It's actually a horrid piece of legislation but the Wimmins Movement took militant action for over a decade to get it enacted ... and ironically now it is women who want to do gender-specific events.

You no longer see anything "men-only". Just a reminder of how abhorent the double-standards is, two years ago it was front page and lead story on the evening news that women were Outraged at the men's bunkroom at the Waikeremoana Fishing Club. The Human Rights Commissioner himself was called to account, comment and justify on this outrageous situation and to explain immediately what he was going to do about it.

Look below the surface and you found out that it was 12 bunks with a no-partitioned toilet in the corner. Not the sights and smells anyone should be exposed to! Right next to the 'mens' bunkroom was the family bunkroom with appropriate bedding and ablutions

Women got the legislation they asked for, it's not at all unreasonable to expect them to abide by it. And don't get me started on th "Configure Gym for Women"!

[McDuck]

If you have a problem with women only rides start organising men only rides. It's really not that much of a big deal, what are you missing out on??

The golf thing is different, I don't think it's fair that women get special treatment but the same goes for Maoris, homosexuals, the elderly, beneficiaries and pretty much every group in society. Either be bitter, or enjoy life.

but i am not going to organise a men only ride because i want to ride with as many different people as i can (that i trust can ride safely).


But if it is a ride as part of a girls event i dont have a problem, like the makeup idea said earlier in the thread.

[Trudes]

So wouldnt it be more to the point to say that anybody who want to come can but no dangerous riding will be tolerated?

haha, good luck with that!! We had a ride for newbies not so long ago, and admittedly, only 2 L platers turned up, but the point of the ride was meant to be slow and safe.... HA!!!! I saw some really good riding from folks who were told there was to be no "nonsense"! Funny how some people's riding gets very fast and competitive without meaning to.

[quallman1234]

haha, good luck with that!! We had a ride for newbies not so long ago, and admittedly, only 2 L platers turned up, but the point of the ride was meant to be slow and safe.... HA!!!! I saw some really good riding from folks who were told there was to be no "nonsense"! Funny how some people's riding gets very fast and competitive without meaning to.

As long as they are at the front and there's someone looking after the newbies at the back and a meeting point then whats the problem?

This happens all the time on the "Criusy" wednesday night ride.

[McDuck]

haha, good luck with that!! We had a ride for newbies not so long ago, and admittedly, only 2 L platers turned up, but the point of the ride was meant to be slow and safe.... HA!!!! I saw some really good riding from folks who were told there was to be no "nonsense"! Funny how some people's riding gets very fast and competitive without meaning to.

The trick is you have a very scary person incharge...

[MadDuck]

OK so maybe i am off...why do blokes riding find us as such a threat.

[Grub]

OK so maybe i am off...why do blokes riding find us as such a threat.

Why do women think of men as such a threat they have to exclude them?

[McDuck]

OK so maybe i am off...why do blokes riding find us as such a threat.

You dont get it, we do not see you as a threat and untill this chages you will have problems. We want to join in becasue these rides are fun controled safe enviroments.



or at least that is why i want to join in.

[Big Dave]

This thread is useless without pics :oi-grr:

:stupid::pinch::rolleyes:

[Trudes]

I agree that some shit has been taken too far, the golf thing for instance, but it is probably retaliation for the years of women not even being allowed on the course (and until recently I believe, some golf courses still did this).
Anyway, it's bed time, work in the morning, night night people.

[Trudes]

As long as they are at the front and there's someone looking after the newbies at the back and a meeting point then whats the problem?

This happens all the time on the "Criusy" wednesday night ride.

The entire point of the ride was for newbies to learn from others....... not see them disappear into the distance, and everyone knew it. That's the point.

[Ocean1]

Women got the legislation they asked for, it's not at all unreasonable to expect them to abide by it. And don't get me started on th "Configure Gym for Women"!

And bleating about it is every bit as pointless as the outraged angst that produced the legislation in the first place.

We're different. We like to do things differently. Sometimes to the exclusion of the other sex. Get used to it, it's what we are, it's not going to change.

If you want to make a stand then start a male-only "gentlemens club" similar to those that existed just a couple of decades ago. It'd be fun. I'll help.

[MadDuck]

Why do women think of men as such a threat they have to exclude them?

Its not about excluding men. Its about beimg around other bikers that are in the same space as us......you have so missed my point

[Grub]

If you want to make a stand then start a male-only "gentlemens club" similar to those that existed just a couple of decades ago. It'd be fun. I'll help.

It wouldn't last a week ... the feminazis would have your knackers so you would have to make it a genderless club :)

[Grub]

Its not about excluding men. Its about beimg around other bikers that are in the same space as us......you have so missed my point

FFS ... that's what men were saying when all of the men-only institutions were being taken to Court. They all lost their cases too by the way. You have so missed the point!

[MadDuck]

Hey I dont know whats going on in your life ...just like you have taken no time in your life to get to know me.

I dont deserve your damnation ...or your cursing

[Bullitt]

The golf thing is different, I don't think it's fair that women get special treatment but the same goes for Maoris, homosexuals, the elderly, beneficiaries and pretty much every group in society.

Except Im a white mid 20s straight NZ European whose ancestors have been here for generations. Theres no group that panders to me:confused:

A good example is yesterdays TCWNR. There was a heap of different abilities there from people on L plates to litre sports bikes. Obviously people were riding at different speeds but we made sure someone was an organised tail end charlie (thanks Grub:Punk:). There were still people for the newbies to follow and when we got to the tin hut everyone could talk about anything irrespective of how quickly they got there.

[Ocean1]

It wouldn't last a week ... the feminazis would have your knackers so you would have to make it a genderless club :)

Like I said, fun. If you feel that strongly about it why would you not stand up for your rights?

As for girls-only rides? Good on 'em, no different than any other type of girls day out.

[Grub]

Like I said, fun.

No knackers = genderless ... was supposed to be funny - oh well

[Deano]

I think it is unfair and stupid to exclude one or the other on the excuse that woman would feel more comfortable without men around.



A bit like the Gixxer only track days, cause of course *they* feel more comfortable without any CBR's around !!

Especially from 2008 on.....:rofl:

[Disco Dan]

Women will always want to have an outlet that is 'female only' to exclude men... makes em feel "speshel" ...men will continue to feel threatened by this, some making their own "speshel" 'men only' outlet in order to piss women off, others will bleat on about 'equality'.

Either way... there are women that feel they are somehow 'better' than men and feel the need for their own 'groups'. There are women that feel threatened by male 'dominant egos' - read "natural genetic disagreement towards males due to social stimuli".

Girls... go make your own group!!! go on!!! ...then I can show up and be the only guy... :devil:

Guys... sounds like the modern white/black scenario here. Lets just gas all the woman in large concrete rooms made to look like showers and get it over with... thinking about the consequences later... :baby:




.....jeeeeeesh ! :Pokey:

[Ocean1]

Except Im a white mid 20s straight NZ European whose ancestors have been here for generations.

So, not middle aged then? <_<

[quallman1234]

Except Im a white mid 20s straight NZ European whose ancestors have been here for generations. Theres no group that panders to me:confused:

A good example is yesterdays TCWNR. There was a heap of different abilities there from people on L plates to litre sports bikes. Obviously people were riding at different speeds but we made sure someone was an organised tail end charlie (thanks Grub:Punk:). There were still people for the newbies to follow and when we got to the tin hut everyone could talk about anything irrespective of how quickly they got there.

Excatly my point as long as the newbies are well catered for at the back (heck im happy to help out and have done before and im sure 90% of the people are happy to help out) then i don't see whats wrong if the slightly faster guys/girls criuse a bit faster. If everyone takes off and leaves newbies with one or two people for like 5 newbies then this is a different case all together!

P.s this is becoming a very wellington based thread ;).

[Bullitt]

So, not middle aged then? <_<
I suspect theres some people here who wouldnt agree with calling myself middle aged at 24 :dodge: Neither gives you any ability to be anti-discriminated against though.

hmm Im sure theres a better word than anti-discriminated:nono:

[MadDuck]

Women will always want to have an outlet that is 'female only' to exclude men... makes em feel "speshel" ...men will continue to feel threatened by this, some making their own "speshel" 'men only' outlet in order to piss women off, others will bleat on about 'equality'.

Either way... there are women that feel they are somehow 'better' than men and feel the need for their own 'groups'. There are women that feel threatened by male 'dominant egos' - read "natural genetic disagreement towards males due to social stimuli".

Girls... go make your own group!!! go on!!! ...then I can show up and be the only guy... :devil:

Guys... sounds like the modern white/black scenario here. Lets just gas all the woman in large concrete rooms made to look like showers and get it over with... thinking about the consequences later... :baby:




.....jeeeeeesh ! :Pokey:

oh yes you are some 20 summit needs to to get a life .....thanks for the advise

[Jiminy]

Not sure why this is such a big deal. Every minority wants a bit of time together every now and then. And women riders sure are a minority amongst bikers.

If 90% of bikers were women, then we would be organising men-only rides every now and then, just the same (and ladies would be moaning about it, just the same). Women-only rides barely have any impact on blokes chances of group riding, but if MOST of the rides involving guys were men-only, there wouldn't be many women riding anymore.

I don't see it as a women against men thing, even less a PC thing. After all, aren't there hogs-only rides? Or sport bikes only track days?

Let the ladies ride on their own from time to time. That might encourage more ladies to ride and later join our rides. Myself, I'd love to see a more balanced population amongst bikers.

[Finn]

Several reasons why us blokes shouldn't really care about a woman's only KB ride...

1. Hours upon hours of phones calls the night before... "What are you going to wear? Where are we going to eat? Make sure you don't talk to that bitch, you know the one bla, bla, bla.

2. Ride starts at 10:00am but of course EVERYBODY IS FRIGGEN LATE!!!

3. Right, finally when everybody is present they continue to talk for two hours about absolutely nothing. Just as they are ready to leave they realise they better get gas. Some of them need help with this.

4. 1:45pm, they depart. Riding down the motorway, some commuters confuse them for a funeral procession because of their lack of speed and the fact that most motorcycles lights are always on. Others think they are a ladies motorcycle gang evident by all the "L" symbols.

5. 2:00pm and only half of them arrive at their destination. The others got lost. They don't seem to realise this as they are too excited to be at the Mall.

6. 2:00pm - onwards - 2,780 txts later, they track down their missing friends.

7. 5:00pm - The shopping is over and they all have to hurry home to catch up on the housework they missed out on.

8. 5:30 pm onwards - record numbers of txts about what an amazing ride. We should do it again...

:innocent:

[Jiminy]

Side point, as I am in the golfing industry you see it all the time. The week is pretty structured like this.
(...)


Sounds nothing more to me than most marketing campaigns based on age, sex, social group, origin, citizenship, and so forth. Unfair in a way, but at least there might be more ladies around, which might be a good thing.


FFS ... that's what men were saying when all of the men-only institutions were being taken to Court. They all lost their cases too by the way. You have so missed the point!

If a few blokes were to organise a men-only ride, and this stays an exception (as in: ladies still have plenty of rides to join), then I would qualify any application of the Human Rights Act against it as a PC feminist extremist stupid action. I'm just worried that there might be some people stupid enough to initiate such an action against the rides.


Repost....

Ahem, I already fear the day I will have been on this site for so long that I'll recognise all the new posts like if they had been written in the good ol' days :). Obviously, there was still a fair amount of debate that needed to be exposed...


P.s this is becoming a very wellington based thread ;).

Is that because we are used to debate about political matters? :)

[cowboyz]

True feminists (the guy hating types) don't want to be equal, they want to be equal when it suits them. Equal pay, yes. Equal child custody, no.

Let them have their own rides, that's no problem. But it's a bit shitty they can have a whole venue, such as a racetrack, reserved for themselves and leaving us out of it, especially if it can be one of the few chances some guys can get to the track. Maybe a race for just girls on the trackday possibly.

Can't say I'm too keen on 'men only' whatever in retaliation.
ok. women organising woman only rides on the road doesnt really bother me I wouldnt show up to make a point. Plenty of other roads that are readily availiable to ride. But taking up a trackday, is a different story.


Its OK there is NO secret womens club. I am sure Scummy will allay your fears.

I just didnt want the thread going off on a tangent and digressing from what was being said. Mr Cowboyz....question for you....have you ever been on a track where you said OK I am going in the slow group. Then Skidmark turns up..... I HAVE!. And dammit I dont want to be on a track with over testerone boys thinking they own the world ......

ok. I understand what you are saying but dont understand why it is gender specific. A recent trackday there was a couple of "faster" riders carving up the slow group. They got a slap on the hand and it was all good after that. There were men and woman on the track at the time. All of the men who were behaving themselves and enjoying the track were behaving themselves and enjoying the track.


It is not so much i want to go on this one ride baddly, i want to go on rides with as many people as i can that will ride safely. I have found that a girl is a lot more likely to ride safely.... because that is the way they are...
completely disagree. I have spat the dummy at both woman and men who have ridden dangerously around me. The notion that girls are more likely to ride safely because they are girls is offensive and just plain arrogant.


A bit like the Gixxer only track days, cause of course *they* feel more comfortable without any CBR's around !!

Especially from 2008 on.....:rofl:

Hmmmmmmmm...... Let me see. Suzuki trackdays, yamaha trackdays, womans trackdays...... As a guy on a kwaka I arent doing too well here.

NB: The zooki and yammy trackdays do not EXCLUDE other bikes. You just have to pay more and understandably so as the company sponsering the event.


Not sure why this is such a big deal. Every minority wants a bit of time together every now and then. And women riders sure are a minority amongst bikers.

If 90% of bikers were women, then we would be organising men-only rides every now and then, just the same (and ladies would be moaning about it, just the same). Women-only rides barely have any impact on blokes chances of group riding, but if MOST of the rides involving guys were men-only, there wouldn't be many women riding anymore.

I don't see it as a women against men thing, even less a PC thing. After all, aren't there hogs-only rides? Or sport bikes only track days?

Let the ladies ride on their own from time to time. That might encourage more ladies to ride and later join our rides. Myself, I'd love to see a more balanced population amongst bikers.

As I said above, I have no problem with woman getting together, or any like-minded people getting together to decide to ride together on the road. You are not excluding anyone in the process really as anyone can go ride another road. Taking up a trackday reserved just for woman is stupid because no one has answered my original question.
IF there were to be a girl only trackday to make girls feel safer on the track would there be exclusion for girls who are fast? Or would the girls who are slow be excluded because it would make the fast girls uncomfortable holding them up?

[CookMySock]

You dont get it, we do not see you as a threat and untill this chages you will have problems. [....]Zactly!

DB

[CookMySock]

I would feel very hurt indeed if I turned up to join in a "ladies ride" and I was taken aside and told politely "no men, sorry." There would be more than a single tear shed on my back home, solo. It is unlikely I would repeat such a "mistake."

I'm really surprised about the animosity in this thread.

Girls, I don't think boys would like to come along to do "some girl thing", if thats what the point of the ride is, but if its just a "ride" then the boys must be able to STFU and sit back while the ladies have their top biscuit. If boys can't do this then they get the "explanation" (probably by me!) or they get excluded.

I love being out with the girls. I'll behave where I should (I know when), and I'll play up where I 'should' (hrm, still finding those boundaries - but thats half of my appeal).

DB

[Okey Dokey]

Not sure why this is such a big deal. Every minority wants a bit of time together every now and then. And women riders sure are a minority amongst bikers.

If 90% of bikers were women, then we would be organising men-only rides every now and then, just the same (and ladies would be moaning about it, just the same). Women-only rides barely have any impact on blokes chances of group riding, but if MOST of the rides involving guys were men-only, there wouldn't be many women riding anymore.

I don't see it as a women against men thing, even less a PC thing. After all, aren't there hogs-only rides? Or sport bikes only track days?

Let the ladies ride on their own from time to time. That might encourage more ladies to ride and later join our rides. Myself, I'd love to see a more balanced population amongst bikers.

Thanks, Jiminy. You have expressed my thoughts precisely and made this my easiest post ever. I find this an unexpectedly "hot" issue, but then I haven't done much group riding.

[McDuck]

It is not so much i want to go on this one ride baddly, i want to go on rides with as many people as i can that will ride safely. I have found that a girl is a lot more likely to ride safely.... because that is the way they are...




completely disagree. I have spat the dummy at both woman and men who have ridden dangerously around me. The notion that girls are more likely to ride safely because they are girls is offensive and just plain arrogant.



Allow me to rephrase. The sort of rides these girls do is the sort of rides I want to do. Just because they are woman dont mean they will not do something stupid but it is less likely because of the people involved here.

[MsKABC]

So are you saying that men should never be allowed "Boys nights out"?

[Monamie]

...speaking as an `L-plater' and being of the `fairer' sex..:dodge: I mean of course `female'..I personally think it is unfair to limit a public event to one sex or the other.
I love the road rides with the guys. I have learnt valuable lessons from both guys and girls on our rides and would expect to be treated as `one of the gang' rather than one of the girls or L-platers. (I even brushed off Garry H's comment-`no more ladies on 250's'.....it was said in a very high, pained type of voice...I have my suspicions:shifty:)..he'll keep:innocent:. I would also quite happliy do a `ladies' ride-more so to meet more lady bikers as Mrs K has mentioned.

However-I have never been on a track and would be more inclined to go if it was learners only. Why...well basically I don't want to look like a dick in front of either sex. Track days should be planned to have learners-or as they do- `slow' first. I think you need the more experienced guys/gals there to show how it is done and then they are welcome to the track.
My 2c worth;)

[Rosie]

I've heard a little about women's dirt/trail riding training days, and I really want to go on one. They sound like they have a really supportive, encouraging atmosphere, with other people of a similar age and riding ability (and fear threshold) to myself.
I don't know any women who ride off road, and I'd love to meet some.

And I can't quite understand why people would feel offended by this :(

[cowboyz]

...speaking as an `L-plater' and being of the `fairer' sex..:dodge: I mean of course `female'..I personally think it is unfair to limit a public event to one sex or the other.
I love the road rides with the guys. I have learnt valuable lessons from both guys and girls on our rides and would expect to be treated as `one of the gang' rather than one of the girls or L-platers. (I even brushed off Garry H's comment-`no more ladies on 250's'.....it was said in a very high, pained type of voice...I have my suspicions:shifty:)..he'll keep:innocent:. I would also quite happliy do a `ladies' ride-more so to meet more lady bikers as Mrs K has mentioned.

However-I have never been on a track and would be more inclined to go if it was learners only. Why...well basically I don't want to look like a dick in front of either sex. Track days should be planned to have learners-or as they do- `slow' first. I think you need the more experienced guys/gals there to show how it is done and then they are welcome to the track.
My 2c worth;)
thats what the slow group is for. Plenty of rider training going on at trackdays. I think the point about not wanting to look bad (really not digging at you here so take it for what its worth) is a valid and common excuse for not attending trackdays. The thing is, no one notices. And if they do they simply dont care. People are busy doing their own thing on trackdays than picking on others. The ones that get themselves noticed are the ones being dicks.

I've heard a little about women's dirt/trail riding training days, and I really want to go on one. They sound like they have a really supportive, encouraging atmosphere, with other people of a similar age and riding ability (and fear threshold) to myself.
I don't know any women who ride off road, and I'd love to meet some.

And I can't quite understand why people would feel offended by this :(

based on sex? If I was learning to ride I would feel quite dejected if I showed up to a newbie ride and got told that I couldnt ride because I have a penis. Moreso, annoying that a possible trackday I could attend and not being allowed to for the same reason. Point was made about suzuki and yamaha but at least they dont exclude others.

[karla]

Segregation based on gender is about as distasteful to me as segregation based on colour. How many of us would be moved to action if they had a "white-only" day? It is divisive and seperatist, rather than unifying around a common factor - in this case, for example, we are all lovers of biking, and therefore equal in biker law. The differences between us are there to be enjoyed, not to divide us. We all gotta learn to get along together. I'm so burnt out on gender wars.:Playnice:

[Monamie]

thats what the slow group is for. Plenty of rider training going on at trackdays. I think the point about not wanting to look bad (really not digging at you here so take it for what its worth) is a valid and common excuse for not attending trackdays. The thing is, no one notices. And if they do they simply dont care. People are busy doing their own thing on trackdays than picking on others. The ones that get themselves noticed are the ones being dicks..

To true. I think the days of `ladies only' are on the cards. Most of us don't want to be singled out-just like guys don't want to. Although....I would still rather go to the restroom with Chanceyy than you:bleh:.

[surfchick]

There was one earlier post that noted that men outnumber women in participation in riding motorcycles. I have answered this query before about the girlie rides - but I'll try and do this as thoughfully and succinctly as possible. Also to address this issue as something broader than bikes...

I have been close to organisations, like the Irish Surfing Association - whom I surfed for at the World Surfing Games in Durban in 2002, who want to increase women's participation in both surfing and water-sport generally. So one of the most practical events they came up with to compliment the national surfing curcuit was to run two annual women's surf days, with sponsorship and BBQ's and banter and coaches etc etc to attract women into the sport. Increasing participation is normally the theme behind these kinds of events - and celebrating the sport by focusing on it (Manufacturer track days draw together those that love/use their brand etc etc - it's a very similar kind of way of focusing on particular sub-groups). It really is this simple sometimes - and there is never usually any grand masterplan about exclusions - often organisers have simply noted that women haven't picked up certain sports-or certain specialisations within sports.

A couple of things about myself I'd like to add-kiwibiker is really warm to nooobies regardless of gender- so those kinds of issues don't really come up - girls sports days are usually designed simply to get the girls out and about.

If you have never been on the receiving end of attempting to participate in something your demographic usually doesn't involve itself in it is possibly hard to distinguish between some of the approaches organisations/people take-as you will no doubt be thinking "just get on and do it like I did" :) - all I can say is count yourself lucky you weren't the one trying to convince two northern irish parents who couldn't swim it was a good idea to surf 12ft waves in the Atlantic ocean :devil2: i hope someone finds the parallel...

[Trudes]

Hmmmmmmmm...... Let me see. Suzuki trackdays, yamaha trackdays, womans trackdays...... As a guy on a kwaka I arent doing too well here.

NB: The zooki and yammy trackdays do not EXCLUDE other bikes. You just have to pay more and understandably so as the company sponsering the event.


I don't know about the yamaha trackdays, but I was just told I couldn't take my Hornet on the track at a Suzuki trackday..... Honda riderclub trackdays are open to other makes.

[Deano]

NB: The zooki and yammy trackdays do not EXCLUDE other bikes.

The GSXR and Kiwi Rider (Suzuki) track days specifically exclude other brands.:whocares:


Not sure why this is such a big deal.

It's not. Get a life people.

[madandy]

A bit like the Gixxer only track days, cause of course *they* feel more comfortable without any CBR's around !!

Especially from 2008 on.....:rofl:

You have your Honda Riders Club days, don't forget...Other makes may be allowed but they're not invited.
I'd expect the Zooki/GSXR days are geared up to market equipment at the riders/enthusiasts of these bikes and such effort would be wasted on a CBR lover.

Has this thread kicked off due to some young guy's need to ride with women rather than men?
In the interestes of increasing participation numbers it is often beneficial to exclude those already involved in an activity so as to encourage new people to have a go...
As a Golf Course Superintendent I see improved retention of newbies, regardless of sex, when they are introduced to Golf and coached separate to the show offs already in the Club.
Let the girls who wanna ride with other chicks now & then have their fun. I wouldn't wanna ride with a bunch of sweaty, smelly, show off boys all the time either :bleh:

[MSTRS]

...Get a life people.

Indeed. In most cases, exclusion of one gender should not be a problem...as long as that is a two-way street. Which is where the problem becomes apparent. The double standard is not a fair go. The old 'What's your's is mine and what's mine is mine'.
But it is election year:whistle:

[Squiggles]

Fine by me as long as theres no scrapping if i was to do the same for males, thats equality :)

[Finn]

Fine by me as long as theres no scrapping if i was to do the same for males, thats equality :)

We'd win anyway.

[Deano]

You have your Honda Riders Club days, don't forget...


I haven't forgotten - I don't particularly agree with the idea of excluding brands, regardless of whether it's Honda, Suzuki or Hyosung for all I care.

I understand that the Honda days do allow other brands, but at a higher entry fee.

If some chicks want to hire the track and only allow chicks, who cares ?

Mother's Day is a private hire and no Jappas allowed - who cares ?

[007XX]

thats what the slow group is for. Plenty of rider training going on at trackdays. I think the point about not wanting to look bad (really not digging at you here so take it for what its worth) is a valid and common excuse for not attending trackdays. The thing is, no one notices. And if they do they simply dont care. People are busy doing their own thing on trackdays than picking on others. The ones that get themselves noticed are the ones being dicks.


based on sex? If I was learning to ride I would feel quite dejected if I showed up to a newbie ride and got told that I couldnt ride because I have a penis. Moreso, annoying that a possible trackday I could attend and not being allowed to for the same reason. Point was made about suzuki and yamaha but at least they dont exclude others.

Hi Cowboyz...I have done a normal track day and loved it. However, I have to admit that it was at first intimidating because of a few young dickheads who thought it utterly hilarious to wizz by someone who is an obvious first timer and also who is obviously a chick , and I mean so very close I could almost smell them :pinch:

Now, I happen to be the kind of chick to just get pissed off at that sort of attitude, and just decide to give them the big finger by getting better and better throughout the day despite their obvious disregard for how their attitude could affect me on the track.

But other women out there get intimidated way easier, and how fair is it for them to have to put up with little shits like these guys?

No one is targeting you personally, but just trying to cater for a group of riders with particular self confidence and skill issues.

Oh and btw, Flame would never be intimidating on a track of newbie girls...she'd be smart enough to just be respectful and mindful of the people around her.

To sum up my point: A few bad eggs in your gender group is spoiling it for the rest of you lovely blokes.
It's sad and unfair, I agree...but there are plenty of track days out there that I don't see it should hurt you that much.

[blueblade]

The Honda days are run by the Honda Riders Club. You can ride whatever brand of bike you like but you pay a higher price if you are not an HRC Club member. They recently decided to exclude race or non road registered bikes so some of us are crying because of that.
They also occasionally run lady only or learner days. Cant see any problem with that. Organisers can invite, or not invite whoever they want. Its their day.

[Blossom]

I agree that some shit has been taken too far, the golf thing for instance, but it is probably retaliation for the years of women not even being allowed on the course (and until recently I believe, some golf courses still did this).
Anyway, it's bed time, work in the morning, night night people.

and might I add the word GOLF stands for Gentlemen Only Ladies Forbidden. :whistle:
So times have changed, the pendulum has swung perhaps too far in our favour. It sucks, it always has.
And as far a ladies only rides I also wonder if thats because there is a lot less women on bikes out there and so a bit more advertising to get them together is needed to get them all in one spot.?

[Str8 Jacket]

Oh and btw, Flame would never be intimidating on a track of newbie girls...she'd be smart enough to just be respectful and mindful of the people around her.


flame could never be initmidating unless she really wanted to anyway. She is waay to luffly!

[MSTRS]

...but there are plenty of track days out there that I don't see it should hurt you that much.

Ah, he's just pissed cos he got married not long ago, and his darling missus knows what he gets (got?) up to around a bunch of leather-clad wimmin...she has applied the RuleOfThumb:whistle:

[madandy]

I haven't forgotten - I don't particularly agree with the idea of excluding brands, regardless of whether it's Honda, Suzuki or Hyosung for all I care.

I understand that the Honda days do allow other brands, but at a higher entry fee.

If some chicks want to hire the track and only allow chicks, who cares ?

Mother's Day is a private hire and no Jappas allowed - who cares ?

Everyone participating in this discussion cares. Some agree & others don't.
If I wanted to increase market share of my product I'd invite other brand users along to show them how good my product was...It's not about rewarding brand loyalty, its about extracting more money out of the punters.


Hi Cowboyz...I have done a normal track day and loved it. However, I have to admit that it was at first intimidating because of a few young dickheads who thought it utterly hilarious to wizz by someone who is an obvious first timer and also who is obviously a chick , and I mean so very close I could almost smell them :pinch:

Now, I happen to be the kind of chick to just get pissed off at that sort of attitude, and just decide to give them the big finger by getting better and better throughout the day despite their obvious disregard for how their attitude could affect me on the track.

But other women out there get intimidated way easier, and how fair is it for them to have to put up with little shits like these guys?

No one is targeting you personally, but just trying to cater for a group of riders with particular self confidence and skill issues.

Oh and btw, Flame would never be intimidating on a track of newbie girls...she'd be smart enough to just be respectful and mindful of the people around her.

To sum up my point: A few bad eggs in your gender group is spoiling it for the rest of you lovely blokes.
It's sad and unfair, I agree...but there are plenty of track days out there that I don't see it should hurt you that much.

That's exactly why I support Ladies days. :sunny:

[007XX]

flame could never be initmidating unless she really wanted to anyway. She is waay to luffly!

Ain't she just? :love:

The same can be said for the Likes of Keystone19 and Nicksta...these ladies have a serious racing experience and capacities, and I'd take lessons from them any day.

Then again, DMNTD is a pretty good teacher :2thumbsup I know he helped me heaps during my track day!


Ah, he's just pissed cos he got married not long ago, and his darling missus knows what he gets (got?) up to around a bunch of leather-clad wimmin...she has applied the RuleOfThumb:whistle:

:doh: Now, I understand...so I guess offering to give him a leather clad :hug: at the moment wouldn't really help, uh? :rofl:


That's exactly why I support Ladies days. :sunny:

:clap: :niceone:

[DMNTD]

Reckon ya should exclude the ones not having sex...

[007XX]

Yahoo!! I'm safe based on that criteria...:woohoo: :banana:

Mind you, it's not that stupid a suggestion, given that accumulation of testosterone (from not gettin' any) will create an accumulation in aggressive behaviour, and general dushbag attitude...

From my very scientific Strumpet observation anyway...:p

[CookMySock]

I've heard a little about women's dirt/trail riding training days, and I really want to go on one. They sound like they have a really supportive, encouraging atmosphere, with other people of a similar age and riding ability (and fear threshold) to myself.
I don't know any women who ride off road, and I'd love to meet some.

And I can't quite understand why people would feel offended by this :(

Well, boys can (and bloody well should) provide such a supporting atmosphere as well.. Isn't this what women WANT from us ? Isn't this the whole reason you chose your nice young lad to begin with ?

I agree sometimes we don't get it, and you're right - its not fair. And when we don't get it please loudly tell us so and EXPECT US TO GET IT. We like it when people expect us to do better, so let us hear it.

I LIKE to be involved when the girls are on a mission. I'm happy to sit back and hum along and leave the girls up the front. I expect the girls like being along when the boys are on a mission too.. as long as its not getting too scary.

DB

[007XX]

Well, boys can (and bloody well should) provide such a supporting atmosphere as well.. Isn't this what women WANT from us ? Isn't this the whole reason you chose your nice young lad to begin with ?

I agree sometimes we don't get it, and you're right - its not fair. And when we don't get it please loudly tell us so and EXPECT US TO GET IT. We like it when people expect us to do better, so let us hear it.

I LIKE to be involved when the girls are on a mission. I'm happy to sit back and hum along and leave the girls up the front. I expect the girls like being along when the boys are on a mission too.. as long as its not getting too scary.

DB


Oh I like your thinking! :niceone: Very nice sir...

However, may I just mention in passing that a lot of members of your gender, albeit of an earlier generation (or lower IQ quotient) will not share in your very understanding and intelligent mentality?

[Lissa]

Fucked if I know Cowboyz. I don't mind doing things with the guys, fine by me, but seeing something in the biking world that advertises "ladies ride/day/etc etc", makes me automatically think "sweet, there won't be a huge testosterone filled crowd, people smelling of perfume instead of fart".

As for the chicks rides, I continued to organise these at request by other chicks, and enjoy them myself as something different. I believe the gals are likely to get out and ride on these mainly because we often don't meet many other chicks riding during the weekends. I would say on an average Saturday or Sunday ride around the 'Rapa, I would see maybe one or two other chicks at the "bike gathering areas" that actually ride their own bikes, to maybe thirty odd guys, so it's a novelty, and I think this is the reason why chicks enjoy the odd chick ride, it's not exactly meant to exclude the guys, as many turn up anyway, but more to encourage the girls to gather and ride and gossip, it's a novelty.
Totally agree. I love riding, doesn't matter if its with guys or gals. Some rides I have been on, there have been a zillion guys and hardly any other females,(if any others at all) and yea it can feel a little intimidating.

So from time to time (but not all the time) a chicks ride is nice, its usually a small affair because lets face it, not as many females ride as males. I like the small amount of people, and usually they are riders with the same silly fears me. But really we don't advertise these rides as KB rides, as far as I am concerned we are just a bunch of friends going out for a ride together, we just ring each other up or txt each other to organize it because whats the harm in that? If a group of guys arrange a ride in this way and don't invite any females is that sexist?

[Lissa]

And nothing wrong with that at all ... they just can't be chicks only rides ... all's sweet.

To make a point. If I txt/pm Trudes, elle, vicki whoever to go for a ride and they happen to be all chicks.... why would anyone care, how on earth is that sexist, they are my friends.

We no longer organise 'Chicks Only Rides" not after what happened last time, just seemed like a lot of fuss about nothing. We now have organised rides with friends. :)

[Finn]

We no longer organise 'Chicks Only Rides" not after what happened last time...

Did someone break a nail?

[Str8 Jacket]

Did someone break a nail?

Worse. Someone started a thread......


I reckon that we are very lucky in Wgtn as most of us just get along. No one really cares what gender you are. I also dont really see it at the racetracks when I go along either.

[surfchick]

Did someone break a nail?
my nails are all i have in the world...don't make fun maha

[MSTRS]

Oh I like your thinking! :niceone: Very nice sir...

However, may I just mention in passing that a lot of members of your gender, albeit of an earlier generation (or lower IQ quotient) will not share in your very understanding and intelligent mentality?

:pinch::drool::wacko::blink::stoogie::beer: :bleh:

[surfchick]

Reckon ya should exclude the ones not having sex...

it's prolly been so long for some that they might have to be excluded twice :chase:

[ManDownUnder]

it's prolly been so long for some that they might have to be excluded twice :chase:

you called?

[Hitcher]

We no longer organise 'Chicks Only Rides" not after what happened last time, just seemed like a lot of fuss about nothing. We now have organised rides with friends.
Bloody good on you. There's times when I truly despair for how the XY gang behaves and the things they think threatens what passes for their *manhood*.

[Pwalo]

Worse. Someone started a thread......


I reckon that we are very lucky in Wgtn as most of us just get along. No one really cares what gender you are. I also dont really see it at the racetracks when I go along either.

Yep, we're easy in Wellywood. Who gives a rat's bottom if a bunch of women want to get together to ride their motorbicycles.

Sounds a bit too much like a tupperware party anyway.

[Lissa]

Did someone break a nail?
Nope... just a whole lot of poo about nothing.


I reckon that we are very lucky in Wgtn as most of us just get along. No one really cares what gender you are. I also dont really see it at the racetracks when I go along either.Dont forget the Rapa!!

I dont see any discrimination at any of the races I have been too. As for track days, I am quite comfortable doing these with guys as well as girls.

[Str8 Jacket]

Dont forget the Rapa!!

I dont see any discrimination at any of the races I have been too. As for track days, I am quite comfortable doing these with guys as well as girls.

Yep, I meant wellington and the wider people in the rapa etc....

[Ocean1]

However, may I just mention in passing that a lot of members of your gender, albeit of an earlier generation (or lower IQ quotient) will not share in your very understanding and intelligent mentality?

Earlier generation?

Cheeky bagage, last time I open a door for you. :bleh:

[idb]

......so it's nice to have a bit of a change from the guys and their constant dick measuring... I mean chicken strip comparisons.:blink:

Chicken strips and cell phones...the only things that men want have smaller than their mates'.

[Paul in NZ]

I avoid the whole problem by just generally prefering my own company. I regularly have man only rides by myself.

[MisterD]

Chicken strips and cell phones...the only things that men want have smaller than their mates'.

Beer guts?

[jrandom]

lower IQ quotient...

What's that, ma'am? Intelligence Quotient Quotient?

Helps with trying to remember the Personal Identification Number Number for one's bank card, I suppose.

:cool:

[007XX]

:wacko::blink::stoogie::beer: :bleh:

Hmmmm...:shifty:I bet Hitcher is gasping for breath as he reads this one...


you called?

What the hell are you doing with my neckl.:angry2:
..oh, eeeerrrmm, never mind :o


The way some post I do query whether its ever been popped before

Or the wrong one maybe? :whistle:


Earlier generation?

Cheeky bagage, last time I open a door for you.

Only if you stopped liking me walking away :innocent:

[ManDownUnder]

Helps with trying to remember the Personal Identification Number Number for one's bank card, I suppose.

:cool:

TSB Bank (http://www.tsbbank.co.nz/) ?

[DMNTD]

Or the wrong one maybe? :whistle:

No such thing...it's a hole therefore a goal :yes:

[jrandom]

utterly hilarious to wizz by... obvious disregard for how their attitude could affect me on the track... little shits like these guys...

A frighteningly close high-speed flyby for a new rider could be a mundane and restrained passing maneuver for someone who's used to riding on the track.

Did you go and chat to these gentlemen, express your concerns and get their viewpoints on the matter, or did you just stew about it silently and call them names on the interweb weeks after the fact?

:confused:

[007XX]

What's that, ma'am? Intelligence Quotient Quotient?

Helps with trying to remember the Personal Identification Number Number for one's bank card, I suppose.

:cool:

are you trying to play with my quotient space again?:rolleyes::lol:

[ManDownUnder]

Chicken strips and cell phones...the only things that men want have smaller than their mates'.


Beer guts?

Refractory period?

[DMNTD]

A frighteningly close high-speed flyby for a new rider could be a mundane and restrained passing maneuver for someone who's used to riding on the track.

Did you go and chat to these gentlemen, express your concerns and get their viewpoints on the matter, or did you just stew about it silently and call them names on the interweb weeks after the fact?

I had a chat to the organisers as it was that bad....serious,and I'm not a n00b.

[007XX]

No such thing...it's a hole therefore a goal :yes:

:eek5: Never have I been as worried for you as I am now...:rofl:


A frighteningly close high-speed flyby for a new rider could be a mundane and restrained passing maneuver for someone who's used to riding on the track.

Did you go and chat to these gentlemen, express your concerns and get their viewpoints on the matter, or did you just stew about it silently and call them names on the interweb weeks after the fact?

:confused:

I would think that you know me better than that mate. What do you think I did?

[DMNTD]

:eek5: Never have I been as worried for you as I am now...:rofl:

Don't be worried for me...be worried about me :devil2:

[jrandom]

I had a chat to the organisers as it was that bad....serious,and I'm not a n00b.

Fairy muff then.

I'd be all in favour of getting in the face of anyone who cut me up at a trackday. I'm not talking racing passes, here, either, even on the inside; I'm talking about riding a big bike in medium or slow group and cutting in front of people in a dangerous manner near the end of straights, and other such carryings on.

Some twat on a 10R with his missus on the back was doing just that in the medium group at the last MotoTT day. I was in two minds as to whether to have a word then, but I've decided that if I see him at the track again, I won't keep my mouth shut.

[007XX]

Don't be worried for me...be worried about me :devil2:

Oh yeah that's right, sorry master! *quickly quicks herself for forgetting about big, bad reputation*...

You're a bad, bad man...not a teddy bear at all...oh no sirree!:msn-wink:

[Deano]

Everyone participating in this discussion cares. Some agree & others don't.


I think you're being pedantic - I don't care if chicks have their own trackday, organise their own rides, or choose to strap on a big one. I guess this does however mean that I disagree.

[007XX]

Fairy muff then.

I'd be all in favour of getting in the face of anyone who cut me up at a trackday. I'm not talking racing passes, here, either, even on the inside; I'm talking about riding a big bike in medium or slow group and cutting in front of people in a dangerous manner near the end of straights, and other such carryings on.

Some twat on a 10R with his missus on the back was doing just that in the medium group at the last MotoTT day. I was in two minds as to whether to have a word then, but I've decided that if I see him at the track again, I won't keep my mouth shut.

Yeah, I'm sure that the sort of twat you're talking about is going to be absolutely reduced to frightened jelly by my very impressive 5.7", 52 kilos worth of terrifying womanhood :shifty::Punk:

Nah...I just ask hubby or the likes of DMNTD...a girl's got to know when to keep in the back ground and send the troops instead.

[jrandom]

I would think that you know me better than that mate. What do you think I did?

Went on strike?

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... reduced to frightened jelly by my very impressive 5.7", 52 kilos worth of terrifying womanhood.

Well, you scare me...

Edit: And last time I checked, you were, in fact, taller than 5.7 inches.

[Deano]

I'd be all in favour of getting in the face of anyone who cut me up at a trackday.

"You don't want to go making any enemies round here"

M.S.

[007XX]

Went on strike?

Bwahahaha...nice one. But no, I'm afraid I am too bloody stubborn and opinionated to sit by and do nothing.

However, there are two different sets of rules for women and men when it comes to confrontations, unless both parties are of a reasonnably intelligent mentality.

When dealing with a man who thinks it is cool to do the sort of stunt we were referring to earlier, his one and only argument will generally be: I'm bigger than you, so what are you going to do about it?

I cut to the chase, and get someone bigger to deal with it, and the argument settles quicker.

If it is someone I can reason with (and would not consider physical superiority something to resort to), I will quite gladly go an calmly talk it out with him / her.


Well, you scare me...

Yeah right...Mind you, you'd be the second one saying that this week...what have I done? :confused:

[kiwifruit]

I like the idea,
lets do it girls!! :scooter:

[cowboyz]

I don't know about the yamaha trackdays, but I was just told I couldn't take my Hornet on the track at a Suzuki trackday..... Honda riderclub trackdays are open to other makes.
yeah. ok I retract that. I do recall not being allowed to go to the zooki one. Wondering what your reaction was when you got told you were not allowed to go to the zooki trackday? Did you go "oh well, there is another one in a few months time. OR did you go "what a pain in the arse, it is a few months to the next one."



Hi Cowboyz...

No one is targeting you personally, but just trying to cater for a group of riders with particular self confidence and skill issues.

Oh and btw, Flame would never be intimidating on a track of newbie girls...she'd be smart enough to just be respectful and mindful of the people around her.

To sum up my point: A few bad eggs in your gender group is spoiling it for the rest of you lovely blokes.
It's sad and unfair, I agree...but there are plenty of track days out there that I don't see it should hurt you that much.
Hi 007XX

I dont take things personally unless the moon is in the 4th quarter and I havent had enough coffee for the day yet. Just thought I would put my views up on what I thought of woman only trackdays. You have put yours up. That is fine.

Oh, And I only pointed Flames name out because she is the only female racer that I know right now. Not suggesting at all that she would go round pissing people off at trackdays. But the question still hasnt been answered if she would be invited to a woman only trackday because she is quick. That was the overwhelming reason to have a woman only trackday after all - so less experienced riders do not feel intimiadated.


Ah, he's just pissed cos he got married not long ago, and his darling missus knows what he gets (got?) up to around a bunch of leather-clad wimmin...she has applied the RuleOfThumb:whistle:
Hey! At least I dont get told off for the way I put the washing out! - yet.....


To make a point. If I txt/pm Trudes, elle, vicki whoever to go for a ride and they happen to be all chicks.... why would anyone care, how on earth is that sexist, they are my friends.

We no longer organise 'Chicks Only Rides" not after what happened last time, just seemed like a lot of fuss about nothing. We now have organised rides with friends. :)
road riding is fine. And it sounds alot better to go for a ride with a bunch of friends who happen to be all female than to have a female only ride. The whole notion of a female only ride (which seems to be missed) is one of two things.

1. There are no dangerous female riders out there. Therefore you can organise a ride based on gender and guarentee there will be no dangerous riding going on.

2. All females are so slow that they dont have the ability to intimate others.

which one is it now?

[AllanB]

Funny thread - what a interesting bunch of people we are.

Girls only track - day - go for it girls.

[steveb64]

I avoid the whole problem by just generally prefering my own company. I regularly have man only rides by myself.

...which leads to the question - "And man only sex by yourself too?" :whistle:

[Trudes]

yeah. ok I retract that. I do recall not being allowed to go to the zooki one. Wondering what your reaction was when you got told you were not allowed to go to the zooki trackday? Did you go "oh well, there is another one in a few months time. OR did you go "what a pain in the arse, it is a few months to the next one."


The one I got dragged to with hubby, I thought, well that's a pity, especially as Honda let other makes on, oh well if I really want to go on I'll share the Gixer, but decided I was happy to watch my hubby have his fun and take photos.
I figure there are enough trackdays I could go to if I want to make the effort, so am not going to winge about not being able to ride my Honda at the Suzuki trackdays, but it does discourage me from going and then often hubby decides he doesn't want to go either if I don't go, but hey, that's his choice.:sunny:

[Bonez]

Any chance of sniffing the bikes seats afterwards?

[jrandom]

the question still hasnt been answered if she would be invited to a woman only trackday because she is quick.

She's quick?

:confused:

[MSTRS]

Any chance of sniffing the bikes seats afterwards?

At a girls-only track day? I think you'll need to shave if you hope to fool the butch dykes on the gate :laugh:

[Bonez]

At a girls-only track day? I think you'll need to shave if you hope to fool the butch dykes on the gate :laugh:Some will probably have just as much facial growth.:shifty: Entry should be easy.

Been told I have the breasts of a 14 year old girl .........................

Coyboyz should be in too, as he's a big girl at heart ;).

[SixPackBack]

Segregation based on gender is about as distasteful to me as segregation based on colour. How many of us would be moved to action if they had a "white-only" day? It is divisive and seperatist, rather than unifying around a common factor - in this case, for example, we are all lovers of biking, and therefore equal in biker law. The differences between us are there to be enjoyed, not to divide us. We all gotta learn to get along together. I'm so burnt out on gender wars.:Playnice:
We had the flame war to end them all over this topic sometime ago now, segregation was the heart of the matter and argued until people cried [literally].

Its not Martin Luther King day, the Black Panthers 'aint parading on high. 'Tis in fact just a trackday. Afterwards the boys can give cheesy grins at the thrills [and hopefully not] spills, welcome the girls back to the pitts and life will go on.

Enjoy the day Girls, trackdays are fucken' awsome.

[MadDuck]

Oh, And I only pointed Flames name out because she is the only female racer that I know right now.


Not to mention Keystone19, Nicksta, RossiGal and Meeky Mouse to name but a few.

We have done this topic so many times its kind of getting boring. I wont get invited to girls only days now because i ride a Harley.....should I take offence. Nup. Do I care. Nup. Will the sun rise tomorrow...yep I am pretty sure it will.

[Bonez]

Not to mention Keystone19, Nicksta, RossiGal and Meeky Mouse to name but a few.

We have done this topic so many times its kind of getting boring. I wont get invited to girls only days now because i ride a Harley.....should I take offence. Nup. Do I care. Nup. Will the sun rise tomorrow...yep I am pretty sure it will.

Whats owning a Harley got to do with not being invited to a track day? You should be invited no matter what ride you've got.

Doesn't Goblin race as well?

[idb]

Refractory period?

It was always Physics in fourth period that I hated!!!!

[007XX]

Hi 007XX

I dont take things personally unless the moon is in the 4th quarter and I havent had enough coffee for the day yet. Just thought I would put my views up on what I thought of woman only trackdays. You have put yours up. That is fine.

I'm glad you're ok with me having an opinion...it's refreshing! *goes off to check where the moon's at...*



Oh, And I only pointed Flames name out because she is the only female racer that I know right now. Not suggesting at all that she would go round pissing people off at trackdays. But the question still hasnt been answered if she would be invited to a woman only trackday because she is quick. That was the overwhelming reason to have a woman only trackday after all - so less experienced riders do not feel intimiadated.

You're missing the point entirely...it is not about being fast. Men and women alike can be fast.
However, girls very rarely tend to purposely ride in a dangerous, show off fashion on the track to impress their mates...why? because they are not driven by ego and other women would not actually think it is suitable behaviour anyway.
Women respect security and skill, and also the fact there is a time and place for everything. Track days are about honing your skill safely on the track, not scare the newbies because it is seen as cool by your mates.


road riding is fine. And it sounds alot better to go for a ride with a bunch of friends who happen to be all female than to have a female only ride. The whole notion of a female only ride (which seems to be missed) is one of two things.

1. There are no dangerous female riders out there. Therefore you can organise a ride based on gender and guarentee there will be no dangerous riding going on.

2. All females are so slow that they dont have the ability to intimate others.

which one is it now?

Gah...:thud:

Bottom line is: Some idiots out there think it is a good thing to behave inappropriately on the track, and it would seem especially if they see a chick on a bike.

As stated before, I am not easily scared, and eventually got over it...but as DMNTD stated, the likes of the track day i went to was a perfect example of why some women feel they need to have a more secure environment to learn to be better riders.

How would you feel if a lady who was close and dear to you was seriously intimidated after one track day, enough so to give up on the idea of track days altogether, seeing it as a threatening male environment?

Just humour me on this, and truly try to put yourself in the shoes of a scared young woman, who doesn't have the physical strength to "confront" the other male riders and tell them to pull their head in, as was suggested to me earlier in this thread.

What's her alternative from your point of view?

[cowboyz]

from my point of view. Every male I know has enough sense not to mess with a woman. See a woman go off at ya and it is scary. really scary!

I do understand where you are coming from but there are HEAPS of guys who respect others on the track. Banning all them for the select few is not right.

And if a woman feels intimidated on the track, then a quiet word to the TDO at any respectable trackday will sort that out in about 2 seconds. that is of course if the marshalls havent already reported and black flagged the dangerous rider.

[007XX]

from my point of view. Every male I know has enough sense not to mess with a woman. See a woman go off at ya and it is scary. really scary!

Every male you know doesn't make the entire riders population. And I am not enclined to a "battle of the sexes" discussion. unfortunately, there are still many men out there who still think that having more brawn means they are superior.

To me, men and women should work together, and supplement each other. So I guess we agree, but this is not a perfect world, is it?


I do understand where you are coming from but there are HEAPS of guys who respect others on the track. Banning all them for the select few is not right.

Oh and I agree wholeheartedly...So may I suggest that your argument may not actually be with women for organising their own track day, but with the moronic few who are spoiling it for both women and men who are intent on being good riders?


And if a woman feels intimidated on the track, then a quiet word to the TDO at any respectable trackday will sort that out in about 2 seconds. that is of course if the marshalls havent already reported and black flagged the dangerous rider.

Ideally you'd be right...I'm afraid reality ain't quite like that. A woman who goes complaining about men behaving badly will get labelled a "whinging bitch" by the average male moron (and I stress I do not think it is every male, only a very few), and get trageted as such from then on...

You are a reasonable person, who can understand someone else's point of view, and that's fantastic :first:

[sefer]

are you even allowed to have a men only gym

Nope your not, then again your not actually allowed to have a women's only gym either, they operate on the fact that men won't actually try to join, and won't take them to court if they did. I know this because my mother owns one and we had to figure i out.

As some has pointed out there are no 'gentlemen's clubs' any more (at least not public ones that anyone bar members know about) for the exact reason that you cannot discriminate by sex. Working men's clubs have open memberships for the same reason.

[karla]

Ideally you'd be right...I'm afraid reality ain't quite like that. A woman who goes complaining about men behaving badly will get labelled a "whinging bitch" by the average male moron (and I stress I do not think it is every male, only a very few), and get trageted as such from then on...


I imagine (and I know that I can't talk for men) that a guy who complained would get labelled much worse by the average male.

If we (women) want to hang out in male dominated places then I think that we need to make an effort to fit into that environment/existing culture, rather than try and make things fit into us....at least for a while - it's a common courtesy thing. Most of the men that I know are wonderful and welcome the company of women, as well as make allowances for us, but they tire quickly of being told that what they do "isn't good enough". Equally, when a guy comes into my kitchen he is welcome, but if he starts trying to rearrange my furniture, or tells me how to bake bread, he will get a short sharp shift. :eek:

Surely track days for newcomers solve the problem of sensitivity and feelings of intimidation? Some men might feel equally as intimidated by women who are more experienced than them, but I haven't heard any men asking for male only track days. Men don't tend to make big issues about needing special treatment because of their gender - that may of course be a "male thing". Sometimes I think men need to have more of a voice (and women need to listen more and give them space to talk) - other times I admire men's ability to stfu and shovel the shit. Women can also learn from this.

Anyway, I'm just a newcomer, and accept that I know very little of which I speak. It was mentioned earlier in this tread that this is "just a track day" and I agree, large issues are being extrapolated from a small thing, but there is an underlying principle here that is not so simple, these are bloody complex issues actually, so it's important that men and women talk through these things and work together as best we can to find a common understanding, or just agree to disagree and then let it go.

If it turns out that women only track days are supported, then later on I would hope that women would support men only track days.

Of course, if I were in charge I'd just go ahead and do what I wanted, have the track day - the best way to discover if something is a bad idea is to implement it. And then bring on Women Only biker rallies. If it's not supported then it won't last. If it does then it is probably a good idea. :woohoo:

[karla]

Nope your not, then again your not actually allowed to have a women's only gym either, they operate on the fact that men won't actually try to join, and won't take them to court if they did. I know this because my mother owns one and we had to figure i out.

As some has pointed out there are no 'gentlemen's clubs' any more (at least not public ones that anyone bar members know about) for the exact reason that you cannot discriminate by sex. Working men's clubs have open memberships for the same reason.

Just build on a special women's room and women will segregate themselves, leaving the men free to enjoy the main gym without tripping over women. Seems to be the way it works, at my gym anyway ~

This makes me wonder about the women's only track days actually - who will actually benefit the most, men or women? Perhaps both ~ who knows. :cool:

[MSTRS]

Perhaps the 'problem' that (some) women perceive in mixed track sessions is one of perception, rather than reality? Do any of the longer-time members remember the shitstorm around a Welly girl's first experiences on the track at Manfield?
Is it also possible that the feminazis have shot themselves in the foot? Years have been spent putting laws in place to stop discrimination based on (differences) and if our thinking on these issues have changed more in line with the laws, we are now being told that segregation/discrimination is ok?
Besides, it doesn't matter which of the three sexes is riding on the track - if it goes pear-shaped, it's gonna hurt.

[steveb64]

Perhaps the 'problem' that (some) women perceive in mixed track sessions is one of perception, rather than reality? Do any of the longer-time members remember the shitstorm around a Welly girl's first experiences on the track at Manfield?
Is it also possible that the feminazis have shot themselves in the foot? Years have been spent putting laws in place to stop discrimination based on (differences) and if our thinking on these issues have changed more in line with the laws, we are now being told that segregation/discrimination is ok?
Besides, it doesn't matter which of the three sexes is riding on the track - if it goes pear-shaped, it's gonna hurt.

Seems like segregation is OK if it's a minority segregating themselves from the majority, but if the majority want to segregate from the minority - SHIT NO, THAT'S DISCRIMINATION!

Errr - as a side note - why does there have to be 'Chicks only' DAYS? Is there enough of you women wanting to do track day rides to split up into slow and fast (or slow, medium and fast)? And to cover the track hire?
Why not just split the groupings on a regular track day to slow, med, fast, and women? At least you then get the benefit (such as it may be) of having a bunch of potential coaches around... And it'll help keep costs down... :woohoo:

[Hitcher]

Errr - as a side note - why does there have to be 'Chicks only' DAYS?

Again, somebody is missing the point. If a group of like-minded people want to band together to do something or organise an event, then that is their business and nobody else's. A track day is not a public event. Numbers are generally restricted in some way to ensure that things run smoothly and participants get good value. So a group of women riders want to organise their own track day and have fun without the omnipresent stench of testosterone curbing their enjoyment. Get over it.

[jrandom]

Again, somebody is missing the point...

What he said.

I heartily applaud the idea of women-only trackdays, with the proviso that I be allowed to come along and watch the riders standing around their bikes in the hot, hot sunshine with one-piece leathers half off.

[Blue Velvet]

with the proviso that I be allowed to come along and watch

Excluding spectators based on gender is not FTW :oi-grr:

[steveb64]

Again, somebody is missing the point. If a group of like-minded people want to band together to do something or organise an event, then that is their business and nobody else's. A track day is not a public event. Numbers are generally restricted in some way to ensure that things run smoothly and participants get good value. So a group of women riders want to organise their own track day and have fun without the omnipresent stench of testosterone curbing their enjoyment. Get over it.

Yeah. You. Totally.

What I was asking WAS (In simple terms just for Hitcher): "Given the apparent high costs of track rental (assumed, due to cancellation of 'Trackday 7' because of lack of paid entries), ARE THERE ENOUGH women riders willing to stump up the readies to enable them to have their own trackday?"

If there is - GREAT. Good on them. I REALLY don't care. Even if they want to build a bonfire in the middle of the circuit, and dance around it singing pagan chants. :whistle: (As long as it's not on the track itself...). :(

IF there isn't, WHY can't they have a chunk of their OWN time out on the track, during regular non-gender specific track days?
Given that the major complaint seems to be "Some idiots out there think it is a good thing to behave inappropriately on the track, and it would seem especially if they see a chick on a bike." - surely this level of separation should be effective enough?

AT NO POINT did I intimate, or even infer, that they SHOULD BE BANNED from having a trackday all their own!

[Hitcher]

AT NO POINT did I intimate, or even infer, that they SHOULD BE BANNED from having a trackday all their own!

Thank you for clearing that up. I blame my underdeveloped comprehension skills for not being able to glean that self-evident truth from your earlier post.

[Subike]

Oh I like your thinking! :niceone: Very nice sir...

However, may I just mention in passing that a lot of members of your gender, albeit of an earlier generation (or lower IQ quotient) will not share in your very understanding and intelligent mentality?

Easy on that one there lass
Some of us ""older"" men have learnt just to sit back and shut up.
We know the argument in the end will be one sided.
She who controls the kitchen controlls all!

[Trudes]

Easy on that one there lass
Some of us ""older"" men have learnt just to sit back and shut up.
We know the argument in the end will be one sided.
She who controls the kitchen controlls all!

You got that one right, I always threaten people with spitting in their food if they mess with the cook!!

[cowboyz]

i got pizza hut on autodial

[Swoop]

Edit: And last time I checked, you were, in fact, taller than 5.7 inches.
Shame. Think of all the flash clothes and accessories that could be nicked from Barbie!:first:

[karla]

i got pizza hut on autodial

LOL - you and me both - that explains the dramatic increase in junk/takeaway food places.

As a (slightly pedantic) aside, this thread should be called "excluding based on gender".

I have a completely different definition of sex (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex). :msn-wink:

[cowboyz]

thanks for that. being as I am married I had forgotten the meaning of the word

[007XX]

Easy on that one there lass
Some of us ""older"" men have learnt just to sit back and shut up.
We know the argument in the end will be one sided.
She who controls the kitchen controlls all!

Easy right back at you sir!

With all due respect, not all women are domineering harpies with delusions of superiority towards men. And considering we have never met, I find such an assumption rather interesting, but anyhoo...

I find it quite sad that any men should feel himself obligated to "sit back and shut up".

This point of mine which you quoted was merely my opinion, which I very gladly welcomed challenges on. Please bear in mind that I have never said I was exclusively for "women only track days", only that I didn't think the argument was laid at the correct door:

Women only track days are mostly due in my mind to two things:

1- Women being more easily nervous in situations such as the ones with higher danger capacity than men normally would be.

2- some men, generally of a younger generation, prooving themselves more of a nuisance and dangerous when left loose in mixed gender track days, making the more nervy types of females regret being in there in the first place.

How fair is it that women with this particular learning "shyness" should have to be scared and maybe even put off entirely from track days?

Too many times have I seen conversations of this type degenerating towards an unhealthy argument for both genders.

I do not believe that women only track days mean to deprive men from a track day, but more to allow a safer, slower and more reassuring environment for women to learn in...this hopefully resulting in more women becoming riders and / or pillions.

[MSTRS]

....not all women are domineering harpies .... should feel himself obligated to "sit back and shut up".



No, but most of the men that have married this type have learned there is one way to survive...

[Pwalo]

Who cares. If a bunch of woman want to organise a trackday for themselves that's just fine by me.

I'm just not sure where the sex bit comes into the equation. Any way I apparently ride a girl's bike so I should be good to go.

[007XX]

No, but most of the men that have married this type have learned there is one way to survive...

I'm sorry to hear this. I know for a fact it exists, but really cannot understand why it should be.

Anyway...After having a very good and smart friend of mine point something out to me, I wish to extend apologies to the general "older generation" members who might have taken offence to my earlier comment on "earlier generation".

I actually meant "younger generation", but I guess my french brain got a bit tangled and I cocked it up :o I do try to have as good a handle on the english language as possible, but I guess sometimes it doesn't quite work out as best as one could hope for. :laugh:

So, Mr Subike...I'm sorry. I didn't mean to imply that older generation members were giving girls a hard time.

[MSTRS]

I'm sorry to hear this. I know for a fact it exists, but really cannot understand why it should be.

It's called 'spousal abuse'...for men it's being pussy-whipped, and for women it's (usually) being a punchbag. Sad.


So, Mr Subike...I'm sorry. I didn't mean to imply that older generation members were giving girls a hard time.
For that we have viagra...

[007XX]

For that we have viagra...

:shifty: One would have thought that the excitement generated by a track day would have released enough testosterone to last for a bit and help this issue without the Viagra...:laugh:

*slyly bringing it somewhat back on topic...*:D

[MSTRS]

:shifty: One would have thought that the excitement generated by a track day would have released enough testosterone to last for a bit and help this issue without the Viagra...:laugh:



Oh absolutely....but only when the sessions are mixed (at least, for most of us :whistle: )

[buellbabe]

You dont get it, we do not see you as a threat and untill this chages you will have problems. We want to join in becasue these rides are fun controled safe enviroments.



or at least that is why i want to join in.

ha ha you have obviously never been on a ride with me and my mates then!


kidding! couldn't resist that.

My opinion for what its worth is that I do not feel in any way threatened by guys, I have ridden with guys all my life... no biggie.

If I go on a 'chicks only ride' its cos its a novelty, thats all!

[CookMySock]

1- Women being more easily nervous in situations such as the ones with higher danger capacity than men normally would be.

2- some men, generally of a younger generation, prooving themselves more of a nuisance and dangerous when left loose in mixed gender track days, making the more nervy types of females regret being in there in the first place.

How fair is it that women with this particular learning "shyness" should have to be scared and maybe even put off entirely from track days?


look,

re: (2) I'll be the first to tell some loud boyo to back it down if they ladies are startin to frown or stand back quietly.

I understand the track sessions are fairly well defined anyway, and those of the advanced group are fully separated from the newbs anway. Speedsters or cowboys in any session will get black-flagged if they are interfering with someone elses' session.

Anyway, if the ladettes are off doing their thing I don't begrudge them it. I just like to come and tag along coz its neat.

IMO, less excluding and more sex lol :dodge:

DB

[BiK3RChiK]

Yadda,yadda,yadda... There will always be moaners about 'chicks only days' and the like. Fact is, there are some chicks who may be are out there for the first time and the last thing they need is some over-excited testosterone-pumped idiot scaring the crap out of them so that they never participate again!

There seems to be two sides to this issue. 1. Moronic bad behaviour has happened at track days, which has resulted in women wanting their own track day. and 2. Women 'feel intimidated' or whatever at mixed track days, so want their own.

Aren't track days all about learning and trying something new and exciting in a safe environment? If intimidating, moronic behaviour never happened and if women didn't feel threatened (don't know if this is the right word here) then I don't think we would even be debating this issue.

I think the issue really comes back to respect for the other gender or just respect for the newer track riders. Much can be gained by sharing knowledge and it seems to me that if one gender is 'excluded' then much knowledge is wasted.

But then, I haven't done a track day yet, so what would I know!

Just my 0.02!

M

[Paul in NZ]

Actually - this thread is just convincing me to stay away from ALL trackdays regardless of how much sex is being offered...

[007XX]

Anyway, if the ladettes are off doing their thing I don't begrudge them it. I just like to come and tag along coz its neat.

IMO, less excluding and more sex lol :dodge:

DB

:clap:...especially the IMO part :laugh:


I think the issue really comes back to respect for the other gender or just respect for the newer track riders. Much can be gained by sharing knowledge and it seems to me that if one gender is 'excluded' then much knowledge is wasted.


:2thumbsup exactly!!! Very well put...oh and definitely give a go to track days...they are the best fun, and best investment you can possibly do to advance your skills.


Actually - this thread is just convincing me to stay away from ALL trackdays regardless of how much sex is being offered...

Liar, liar, pants on fire...:shifty: :dodge:


Oh absolutely....but only when the sessions are mixed (at least, for most of us :whistle: )

:laugh: Apparently I can't give you any green lurv for a while :whistle:

[MSTRS]

:laugh: Apparently I can't give you any green lurv for a while :whistle:

You're a very giving young lady. I accept IOUs...

[steveb64]

What's the difference between 'Women only track days' and 'Women only track time' ?

And how many women would actually turn up for a track day of their own (Given that Taupo hire costs $6300, + ancilliary costs)? - ...or should that just be - How many women would be even be interested in a track day of their own?

NOT trying to stir - just curious! BTW - my wife would be dead keen to do a trackday ride, and she'd prefer to be out on the track with just other women - but we can't justify the cost of going all the way to Taupo for just ONE of us to have a ride. :( Either one. :weep: Sigh. And that means two more bikes to fix... (Her Bandit 12, and my old pre '82 GSX11). GROAN.

[BiK3RChiK]

What's the difference between 'Women only track days' and 'Women only track time' ?

And how many women would actually turn up for a track day of their own (Given that Taupo hire costs $6300, + ancilliary costs)? - ...or should that just be - How many women would be even be interested in a track day of their own?

NOT trying to stir - just curious! BTW - my wife would be dead keen to do a trackday ride, and she'd prefer to be out on the track with just other women - but we can't justify the cost of going all the way to Taupo for just ONE of us to have a ride. :( Either one. :weep: Sigh. And that means two more bikes to fix... (Her Bandit 12, and my old pre '82 GSX11). GROAN.

I don't know what the difference is because I've never been to one. However, I wouldn't have a problem with having a 'Woman-only track Time' at a mixed event. What with the cost and all! The women would have to go first though!!:msn-wink:

[cowboyz]

Seems my position has been misunderstood, or at least taken personally by some of the fairer sex enough to warrent a pm debate. Well not so much as a debate but more of a telling off really. I suggested that her concens be expressed in the thread and was declined so I will summerise and comment.

1. I am arrogant for saying that girls organising road rides is fine.

- not sure where to go with this one to be honest. I was stating that I didnt have a problem with girls organising road rides together but reserveing a trackday for girls only does not sit right with me.

2. I should not be a mentor because I dont think like a woman.

- mentor aside, it has been scrapped now anyhow, but I have no idea why I need to think like a woman to be a good mentor. With the whole mentor thing I struggled at first in what to teach people. I am not particularly interested in teaching people how to simply ride fast on the road. In the latter part I was more focused on teaching people how to read the road and ride smoothly.

3. The pm'er states that she thinks woman simply would not feel comfortable around me.

- irks a little. I doint attempt to treat anyone any particular way because they happen to be female or male. I treat people how they deserved to be treated. Both male and female. There are quite a few females in the manawatu rides now. I would be a little disjointed if I found that they were uncomfortable around me. I, like most people, like to be liked.

4. She goes on to say that I am not welcome on any of her rides.

- by the sounds of it her rides are chicks only so I fail by default but for the first time in my life I can chalk up being banned from something. Milestone of sorts I surpose.

5. She also makes reference to boobs on bikes, dicks on bikes.

- no idea where this was going or what it is surpose to imply. Boobs on bikes has both genders involved. Never heard of dicks on bikes.


So summary in order.

I personally, have an issue with any public event that excludes anyone that could benefit from the event because of their age/gender/race. And by "public" I mean, any event that is orgainised and has open invites to any who want to pay to be there.
If a group of 50 girls who were all friends decided to pool their money and hire the track for a private closed session then that is fine by me.

I couldnt care less if road rides are organised for any specific group. If girls want to organise a girls only ride and have girls only on that ride on a public road then fine. Go for it.

I hope this has made my position clearer.

[Bonez]

How come you get to have all the fun Lance?

[karla]

...
So summary in order.

I personally, have an issue with any public event that excludes anyone that could benefit from the event because of their age/gender/race. And by "public" I mean, any event that is orgainised and has open invites to any who want to pay to be there.
If a group of 50 girls who were all friends decided to pool their money and hire the track for a private closed session then that is fine by me.

I couldnt care less if road rides are organised for any specific group. If girls want to organise a girls only ride and have girls only on that ride on a public road then fine. Go for it.

I hope this has made my position clearer.

I'm lining up on your team. I really enjoy riding with other women, but that isn't to the detriment of men, in fact it's probably to their advantage (we're all happier). Love riding with men too.

But I'd be more than a little pissed off if my sons/brothers/male friends (or sisters/girlfriends) were excluded from any public event on the basis of their gender. It's not ok for an enlightened society to sanction that kind, or any similar kind of discrimination.

[Trudes]

3. The pm'er states that she thinks woman simply would not feel comfortable around me.

- irks a little. I doint attempt to treat anyone any particular way because they happen to be female or male. I treat people how they deserved to be treated. Both male and female. There are quite a few females in the manawatu rides now. I would be a little disjointed if I found that they were uncomfortable around me. I, like most people, like to be liked.



I like you Lance and I can honestly say that every time I have met you you have never been anything other than friendly and helpful (OK, you're a cheeky bugger, but that just adds to......) and made me feel quite comfortable in your presence..... so fucked if I know what that comment is all about. Maybe said PMer just feels uncomfortable in the presence of men in general??

[MSTRS]

It's not ok for an enlightened society to sanction that kind, or any similar kind of discrimination.

You mean I can't organise a whites-only trackday? I mean, I saw a TV doco recently that suggested our ethnic citizens would steal my stuff and rape my woman...couldn't risk that fate on the things I love.
:sweatdrop

[Bonez]

I like you Lance and I can honestly say that every time I have met you you have never been anything other than friendly and helpful (OK, you're a cheeky bugger, but that just adds to......) and made me feel quite comfortable in your presence..... so fucked if I know what that comment is all about. Maybe said PMer just feels uncomfortable in the presence of men in general??Sounds like it. Doesn't it?

As for mentoring. It doesn't HAVE to be KB santioned anyway.

[cowboyz]

You mean I can't organise a whites-only trackday? I mean, I saw a TV doco recently that suggested our ethnic citizens would steal my stuff and rape my woman...couldn't risk that fate on the things I love.
:sweatdrop

now you got me buggered.

If my wife takes off with my bike did she do it cause shes female or cause she black..........



:bash:

I will just slip out the door for a bit........

[MSTRS]

now you got me buggered. Wasn't me. I was nowhere near you.

If my wife takes off with my bike did she do it cause shes female or cause she black.......... Yes...

I will just slip out the door for a bit........Some things are better not talked about in public...

The devil made me do it

[karla]

now you got me buggered.

If my wife takes off with my bike did she do it cause shes female or cause she black..........



:bash:

I will just slip out the door for a bit........

:Oi:
She does it because you've got a nice bike. And because she can. :devil2:

[Hitcher]

The 13 missing posts are in pointless drivel. The petty and pathetic infighting was getting a bit sad and way off topic.