Security issue

[TrooperHarley]

I am taking delivery of a new Harley-Davidson Fat Bob in a month or two.
I would like to secure it to the concrete floor of my garage with a chain when it is at home.
Has anyone done this?
What did you use for the anchor?
What firm did you use?

Thank you.

[Renegade]

A builder should be able to chip out some concrete and then re-lay it with an eye anchor to run a chain through, or even just dyno-bolt one into the existing concrete.

You may want to go a little further and alarm the garage, even with all the above they will still get it if they want it.

[Gubb]

Dyna-bolt a wire loop into the gargre floor.

[sAsLEX]

Keep this chained to it slightly hungry.


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[shafty]

Here's a pic of a ABUS set up I tested and wrote an article for BRM for.

I liked the way it worked; they even supply ball bearings to wack in to the allen key heads once secure, so they can't try to disassemble it.

Hope it's helpful.

[Disco Dan]

I have a ground anchor - just supply your own dynabolts (those ball bearing ones look good!).

PM me if your interested.

Solid steel, galv and even painted in galv/chip resistant paint. (in other words it wont rust and will last years).

[koba]

I am taking delivery of a new Harley-Davidson Fat Bob in a month or two.
I would like to secure it to the concrete floor of my garage with a chain when it is at home.
Has anyone done this?
What did you use for the anchor?
What firm did you use?

Thank you.


What do you mean by firm? any security bolted down will be "firm"

No really, Jeesus shit man you are from Upper Hutt? Gotts do it yourself if you are under 75.

Use your noggin, bit of steel reo rod set in concrete that is looped around or tamper proofed dynabolted attacment as mentioned above. Maybe using somthing high tensile or hardened would be better but it only has to be enough for a would - be thief to say "fuck that im just gunna scribble on it bro" to stop 'em nicking it.

Bu then again I bet you live in a bit of Upper Hutt that was bush 5 years ago, in that case let your fingers do the walking and pay shitloads for it.

Welcome to KB.
Check out the cruisey wednesday ride (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=57104&highlight=TCWNR). No really as much as that may sound nasty above everyone is welcome and no one I've met is really a dick.

[Disco Dan]

Here's a pic of a ABUS set up I tested and wrote an article for BRM for.

I liked the way it worked; they even supply ball bearings to wack in to the allen key heads once secure, so they can't try to disassemble it.

Hope it's helpful.

Do you know of any retailers in NZ that sell those tamper proof concrete bolts? (google did not show any)

Cheers

[shafty]

Baber LSC Ltd
09-444 5117
5-6 Argus Pl Glenfield Auckland arrow Sunday

- they used to sell via Mitre 10, but that arrangement ceased. You MAY find some stock still in a M10, - or a Locksmith will help you. CAll the Importer "for a shop near you"!!

[TrooperHarley]

Does anyone know where I can get one of these beasties?
TradeMe does not list them.

[marty]

i wouldn't be getting any builder or concrete guys in to do it. do it yourself. consider a loop alarm that goes off when disconnected as well.

[Jantar]

You seem to be going to an awful lot of trouble to secure two HDs. A cheaper option would be to buy an old Jawa or similar or even a 10 year old GN250 and just park it alongside the Harleys. If someone does break in to steal a bike the Harleys will be safe. :innocent:

[homer]

I got a piece of about 8 mm steel rod bent a loop ,welded it to a flat plate dynoed it to the garage floor

Then got some irragator cable which is stainless ,has 2 loops on each end and is covered with clear hose .

Its way cheaper than chain or even free
its about 5/8 inch diameter
all with a big brass padlock,thread it throu both wheels and lock to the loop on the floor

lock the steering and the disc lock and the cable in the shed thats all locked as well .
I think when no ones home, at least the bikes secure

[YellowDog]

Just getting a new bike myself.

I have bought a paging alarm so that if it goes off, or the bike is started; in addion to the alarm going off, the remote control alerts me.

Will also be bolting anchors to my garage floor.

[TrooperHarley]

Thanks, but I am after a Xena XN15 disc lock.

[Mikkel]

Get comprehensive insurance cover... :yes:

Let's face it, if they want the bloody bike they'll take it!

I'm sure there's a power outlet in your garage and an angle grinder doesn't weigh that much... or whatever they might bring along.

In the end, if they're desperate enough to get it and it's secure enough you'll just wake up with a knife to your throat and then they won't even need the power tools.

[1200custom]

I am taking delivery of a new Harley-Davidson Fat Bob in a month or two.
I would like to secure it to the concrete floor of my garage with a chain when it is at home.
Has anyone done this?
What did you use for the anchor?
What firm did you use?

Thank you.

hi yep i just have a ubolt drilled/screwed in the concrete floor in the garage, then just a heavy duty lock from that to the frame, its not going to do much if they have all the right tools and are organised but then again nothing will, its just there to stop the un-organised theives

[TrooperHarley]

Thanks for all the great advice. I have just ordered a heavy chain which will secure the bike to the garage, and I intend buying an alarmed Xena disc lock (if I can find a seller that offers the XN15 model) and a lighter wire cable for use away from home. That, plus insurance, is about all I can do - as many of you have rightly said, if that isn't enough, nothing will be. My bike arrives this week. I can't wait!

[1200custom]

Thanks for all the great advice. I have just ordered a heavy chain which will secure the bike to the garage, and I intend buying an alarmed Xena disc lock (if I can find a seller that offers the XN15 model) and a lighter wire cable for use away from home. That, plus insurance, is about all I can do - as many of you have rightly said, if that isn't enough, nothing will be. My bike arrives this week. I can't wait!

yea and if you do to much is too impracticle, as long as you have insurance youll be sweet, good luck with your new ride

[turtleman]

Thanks for all the great advice. I have just ordered a heavy chain which will secure the bike to the garage, and I intend buying an alarmed Xena disc lock (if I can find a seller that offers the XN15 model) and a lighter wire cable for use away from home. That, plus insurance, is about all I can do - as many of you have rightly said, if that isn't enough, nothing will be. My bike arrives this week. I can't wait!

Xena XN15 here:
http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/content/catalogueViewEntry.aspx?profilePK=all&entryPK=1076

[TrooperHarley]

Xena XN15 here:
http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/content/catalogueViewEntry.aspx?profilePK=all&entryPK=1076

Thanks. They have none in stock though.

[Radar]

Thanks for all the great advice. I have just ordered a heavy chain which will secure the bike to the garage,

Don't use a chain - they can be cut quickly using bolt cutters. As others have said, dynabolt a U-bracket (made for this purpose - some MC shops will have this) to the concrete floor. On top of the dynabolts place a strip of steel - if necessary - so the bolts cannot be unscrewed. Then secure the bike with a U shape steel rod lock.

Yes, very determined thieves will crack anything, but deterrence is the key here. If it looks too difficult, there is a greater probability they will go elsewhere. A locked gate across the driveway may be the best deterrent - unless you live on a quiet street or rural area.

And when not garaging it, don't leave your bike on your property where everyone who passes will see it.

[CookMySock]

Don't use a chain - they can be cut quickly using bolt cutters. Wrong chain. You need a transport-quality high-tensile chain - that will make their hacksaw squeal.. only an angle grinder will remove that, and an angle grinder makes an awesome alarm-like sound. ;)

DB

[Radar]

Wrong chain. You need a transport-quality high-tensile chain - that will make their hacksaw squeal.. only an angle grinder will remove that, and an angle grinder makes an awesome alarm-like sound. ;)

DB

I have seen what must be high tensile chain at bike shops - they are with lock and textile cover. Can you buy high tensile chain elsewhere, at any length?

[CookMySock]

Can you buy high tensile chain elsewhere, at any length?yes, try engineering shops viz "Bay engineers supplies". Tell them its for tying "really big" things down on logging trucks etc.

DB

[MaxB]

+1 for the if they want badly enough they will get it crowd.

Have you considered cameras? Maybe for later. For the price of a builder and shackle system you can get a pretty flash set up that is linked to an alarm.

A friend of ours was sick of break ins to her business. The shop was secure like a prison but they still kept coming back for more. They had heaps of (stolen) tools which they left behind. She put in cameras and the one that got them was the street frontage unit that caught 3 guys putting on balaklavas plain as day. The crims were recognised and got prison time and in a deal she got most of her gear back.

Compare to a local truckie who chained his Harley in a pit and parked his tractor unit over it and another in front of the roller doors. They put that expanding spray foam into the alarm horns and paid a crim truckie to steal the trucks and park them on an industrial estate. Then they backed up to the roller doors and had all the time in the world to get the bike into their truck. The neighbours just thought it was the owner moving his trucks about.
We only found out how they did it years later when they caught one of the gang in a drugs bust. That is how far scumbags will go to get something of yours.

[BOGAR]

Here's a pic of a ABUS set up I tested and wrote an article for BRM for.

I liked the way it worked; they even supply ball bearings to wack in to the allen key heads once secure, so they can't try to disassemble it.

Hope it's helpful.

I use the same system and find it good. Need to put it hard to get at but still in reach for yourself place. I then went to Bunnings and bought the biggest strongest chain and highest security lock that i could $260 all up for the lot.
Nothing is perfect (maybe the dog idea is) but it will sure slow the Bstd's down. i also have a front disk lock and am planning to get a pager alarm system and a video surveillance system when i get the money.

[jim.cox]

I think this would be a good addition for a new Hardley

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Electronics-hotography/GPS/Automotive/auction-144692566.htm?p=2

I'm looking at putting one on my Ducati

[The Pastor]

A good CCTV setup would be a good idea.

If you trust your neighbours, tell them when you are going away, so that they actually react to your alarms.

Best protection agaisnt thieves - insurance.

[Steam]

This is all way too much trouble.
Even if I had the money to buy a fantastic shiny Harley, the stress of worrying about it and trying to keep it secure would far outweigh the pleasure of owning it.

I've never really thought about it before... but I think I believe that I shouldn't own things I am not prepared to lose. Hmm... interesting.
That requires further thought.

[NOMIS]

come onman its not a hard thig to do my 16y/0 bro did this for his car outside even managed to get the loop on a hinge one so it can be folede down when theres no car there ect. You can buy the abbus ones from mitre ten and just a dyna bolt and a quick weld of the head to the pate and hey presto done.

[imdying]

Get comprehensive insurance cover... :yes:

as long as you have insurance youll be sweet

Best protection agaisnt thieves - insurance.Spend two years building up your custom Harley and see how much comfort insurance gives you... they'll give you some money, big fucking deal.

[Mikkel]

Spend two years building up your custom Harley and see how much comfort insurance gives you... they'll give you some money, big fucking deal.

Indeed. But it would be worthwhile considering the fact that your bike will get stolen if someone wants it badly enough before you spend two years and a load of money on building your custom.

I know, it's not a perfect world. But the queues at the complaints hotline at the department of creation are fairly long...

[Finn]

Keep this chained to it slightly hungry.


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I thought Fatjim's wife already had a job...

[pritch]

As others have said, if thieves know it's there and they know how to get at it they can steal it. So you make a theft as time consuming as possible without actually deterring yourself from using the bike. Security is usually a trade off against convenience. I have twice seen bikes chained to the living room floor and I'd be tempted to do that myself if there weren't bloody steps everywhere.

One thing that doesn't seem to have been mentioned: never park the bike in front of the house or where it is easily viewed from off the section.
The less people that are aware it's there the better.

[TrooperHarley]

Thanks for all the good advice. I have ordered an XN15 disc lock, a heavy Kryptonite chain, and a floor anchor. That, plus comprehensive insurance, is all that I can do.

[CookMySock]

a heavy Kryptonite chainKryptonite is oldskool. Use Unobtanium.

DB

[scumdog]

Kryptonite is oldskool. Use Unobtanium.

DB

Must be made by Suzuki - half my XN85 seems to be made of the stuff!!:crybaby:

[Kwaka14]

Do you know of any retailers in NZ that sell those tamper proof concrete bolts? (google did not show any)

Cheers

MSL in rosebank road, theyre just countrsunk allen key dynabolts with a ball bearing - LE bearings in henderson could help with that, otherwise a drill and round out the hole...

[Mikkel]

Must be made by Suzuki - half my XN85 seems to be made of the stuff!!:crybaby:

Seems Unobtanium isn't that new really. My '89 ZXR250A has a fair amount of componentry made from this stuff as well.

I'd like to make a case for claymore mines as well. If they manage to breach the security measures at least they won't make away with the bike alive.
Alternatively a 0.5 kg lump of C4 contained in the fuel tank rigged with a remote trigger would also be a nasty nasty surprise for the new "owner".
The professional thieves would often be doing it as a contract hit...

[CookMySock]

Alternatively a 0.5 kg lump of C4 contained in the fuel tank rigged with a remote trigger would also be a nasty nasty surprise for the new "owner".yeah, would bring a whole new reality to "ownage".

DB

[koba]

I used to sabotage my bike.
Didn't use explosives, just undid subtle, crucial components such as brakes or axles. Any theif probably wouldn't notice....

Don't do it anymore due to forgetting.

[Mikkel]

I used to sabotage my bike.
Didn't use explosives, just undid subtle, crucial components such as brakes or axles. Any theif probably wouldn't notice....

Don't do it anymore due to forgetting.

Probably a good thing to stop doing if you start forgetting about it. :yes:

[pete-blen]

don't use chain.. bolt cutters will cut it if they are big enough.. wheather low or high tensile...
Use wire cable.. bolt cutter won't cut it as it flatens under pressure...
Bolt cutters don't cut:no:... They apply enough pressure to make the steel
burst apart... on the thin wires of a cable once it flattens they are unable
to apply enough pressure to reach the burst point of the wires...

I know some will not beleave.... get a bit of cable and try...

But if they have a battrey angle grinder handy.... bad luck

[Smifffy]

Hope you haven't been spending the time since the previous post trying to cut the cable?

[carburator]

don't use chain.. bolt cutters will cut it if they are big enough.. wheather low or high tensile...
Use wire cable.. bolt cutter won't cut it as it flatens under pressure...
Bolt cutters don't cut:no:... They apply enough pressure to make the steel
burst apart... on the thin wires of a cable once it flattens they are unable
to apply enough pressure to reach the burst point of the wires...

I know some will not beleave.... get a bit of cable and try...

But if they have a battrey angle grinder handy.... bad luck

Umm No Ive got 3/4" wire and the grinder blade just gets sucked in and can't hack it, the locksmith shop gave me a length to try
before buying.

Abus 83/80 rock locks mean bustards..

at the end of the day even when out and about a disc lock does dick, just back up to the bike with a tail lift and a mattress tip the bike on
and drive off.. ( repo's )

[300weatherby]

Wire it to the mains and then make sure you have a grinder with a dodgy cord handy to stick in the crispy critters hand before you report the body you find.

[Road kill]

I hide my bikes as my main form of security.

They can't take em' if they can't find em'.

And I have 5 dogs.:niceone:

[cbfb]

I hide my bikes as my main form of security.

They can't take em' if they can't find em'.

And I have 5 dogs.:niceone:

+1

My best security weighs 32kg and has teeth :)