Nearly busted for flashing

[shafty]

(No NOT that sort); Coming back from Hamilton to Tauranga in the company Subaru this arvo, 5.00pm'ish, encountered the 1st cop, unmarked, and allowed him to pass me coming into Cambridge. Next cop detected on predictable Karapiro straights, the Escort 8500 picking him up in heaps of time. Up the hill and around the bend, and I turn left, as you do, on to the Hinuera straights. As I turn left, another Patrol Car slots in behind me from the Rotorua direction, no drama's, the cruise control set for 100, - they use me as a bit of a shield, the Patrol car hugging the left (I'm dead centre of the left lane), and every time an oncoming car appears, I hear a burst of radar thru the detector - as you'd expect.

I flashed a few cars as they appeared in the distance, to give them a sporting chance... as I'd hope someone would for me.......then WHOOPS, spot an unmarked blue Maxima among the oncoming bunch - BUGGER, nothing happens, so carry on - almost predictably, 2 minutes later, the Patrol car following me pulls me over and has me on. She was PISSED and had an attitude! - clearly Mr Maxima was on the RT to her! I had a vague excuse "geez, I hit the wipers, must've got the wrong stalk" - anyway after much droning (her) she gave me a smack-on-the-hand for "Inappropriate use of headlights" which will be recorded in case I do it again. (Not that I admitted it)

I guess the 3 minutes of being humble, saved me the $150 fine she kept going on about. Boy did she want her pound of flesh!

From there I saw at least 3 more patrol cars, - but of course, -------- the end of the month looms, - get out there Guys and start writing some revenue!

Felt sorry for the Thurs night crew spotted coming up the other side of the kaimais!!

[The Pastor]

its agaisnt the rules to flash cars?

[scumdog]

Ah flashit-gnashit!

I flash my headlights at cars all the time at random out on the road.

Sometimes I do it in my work car too.

[Disco Dan]

its agaisnt the rules to flash cars?

Only if your not wearing your bra.

[Jantar]

Ah flashit-gnashit!

I flash my headlights at cars all the time at random out on the road.

Sometimes I do it in my work car too.


Good on you scummy. :first:

I recall a case some years back where a motorist was charged with "Obstructing a constable in the execution of his duty" for flashing his lights at oncoming cars.

He defended it and was found "Not Guilty". His defence was that he didn't obstruct any police officer as there was no evidence that any of the cars he flashed were speeding, and therefore the police officer had no reason to give any of a speeding ticket.

As I recall, his lawyer challenged the prosecuting witness ( I think it was the officer concerned) to name, or identify, a single motorist who was speeding, but reduced his/her speed to below the limit because of being flashed, and to say what that person's speed was before being flashed and after. Then in summary the proposition was put to the judge "If my client does see someone who is doing wrong, is it an offense to tell them to stop doing it?"

The case was dismissed.

A similar case in Rotorua around the same time saw the defendant plea guilty.

I believe I would defend such a charge. :innocent:

[skidMark]

Geez sounds like a full bacon breafast in the raunga.

[Insanity_rules]

Yeah, I kinda stumbled into this thread thinking wtf???? Cut a long story short, fines suck, good on you for warning other drivers and wise to take a spanking for the sake of a potential fine. :spanking:

I find a genuine sounding sorry and a shut mouth normally works better with a frazzled copper than coming out all atitude.

[scumdog]

Yeah, I kinda stumbled into this thread thinking wtf???? Cut a long story short, fines suck, good on you for warning other drivers and wise to take a spanking for the sake of a potential fine. :spanking:

I find a genuine sounding sorry and a shut mouth normally works better with a frazzled copper than coming out all atitude.

Nothing works on me - my 'loser-liar' alert device cuts in as soon as they open their mouth.....

And if they use the words "I was just.." - they're screwed.

[skidMark]

Nothing works on me - my 'loser-liar' alert device cuts in as soon as they open their mouth.....

And if they use the words "I was just.." - they're screwed.

So what does get them out of it.

Ive been pulled over 39 times in 3 years..... i must be pretty good at bullshitting my way out of things. Usually riding away without a fine, they arnt as nice once you turn 18 though :gob:

[Insanity_rules]

Nothing works on me - my 'loser-liar' alert device cuts in as soon as they open their mouth.....

And if they use the words "I was just.." - they're screwed.

I never realised, is you a copper Scumdog?

[skidMark]

I never realised, is you a copper Scumdog?


You don't pay much attention around here do ya.

[Insanity_rules]

You don't pay much attention around here do ya.

Yeah I drop in and out!

[scumdog]

So what does get them out of it.

Ive been pulled over 39 times in 3 years..... i must be pretty good at bullshitting my way out of things. Usually riding away without a fine, they arnt as nice once you turn 18 though :gob:

I'd say it was time you called in around here, I could educate you..

[DingoZ]

I'd say it was time you called in around here, I could educate you..

:eek: Where the tickets being sold at.....Fark it I'll pay to see that....:)

[Big Dave]

- they're screwed.

If they flash?

Man! you mainlander have weird custom.

[CookMySock]

haha, yeah right "$150 fine lol - bring it, bitch.." see you in court. GFY!:baby: /me rides off.

pigs have no right to stop you simply for an angry dressing down on the roadside.

Sorry(sarcasm) that flashing ruins their day, but that is stiff bikkie. Get a life and go get some fucking drunk loser off the road so we can all relax, and quit picking fights they can't win.

Sharpen up, pigs. Your ability to actually assist normal law-abiding citizens is fucking piss-poor.

DB

[CookMySock]

Nothing works on me - my 'loser-liar' alert device cuts in as soon as they open their mouth.....

And if they use the words "I was just.." - they're screwed.

Really ? "losers and liars ay ?" Can you pm me your officer number please.

I will take this further.


DB

[scumdog]

If they flash?

Man! you mainlander have weird custom.

Mwahah! Of course not - they can flash their lights until they get r.s.i. for all I care...

[scumdog]

haha, yeah right "$150 fine lol - bring it, bitch.." see you in court. GFY!:baby: /me rides off.

pigs have no right to stop you simply for an angry dressing down on the roadside.

Sorry(sarcasm) that flashing ruins their day, but that is stiff bikkie. Get a life and go get some fucking drunk loser off the road so we can all relax, and quit picking fights they can't win.

Sharpen up, pigs. Your ability to actually assist normal law-abiding citizens is fucking piss-poor.

DB

Wow!
Those carefully considered comments have really influenced how I work from now on...I'll bear them in mind while working tonight:rolleyes:

[Str8 Jacket]

Really ? "losers and liars ay ?" Can you pm me your officer number please.

I will take this further.


DB

You're new around here arent ya?

[Finn]

I flash my lights all the time even when there's no cops in sight. It's nice to get waved at. Makes me feel special.

[BIHB@0610]

At the end of the day flashing someone has a similar effect to them seeing a cop, doesn't it? Either one will slow people down, and I might be wrong but I thought that was the point? It does give you a bit of a wake up call too, when it happens, and I tend to drive a bit slower for quite a while afterwards.

And the most important thing (hehe) it gives everyone warm fuzzies - a nice community feeling out on the open road .... awwwww :grouphug:

[scumdog]

I flash my lights all the time even when there's no cops in sight. It's nice to get waved at. Makes me feel special.

I woulda given you red bling and call you a wanker for that 'cos when I posted the same thing about four years ago somebody gave me red bling and called me a wanker.:pinch::crybaby:

But at the moment I can't give you bling of any sort.:(

[merv]

I woulda given you red bling and call you a wanker for that 'cos when I posted the same thing about four years ago somebody gave me red bling and called me a wanker.:pinch::crybaby:


Geez there's no pleasing some people eh Scummy :no:

[shafty]

I'd say it was time you called in around here, I could educate you..

THAT would explain the Red Rep! Peace Brother :yes:

[ipod1098]

haha, yeah right "$150 fine lol - bring it, bitch.." see you in court. GFY!:baby: /me rides off.

pigs have no right to stop you simply for an angry dressing down on the roadside.

Sorry(sarcasm) that flashing ruins their day, but that is stiff bikkie. Get a life and go get some fucking drunk loser off the road so we can all relax, and quit picking fights they can't win.

Sharpen up, pigs. Your ability to actually assist normal law-abiding citizens is fucking piss-poor.

DB
:rofl::rofl::rofl:
FTP Flash on!!

[Finn]

haha, yeah right "$150 fine lol - bring it, bitch.." see you in court. GFY!:baby: /me rides off.

pigs have no right to stop you simply for an angry dressing down on the roadside.

Sorry(sarcasm) that flashing ruins their day, but that is stiff bikkie. Get a life and go get some fucking drunk loser off the road so we can all relax, and quit picking fights they can't win.

Sharpen up, pigs. Your ability to actually assist normal law-abiding citizens is fucking piss-poor.

DB

Lay down on the couch and let's start with your childhood...

[Ixion]

Easy answer on a bike (either at the road side or in court) . " I identified the oncoming as a mufti, and given the number of motorcyclists you guys take out, I wanted to make quite sure he was aware I was there "

I doubt that a defended case could succeed, unless the rider admitted it. People flash tehir lights for all sorts of things .

[Marmoot]

its agaisnt the rules to flash cars?

No, but you might come across the Bloodz gang initiates who might turn around and kill you.

See latest email craze (got 4 so far in the last week) at http://www.snopes.com/horrors/madmen/lightsout.asp

[Coyote]

:eek: Where the tickets being sold at.....Fark it I'll pay to see that....:)
Tickets are sold by all good HP cars :niceone:

[Coyote]

I doubt that a defended case could succeed, unless the rider admitted it. People flash tehir lights for all sorts of things .
Had a mufti cop flash their lights at me since I had forgotten to turn mine on (2 stroke kick start, lights drain power, 10m down the road, I'm not an idiot).

[Str8 Jacket]

A cop flashed his headlights at us on the way to Manfeild on Sunday. Didnt slow down till we were a bit closer and could see tha car as thought that he was a citizen warning us of the Police. we werent exceeding the limit *too* much but he could've pulled us over but didnt.....

[scumdog]

Easy answer on a bike (either at the road side or in court) . " I identified the oncoming as a mufti, and given the number of motorcyclists you guys take out, I wanted to make quite sure he was aware I was there "

I doubt that a defended case could succeed, unless the rider admitted it. People flash tehir lights for all sorts of things .

Hmm, not many muftis have taken out bikes - but I get your point.

[Ixion]

Well, yeah. That was a poke in the eye :Pokey:. Don't worry, if y' put a black patch over both eyes, the pain and watering will stop in a few weeks, and y' can continue working as normal in the meantime.

Can be a perfectly serious response in such a case though, mulfti or no. "Well, one of the cars in the group looked to me like he might be thinking of pulling out to overtake. I wanted to make sure he was aware that I was there, so that he didn't. I'm a very cautious , safe driver, and a lot of fatal accidents are caused when a car crosses the centre line into opposing traffic. It's good defensive driving to advertise your presence". (Which it is - I flash for that reason all the time)

BTW, noone has asked the most pertinent question. What on earth was the OP doing letting a snakemobile follow him like that. I *never* let myself be followed by a cop, no matter how law abiding I may think I am . Always pull over, or go down a side street. Don't like being behind them either. Take another route. (And remember, the buggers have rearward radar, too).

No matter how well you're obeying the law , there's always *something* they can get you on . And may be will if they're short on quota. Not to mention that Cunstable Cunt is still out there and he hates bikes on principle.

[jahrasti]

Really ? "losers and liars ay ?" Can you pm me your officer number please.

I will take this further.


DB

Do you want mine? M007 dum-dum-dum-do-dodo-do( in best james Bond theme music)

[SPman]

It's good defensive driving to advertise your presence". (Which it is - I flash for that reason all the time)

Isn't that why they were put on cars, in the first place.

[Patrick]

No, but you might come across the Bloodz gang initiates who might turn around and kill you.

See latest email craze (got 4 so far in the last week) at http://www.snopes.com/horrors/madmen/lightsout.asp

Funny what some people will believe if they read it.... Yet another crock of ....

[Patrick]

Really ? "losers and liars ay ?" Can you pm me your officer number please.

I will take this further.


DB

Taking it further? To the Loser and Liar Council? Let them know their dirty secret is out. They've been sprung. We know they are out there.....

[spudchucka]

Really ? "losers and liars ay ?" Can you pm me your officer number please.

I will take this further.


DB

It's called a badge number dude and Scummies almost as far away from Edgcumbe as you can get, how much further could you want to take it?

[toebug]

I was in the tauranga crew riding over the hill that night! Thanks to all of you who flashed there lights at us! We saw 3 coppers in a 45k stretch, the first we saw and had nbbed someone, the 2nd we got flashed for, the 3rd was passed at high speed by several of us and they didnt bother to turn and chase even though they probably new we were going to the local for a quiet one! That one must have gotten its quota or was at the end of the shift!

[jimbo600]

I've been flashed heaps of times by marked HP cars. Usually its alternating headlights flashing accompanied by a flashing red light, flashing blue light etc etc etc

[NZsarge]

(No NOT that sort); As I turn left, another Patrol Car slots in behind me from the Rotorua direction, no drama's, the cruise control set for 100, - they use me as a bit of a shield, the Patrol car hugging the left


I guess the 3 minutes of being humble, saved me the $150 fine she kept going on about. Boy did she want her pound of flesh!

From there I saw at least 3 more patrol cars, - but of course, -------- the end of the month looms, - get out there Guys and start writing some revenue!

Should have told her to fuck off and use someone else as a sheild and drop the attitude will your at it! *smile* Say it with a smile though.

I *never* let myself be followed by a cop, no matter how law abiding I may think I am . Always pull over, or go down a side street. Don't like being behind them either. Take another route. (And remember, the buggers have rearward radar, too).

No matter how well you're obeying the law , there's always *something* they can get you on . And may be will if they're short on quota.
*sigh* it seems to be so, fuck that's sad is'nt it?

[Jerms]

And if they use the words "I was just.." - they're screwed.

Ahhh, so back at the staging post when you kept saying, "I was just gonna head off to bed..." :apint:

[scumdog]

Ahhh, so back at the staging post when you kept saying, "I was just gonna head off to bed..." :apint:

Yup, you could tell I was screwed eh!!:woohoo::drinkup::yawn:

[pete376403]

Is there really an offence "inappropriate use of the headlights" on the books or do some cops just make them up as they go along?

[fredie]

your better too not say anything too the cops on the side of the road . you give your licence . and the owner of the car or bike . and thats it :oi-grr: the law states u have the rights too say nothing :msn-wink:

[Nagash]

No matter how well you're obeying the law , there's always *something* they can get you on . And may be will if they're short on quota. Not to mention that Cunstable Cunt is still out there and he hates bikes on principle.

Ain't that the truth.. My old man once got pulled over for a routine stop, cop took an instant disliking to him and he got tagged with 'Lack of window washing fluid'

Took it to court and got it dissipated.. but there's always something. That could man that cops are tight bastards, or that they are regularly really kind by letting you off on such potential hazards :2thumbsup Tui anyone?

[NZIrish]

It's called a badge number dude and Scummies almost as far away from Edgcumbe as you can get, how much further could you want to take it?

Dont they call it a 'QID' anymore, .....last car I flashed at I was done for indecent exposure, female judge let me off as she was 'very impressed with my evidence' bbbbbbwahahaha

[NZIrish]

Ive heard...and this could well be bull shit.... that you can take a new car straight off the assembly line and fine something wrong with it that could impose a fine

[skidMark]

Ive heard...and this could well be bull shit.... that you can take a new car straight off the assembly line and fine something wrong with it that could impose a fine

Well yeah... ie unregistered vehicle LOL

[NZIrish]

see I new it....LOL

[spudchucka]

Dont they call it a 'QID' anymore, .....last car I flashed at I was done for indecent exposure, female judge let me off as she was 'very impressed with my evidence' bbbbbbwahahaha

Nah man it's definitely a badge number, and you need at least three spotty teenage mates with cell phone cameras pointed at the cop threatening to send their footage to TV3 before the cop will give it to you.

[WarlockNZ]

Is there really an offence "inappropriate use of the headlights" on the books or do some cops just make them up as they go along?

Not the I can find

http://www.knowledge-basket.co.nz/regs/regs/text/2004/2004448.txt

I could be wrong tho ... LOL .. i'm not invested with the power of the state and cant pull people over .. sometimes wish i could tho ...

I reckon the cops should make us all civil officers with the ability to issue infringements .. man, that amount of money i could make ticketing cars not up to warrantable standard boggles the mind.

LOL

[sinned]

I flashed a few cars as they appeared in the distance, to give them a sporting chance... as I'd hope someone would for me.......then WHOOPS, spot an unmarked blue Maxima among the oncoming bunch - BUGGER, nothing happens, so carry on - almost predictably, 2 minutes later, the Patrol car following me pulls me over and has me on. She was PISSED and had an attitude! - - anyway after much droning (her) she gave me a smack-on-the-hand for "Inappropriate use of headlights" which will be recorded in case I do it again.



Is loss of ticketing opportunity and the loss of revenue the real reason they are planning to ban the use of radar detectors? As there is no evidence drivers/riders who use detectors have more accidents.

[Swoop]

Dont they call it a 'QID' anymore
So, what would "QID" stand for then?

[pritch]

is you a copper Scumdog?

Does the Pope shit in the woods?

[Madness]

So, what would "QID" stand for then?

I think it refers to a mandatory field in the old Wanganui Computer System. Whenever entering details (i.e name (Q.P) or rego (QVR)) to be queried, the system asks for the QID of the officer requesting the data.

[civil]

So, what would "QID" stand for then?

'Queen's Identification' or QID

Whether the cop has one depends on whether he/she is acting in the capacity of a 'Peace Officer', or 'Police Officer'. One is charged with upholding the LAW, the other enforces STATUES.

[swbarnett]

Nah man it's definitely a badge number, and you need at least three spotty teenage mates with cell phone cameras pointed at the cop threatening to send their footage to TV3 before the cop will give it to you.
The way I heard it a police officer is legally required to provide their badge number when asked for it, no matter who's doing the asking. Have I been misinformed?

[spudchucka]

'Queen's Identification' or QID

Whether the cop has one depends on whether he/she is acting in the capacity of a 'Peace Officer', or 'Police Officer'. One is charged with upholding the LAW, the other enforces STATUES.

:no::no::no::no::no::no::no:

[spudchucka]

The way I heard it a police officer is legally required to provide their badge number when asked for it, no matter who's doing the asking. Have I been misinformed?

Heard it? Shouldn't an expert like yourself be doing their own research on such an important subject?

Anyway, the cop's "badge number" is on their shoulder for anyone who may be interested to see, you don't even have to ask. If the cop is in plain clothes then there are circumstances in which they must produce their police ID, which funnily enough isn't a badge but does have QID on it.

[onearmedbandit]

Ain't that the truth.. My old man once got pulled over for a routine stop, cop took an instant disliking to him and he got tagged with 'Lack of window washing fluid'

Took it to court and got it dissipated.. but there's always something. That could man that cops are tight bastards, or that they are regularly really kind by letting you off on such potential hazards :2thumbsup Tui anyone?

I checked the date of your post but it wasn't April the 1st.

[swbarnett]

Heard it? Shouldn't an expert like yourself be doing their own research on such an important subject?
I don't mean to come across as a "know-it-all". I'm actually quite open to opposing views (most of the time) and enjoy learning from those like yourself with their finger a bit closer to the pulse.

[spudchucka]

I don't mean to come across as a "know-it-all". I'm actually quite open to opposing views (most of the time) and enjoy learning from those like yourself with their finger a bit closer to the pulse.

Section 41, Police Act 1958


Evidence of right to hold office

If any question arises as to the right of any member of the Police to hold or execute his office, common reputation shall be evidence of that right, and it shall not be necessary to have or produce any written appointment or other document or matter whatsoever in proof of that right.

There are statutory requirements under various Acts where a police officer must identify themselves, (when executing a power of search under Section 18(2) of the Misuse of Drugs Act for instance).

The accepted method of providing your identity is to say, "I am constable XYZ from the ABC Police Station". You are not required to provide any more information than that, however as I said earlier a plain clothes police officer would be required to produce their police ID and a uniform officer would be wearing their ID number on their shoulder epaulette..

[swbarnett]

Section 41, Police Act 1958 ...
Well, that clears that up. Much appreciated.

[unrealone]

I too have been flashed by numerous HP cars - not quite sure what they're trying to tell me.

Sounds like typical bullshit from Mr Plod.

[McDuck]

I too have been flashed by numerous HP cars - not quite sure what they're trying to tell me.

Sounds like typical bullshit from Mr Plod.

Or 'i am goign to give this dude a chance to help himself out of a ticket.

[homer]

me and a mate on his road bike one time got the coppers top lights flash a couple of times . we were heading towards him and hes pointing in the window with a downward finger .
Guess it ment to slow down
we were siting on 140 k at the time

[CookMySock]

It's called a badge number dude and Scummies almost as far away from Edgcumbe as you can get, how much further could you want to take it?members of any government agency, particularly the police, will emphatically NOT call members of the public losers and liars while in a public forum. If they want to do this on their weekly piss drinking sessions then that is fine. This was public.

The easy way to resolve this is to pm me the badge number. The hard way is to involve the media. I WILL report this, and I will do it the easy or the hard way, or the really hard way. His call.

Badge number please ?

DB

[McDuck]

members of any government agency, particularly the police, will emphatically NOT call members of the public losers and liars while in a public forum. If they want to do this on their weekly piss drinking sessions then that is fine. This was public.

The easy way to resolve this is to pm me the badge number. The hard way is to involve the media. I WILL report this, and I will do it the easy or the hard way, or the really hard way. His call.

Badge number please ?

DB

Are you fucked in the head or somthing?

[spudchucka]

members of any government agency, particularly the police, will emphatically NOT call members of the public losers and liars while in a public forum. If they want to do this on their weekly piss drinking sessions then that is fine. This was public.

The easy way to resolve this is to pm me the badge number. The hard way is to involve the media. I WILL report this, and I will do it the easy or the hard way, or the really hard way. His call.

Badge number please ?

DB

Re-read his post. Did he call any actual person a loser or a liar? No. He said he had a loser & liar detector, which most cops do, most also have blow hard detectors fitted too.

You never know though, it might be a slow enough news week that some media moron somewhere will jump on a story where an online persona that may or may not be a cop made a general comment on an internet forum about being able to tell when a person is lying.

Why don't you ask Scummie to explain "Jousting at Windmills" instead?

[spudchucka]

Are you fucked in the head or somthing?

Take it easy man, he's from Edgecumbe, which is sort of like the Gore of the Bay of Plenty.

[McDuck]

Take it easy man, he's from Edgecumbe, which is sort of like the Gore of the Bay of Plenty.

I am glad i left...

[scumdog]

members of any government agency, particularly the police, will emphatically NOT call members of the public losers and liars while in a public forum. If they want to do this on their weekly piss drinking sessions then that is fine. This was public.

The easy way to resolve this is to pm me the badge number. The hard way is to involve the media. I WILL report this, and I will do it the easy or the hard way, or the really hard way. His call.

Badge number please ?

DB

Are you for real??:gob:

Or maybe you're the PC Police and wished me to refer my detector as a "non-winner and untruthfulness detector"??:whocares:

Or was the description uncomfortably close to the bone?? :shutup:

Whatever, bring on the 'media' if you feel it will help (help what???), I don't give a fat rats arse sunshine.....:innocent:



(Loser and liar detector becoming agitated on reading the quoted post.:yawn:.)

[Tank]

members of any government agency, particularly the police, will emphatically NOT call members of the public losers and liars while in a public forum. If they want to do this on their weekly piss drinking sessions then that is fine. This was public.

The easy way to resolve this is to pm me the badge number. The hard way is to involve the media. I WILL report this, and I will do it the easy or the hard way, or the really hard way. His call.

Badge number please ?

DB


Involve the Media??? - what are you some 45 yo menopausal, oxygen starved, P addicted, ass faced fuckwit?

If your not - thats exactly how you are coming across.

Pull your head in, go fuck some goats or whatever it is you friends in the media report on down there.

Pick a battle that is at least worth having.

Someone called me a name on the interweb -- -waaa waaa waaa - HTFU!

[McDuck]

Involve the Media??? - what are you some 45 yo menopausal, oxygen starved, P addicted, ass faced fuckwit?

If your not - thats exactly how you are coming across.

Pull your head in, go fuck some goats or whatever it is you friends in the media report on down there.

Pick a battle that is at least worth having.

Someone called me a name on the interweb -- -waaa waaa waaa - HTFU!

Bet he comes from ruitoki

[Mikkel]

:eek: :corn:

[Dutchee]

Back at intermediate school (yeah, I've got a good memory) we had a cop come and talk to us. These were the days where police and traffic were separated. He was traffic.
Two things I remember from his talk.
1. He commented he flashed his lights when off-duty even if there was no cop nearby - he reckoned if it slowed someone and saved their life, it was worth it. I think he did comment (even back then) it was illegal, but understood - this is 30+ years ago.
2. COP wasn't insulting - he read it as "car on patrol".

[Coldrider]

So it is illegal for a motorist to remind a fellow motorist of his speed then.

[CookMySock]

Are you for real??:gob:
yup. Final request - badge number please, and the "name calling by police officer" leaves the Internet right now, or else it goes international. Your call.


Whatever, bring on the 'media' if you feel it will help (help what???), I don't give a fat rats arse sunshine.....:innocent:
nup you don't do you - spoken like a true officer o' the law. NEVER has any police officer actually done anything to assist me when I was victimised, yet they trip me on any administrative triviality at every opportunity, while simultaneously accusing me of wronging half of collective society. :bleh:

You are beaten this time, how does it feel ?

DB

[jimbo600]

DB, your pushing shit uphill here. There's no way any media or PCA or anybody is going to give a fuckeroo about a glib comment by a cop on a internet biker forum.

And I doubt very much that Scummy is crying into his Emmerson Oatmeal stout over it either.

[Tank]

yup. Final request - badge number please, and the "name calling by police officer" leaves the Internet right now, or else it goes international. Your call.

DB

I can see it now - (picture the head of Reuters in a management team meeting)

"Look guys - we need some real news:

The war in Iraq - old news,
Prince Harry in Afghanistan - well hes home now,
The democratic nominations in the US - not news worthy,

Hang on HOLD THE PRESS - some coppa in NZ apparently made a slightly glib statement on the Internet. Lets make this international people!!!!!

This is big!!!!! This is HUGE!!!!!!"

Actually - This is STUPID!!!!

oh - and MODS - isnt there some rule about threatening people on here?? (not that ScumDog is worried Im sure)

[Mikkel]

Actually - This is STUPID!!!!

oh - and MODS - isnt there some rule about threatening people on here?? (not that ScumDog is worried Im sure)

Yes, it is stupid.

He is however not threatening anyone with anything illegal as I see it. So I doubt he's in violation of the forum rules.

Anyway, I'll shut up and take my seat...

:corn:

[Jantar]

.....oh - and MODS - isnt there some rule about threatening people on here?? (not that ScumDog is worried Im sure)

Yes there is, but in this case DB is sort of pointing a loaded gun at his own head and threatening to pull the trigger. I'm not sure that we can infract him for that. :clap:

[Fatjim]

DB, your pushing shit uphill here. There's no way any media or PCA or anybody is going to give a fuckeroo about a glib comment by a cop on a internet biker forum.

And I doubt very much that Scummy is crying into his Emmerson Oatmeal stout over it either.

Actually James, this ain't a glib comment, it's more like a broken fucking record.

[jimbo600]

Actually James, this ain't a glib comment, it's more like a broken fucking record.

James??? Last time I was called James I was about to get spanked.

[Fatjim]

No thanks mate, but good on you to offer.

[MSTRS]

pigs have no right
Sharpen up, pigs.

Actually, I see a bit of gratuitous name-calling right here


...relax, and quit picking fights they can't win.

hmmmm


Your ability to actually assist normal law-abiding citizens is fucking piss-poor.

There is some truth in this at times...http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1225675&postcount=2236

[MSTRS]

But will anyone answer the question as to what law is broken by flashing headlights??

[Dave_G]

Wow!
Those carefully considered comments have really influenced how I work from now on...I'll bear them in mind while working tonight:rolleyes:

Problem is that your attitude is exactly why so many people hold the police in such contempt these days. The post that started this thread illustrates to me that policing is beyond most of the police force these days. Sitting on your collective asses in a car with a radar is the easy way out, get out of it from time to time and police a few other road laws, see how that goes. When was the last time anyone saw the police seriously police intersection laws? Never is when, because that would involve actually doing something, not just reading the paper and waiting for the radar to do the job for you. If the great "get the speeder" strategy was actually working it might hekp your case, but it aint, the stats are getting worse not better while you lot sit on your asses with a speed gun. Frankly, you don't deserve any respect from the community because you aren't earning it, until you do I'll continue to do everything I can to obstruct you.

[Steam]

Problem is that your attitude is exactly why so many people hold the police in such contempt these days.....
You are OUT OF YOUR MIND. Scummy is one of the good guys.

[CookMySock]

[very relevant stuff snipped for brevity..] Frankly, you don't deserve any respect from the community because you aren't earning it, until you do I'll continue to do everything I can to obstruct you.Anyone got a nutshell I can put this in ? Absolutely spot on. :first:

DB

[onearmedbandit]

Yeah Scummy, I agree with these guys. About time you and your lot re-wrote the rules on policing, the last set you frontline guys drafted up must be really embarassing the top brass and government. I mean how in the hell did they give the responsibility of creating the policy on policing to you guys in the first place, all you do is sit in your cars all day on your fat arses with a speed gun.

[Steam]

yup. Final request - badge number please, and the "name calling by police officer" leaves the Internet right now, or else it goes international. Your call.

nup you don't do you - spoken like a true officer o' the law. NEVER has any police officer actually done anything to assist me when I was victimised, yet they trip me on any administrative triviality at every opportunity, while simultaneously accusing me of wronging half of collective society. :bleh:

You are beaten this time, how does it feel ?

DB


members of any government agency, particularly the police, will emphatically NOT call members of the public losers and liars while in a public forum. If they want to do this on their weekly piss drinking sessions then that is fine. This was public.

The easy way to resolve this is to pm me the badge number. The hard way is to involve the media. I WILL report this, and I will do it the easy or the hard way, or the really hard way. His call.

Badge number please ?

DB

Holy fuck, are you for real, or just pretending to be a pathetic and lonely loser who jumps on a high horse and gets all "morally outraged" when an off-duty cops says shit in their own time, at home, on the net, not as a police officer?

Are you for real? Because if you are, you are one of the folk we need less of in this country.
You the very worst of the PC-screamers.
You are against free-speech.
Forget Helen Clark, you've gone far beyond her. I won't invoke Godwin's law, but that's where you're headed.
You are hateful, perhaps filled with some grudge born from another incident in the past.
Perhaps you're such a little man, so weak and powerless and ineffectual, that you feel the need to have a go at people on the internet, to make yourself feel big and tough, as you try to stir trouble.

I am astounded by your ignorance and wilful stirring.
I meet people like you maybe once every few years, and wonder how they got so old with common sense like that.

Why don't you shut the fuck up... and go out your front door and do something nice for someone.
Try to make things better in your desolate little town instead of trying to make the rest of NZ suck as much as your life must.

[Kickaha]

You are OUT OF YOUR MIND. Scummy is one of the good guys.

That he is, fucking top bloke is Scummy


all you do is sit in your cars all day on your fat arses with a speed gun.

And Donuts

[McDuck]

Problem is that your attitude is exactly why so many people hold the police in such contempt these days. The post that started this thread illustrates to me that policing is beyond most of the police force these days. Sitting on your collective asses in a car with a radar is the easy way out, get out of it from time to time and police a few other road laws, see how that goes. When was the last time anyone saw the police seriously police intersection laws? Never is when, because that would involve actually doing something, not just reading the paper and waiting for the radar to do the job for you. If the great "get the speeder" strategy was actually working it might hekp your case, but it aint, the stats are getting worse not better while you lot sit on your asses with a speed gun. Frankly, you don't deserve any respect from the community because you aren't earning it, until you do I'll continue to do everything I can to obstruct you.

I get the fealing that scumdog is one of those cops who isnt a fuckwit,

[TimeOut]

Holy fuck, are you for real, or just pretending to be a pathetic and lonely loser who jumps on a high horse and gets all "morally outraged" when an off-duty cops says shit in their own time, at home, on the net, not as a police officer?

Are you for real? Because if you are, you are one of the folk we need less of in this country.
You the very worst of the PC-screamers.
You are against free-speech.
Forget Helen Clark, you've gone far beyond her. I won't invoke Godwin's law, but that's where you're headed.
You are hateful, perhaps filled with some grudge born from another incident in the past.
Perhaps you're such a little man, so weak and powerless and ineffectual, that you feel the need to have a go at people on the internet, to make yourself feel big and tough, as you try to stir trouble.

I am astounded by your ignorance and wilful stirring.
I meet people like you maybe once every few years, and wonder how they got so old with common sense like that.

Why don't you shut the fuck up... and go out your front door and do something nice for someone.
Try to make things better in your desolate little town instead of trying to make the rest of NZ suck as much as your life must.

+1 couldn't have said it better myself.

[McJim]

And if they use the words "I was just.." - they're screwed.

But, but but....I am always just....have you ever known me to be unfair?

[Ixion]

But, but but....I am always just....have you ever known me to be unfair?

Justice and the law are but indifferently acquainted. They pass by on opposite sides of the street, and should they meet, they salute, but do not embrace.

[spudchucka]

yup. Final request - badge number please, and the "name calling by police officer" leaves the Internet right now, or else it goes international. Your call.

Come on, the suspense is killing me. Do your worst, please!

[Mikkel]

Yeah you tell 'em Steam! :niceone:

At least when they're sitting in their cars with their radar guns and their doughnuts they won't be hanging around on street corners harrassing old ladies and causing trouble! Bloody coppers :rolleyes:

/shuffles off to find a good seat.
:corn:

[Mikkel]

You are OUT OF YOUR MIND. Scummy is one of the good guys.

Indeed what would the do at the Riviera of the South if their only police "helicopter" was sent of to sulk in the sin bin - or whatever the police force use to keep the troops in line... :rofl:

[McDuck]

Case in point, look at how long it took the local cop to flog the front Weill? Far out there are some bent cops out there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8COCPyB-go

[Waylander]

But will anyone answer the question as to what law is broken by flashing headlights??
More important question, does all this mean that we can get done for flashing our lights at some fuckwit too stupid to turn his brights off when approaching oncoming traffic?

[Ixion]

No. The law is almost entirely silent about flashing headlamps (in this context).

You could get done for flashing in such a way as to dazzle or blind oncoming traffic.

Otherwise , there is nothing about flashing them at all. At most they might be considered to have the same function as the horn - to alert other traffic to something they should be aware of,a warning signal. The visual equivalent of tooting.

As always the law is many years behind the fair, and has not gotten round to dealing with the practice.

Of course, if you are silly enough to ADMIT that you were flashing to warn motorists, there are several things they might charge you with (though it's doubtful any would stand up to a determined defence). Just as they could if you held up a sign saying "Radar cop ahead".

[scumdog]

yup. Final request - badge number please, and the "name calling by police officer" leaves the Internet right now, or else it goes international. Your call.

nup you don't do you - spoken like a true officer o' the law. NEVER has any police officer actually done anything to assist me when I was victimised, yet they trip me on any administrative triviality at every opportunity, while simultaneously accusing me of wronging half of collective society. :bleh:

You are beaten this time, how does it feel ?

DB
Shaking in my boots I am, shaking in my boots!!:lol::laugh::lol::killingme:clap:


BTW: How come those with the least number of posts always have the most to say - and in the most negative,abrasive and funny manner? (i.e Dave G and Dangerous Bastard)

And whose alter-ego IS DB? can mods check his authenticity - I mean c'mon, this guy can't be for real can he? eh? eh?

[mv.senna]

well, talk about false advertising. sigh. get home late after work, saw the title of this thread - thought, woohoo, flashing!! oh shit, someone nearly arrested/ticketed - uh oh, this might mean have to stop flashing the firemen, and other motorists. :devil2:

Sadly, as I have learned, not only was it a completely different kind of flashing, (sigh) but that halfway through, an un-educated hill-billy (not u scumdog lol)from tiny little ONE-COP town, trying to be a big tough guy has tried to use this thread as a mechanism to work thru his anger issues.
Clearly Einstein here has never grasped the concept of networking abilities available across governmental agencies - in this instance the NZ Police. Hello?? Lets see, doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that there's probably not that many folks down your way riding 650 hyosungs, and no doubt a quick search on the police pc's of the bike types and location would aid the process. Not suggesting that's what the law enforcement reps on this forum would do, since you're probably more like the human equivalent of a mozzie to them... but seriously dude?! good move shooting your mouth off like that:girlfight:

oh, and BTW: fair play Dumb whoops, DangerousBastard managing to negotiate the interweb thingy, and managing to spell words of more than one syllable. clearly yr sista-girlfriend's kept peddling fast enough to keep the power to your caravan going so you can post your "thoughts"...just wish she'd missed the pedals once or twice...


now. lets get back to the flashing!! will i get arrested for flashing the fireman's or what??!! :jerry:

[mv.senna]

oh, and p.s/FYI, altho I've been member for nearly 5 years, I don't post often - only bother when something really interests or irritates the fk outta me....

[McDuck]

oh, and p.s/FYI, altho I've been member for nearly 5 years, I don't post often - only bother when something really interests or irritates the fk outta me....

We can tell by the intelligent content.

[scumdog]

What happened to the comment by Dangerous???????????

Somebody scared DangerousBastard was going to go to the media about HIM too???

[McDuck]

What happened to the comment by Dangerous???????????

Somebody scared DangerousBastard was going to go to the media about HIM too???

The P wore off? (You may think i am joking, this is edgecomb we are talking about)

[RidingHard]

Fuckin hell, gotta love internet fights! they always start over some flippant statement dont they? quite over the top DB mate?? try calling NZ Herald and giving them the scoop on this story!

getting back on topic (maybe),



"If my client does see someone who is doing wrong, is it an offense to tell them to stop doing it?"



good defense! you could flash your lights at someone if you see them swerving over the road, if their tailgate's open or if some tie-downs come loose. Really, flashing your lights at someone who may or may not be speeding is doing the public a service, and HELPING the cops keep the roads safer.

One way of looking at it.........ding ding, Round 6!

[Finn]

yup. Final request - badge number please, and the "name calling by police officer" leaves the Internet right now, or else it goes international. Your call.

Fuck, name calling on the internet! I'm surprised Reuters hasn't offered you millions for your story. But seriously, if you wanna make some extra bucks, you'd have more chance selling your snot on TradeMe.

... goes international. What a moron.

[Swoop]

Ahh. A blast of the "old" KB.

Bloody funny! You could hear the blood pressure increasing...:rofl: :rofl:

[onearmedbandit]

Of course, if you are silly enough to ADMIT that you were flashing to warn motorists, there are several things they might charge you with (though it's doubtful any would stand up to a determined defence). Just as they could if you held up a sign saying "Radar cop ahead".

Not true, and in England there has been a test case of this. A man was charged by the police for obstructing the course of law because he positioned himself a couple miles down the road with a sign warning of a speed trap further ahead. The case went to court, where the magistrate asked the prosecuting officer what the point of the speed trap was, whether it was for lowering the speed of drivers or collecting revenue. Of course the officer replied that it was to lower drivers speeds, to which the magistrate pointed out that this gentleman was actually helping the police and wider community, by encouraging others to slow down. Case thrown out.

[Tank]

Not true, and in England there has been a test case of this. A man was charged by the police for obstructing the course of law because he positioned himself a couple miles down the road with a sign warning of a speed trap further ahead. The case went to court, where the magistrate asked the prosecuting officer what the point of the speed trap was, whether it was for lowering the speed of drivers or collecting revenue. Of course the officer replied that it was to lower drivers speeds, to which the magistrate pointed out that this gentleman was actually helping the police and wider community, by encouraging others to slow down. Case thrown out.

ahhh - but did the guy holding the sign have a quota of people he had to 'help' :laugh:

Good on the guy BTW!

[swbarnett]

Not true, and in England there has been a test case of this. A man was charged by the police for obstructing the course of law because he positioned himself a couple miles down the road with a sign warning of a speed trap further ahead. The case went to court, where the magistrate asked the prosecuting officer what the point of the speed trap was, whether it was for lowering the speed of drivers or collecting revenue. Of course the officer replied that it was to lower drivers speeds, to which the magistrate pointed out that this gentleman was actually helping the police and wider community, by encouraging others to slow down. Case thrown out.
Sounds like the cardboard patrol cars they trialled around road works.

[Skyryder]

It's actually nice just sitting back and watching the flaming instead of participating. With winter coming on I've found a new hand warmer; the computer screen.

Skyryder

[Tank]

In honour of Scumdogs harrassment I have set up a cafepress store selling high quality t-shirts with witty dangerous bastard quotes:

http://www.cafepress.com/cp/customize/product.aspx?clear=true&number=%20235767417

Proceeds will be spent on buying Scumdog beers.

[spudchucka]

... goes international. What a moron.

Yup, the interweb after all is somewhat international by nature.

[spudchucka]

DB's last post to this thread was 1925 hours last night. He must be busy splashing his scoop all over the news bureaus, I can't wait to watch the news tonight at six or perhaps even CNN will be on to it by now.

[onearmedbandit]

Shit I'm going to be out at 6 tonight, can someone tape it for me?

[Pex Adams]

And whose alter-ego IS DB? can mods check his authenticity - I mean c'mon, this guy can't be for real can he? eh? eh?

ITS Mikey - no wait, there's actually no signs of intelligences in the abuse in this case...

As you were:oi-grr:

[unrealone]

Or 'i am goign to give this dude a chance to help himself out of a ticket.

Sorry I should've added that at the time of being flashed I was not exceeding the speed limit :)

My point is that they too flash their head lights.

I am in no way supporting DB by the way..

[Tank]

DB's last post to this thread was 1925 hours last night. He must be busy splashing his scoop all over the news bureaus, I can't wait to watch the news tonight at six or perhaps even CNN will be on to it by now.

Hes been online and posting - just not in this thread. Probally due to the fact he has sold the exclusive story to HELLO! magazine.

[unrealone]

Shit I'm going to be out at 6 tonight, can someone tape it for me? It'll be like one of those pre-recorded Osama Bin Laden messages - no worries, it'll be on YouTube before its on CNN :P

[spudchucka]

Hes been online and posting - just not in this thread. Probally due to the fact he has sold the exclusive story to HELLO! magazine.

I can't understand why there's nothing on the stuff site yet???

[Tank]

I can't understand why there's nothing on the stuff site yet???

pffft stuff is local - watch CNN, BBC, IHT, etc etc This is going to be HUGE!

I cannot wait - I'll be able to tell my kids I interwebbed with Scumdog and survived!

[McDuck]

pffft stuff is local - watch CNN, BBC, IHT, etc etc This is going to be HUGE!

I cannot wait - I'll be able to tell my kids I interwebbed with Scumdog and survived!

I am staying up to watch fox tonight....

[nodrog]

OMG!!!! did you see 3 news?


it wasnt on there

[Mikkel]

I am staying up to watch fox tonight....

Don't it'll rot your brain away...

[jimbo600]

Holy shit its on the BBC news web page

[spudchucka]

Brilliant. I was disappointed that neither Campbell or Close Up ran the story though, what's the world coming to?

[What?]

...man was charged by the police for obstructing the course of law because he positioned himself a couple miles down the road with a sign warning of a speed trap further ahead...

Funnily enough, a cop I know had that done to him, except the sign was planted and left. When he went home for lunch, he noticed that the sign had blown over, so he stopped and put it up again.

[What?]

But will anyone answer the question as to what law is broken by flashing headlights??

Where's the fun in that?

[Patrick]

your better too not say anything too the cops on the side of the road . you give your licence . and the owner of the car or bike . and thats it :oi-grr: the law states u have the rights too say nothing :msn-wink:

Yep... them bees the unfriendly ones.. theys always gettin the tickets...


Does the Pope shit in the woods?

No... but he does in the Vati CAN... :sunny::innocent:


'Queen's Identification' or QID

Bwahahahahaha.... Query IDentity...


The way I heard it a police officer is legally required to provide their badge number when asked for it, no matter who's doing the asking. Have I been misinformed?

Only to those unable to read.


members of any government agency, particularly the police, will emphatically NOT call members of the public losers and liars while in a public forum. If they want to do this on their weekly piss drinking sessions then that is fine. This was public.

The easy way to resolve this is to pm me the badge number. The hard way is to involve the media. I WILL report this, and I will do it the easy or the hard way, or the really hard way. His call.

Badge number please ?

DB

So there are no losers and liars. Is your head up your bum? They are everywhere... watching you... some are even on the internet...:gob: I have been accused of it even...:shit:

Get over yourself :whocares:

That man does not deserve a DB....

[mv.senna]

awwww. where's dumbarse gone...whoops i mean dumb-bastard....:bye:

has he gone into hiding? was it something we said?? i'm worried he's drowned in a pool of his own tears coz everybody's been picking on him. :rofl:

BTW...do those t-shirts come in black? :innocent:

[Mikkel]

I saw a HP car sitting here in Chch on my way home today - probably stalking some dangerous speeders. Right where Brougham Street becomes Opawa road.

I just had to check that my "PASS" switch was working after I had cruised by - no relation at all. It was a bit sticky at first - but after having used it somewhere between 20 and 50 times it was much better.
It's not good when there's resistance in essential bike controls ;)

[onearmedbandit]

It's not good when there's resistance in essential bike controls ;)

You watch out now, you're lining yourself up for a ticket for failing to keep the vehicle in roadworthy condition.

[Mikkel]

You watch out now, you're lining yourself up for a ticket for failing to keep the vehicle in roadworthy condition.

But officer, I was doing my best to correct the matter...

[onearmedbandit]

Irrelevant. It is the responsibility of every road user to ensure their vehicle is in kept in a roadworthy condition, before using it on the road. Oooo you're going to get nailed Mike.

[Mikkel]

Irrelevant. It is the responsibility of every road user to ensure their vehicle is in kept in a roadworthy condition, before using it on the road. Oooo you're going to get nailed Mike.

I wonder how the police can justify driving Holdens at all then... :dodge:

I'm pretty sure my bike would pass WOF no worries any day of the week - after I had my fork seal changed at least.

[idb]

That he is, fucking top bloke is Scummy


No he's not, he's a prick.

[scumdog]

In honour of Scumdogs harrassment I have set up a cafepress store selling high quality t-shirts with witty dangerous bastard quotes:

http://www.cafepress.com/cp/customize/product.aspx?clear=true&number=%20235767417

Proceeds will be spent on buying Scumdog beers.

Mwahahahaha!!!!:woohoo:

I love it, I love it!!:niceone:

[idb]

And whose alter-ego IS DB? can mods check his authenticity - I mean c'mon, this guy can't be for real can he? eh? eh?

Running to the Mods SD?
How ironic!

[Tank]

and for the ladies (thinking of 007XX :whistle:)...

the this goes international G-String (http://www.cafepress.com/cp/customize/product.aspx?clear=true&number=%20235793998)


I love cafe press - you can have an entire range of clothing on the market in 10 mins.

[spudchucka]

Maybe he's put it on his BeBo page???

[Swoop]

Hes been online and posting - just not in this thread. Probally due to the fact he has sold the exclusive story to HELLO! magazine.


Maybe he's put it on his BeBo page???
I have heard a whisper that an international paper could be interested!

The "Turkmenistan Truth" is sniffing about for a story.
*Just do not look at their page three girl though*:puke:

[nodrog]

...*Just do not look at their page three girl though*:puke:

i think i know her

[McDuck]

i think i know her

lolololololol

[MSTRS]

i think i know her

Unmasked...

[Tank]

Unmasked...

Mrs Dangerous bastard? :girlfight:

[McDuck]

Mrs Dangerous bastard? :girlfight:

Na she is to normal looking to be from arount there :yes:

[RidingHard]

hahaha man oh man, fellas I think ol' DB has been run off this thread! either that or he's working on a scathing post and everybody's in trouble :eek:

[neilwgtn]

Only being a newbie i learnt early that bikers normally wave at each other.. the other day i passed a radar copper stopped on the haywards so i flashed at the next bike coming towards me.. he waved back... Oh i thought .. i wonder how you tell the difference between a flash (hi ya) or a flash( slow down theres a cop ahead) ???
hopefully he slowed down.

[Tank]

Only being a newbie i learnt early that bikers normally wave at each other.. the other day i passed a radar copper stopped on the haywards so i flashed at the next bike coming towards me.. he waved back... Oh i thought .. i wonder how you tell the difference between a flash (hi ya) or a flash( slow down theres a cop ahead) ???
hopefully he slowed down.

Wave your finger in the air in a little circle mimicking cop lights.

[Mikkel]

Only being a newbie i learnt early that bikers normally wave at each other.. the other day i passed a radar copper stopped on the haywards so i flashed at the next bike coming towards me.. he waved back... Oh i thought .. i wonder how you tell the difference between a flash (hi ya) or a flash( slow down theres a cop ahead) ???
hopefully he slowed down.

Or give him 3-5 flashes in quick succession then he might pick up on it not just being a greeting. :)

[kinger]

Only being a newbie i learnt early that bikers normally wave at each other.. .

Hmmmm, not crossed paths with the weekend warriors on their Hardly Moving Sons then?

Much as I enjoyed my previous banter with Scummy, I can't see where DB was coming from.
SD, we'll probably never agree on much, and an inflexible stance on any front can show a lack of something, but should we meet at any kind of do, I'll gladly tip a can with you as a fellow biker. Can't vouch for your good chapedness though......
:Playnice:

[scumdog]

Hmmmm, not crossed paths with the weekend warriors on their Hardly Moving Sons then?

Much as I enjoyed my previous banter with Scummy, I can't see where DB was coming from.
SD, we'll probably never agree on much, and an inflexible stance on any front can show a lack of something, but should we meet at any kind of do, I'll gladly tip a can with you as a fellow biker. Can't vouch for your good chapedness though......
:Playnice:

Mehh, just speak to anybody that's met me, that should give you an idea of what kind of arsehole I am.
I tolerate ALL types of bike and most types of people, however slack-jawed, mouthbreathing self-opinionated ego-inflating toss-pot wankers may be an exception though.

Face to face you might be surprised.........

[Mikkel]

Face to face you might be surprised.........

If you have the stomach to handle the streaking that would precede it ;)

[Tank]

Mehh, just speak to anybody that's met me, that should give you an idea of what kind of arsehole I am.
I tolerate ALL types of bike and most types of people, however slack-jawed, mouthbreathing self-opinionated ego-inflating toss-pot wankers may be an exception though.

Face to face you might be surprised.........

You cannot say that. Now PM me your bank account details and internet banking PIN or this goes international.
:beer:

[spudchucka]

or this goes international.
:beer:

That has to be added to the list of KB mantra, sort of like gargre and sprotsbike etc etc; and coming out of Edgecumbe for some reason seems to make it even more special.

[shafty]

Not true, and in England there has been a test case of this. A man was charged by the police for obstructing the course of law because he positioned himself a couple miles down the road with a sign warning of a speed trap further ahead. The case went to court, where the magistrate asked the prosecuting officer what the point of the speed trap was, whether it was for lowering the speed of drivers or collecting revenue. Of course the officer replied that it was to lower drivers speeds, to which the magistrate pointed out that this gentleman was actually helping the police and wider community, by encouraging others to slow down. Case thrown out.

Bloody brilliant, a TOP Judge!!

[kevie]

I have the theory that if you flash to warn other road users theres a traffic unit up the road YOU ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THE ROAD TOLL !!!!! Sounds harsh ???? think about it before you throw that statement out.........

The speeders rely on their radar detectors and oncomming drivers to warn them theres a cop up the road, slow down for it and then up their speed again.

We all know (aspecially me being an ax ambulance officer) the increased carnage that even a slight increase in speed can cause in an impact.

Warning other road users to slow it down is not only legally wrong ... its morally wrong and irresponsible too.

And yeh yeh ... prior to my going out and cleaning up the carnage I used to do it too.

I only flash my lights at oncomming traffic if theres a HAZARD up the road to slow them down.

[McDuck]

Ummmm speed dont kill. Crapdriving kills. If sombody is goign to crash at 120 they will crash at 100 just the same.

[swbarnett]

I have the theory that if you flash to warn other road users theres a traffic unit up the road YOU ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THE ROAD TOLL !!!!! Sounds harsh ???? think about it before you throw that statement out.........
I can understand your reasoning but, with all due respect, I think you've got it wrong.


The speeders rely on their radar detectors and oncomming drivers to warn them theres a cop up the road, slow down for it and then up their speed again.
Very true.


We all know (aspecially me being an ax ambulance officer) the increased carnage that even a slight increase in speed can cause in an impact.
Also true. However, you've got to have an impact first.


Warning other road users to slow it down is not only legally wrong ... its morally wrong and irresponsible too.
I think it's been said elsewhere that that doesn't stand up in court.


I only flash my lights at oncomming traffic if theres a HAZARD up the road to slow them down.
Ahh, but a cop with a radar gun is a hazard.

[TimeOut]

Ahh, but a cop with a radar gun is a hazard.[/QUOTE]

Very true:devil2::niceone:

[Highlander]

...When was the last time anyone saw the police seriously police intersection laws? Never is when, ....

Often see them in force at intersections. One watching the lights radioing his associates when the lights change. They are just round the corner pulling up the vehicles that failed to stop as the lights indicate they should. Good on them.

[Soul.Trader]

Ummmm speed dont kill. Crapdriving kills. If sombody is goign to crash at 120 they will crash at 100 just the same.

Yes, but when they crash into your family coming the other way, the carnage will be substantially worse at 120.

[Mikkel]

Often see them in force at intersections. One watching the lights radioing his associates when the lights change. They are just round the corner pulling up the vehicles that failed to stop as the lights indicate they should. Good on them.

Awesome. I have never seen that here in Chch unfortunately. That's something I'd like to see though...

[McDuck]

Yes, but when they crash into your family coming the other way, the carnage will be substantially worse at 120.

Yes but it still takes a person to cross the center line...

[scumdog]

Yes but it still takes a person to cross the center line...

And NZ is littered with incompetents that have an inability to stay on their side of the road..:angry:

[onearmedbandit]

Incompetents? I want your badge number or this goes, well I don't need to say do I.

[McDuck]

or this gos international.

[Ixion]

Yes, but when they crash into your family coming the other way, the carnage will be substantially worse at 120.

And the carnage at 100 will be substantially worse than at 80. Which in tunr will be worse tha n at 60. And so on.

So where's your red flag then ?

I'm still waiting for the first one of the "Ohh ohh speed kills oh oh " bleaters to have the guts to actually stand by the crap they spout and tell us that they sold their bike and got a moped.

Because if they REALLY believed it, they wouldn't have a vehicle capable of over 50 kph would they?

Somehow I think I'll be waiting a long time. What's that word again, begins with 'H', on the tip of my tongue - hippopotamus ? No that's not it.

[Jantar]

And the carnage at 100 will be substantially worse than at 80. Which in tunr will be worse tha n at 60. And so on.....

The propoganda is actually worse than that. At the safeAs seminars 18 months ago, the LTSA spin merchants claimed that there is a 4% drop in fatalities for every 1 kmh drop in average road speed. So if we bring the speeds down from the current 105 kmh to 80 km there will be no more road deaths. :woohoo:

[Mikkel]

The propoganda is actually worse than that. At the safeAs seminars 18 months ago, the LTSA spin merchants claimed that there is a 4% drop in fatalities for every 1 kmh drop in average road speed. So if we bring the speeds down from the current 105 kmh to 80 km there will be no more road deaths. :woohoo:

You have got to love statistics! :yes:

How about dropping it to 60 km/h to improve population growth?

[swbarnett]

The propoganda is actually worse than that. At the safeAs seminars 18 months ago, the LTSA spin merchants claimed that there is a 4% drop in fatalities for every 1 kmh drop in average road speed. So if we bring the speeds down from the current 105 kmh to 80 km there will be no more road deaths. :woohoo:
Although I agree with the point of your post I think you'll find that the percentage is cumulative i.e. if the death toll is 400 a 25kph drop in speed (they claim) would drop it to 144 not 0.

The stupid thing is that by their own reasoning at an average speed of 0kph there'll still be 5.5 road deaths if you start at 105kph with 400.

[Jantar]

OK, Try these statistics. :D


In the early 1970s, as a result of the 1973 oil shock, both New Zealand and the United States imposed new, lower speed limits in an effort to save fuel. In New Zealand’s case the limit dropped from 60 mph (100ks) to 50mph (80ks), while in the US it dropped to 55 mph - the so-called "double nickel".

In the ten years leading up to the drop in the New Zealand speed limit, an average of 608 New Zealanders had died on the roads each year.

In the ten years that followed the drop from 100 kph down to 80 kph, an average of 707 New Zealanders died on the roads each year: in other words, the new, lower New Zealand speed limit coincided with a 17% increase in road deaths.

[fredie]

this is big time . we heard the news here in aussie. its going global:jerry:

[Delerium]

Well of course speed kills, if you didnt have any speed you wouldnt be moving and then there would be no accidents. Hmmm, maybe I should pass that idea on to the govt, speed limit is 0, no more road deaths!

[swbarnett]

Well of course speed kills, if you didnt have any speed you wouldnt be moving and then there would be no accidents. Hmmm, maybe I should pass that idea on to the govt, speed limit is 0, no more road deaths!
Given that an accident occurs in the first place then, yes, speed is a factor. What I, and others, dispute is the claimed statistical correlation between speed alone and accidents. Our contention is that riding to the conditions, above or below the speed limit is what's important, not the actual speed.

And to be pedantic it's not the speed that's the issue, it the negative acceleration (that's why an explosion will kill you, you're accelerating too fast).

[scumdog]

Given that an accident occurs in the first place then, yes, speed is a factor. What I, and others, dispute is the claimed statistical correlation between speed alone and accidents. Our contention is that riding to the conditions, above or below the speed limit is what's important, not the actual speed.

And to be pedantic it's not the speed that's the issue, it the negative acceleration (that's why an explosion will kill you, you're accelerating too fast).

Ride to WHOSE perception of the conditions???

[swbarnett]

Ride to WHOSE perception of the conditions???
In the first instance the rider's obviously.

You're right though, people won't always get it right. This is were the police come in. If they see someone who is not riding to the condition as they see them then they have the right to pull them over and have a chat, maybe issue a ticket if they won't listen.

Even then the cop may not always be right but I'd be much happier to have a cop telling me "you're riding like a dick and this is why" than have one say "you're riding past the posted limit". Ticket or no I can then take on board what was said and maybe learn something.

[McDuck]

Ride to WHOSE perception of the conditions???

The riders abbility...

[scumdog]

In the first instance the rider's obviously.

You're right though, people won't always get it right. This is were the police come in. If they see someone who is not riding to the condition as they see them then they have the right to pull them over and have a chat, maybe issue a ticket if they won't listen.

Even then the cop may not always be right but I'd be much happier to have a cop telling me "you're riding like a dick and this is why" than have one say "you're riding past the posted limit". Ticket or no I can then take on board what was said and maybe learn something.


True.

But KB is already full of people screaming "defend it, you'l clutter the Courts and piss 'em off' - and that's with offences easily proved compared with your scenario of cops doing people for 'not driving to the conditions' instead of speeding tickets.

And anecdotal evidence points to people (a) being pissed off by getting pulled over and told to 'adjust' their driving style and (b) warnings last as long as the cop is still within view.

[swbarnett]

True.

But KB is already full of people screaming "defend it, you'l clutter the Courts and piss 'em off' - and that's with offences easily proved compared with your scenario of cops doing people for 'not driving to the conditions' instead of speeding tickets.

And anecdotal evidence points to people (a) being pissed off by getting pulled over and told to 'adjust' their driving style and (b) warnings last as long as the cop is still within view.
It seems we do agree on some things. Of course I'm talking about the ideal and you're talking about practicality so the truth of the matter is probably somewhere in the middle.

I suppose that it's really a comment on the society that we live in that warnings are usually ignored. What annoys me is the assumption that everybody is a dick head until proven otherwise. However, I can understand where this feeling comes from.

I seem to be in the minority. I've been stopped once or twice and told to 'adjust', took on board what was said and sat on the side of the road for a minute or two and thought "shit, they're right, lesson learnt".

[spudchucka]

Given that an accident occurs in the first place then, yes, speed is a factor. What I, and others, dispute is the claimed statistical correlation between speed alone and accidents. Our contention is that riding to the conditions, above or below the speed limit is what's important, not the actual speed.

And to be pedantic it's not the speed that's the issue, it the negative acceleration (that's why an explosion will kill you, you're accelerating too fast).

I think you and many others are taking the speed as a causative factor in crashes a bit too literally.

The real issue as to why speed limits are heavily enforced is because speed in crashes is directly linked to personal trauma and death.

The cause of the crash may be debated till the cows come home, (although there is usually very good evidence that does link inappropriate speed as a direct cause).

The cause of the death or trauma suffered in a crash however is not so easily questioned because human bodies are soft and metal isn't.

More speed equals more trauma when you crash. This is why police target speeders, any other reasons that are publicly discussed are totally secondary, (speed causes crashes) or irrelevant, (revenue collection).

[Swoop]

What's that word again, begins with 'H', on the tip of my tongue - hippopotamus ? No that's not it.
Hypochondriac?
No. Getting closer though.

[Ixion]

Heterodyne. That's it.

[more_fasterer]

The real issue as to why speed limits are heavily enforced is because speed in crashes is directly linked to personal trauma and death.

I can understand where you're coming from as someone who gets the joy of dealing with the unsavoury side of the driving public daily, but speed is not the only causal factor that's directly linked to personal trauma and death.

For one example, take red light runners, or drivers who fail to give way. Travelling into the path of crossing traffic (or, more specifically, travelling into the crossing traffic) is directly linked to personal trauma & death.

It's been a long, long time since I've seen any police officers enforcing these rules, unlike the speed enforcement regime.

[McDuck]

I can understand where you're coming from as someone who gets the joy of dealing with the unsavoury side of the driving public daily, but speed is not the only causal factor that's directly linked to personal trauma and death.

For one example, take red light runners, or drivers who fail to give way. Travelling into the path of crossing traffic (or, more specifically, travelling into the crossing traffic) is directly linked to personal trauma & death.

It's been a long, long time since I've seen any police officers enforcing these rules, unlike the speed enforcement regime.

A while ago i got pulled over by a cop after STOPING at a stop sign. I said to him 'i stoped at that stop sign'
and he said:
'I know, you were the only person in the last two hours'


Proves a point tho.

[swbarnett]

A while ago i got pulled over by a cop after STOPING at a stop sign. I said to him 'i stoped at that stop sign'
and he said:
'I know, you were the only person in the last two hours'


Proves a point tho.
So why did he pull you over?

[McDuck]

So why did he pull you over?

I am guessing to inform me that i had done the right thing.
That or i was about 16 at the time...

[spudchucka]

I can understand where you're coming from as someone who gets the joy of dealing with the unsavoury side of the driving public daily, but speed is not the only causal factor that's directly linked to personal trauma and death.

For one example, take red light runners, or drivers who fail to give way. Travelling into the path of crossing traffic (or, more specifically, travelling into the crossing traffic) is directly linked to personal trauma & death.

It's been a long, long time since I've seen any police officers enforcing these rules, unlike the speed enforcement regime.

You can't run a red light if you are stationary.

[Str8 Jacket]

You can't run a red light if you are stationary.

Its even harder if you're stationery....

Yes I know its bad but im sooooo bored I couldnt help myself!

[spudchucka]

So why did he pull you over?

Probably thought he had something to hide???

[spudchucka]

Its even harder if you're stationery....

Yes I know its bad but im sooooo bored I couldnt help myself!

Who made you the new Hitcher?

Oh, I get it you mean if you were a letter head or a business card!!

[Str8 Jacket]

Who made you the new Hitcher?

Oh, I get it you mean if you were a letter head or a business card!!

LOL!
Yeah, the latter. You got it right mate!

[Nade]

Wasn't their a programme a few years ago where cops pulled people over and gave them lollipops when they were spotted actually doing the correct thing in 'black spots'? think it was more a public relations thing...may have been a local thing to...can't quite remember the details.
And we have the coppers who sit in the middle of the Welds pass on the way into blenheim, climb up to the top of a spur with a camera on a tripod and take pic's of people crossing the center line.....those pic's have been published in the local rag (not quite going international) with various articles on it as their are accidents on a regular basis in that stretch of road. Mainly foriengers not knowing the road and travelling to fast, and dick heads crossing the centre line....and they are all blind corners. The past few weeks there has been a crash a week, with a couple ending up on their roofs after wiping out and riding up on the armco, flipping them down the embankments to the bottom of the pass. Luckily so far none of them have been killed, just put more stress into the lives of medical/ rescue personnel and on the health system. I have been flashed many times by people in cages...and waved to slow by fellow bikers....even if im not speeding...its sometimes nice to know theres a copper parked on the side of the road in the middel of the pass.
I don't particuarly like cops as a whole...but like everyone else...they have a job to do, and some of them away from the job are bloody nice blokes.

[Patrick]

Hey Dangerous...

Thought you said it would go international... what a liar... ya loser...

[Mikkel]

Thought you said it would go international... what a liar... ya loser...

YOU CAN NOT CALL PEOPLE THAT! Not on a public forum.

Badge number - or international? Your choice!

:lol:

[Patrick]

YOU CAN NOT CALL PEOPLE THAT! Not on a public forum.

Badge number - or international? Your choice!

:lol:

International??? How about a Kenworth, with a sleeper attached? Spa pool too please... Mack considered.... Nah... keep it as a Kenworth...

[McJim]

Just took SafeChildofwedlock off ignore to have a read through his posts. Strewth that was funny.

Question: How does he actually know Scumdog is a real police officer? Scummy could be just some bogan with a few heaps of Yankee scrap iron and some ford and HD badges strewn around his house and pretending he's a copper.:rofl:

I can tell what he's like in real life from his posts though.

Green Wing - Doctor Alan Statham. Am I right?
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=84265&d=1202196324
And anyway - he's given us HIS number already...silly boy....charging in here all self righteous without a clue and kicking over the chairs and stuff. Deary me.

[spudchucka]

His silence in this thread has become somewhat deafening.

[Mikkel]

Question: How does he actually know Scumdog is a real police officer? Scummy could be just some bogan with a few heaps of Yankee scrap iron and some ford and HD badges strewn around his house and pretending he's a copper.:rofl:

Shhhhhh!

If people find out that scummy is actually just on the dole it'll be harder for him to wind them up...

So let's keep quite about that one! :yes:

You're not implying that he can't both be a bogan and cop though are you?

[scumdog]

Shhhhhh!

If people find out that scummy is actually just on the dole it'll be harder for him to wind them up...

You're not implying that he can't both be a bogan and cop though are you?

Yup, EnZeds one and only registered bogan petrolheaded cop..complete with corny tats and tassles.

[kinger]

......but you forgot to mention the slightly dubious moustache:buggerd:

You're not mates with a red indian, a sailor and a construction worker by any chance, eh?

[Mikkel]

......but you forgot to mention the slightly dubious moustache:buggerd:

You're not mates with a red indian, a sailor and a construction worker by any chance, eh?

That is racist! I resent that...

:lol:

We have a rather nice YMCA here in the village of Christchurch.

[Nade]

Yup, EnZeds one and only registered bogan petrolheaded cop..complete with corny tats and tassles.


oh no.....next he'll be tassle whipping us into shape......:bleh:

[Skyryder]

Yup, EnZeds one and only registered bogan petrolheaded cop..complete with corny tats and tassles.

And an 'honest' copper to boot.:first:


Skyryder

[Gubb]

I'm only sorry I hadn't read this thread earlier.

Mind you, with the massive amount of media coverage focused on this thread lately, it's lucky I even got onto the site at all, what with all the bandwidth being chewed up from INTERNATIONAL visitors!

:lol: What a joke.

Uh oh, will that go international too?

[quickbuck]

Hell, this is the funniest thing I've found on here for ages.

Top laughs!
:jerry:

[Patrick]

His silence in this thread has become somewhat deafening.

I think he has put everyone onto his ignore lists....:doh:

[Timati]

Didn't know they could stop you and fine you for flashing your lights?

[Patrick]

Didn't know they could stop you and fine you for flashing your lights?

Can stop ya, but can't fine ya.... for that, at least...

[Timati]

Stop the rider but not fine the rider...serves no purpose...in my opinion. It's either a fine or no fine. Not that I have anything against cops and I respect what they do but they ought to fight bigger problems e.g. spousal abuse, drunk driving, robberies, etc

[avgas]

inappropriate use of headlights.
saying you were warning of a hazard.....shove her bee back up her bonet.
There is no law to say you were warning about another cop up ahead. And a judge will see that.

[Patrick]

Stop the rider but not fine the rider...serves no purpose...in my opinion. It's either a fine or no fine. Not that I have anything against cops and I respect what they do but they ought to fight bigger problems e.g. spousal abuse, drunk driving, robberies, etc

So how do you think we get most drunk drivers...???? By not stopping drivers??? How about disqualified ones? They don't have neon signs advertising the fact....:whistle:

The very few traffic cops deal to traffic and in these parts, go to anything they are needed for, including domestics, burglaries, robberies, whatever... The rest deal with the rest and on the very rare occasion, will be asked to deal to a crash... only if a snake isn't working...

[Timati]

So how do you think we get most drunk drivers...???? By not stopping drivers??? How about disqualified ones? They don't have neon signs advertising the fact....

Exactly. They don't have neon signs. They are breath tested. Drunk drivers don't flash lights stating the fact they are drunk???



Didn't know they could stop you and fine you for flashing your lights?

I was referring to why stop drivers that flash their lights and then not fine them. Makes no sense. I would agree if it was not legal to alert others that a cop is around the corner and then stop them and then fine them.

[Patrick]

Exactly. They don't have neon signs. They are breath tested. Drunk drivers don't flash lights stating the fact they are drunk???

Some do... some sit at green lights, some bunnyhop, some don't use lights... had one pull up opposite while dealing with another drunk to give himself in one night on the North Shore...

[Tank]

Whenever I see new post in this thread I pop in to see if its Dangerous Bastard coming back to give us an update on just how far he has taken it.

Apparently International hasnt left Edgecumbe yet.

[scumdog]

Some do... some sit at green lights, some bunnyhop, some don't use lights... had one pull up opposite while dealing with another drunk to give himself in one night on the North Shore...

And see 'One of lifes winners' thread to see what the rest do.

[spudchucka]

I think he has put everyone onto his ignore lists....:doh:

Or his jet set lifestyle from going international is just keeping him far too busy??

[spudchucka]

Some do... some sit at green lights, some bunnyhop, some don't use lights... had one pull up opposite while dealing with another drunk to give himself in one night on the North Shore...

My most memorable was a driver coming towards me with his head out the driver's window throwing up.

[Kornholio]

Lolio!!!!!!!

[samgab]

Why, oh why did this thread die? It's comedy gold!

[McDuck]

Why, oh why did this thread die? It's comedy gold!

It went international to quickly...

[Quasievil]

I Dont flash other drivers, if they are speeding it aint my problem its theres in a word fuck em, shouldnt be speeding anyway.

[Conquiztador]

Not had a read of all of this, but I tend to flash oncoming traffic if I know of a hazard. Yesterday there was a bunch of Canadian ducks on the road trying to find a place to hide from the hunters. I had to stop the car as they would not move. Then one of them attacked my car, so I reversed away with the duck following noisily. In the end I got around them. As I was driving away a few cars came the other way and so I flashed my lights to warn them.

[Rcktfsh]

I always flash and have only ever been pulled over once, the tosser in question suggested i should get out of the car as it apeared to have an electrical fault and maybe about to burst into flames, i simply pointed out i was driving a mitsubishi as was he and was complementing his taste in cars.

[Rcktfsh]

ps. don't forget to sit on your horn as you go past mobile speed cameras, its very important we show our appreciation of these brave souls efforts to up the tax take oops i mean keep our roads safe.

[samgab]

ps. don't forget to sit on your horn as you go past mobile speed cameras, its very important we show our appreciation of these brave souls efforts to up the tax take oops i mean keep our roads safe.

Don't do that! You'll wake the poor chaps up. ;)

Oh, and I have developed an amazing, fail-safe trick for avoiding speed camera tickets: I call it "not speeding". :Police: No revenue from me!

[Balding Eagle]

Perhaps Kawerau is international if you live in Edgecombe. But back to the original thread ....... sort of

Some time ago I was returning to Sail City from the Bay of I at the end of the Anniversary weekend. We passed several speed cameras that were strategically placed at the end of passing lanes and long straights. When we came to the Dome Valley there was a large Police sign saying "Slow down; known accident area". Not a cop in sight as we passed through.

My problem is that this was obviously revenue gathering. The Police would have had my support if they had been out there pulling over the slow drivers so that the traffic could flow at the legal limit and therefore remove the need for people to feel the need to pass using a speed that although safe, was above the limit, and thus remove the real danger. Had they had a presence in the Dome Valley where they admit there are problems, their credibility would be maintained. I don't blame the individual officers as the positioning of police in these circumstances is most probably a policy put in place by those above.

And Yes I flash .... for all sorts of reasons .... but primarily for road safety.

[cowpoos]

ps. don't forget to sit on your horn as you go past mobile speed cameras, its very important we show our appreciation of these brave souls efforts to up the tax take oops i mean keep our roads safe.
you mean...to up the billing potential of you lawless clients shane???

[Jizah]

The speed camera that pisses me off is the one at the top end of Taita Drive in Lower Hutt. It's a 50k zone with residential on one side and an empty river bank on the other. The road is also very wide. I personally feel it's pretty safe to exceed or even increase the speed limit there, but that's not my point.

My point is, I always thought it would be in the best interest of safety to have it further down the road where it was populated on both sides including a major sports field, and also has a school backing on to it with groups of 30 or so kids running up and down the footpath during the day for their P.E. class. Also with cars parking on the roadside to use the sports field, and that part of the road also being a bus route, the road tends to be quite narrow. Of course, generally people aren't completely stupid, and tend to lower their speed in this area.

I can't say I've seen any accident statistics from either of these areas, and as such my annoyances may be unfounded. But to me it still just reeks of revenue gathering.

[McDuck]

yup. Final request - badge number please, and the "name calling by police officer" leaves the Internet right now, or else it goes international. Your call.

nup you don't do you - spoken like a true officer o' the law. NEVER has any police officer actually done anything to assist me when I was victimised, yet they trip me on any administrative triviality at every opportunity, while simultaneously accusing me of wronging half of collective society. :bleh:

You are beaten this time, how does it feel ?

DB

Did it work?

[PrincessBandit]

And Yes I flash .... for all sorts of reasons .... but primarily for road safety.

Do you wear a mac though while doing it?

[R1madness]

i usually wear a leather jacket while doing it... does that count?

[R1madness]

only if a snake isn't working...

i have heard (non traffic duty) cops referring to other Traffic duty cops as "snake" before, is it common and what started the nikname? Surely it has more significance than "snake in the grass"?

[p.dath]

Perhaps a bullshit story could be made up.

"It appeared to me you might be speeding officer, so I flashed you to bring this to your attention" ... or "You had your headlights on full and I was worried you were causing a danger to other motorists" (of course officer will stumble out they didn't, but hey - plausible excuse), ...

[Skyryder]

I have no hesitation in flashing bikes when riding the same as I do with drivers.


On the other hand if I see anything that I believe constitutes dangerous driving I have no hesitation in reporting it.

Skyryder

[Kornholio]

Did it work?

Oh, Lolio :D Did it ever :p

[Juzz976]

Nothing works on me - my 'loser-liar' alert device cuts in as soon as they open their mouth.....

And if they use the words "I was just.." - they're screwed.

Well thats just plain rude, if your a cop I am disgusted in your attitude.

I would consider your conduct unbecoming of an officer and would politly request you adjust that.

Failing to do so, if I ever have the misfortune to come across you and you maintain your own self-righteousness then I will not accept any of your bullshit, hence you would expect a formal complaint to the IPCA.

My Opinion is that cops take little reguard for the diversities in our culture, to make cude assumptions based on an incomplete responce to what is most likely a failed attempt to perform a simple task as to ascertain wheather a party has criminal intent. Then you my friend have failed the public in doing your duty.

I personally am over the 'Service' the NZ police have delivered of late and you can bet further unjustified procecution of hard working NZ Citizens, permanent residents and visitors to our nation will bring shame and disrupte upon the otherwise 'Honerable Police' unlike police who display behaviour as demonstrated by yourself.

This is an unacceptable attitude in my view and should not be tolerated by any member of the public, no wonder the reputation of NZ Police has fallen so dramatically. Big change needs to happen, we are not happy.

[McDuck]

Well thats just plain rude, if your a cop I am disgusted in your attitude.

I would consider your conduct unbecoming of an officer and would politly request you adjust that.

Failing to do so, if I ever have the misfortune to come across you and you maintain your own self-righteousness then I will not accept any of your bullshit, hence you would expect a formal complaint to the IPCA.

My Opinion is that cops take little reguard for the diversities in our culture, to make cude assumptions based on an incomplete responce to what is most likely a failed attempt to perform a simple task as to ascertain wheather a party has criminal intent. Then you my friend have failed the public in doing your duty.

I personally am over the 'Service' the NZ police have delivered of late and you can bet further unjustified procecution of hard working NZ Citizens, permanent residents and visitors to our nation will bring shame and disrupte upon the otherwise 'Honerable Police' unlike police who display behaviour as demonstrated by yourself.

This is an unacceptable attitude in my view and should not be tolerated by any member of the public, no wonder the reputation of NZ Police has fallen so dramatically. Big change needs to happen, we are not happy.


DB the second....

[PrincessBandit]

DB the second....

I'm sure Juzz976's post was a p/t.

Surely.

Although scumdog, I'm sure you know that "but I was only...." is such an ingrained opening gambit for every sentence from the time kids are kneehigh to a grasshopper that it's probably an auto response. Or was that your point...:msn-wink::devil2:

[R1madness]

its funny the responces people give when talking to the "FEDS". The i was just.... must get so boring. Do people really expect to be let off when they are fairly caught? Thats what radar detectors are for... to even up the game a little...

[crazyhorse]

......... Boy did she want her pound of flesh!



So, my question is. If she wanted a pound of flesh............ did you give it to her????????? :rofl: :rofl:

[PrincessBandit]

So, my question is. If she wanted a pound of flesh............ did you give it to her????????? :rofl: :rofl:

You are assuming he has a pound?

[Ronin]

Well thats just plain rude, if your a cop I am disgusted in your attitude.

I would consider your conduct unbecoming of an officer and would politly request you adjust that.

Failing to do so, if I ever have the misfortune to come across you and you maintain your own self-righteousness then I will not accept any of your bullshit, hence you would expect a formal complaint to the IPCA.

My Opinion is that cops take little reguard for the diversities in our culture, to make cude assumptions based on an incomplete responce to what is most likely a failed attempt to perform a simple task as to ascertain wheather a party has criminal intent. Then you my friend have failed the public in doing your duty.

I personally am over the 'Service' the NZ police have delivered of late and you can bet further unjustified procecution of hard working NZ Citizens, permanent residents and visitors to our nation will bring shame and disrupte upon the otherwise 'Honerable Police' unlike police who display behaviour as demonstrated by yourself.

This is an unacceptable attitude in my view and should not be tolerated by any member of the public, no wonder the reputation of NZ Police has fallen so dramatically. Big change needs to happen, we are not happy.

Is Tauranga near Edgcumb by any chance?

:wari: