Dial-up Vs Broadband

[OV Lander]

A big reason broadband is a problem is due to the predatory practices of Telecom both in pricing and holding back the technology

Interesting political statement, buddy. I wonder if unbundling will really deliver all the services the Commerce Commission believe it will, and to all areas? :beer:

[warewolf]

I wonder if unbundling will really deliver all the services the Commerce Commission believe it will, and to all areas? :beer:This discussion is highly off topic, but let me just say that the fact that the Commerce Commission is interested at all proves my point.

[twotyred]

Interesting political statement, buddy. I wonder if unbundling will really deliver all the services the Commerce Commission believe it will, and to all areas? :beer:

No IMHO... (20 years in the Telecommunication industry)

[OV Lander]

Yeah, it is off topic, but since you broadened the thread why not discuss it?


that the Commerce Commission is interested at all proves my point.

Er, no. It doesn't. Simply demonstrates a government keen to 'be seen' to be acting upon the grumbles of others having given away the network 21 years ago.

The cost of delivering to rural areas will always be high and therefore unlikely to be profitable. Just like railways and other infrastructure services.

So, why would any new telco rush out and deliver services to unprofitable regions when there are so many more profitable places to try first... such as Auckland, Wellington & Christchurch?

[warewolf]

Yeah, it is off topic, but since you broadened the thread why not discuss it?Because it is a political hot-potato that I'm not interested in getting involved with the details?

But in short, I wasn't even thinking about the diverse geographical network. I have issues with how Telecom acts in the high-density areas. (As a 'country boy' I'm well aware of the difficulties of providing infrastructure outside the major centres.)


Er, no. It doesn't. Simply demonstrates a government keen to 'be seen' to be acting upon the grumbles of othersI'm saying where there's smoke there's fire.

[Okey Dokey]

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Steam summed it all up so succinctly ....

"Those dialup people deserve to suffer anyway, povety-stricken maggots"

[OV Lander]

Because it is a political hot-potato that I'm not interested in getting involved with the details?


...so why raise it then? and with such intense/emotive language? :scratch:

[Zukin]

Telecom are a sham
For fecks sake we cant even get caller ID etc, and we live in a city :pinch:

Explain that

[warewolf]

...so why raise it then? and with such intense/emotive language? :scratch:The point was raised to compare Telecom's known bad behaviour to that of KB - not to launch into a discussion about Telecom.

[Jantar]

Interesting political statement, buddy. I wonder if unbundling will really deliver all the services the Commerce Commission believe it will, and to all areas? :beer:

It may do so in the cities and larger towns, but I believe rural subscribers will miss out again.

[James Deuce]

Wairarapa Rural DSL subscribers get better broadband speeds in both directions than Wellington City subscribers.

Please explain.

[Big Dave]

Wairarapa Rural DSL subscribers get better broadband speeds in both directions than Wellington City subscribers.

Please explain.

Wellington sucks.

[Mikkel]

One significant downside to broadband:

WE CAN NOT FUCKING GET IT AT OUT HOUSE!!! FFS, we're talking 2008 and "sorry, the local exchange does not support anymore broadband connections..." is what we get from the ISPs.

I'm pretty pissed off by this and have been considering willfully sabotaging the exchange until they chuck a new one in... Alas, it goes against my nature.

[kiwifruit]

I'm happy with my dial up :yes:

[Mikkel]

I'm happy with my dial up :yes:

Clearly, the man is insane! :eek: :crazy:

[kiwifruit]

Clearly, the man is insane! :eek: :crazy:

It does everything i require it to....
*is content*

[Mikkel]

It does everything i require it to....
*is content*

Good thing not all of us are addicted to porn... There may still be hope for humanity ;)

[Subike]

Telescum dsl connection here in Greta Valley is sweet as :wari:

But that could be because I am only 100 meters from my exchange booster box at the top of my drive!
Bugger!

[Swoop]

I'm happy with my dial up :yes:
Likewise. When NZ finally gets broadband I might consider upgrading then. The pathetic excuse for the current service is a ripoff price for shit product/service.

[HornetBoy]

Couldnt use the internet without some sort of broadband speed ,gets me too pissed off useing dialup ,sit their for hours trying to load up youtube videos ,and search kb etc

But the amount of times the bloody service collapses is shocking

[idb]

Likewise. When NZ finally get's broadband I might consider upgrading then. The pathetic excuse for the current service is a ripoff price for shit product/service.

Same...and agree.

[Jantar]

I'm 10.3 km from the exchange by road, over 12 kms by wire (it goes around a loop, and I believe we may get broadband in about 20 years time.

[Number One]

When NZ finally get's broadband I might consider upgrading then. The pathetic excuse for the current service is a ripoff price for shit product/service.

+1! AND everyone bloody knows it. Compared with the rest of the world we are living in the dark ages and getting shafted for it too :bash:

[merv]

Once we had broadband and networked all the PCs in the house its been magic - never looked back. Dial up - sheeeeezzz, glad I've forgotten it.

[Jeremy]

One significant downside to broadband:

WE CAN NOT FUCKING GET IT AT OUT HOUSE!!! FFS, we're talking 2008 and "sorry, the local exchange does not support anymore broadband connections..." is what we get from the ISPs.

I'm pretty pissed off by this and have been considering willfully sabotaging the exchange until they chuck a new one in... Alas, it goes against my nature.

have you asked Telecom? They reserve slots for their customers, so try to get DSL with them and then switch to a different isp.

[Slicksta]

Bring on full nz coverage wimax (like that is every gonna happen) what was it 2006 when woosh said they would bring it to Hamilton, the problem is this country is to small for anyone to really care about us. So i guess we will have to live with it crap pings ect makes online gaming on the ps3 a nightmare.

[paulj]

Cry babies - I use dialup - wonderful - only on the way out - the other bit coming in is from 35,000kMs - my last account was $150/month for 5.5Gb - yeah - 5.5Gb of tits and ass .... whaaroooooooo hoot hoot hoot - sheesh - my eyes are gotting bid ....

Byeeeeeeeee:woohoo:

[OV Lander]

have been considering willfully sabotaging the exchange until they chuck a new one in.

You may have noticed the discussion around new roadside cabinets in the media? Each cabinet is a "mini exchange" so your new exchange is not that far away now! Each cabinet will offer broadband to more people at higher speeds. The cost? $1.4bn over 3-4 years.

[OV Lander]

Wairarapa Rural DSL subscribers get better broadband speeds in both directions than Wellington City subscribers.

Please explain.

Some basic DSL facts:
A - the nearer you live near to the exchange/cabinet the faster the speed
B - the fewer users who share your network branch the greater the speed

So....
- to have DSL you must be less than 5kms from the exchange/cabinet
- how many neighbours do you have?

[OV Lander]

I am only 100 meters from my exchange booster box at the top of my drive!
Bugger! (Cabinet)


You ain't gonna top that!

[James Deuce]

Some basic DSL facts:
A - the nearer you live near to the exchange/cabinet the faster the speed
B - the fewer users who share your network branch the greater the speed

So....
- to have DSL you must be less than 5kms from the exchange/cabinet
- how many neighbours do you have?

Not necessarily.

You can live right next door, but if they are pair sharing, as they do at many RLUs and NEAX 61Es you may well be right out of luck altogther. NZ's PSTN defies the generally accepted rules thanks to some undisclosed corporation refusing to reinvest in infrastructure and then piling crappy fix after crappy fix on top of each other.

They shouldn't be spending ANYTHING on extending a copper network AT ALL.

[OV Lander]

if they are pair sharing, as they do at many RLUs and NEAX 61Es you may well be right out of luck altogther.

Had not intended to get too technical, but exactly what I mean by sharing... ...of course, could be worse if you were off a K, or even an M!!


They shouldn't be spending ANYTHING on extending a copper network AT ALL.

The new Cabinets will be extending the fibre network, not the copper network.... ...as I suspect you well know :2guns:

[James Deuce]

Had not intended to get too technical, but exactly what I mean by sharing... ...of course, could be worse if you were off a K, or even an M!!



The new Cabinets will be extending the fibre network, not the copper network.... ...as I suspect you well know :2guns:

Still copper to the subscriber.

Dumb idea.

[CookMySock]

"Those dialup people deserve to suffer anyway, povety-stricken maggots"BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

DB

[CookMySock]

Wairarapa Rural DSL subscribers get better broadband speeds in both directions than Wellington City subscribers.

Please explain.
Coz the exchange is less heavily loaded.

DB

[CookMySock]

"sorry, the local exchange does not support anymore broadband connections..." is what we get from the ISPs.share someone elses with a wireless link.

DB