Police U-turn amusement again

[RantyDave]

Ill considered U-turn to catch a speeding biker - car behind crunches into him.

http://stuff.co.nz/4419259a10.html

Better work stories.

Dave

[Badjelly]

I trust the police car driver will be prosecuted. Or will they try to blame it on the guy who was following?

[Usarka]

I trust the police car driver will be prosecuted. Or will they try to blame it on the guy who was following?

Probably have the same outcome as the other two..... wait, what was that again.....????

[Mikkel]

Methinks the police should get their heads out their asses and start getting a procedure in place for initiating pursuit. (Or get a new one as the current doesn't work very well!)

My money is on the fact that nothing is going to happen!

[Hitcher]

I know what happened here.

The cop was sitting quietly in his car surfing Kiwi Biker. He had just finished reading past threads about U-turning HP officers and about whether *lifesavers* and *head-checks* were indeed the same thing.

He then did a very public-spirited thing and decided to take affirmative action to unite both strands of thought in order to make life easier for Kiwi Biker readers and Moderators alike.

Yet-to-be-named Officer, you are a Prince, and forever in the debt of our readers.

[ManDownUnder]

I thought U-turns on double yellows were illegal...

[Hitcher]

I thought U-turns on double yellows were illegal...

If you're going to get busted for breaking one law, why not go for the jackpot?

[MSTRS]

I'll assume that the biker 'got away' ?:msn-wink:

[scumdog]

I notice an increase of this type of incident since the latest model Commodore has appeared on the scene....I beleive there is a link

However having said that it's still the drivers responsibility to check PROPERLY before doing a U-turn.

[DMNTD]

I thought U-turns on double yellows were illegal...

So is driving at over 100kmph but a chosen few are allowed :sunny:

[fireball]

I notice an increase of this type of incident since the latest model Commodore has appeared on the scene....I beleive there is a link

However having said that it's still the drivers responsibility to check PROPERLY before doing a U-turn.

i think the cops should be driving hondas that might fix the problem!

[Pex Adams]

I notice an increase of this type of incident since the latest model Commodore has appeared on the scene....I beleive there is a link

However having said that it's still the drivers responsibility to check PROPERLY before doing a U-turn.

Isn't there some statistic about it having a blind spot larger than most 4x4's? Something like 44 metres (can't quite remember) ... This was produced when young children playing in driveways, were getting run over by parents!!!

[scumdog]

Isn't there some statistic about it having a blind spot larger than most 4x4's? Something like 44 metres (can't quite remember) ... This was produced when young children playing in driveways, were getting run over by parents!!!


You're onto it Pex - but I ain't saying more - ya don't know who might read this thread. :shifty:

[McJim]

I notice an increase of this type of incident since the latest model Commodore has appeared on the scene....I beleive there is a link
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Answer - blind spot mirrors (or cheaper cars without blind spots to free up more money to pay coppers)

[Mikkel]

I thought U-turns on double yellows were illegal...


So is driving at over 100kmph but a chosen few are allowed :sunny:

Everything goes when you are in (or about to initiate) pursuit of a menace to society!!!


You're onto it Pex - but I ain't saying more - ya don't know who might read this thread. :shifty:

Hmmm, are you at work right now? I'd be more concerned about that mate - if your boss was wanting to do you in that is.


Answer - blind spot mirrors (or cheaper cars without blind spots to free up more money to pay coppers)

You still have to use your bloody mirrors!

[Usarka]

Stick ya head out the window if ya car has a blind spot!

[ManDownUnder]

Everything goes when you are in (or about to initiate) pursuit of a menace to society!!!

Good point...

ARM THE POLICE!!!!!! Howitzers and pill boxes needed every 2 kms along state highways...

(ok let's face it - the poor sod made a balls up and I'd hate to see yet another piss poor excuse for KB to launch off on a cop hating crusade...)

[jim.cox]

I'd hate to see yet another piss poor excuse for KB to launch off on a cop hating crusade...

Excuse? we don' need no steenking excuse...

[MSTRS]

....yet another piss poor excuse for KB to launch off on a cop hating crusade...)

Not any sort of excuse. After the events of late last year, one could be forgiven for thinking that some sort of instruction to cops over U-turns would have been issued. I mean, these people are charged with the duty of making our highways safer, not with creating mayhem. :oi-grr:

[Mikkel]

(ok let's face it - the poor sod made a balls up and I'd hate to see yet another piss poor excuse for KB to launch off on a cop hating crusade...)

What, so the old one has stopped already? And just as I was starting to get into it...

Why didn't anyone tell me? :eek:

[ManDownUnder]

Why didn't anyone tell me? :eek:

three little words...
Red rag. Bull.

[James Deuce]

OOOO Word association games. I'll go next.

"Gore".

[slimjim]

Aaaaaaaa fuck ,,,,,,:yes: no it wasn't !!! O you got it on film :nono:

[twotyred]

I bet the guy on the bike had to pull over or else crash from pissing himself laughing...:rofl:

[gijoe1313]

For some reason, I was thinking of hot female swedish police officers .... damn those lifesaving headchecks with whiplash! :o

I think this will be a new Rainbows end amusement ride ... "The U-turn" where a rollercoaster intersects close enough to have a near miss with another one! :devil2: The catch phrase all the passengers shout at the same time is "You turn!"

[Coldrider]

Is that number plate 'EEL' lol

[hellnback]

OOOO Word association games. I'll go next.

"Gore".

Always someone with the cheap shot... :weep:

[avgas]

I notice an increase of this type of incident since the latest model Commodore has appeared on the scene....I beleive there is a link

However having said that it's still the drivers responsibility to check PROPERLY before doing a U-turn.
No and Yes.
The only blindspot i ever found in the commo was loosing my phone under the seat.
Now you all know i dont like cop bashing - but to be honest seeing the road this one is on........the cop obviously is a blind and deaf retard.
Lets hope he is not dumb too or it will be a whitewash in court.

[avgas]

I mean, these people are charged with the duty of making our highways safer, not with creating mayhem. :oi-grr:
You just made the cops more appealing - Where do i sign up to create this mayhem?

[nadroj]

Stick ya head out the window if ya car has a blind spot!

Now wouldn't that be an irresistable time to stretch your leg as you passed...

[The Pastor]

I've seen cops do "emergancy u turns" to catch speeders.

Do they pull over to the left, check that both ways are clear and then procede to indicate (for 3 seconds iirc) then go when it is clear?

HELL NO! Damn speeder would get away. They just jam the brakes on, turn the wheel if no cars are coming the other way.

Freeking dangerous coonts.

[Hitcher]

OOOO Word association games. I'll go next.

"Gore".

Clinton...

[gijoe1313]

Clinton...

Whitewater...

[McJim]

"Gore".


Clinton...

Balclutha:rofl:

[NUTBAR]

Stick ya head out the window if ya car has a blind spot!


shhhhh..... that would be using your brain!

[crazybigal]

oh joy yet another officer of the law tries to take someone out with a bad U turn!! all for a guy doing 122k on his bike coming the other way.
Was it worth it? could have resulted in a death, he was lucky this time! have they not learnt yet that deciding to make random u turns at speed is a real bad idea?
am i over reacting? this is 3 now in how many months?

A police car has been hit while making a U-turn in Taranaki in the latest incident of its type, following a two similar crashes which injured motorcyclists late last year.


In yesterday's incident, a police highway patrol car was hit by a following vehicle as it made a U-turn to chase a speeding motorcyclist near Midhirst.

The two-car collision happened on State Highway 3 just north of the township about 2.20pm.

Police said it appeared the patrol car was attempting to do a U-turn to chase a speeding motorist when he was hit by a following vehicle.

Senior Sergeant Shaun Keenan, Stratford, said police would be conducting an internal investigation and would be speaking to both drivers and witnesses.

Mr Keenan said the northbound patrol car had clocked a southbound motorcyclist doing 122km/h.

The driver of the vehicle, who would only be known as Mark, said he could have been in the police officer's blind spot when he attempted to do a U-turn.

He had pulled out to pass the patrol car, using the passing lane, when a motorcyclist sped passed in the other direction.

"The cop put on his brakes and indicated left and went over to the side of the road and then turned straight in front of me."

He said he was only doing just over 100km/h.

Mark said he could not avoid hitting the police car.

"I just braced myself for the crash."

Neither driver was injured in the crash, which caused moderate damage to the patrol car and extensive damage to the other vehicle.

The highway was reduced to one lane, backing up traffic in both directions, for about 50 minutes while emergency services cleaned up the mess.

Two accidents involving police late last year have led to questions over the safety of police turning on busy roads.

In December, two motorcyclists were hurt after a police car did a U-turn in front of them on a tight, windy road in the Upper Buller Gorge near Nelson. The officer was turning to chase a speeding motorcyclist heading in the other direction.

In a second incident in December, a motorcyclist was seriously injured when a police car, responding to an emergency call, made a U-turn on State Highway 2 near Maramarua in Waikato.

- with NZPA

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4419259a11.html

[twotyred]

watch this cnut get off scott free... if you or did this they would take sadistic pleasure in throwing the book at us...

"...He said he was only doing just over 100km/h."
bad move guy... this will probably allow them to blame the poor sap who was following as he was "speeding"...:angry2:

[crazybigal]

well they had to charge the cop who took those 2 guys out in the buller, otherwise it would have stunk and its election year is it not??
but what was the outcome of it?? that will be kept quite, public has forgoten about it by now.


watch this cnut get off scott free... if you or did this they would take sadistic pleasure in throwing the book at us...

"...He said he was only doing just over 100km/h."
bad move guy... this will probably allow them to blame the poor sap who was following as he was "speeding"...:angry2:

[Patch]

Bash 'im or her - kunt should learn to drive with its eye's open, not looking at a little box on its dash.





Blame the goobermint - they think they can drive how they like, it seems to dribble down the ranks to some of their robot soldiers

[Mom]

Balclutha:rofl:

Manapouri!

I can play this game too!

Not difficult to turn your head, before you turn your car though is it?

[ynot slow]

Tell ya what them bloody Holden Vivas' crumple well,saw the resulting car on a transporter afterwards.

Simple thing is the cops' adrenelin kicks in when he gets into pursuit mode,easy to miss a car,or bike,imagine if it was a 40tonne truck.

Still if by waiting another second before completing the turn means he will miss out on invoicing a driver,so what,just radio ahead,the officer can give details,albeit a bike to another officer ahead,that way the biker wouldn't know he has been spotted,the biker might slow down for a moment,but then speed up again,then get caught.

Also it was only 122km,but if it was in Midhirst that is 70km.

[cowboyz]

would be interesting to find out if it is the same cop that u turned in front of meanie and I on mountain road in dec? he was a little more than rushed to u turn and put his patrol car in the ditch.

[ynot slow]

would be interesting to find out if it is the same cop that u turned in front of meanie and I on mountain road in dec? he was a little more than rushed to u turn and put his patrol car in the ditch.

Seen one cop car seen em all,probably could've been,the mountain road goes quite a way.Did you stop and check for donuts and coffee in the car.

Guy at work is in fire brigade so the boys were giving the cop shit.

[crazybigal]

if it is 70k through there then they guy he hit will be blamed, dumb ass said he was doing 100k.


Tell ya what them bloody Holden Vivas' crumple well,saw the resulting car on a transporter afterwards.

Simple thing is the cops' adrenelin kicks in when he gets into pursuit mode,easy to miss a car,or bike,imagine if it was a 40tonne truck.

Still if by waiting another second before completing the turn means he will miss out on invoicing a driver,so what,just radio ahead,the officer can give details,albeit a bike to another officer ahead,that way the biker wouldn't know he has been spotted,the biker might slow down for a moment,but then speed up again,then get caught.

Also it was only 122km,but if it was in Midhirst that is 70km.

[crazybigal]

yes and how many times do you see cops sitting on the other side of the road waiting to catch people then take off after them crossing the double yellow lines! is this legal?


I thought U-turns on double yellows were illegal...

[crazybigal]

tell you what you have a point there! i drove a new one a few months ago as a rental car, all i could see was "A" pillar in my vision



I notice an increase of this type of incident since the latest model Commodore has appeared on the scene....I beleive there is a link

However having said that it's still the drivers responsibility to check PROPERLY before doing a U-turn.

[ynot slow]

if it is 70k through there then they guy he hit will be blamed, dumb ass said he was doing 100k.

Yep remembered that as I'd posted it,but the speed limit drops to 70km for about 2 km,so was thinking it could have been just prior to the cop entering the zone,therefore the biker could be still over the speed of 70km.

[doc]

I notice an increase of this type of incident since the latest model Commodore has appeared on the scene....I beleive there is a link

However having said that it's still the drivers responsibility to check PROPERLY before doing a U-turn.


Returning from Hamilton to Auckland saw a police car (Latest model Commodore) do a dodgy u turn at Ngaruawahia yesterday. We both rubbernecked to see if the lights went on, but they didn't. My point is that the way the turn was carried out, no indication and cars behind brake lights and looked like the same for the traffic comming the other way. Public are starting to get critical over you guy's habits. You have got to get your union involved to stand up to those, who reap the benefits of your actions. I reckon it's getting to the stage where the worm will turn.

I don't fancy turning up in the situation of the poor prick on TV who got so frustrated with tagging that he took the law into his own hands and has now f.cked his life and that of his families and the original offender has the sympathy of the public. It's not a you and us situation its the friggin bean counters and PC brigade hiding behind the accountability fasade

. Rant over see you at the next KB'r Sth Island do.

[HungusMaximist]

Cops shouldn't even bother to chase after bikers, period. :msn-wink:

[Boob Johnson]

I notice an increase of this type of incident since the latest model Commodore has appeared on the scene....I beleive there is a link
lol quite possible <_<


However having said that it's still the drivers responsibility to check PROPERLY before doing a U-turn.
Guessing he has gotten a lil over excited at the thought of a chase that he has made a bit of a mistake :spanking:


Waiting with anticipation for the out come of this one, especially in election year



:corn:

[scumdog]

,just radio ahead,the officer can give details,albeit a bike to another officer ahead,that way the biker wouldn't know he has been spotted,the biker might slow down for a moment,but then speed up again,then get caught.

Also it was only 122km,but if it was in Midhirst that is 70km.

Good call Einstien, real handy idea down here when the 'another officer ahead' is likely to be 'only' 35+km away....

[scumdog]

. Rant over see you at the next KB'r Sth Island do.

And make sure you bring another 'pig' eh!!!!

[Skyryder]

What the police need is a tank. No more U turns all they need to do is turrett 180 degree and shoot the munter off the road. Bloody hell they dont even need to slow down while they are at it.


Skyyrder

[shafty]

u n b e l i e v a b l e

[Pex Adams]

the 'another officer ahead' is likely to be 'only' 35+km away....

Good to know - Good to know:cool:

[What?]

Also it was only 122km,but if it was in Midhirst that is 70km.

It is a 100K zone where the passing lanes are - well out of the 70 zone.


yes and how many times do you see cops sitting on the other side of the road waiting to catch people then take off after them crossing the double yellow lines! is this legal?

Yes, it is legal. Yellow centre lines only prohibit overtaking moving vehicles unless it can be done without crossing said yellow line, where said yellow line is on your side of the centre line (there are exceptions involving non-motorised vehicles).

[MSTRS]

Yes, it is legal. Yellow centre lines only prohibit overtaking moving vehicles unless it can be done without crossing said yellow line, where said yellow line is on your side of the centre line (there are exceptions involving non-motorised vehicles).

Double yellows were mentioned. That suggests that there is a visibility problem in both directions at that point. Whilst it may not be illegal to turn across those lines, it could hardly be considered advisable. Especially dodgy to actually lie in wait where such lines exist.

[scumdog]

Double yellows were mentioned. That suggests that there is a visibility problem in both directions at that point. Whilst it may not be illegal to turn across those lines, it could hardly be considered advisable. Especially dodgy to actually lie in wait where such lines exist.

More so if your dealing with dumb-arses that are thick enough to cross said yellow lines when there's a cop car parked right there.....

[What?]

No argument there. Just because something is legal, it doesn't necessarily make it OK.

[idb]

A Subaru Justy has plenty of rear vision, and they're economical.
The cops could set an example for us all...increase your vision, reduce your carbon footprint.

[MSTRS]

More so if your dealing with dumb-arses that are thick enough to cross said yellow lines when there's a cop car parked right there.....

Ah, I see. It takes a dumb-arse to catch one? Is this official policy, or are the troops allowed to decide how dumb they want to be?

[Mr Merde]

...Simple thing is the cops' adrenelin kicks in when he gets into pursuit mode,....

According to the cops down on the west coast its not a pursuit unless the person being chased is aware of the fact. This was as stated by an Inspector of police when interviwed after the Buller Gorge incedent.

[scumdog]

Ah, I see. It takes a dumb-arse to catch one? Is this official policy, or are the troops allowed to decide how dumb they want to be?

Ya lost me there - where did imply it took 'a dumb-arse to catch one?':wacko:

Or are you just being obtuse??

[scumdog]

A Subaru Justy has plenty of rear vision, and they're economical.
The cops could set an example for us all...increase your vision, reduce your carbon footprint.

And waaay easier to park on front of the do-nut shop too!!

[MSTRS]

Ya lost me there - where did imply it took 'a dumb-arse to catch one?':wacko:

Or are you just being obtuse??

Not I. You can't seriously think that u-turning on double yellows is an intelligent thing to do?

[nadroj]

Most sections of the passing lanes in that area are single yellow on the double (passing) lane side.

[Mikkel]

Nothing wrong with Subaru Justys! Check out the one they have at Crowe Sport here in Chch - lovely little rally car.

They do quarter miles too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2diPvW49Ow

[idb]

Nothing wrong with Subaru Justys! Check out the one they have at Crowe Sport here in Chch - lovely little rally car.

They do quarter miles too:


They'd be an ideal pursuit car, I can imagine dozens of them, each with one of those little blue bacons from the '70s on the roof, heehaw sirens blaring and chasing after John Aykroyd and John Belushi, crashing into piles of cardboard boxes, through shop windows and into each other.
That'd give the cops their respect back!!

[Skyryder]

According to the cops down on the west coast its not a pursuit unless the person being chased is aware of the fact. This was as stated by an Inspector of police when interviwed after the Buller Gorge incedent.


By this explanation you can do a runner and when caught claim that you did not know that you were being pusued. Interesting..................


Skyryder

[MSTRS]

Just thought I'd mention that IDLE COP gets you POLICED....

[TimeOut]

I've seen cops do "emergancy u turns" to catch speeders.

Do they pull over to the left, check that both ways are clear and then procede to indicate (for 3 seconds iirc) then go when it is clear?

HELL NO! Damn speeder would get away. They just jam the brakes on, turn the wheel if no cars are coming the other way.

Freeking dangerous coonts.

Hell they don't even worry about cars coming the other way, my son had to lock up to avoid one.:headbang:

[twotyred]

so what was the outcome of this? I don't remember hearing about this cnut having his Blue balls nailed to the wall...? did I just miss it?....... TUI!

[idb]

I've seen cops do "emergancy u turns" to catch speeders.

Do they pull over to the left, check that both ways are clear and then procede to indicate (for 3 seconds iirc) then go when it is clear?

HELL NO! Damn speeder would get away. They just jam the brakes on, turn the wheel if no cars are coming the other way.

Freeking dangerous coonts.

Yeah, they're all the same...bastards!!!

[Toaster]

Whatever happened to handbrake sliding the patrol car around?

Geez standards have dropped...............

[HenryDorsetCase]

God I used to love doing handbrake turns when I worked for the gummint and they provided a car. I'm not allowed to do them anymore :(

[southernmike]

Maybe they should put an 'I turn often' sign on the back of patrol cars or even the one I was going to put on my bus 'If you can't see me in my mirrors...you're fucked!'.

[Sanx]

Would it be acceptable for a member of a Police armed response unit to accidentally shoot and maim a passer-by? Would the officer concerned be allowed to continue as an armed officer until the resulting investigation had been completed?

I fail to see why the two situations should be treated any differently. In this case and the two like it last year, as well as in my hypothetical situation, the officer concerned showed a monumental lack of judgement. If an officer really is capable of performing highly suspect manouvers in order to secure some extra revenue, then he should be stood down from driving until the results of the SCU investigation have been completed. And if he's shown to have caused the accident due to his desire to start a pursuit, he should never be allowed to drive a Police vehicle again.

[peasea]

Would it be acceptable for a member of a Police armed response unit to accidentally shoot and maim a passer-by? Would the officer concerned be allowed to continue as an armed officer until the resulting investigation had been completed?

I fail to see why the two situations should be treated any differently. In this case and the two like it last year, as well as in my hypothetical situation, the officer concerned showed a monumental lack of judgement. If an officer really is capable of performing highly suspect manouvers in order to secure some extra revenue, then he should be stood down from driving until the results of the SCU investigation have been completed. And if he's shown to have caused the accident due to his desire to start a pursuit, he should never be allowed to drive a Police vehicle again.

The police tell us (and rightly so) that motor vehicles are potential weapons. When in the wrong hands (drunk, too loose etc) they can and do kill people, just like guns. We aren't about to remove guns or cars from society so accidents will continue to happen and when they do the people who operate the weapon need to be made accountable for their actions, regardless of their occupation. Hiding behind the "execution of their duty" mantra is not on.

Doing a u-turn on any road, be it a back road or state highway, is a dangerous operation and you must be 100% sure that you are doing it as safely as possible. Had the officers been on motorcycles I doubt that they would have been so careless. Some are behaving like blinkered cowboys in the pursuit of their 'performance expectation' with a callous disregard for anything or anyone to get their tickets written up.

However, the police have a whitewashing juggernaut in the form of the PCA to cover everything up so mark my words; nothing will happen.

[peasea]

Maybe they should put an 'I turn often' sign on the back of patrol cars or even the one I was going to put on my bus 'If you can't see me in my mirrors...you're fucked!'.

Or "I turn often with warning or looking"

[Indoo]

However, the police have a whitewashing juggernaut in the form of the PCA to cover everything up so mark my words; nothing will happen.

Yeh just like how 'nothing' happened to the cop who injured the biker doing a U Turn down the line.

[peasea]

Yeh just like how 'nothing' happened to the cop who injured the biker doing a U Turn down the line.

Just because he's been committed to stand trial doesn't mean anything will happen.

We live in hope of equality though. And I assume you mean the Buller Gorge incident?

[ElCoyote]

Manapouri!

I can play this game too!

Not difficult to turn your head, before you turn your car though is it?

Personapouri in this sad PC day and age. When Sue Bradford is in charge it will be thingapouri.......................or something like that

[ElCoyote]

Ya lost me there - where did imply it took 'a dumb-arse to catch one?':wacko:

Or are you just being obtuse??

Spurious Tom, not obtuse

[ElCoyote]

God I used to love doing handbrake turns when I worked for the gummint and they provided a car. I'm not allowed to do them anymore :(


You WORKED for the Gummint, hell man you deserve a medal or else certifying, as you would have been the only one working. :2thumbsup