Bike stolen in Herne Bay, Auckland (4 March)

[Inno]

Hi All,

Yesterday (04/03/08) I arrived home and found my bike to be stolen :( It was parked outside on the off street parking area at my apartment, under a bike cover.

I probably won't ever see it back, but thought posting a msg here would not Hurt.

It's a black Kawasaki ZZR600 '92. Done high mileage (over 90kkm) and has got quite some cracks and scratches in the fairing. Rego is 67ULG.

I've recently moved to Herne Bay, and it was not even parked there for 2 weeks.

If anyone sees it around somewhere or gets offered parts etc.. I'd like to know..

Cheers,

[Ragingrob]

Really where in Herne Bay? I'm around that area a bit cause my gf lives there. Will definitely keep a lookout!

[YellowDog]

Hey, that's crap news.

Good luck with getting her back.

[Sofa]

Ha, I'm real sorry to hear that, but not really surprised to be honest. I live in Herne Bay too (Ragingrob's gf) and there are a lot of shitty little teenage kids around with low-life friends (ie. my brother, but don't worry I know it wasn't him).. It kinda sucks cos you'd think it'd be a safe as area, but the problem is that the South Auckland (sorry to all South Aucklanders) culture has infiltrated into "posh" areas like Herne Bay, Ponsonby and Remas..

Sorry to hear about that, and if I find out it was one of my brother's many mates I'll let you know k? :bash:

Good luck with finding it

[BiK3RChiK]

What really pisses me off with this kind of thing is that these little f***s have never worked a day in their bloody life and don't know what it's like to grind one's fingers to the bone scrimping and saving until one gets what one has been dreaming about forever, just to have some little a**hole come along and nick it! Losers!

My sympathies man! I hope they get what's coming to them!! And I hope you get your bike back...

M

[tone_crafter]

I know the feeling :( My bike was stolen a few months ago from Grey Lynn/Ponsonby. Every time I pass a bike that looks like it I have a really close look and think to myself is that mine? Hope your insured.

[breakaway]

Not to be a knob, but anyone who parks their bike off street, at any part of any town is just asking for trouble. I would never let either of my bikes sit on the street, ever. Not if I'm at a friends house, or if I'm at work. At the very least if you absolutely have to do it, get a ground anchor and one of those thick as chains that morons can't saw through and lock the frame.

[HungusMaximist]

Not to be a knob, but anyone who parks their bike off street, at any part of any town is just asking for trouble. I would never let either of my bikes sit on the street, ever. Not if I'm at a friends house, or if I'm at work. At the very least if you absolutely have to do it, get a ground anchor and one of those thick as chains that morons can't saw through and lock the frame.

I don't think it's gotten to the point where you can't park your bike in town anymore.

But just to be sure if you have flash bike, don't park it in plain view and at least have a d lock/cable lock and lock it on to something solid, and combine it with a disc lock. Steering wheel lock it, flick the kill switch on and then chuck your bike in 1st.

Take precautions as much as possible and keep in mind that if you can afford a $14,000 Bike, $30 bucks for a disc lock and $100-200 bucks for an alarm isn't that much. But you'll be surprised that alot of us out there don't even bother with a disc lock.

[Ragingrob]

Not to be a knob, but anyone who parks their bike off street, at any part of any town is just asking for trouble. I would never let either of my bikes sit on the street, ever. Not if I'm at a friends house, or if I'm at work. At the very least if you absolutely have to do it, get a ground anchor and one of those thick as chains that morons can't saw through and lock the frame.

Um not to be a knob, but I think OFF street, means "not on the street". I.e. in his apartment complex parking as he's said. Maybe you should read it properly before commenting?

[HungusMaximist]

If anyone sees it around somewhere or gets offered parts etc.. I'd like to know..

Cheers,

I'll let the uni boys know to look out for it, we've got the txt to bash scheme implemented so be sure to let us know if you anything is up.

Btw, you don't happen to go to Uni by any chance?

[avrflr]

Can't park off the street, can't park on it. :laugh: Sorry to hear that, bad luck.

I always had the impression that there were relatively few bike thieves in NZ. Years ago I used to park my bike in the middle of the city (ON the street) and would occasionally leave the keys in the ignition by mistake. Never had a problem. I just assumed scummy types didn't know how to ride a bike - more interested in Subarus etc. I guess one of the consequences of motorcycling becoming more popular is that there will be more thieving bastards with the ability to nick your pride and joy.

[Swoop]

Will put a bit of sticky with 67ULG onto the tacho.

[MaxB]

Ha, I'm real sorry to hear that, but not really surprised to be honest. I live in Herne Bay too (Ragingrob's gf) and there are a lot of shitty little teenage kids around with low-life friends (ie. my brother, but don't worry I know it wasn't him).. It kinda sucks cos you'd think it'd be a safe as area, but the problem is that the South Auckland (sorry to all South Aucklanders) culture has infiltrated into "posh" areas like Herne Bay, Ponsonby and Remas..

Sorry to hear about that, and if I find out it was one of my brother's many mates I'll let you know k? :bash:

Good luck with finding it

Thanks for the apology but I'm not sure theres any evidence to suggest these crims came from South Auckland. In any case doesn't the gang/rapper culture come from the USA? You can find it in most smaller towns.

My guess is that it was a local joyrider out for a thrill or someone getting some 'discount' parts.

Like avrflr hints at the local shitbags are only interested if it looks like a Harley.

[Ragingrob]

Thanks for the apology but I'm not sure theres any evidence to suggest these crims came from South Auckland. In any case doesn't the gang/rapper culture come from the USA? You can find it in most smaller towns.

My guess is that it was a local joyrider out for a thrill or someone getting some 'discount' parts.

Like avrflr hints at the local shitbags are only interested if it looks like a Harley.

I don't think she was hinting that the actual theif came from South Auckland, just how the attitude of people around these areas is heading towards that more like South Auckland. More like kids just trying to be "cool" and gangsta g what nigga bro ow... kinda thing.

That stabbing last year leading to the Grammar kid's death happened just down the road from you, that's one example where it actually was a South Aucklander.

A lot of the older areas in Ponsonby and Herne Bay (all those skinny as roads meant for horse carriages) are filled up with state housing, which is exactly how South Auckland started out. With the different cultures migrating to NZ.

There have been many stolen bikes around Auckland even right outside uni, my thoughts are must be some kinda organised crew who know what they want and scope it out then I guess they must sell for parts, or sell off to gangs for an example. I'm pretty sure half the harleys etc that the bigger gangs in NZ ride would be stolen and non-registered and non-WOFed, but cops are too scared to go near them so yeah lol.

[Waxxa]

Will keep an eye out too Inno. ZZR 600 67 ULG black.....

Good Luck!

[Inno]

Damn that's a lot of responses :) Thanks for the support all. The bike was stolen from Sarsfield St, close to bridge. (i'm not at uni btw..)

I really wonder what they want to do with the bike. It's insured and all, but you all know that's not the point. Also, there are not alot of those bikes around, and it's been writtten off in a minor single sided accident before (bought it back from insurance), so on fairing level there is really not that much usefull on it. Milaege is high too so gearbox etc is not perfect. It just goes really well :)

Going to call arond some wreckers tomorrow, prob not much use but at least doing someting about it.

About the parking, it was off-street, behind a wall and with a bike-cover on it. So it must have been "checked out" before. I recently moved and did not have the luxary to look around for a while. The cover is gone as well, and it's not something you stuff in your pocket, so probably a van was used (??).

Anyhoe, appreciate all the comments, I'll keep you guys updated.

Cheers,

[MaxB]

I'll keep my eyes peeled. Looks like you have lots of people looking out for youre bike. Good luck.

[Sofa]

Thanks for the apology but I'm not sure theres any evidence to suggest these crims came from South Auckland. In any case doesn't the gang/rapper culture come from the USA? You can find it in most smaller towns.

My guess is that it was a local joyrider out for a thrill or someone getting some 'discount' parts.

Like avrflr hints at the local shitbags are only interested if it looks like a Harley.



I don't think she was hinting that the actual theif came from South Auckland, just how the attitude of people around these areas is heading towards that more like South Auckland. More like kids just trying to be "cool" and gangsta g what nigga bro ow... kinda thing.

That stabbing last year leading to the Grammar kid's death happened just down the road from you, that's one example where it actually was a South Aucklander.

A lot of the older areas in Ponsonby and Herne Bay (all those skinny as roads meant for horse carriages) are filled up with state housing, which is exactly how South Auckland started out. With the different cultures migrating to NZ.

There have been many stolen bikes around Auckland even right outside uni, my thoughts are must be some kinda organised crew who know what they want and scope it out then I guess they must sell for parts, or sell off to gangs for an example. I'm pretty sure half the harleys etc that the bigger gangs in NZ ride would be stolen and non-registered and non-WOFed, but cops are too scared to go near them so yeah lol.

Thank you.

[Livvy]

Damn that's a lot of responses :) Thanks for the support all. The bike was stolen from Sarsfield St, close to bridge. (i'm not at uni btw..)

I really wonder what they want to do with the bike. It's insured and all, but you all know that's not the point. Also, there are not alot of those bikes around, and it's been writtten off in a minor single sided accident before (bought it back from insurance), so on fairing level there is really not that much usefull on it. Milaege is high too so gearbox etc is not perfect. It just goes really well :)

Going to call arond some wreckers tomorrow, prob not much use but at least doing someting about it.

About the parking, it was off-street, behind a wall and with a bike-cover on it. So it must have been "checked out" before. I recently moved and did not have the luxary to look around for a while. The cover is gone as well, and it's not something you stuff in your pocket, so probably a van was used (??).

Anyhoe, appreciate all the comments, I'll keep you guys updated.

Cheers,
My ex had his bike stolen, and his was a shitty little bike. The fact is, if they're intent on stealing it, it doesn't so much matter how good it is - if it's too good, they're more likely to get caught, if it's worse, there'll be less fuss made about it so they can probably get away with it. It still sucks but at least you were insured.

Have you tried door-knocking in your local area? Maybe someone saw something.

[Forest]

A lot of the older areas in Ponsonby and Herne Bay (all those skinny as roads meant for horse carriages) are filled up with state housing, which is exactly how South Auckland started out. With the different cultures migrating to NZ.


Herne Bay was a notorious slum.

I've seen historical film footage of council wrecking crews pulling down slum buildings just after WW II.

[goodguy8]

Y DOES IT ALWAYS COME DOWN TO SOUTH AUCKLAND?!! ITS SOO FRUSTRATING WHEN PPL JUST SIMPLY SAY 'SOUTH AUCKLAND' WHEN ITS NOT SOUTH AUCKLAND. There is just two suburbs in "South Auckland" which I think could be classed as so called "dodgy" area.. but i live in manukau and its pree much like herne bay and ponsonby and so called "posh" areas... Its funny how human nature is to generalise the whole of south auckland as bad influence when there is just a few ppl..


PS. Sorry about the capitals.. Ride safe and Hope you get ure bike back... il keep an eye out in SOUTH AUCKLAND...

[Disco Dan]

Saw one on sunday - albany megacentre carpark - scratch here and there on right side and masking tape around cracked indicator nacelle. Had big chicken strips on both tires. Did not remember rego sorry.

[Disco Dan]

Hi All,

Yesterday (04/03/08) I arrived home and found my bike to be stolen :( It was parked outside on the off street parking area at my apartment, under a bike cover.

I probably won't ever see it back, but thought posting a msg here would not Hurt.

It's a black Kawasaki ZZR600 '92. Done high mileage (over 90kkm) and has got quite some cracks and scratches in the fairing. Rego is 67ULG.

I've recently moved to Herne Bay, and it was not even parked there for 2 weeks.

If anyone sees it around somewhere or gets offered parts etc.. I'd like to know..

Cheers,

oh btw, get yourself one of these things...

[LilSel]

We caught theives tryng to steal my ZZR250 last year!!...

That really sucks mate... best of luck in finding it, I shall keep my eyes out too.

[tone_crafter]

We caught theives tryng to steal my ZZR250 last year!!...

That really sucks mate... best of luck in finding it, I shall keep my eyes out too.

What did you do to them?

[Waxxa]

Hey discodan, you need to burr off the edges on the bolts of the floor plate .Wouldnt take much to take a socket and undo the bolts.....

[carver]

Hey discodan, you need to burr off the edges on the bolts of the floor plate .Wouldnt take much to take a socket and undo the bolts.....

haah....yeah...mormon few, borrowing bikes since ages ago

[Nade]

Hey discodan, you need to burr off the edges on the bolts of the floor plate .Wouldnt take much to take a socket and undo the bolts.....

lol..undo the bolts...and then wot? push it with a chain through the wheel and a steel plate padlocked to it? I see your point.....but like most things...a determined theif will always find a way eventually. We have actually dug up a couple of mates garage floors in the past and concreted in a heavy chain. its peice of mind really. :girlfight:

[LilSel]

What did you do to them?

they took off... reported it to the police etc... flatmate didnt get rego, she busted them, by the time I got out there they were gone :( caused close to a grands damage, they just picked it up!! carried it either over the fence or lifted it over the 4 or 5 cars blocking the drive.

[Inno]

Latest news. I got called by the Northshore Police this morning (7.25 am on saturday.. what are they tinking!!), They had good an bad news (I bet they say that all the time), They found my bike back, but it was involved in a fatal accident. Some corner they took too fast and could not handle.

I asked if they know if the rider was the one who stole it but they were still investigating it. so watch this space.

Thanks for look it out all... you can remove the postit notes with the rego from your speedo :)

[HungusMaximist]

They found my bike back, but it was involved in a fatal accident.

Is the fatal for the rider or your bike?

Or both?

Hope you have insurance! :wari:

[Dargor]

(7.25 am on saturday.. what are they tinking!!)Its not Saturday.

They had good an bad news (I bet they say that all the time), They found my bike back, but it was involved in a fatal accident. Some corner they took too fast and could not handle. This crash (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10499418) perhaps.

[homer]

I don't think it's gotten to the point where you can't park your bike in town anymore.

But just to be sure if you have flash bike, don't park it in plain view and at least have a d lock/cable lock and lock it on to something solid, and combine it with a disc lock. Steering wheel lock it, flick the kill switch on and then chuck your bike in 1st.

Take precautions as much as possible and keep in mind that if you can afford a $14,000 Bike, $30 bucks for a disc lock and $100-200 bucks for an alarm isn't that much. But you'll be surprised that alot of us out there don't even bother with a disc lock.

mine sits in a locked garage
i lock the stearing and put a disc lock on the rear "a cheepie" but its still a deterent .
If we go away i make sure i cable thru the wheels and lock to the floor as well .
I also lock the front 2 doors so they dont open

all up theres 5 lots of security
steering , disc ,cable ,doors of the shed , added locking of the tilt doors.

tilt doors only need a wire hooked under them to pull the steel wire that opens them .
Should i do any more

[Forest]

Latest news. I got called by the Northshore Police this morning (7.25 am on saturday.. what are they tinking!!), They had good an bad news (I bet they say that all the time), They found my bike back, but it was involved in a fatal accident. Some corner they took too fast and could not handle.

I asked if they know if the rider was the one who stole it but they were still investigating it. so watch this space.

Thanks for look it out all... you can remove the postit notes with the rego from your speedo :)

Justice has been served!!

Hope your insurance company doesn't give you too much grief.

[barty5]

just saw the news on this they missed the fact that the bike was stolen called it his bike. looks like he put it through a brick wall.

[Reckless]

oh btw, get yourself one of these things...

Disco you better weld the nuts on the Dynabolts to the plate. Or the nut to the threaded bit in the centre. Coupla small welds with an arc or Mig will make that 100%.
It doesn't look like you can bur or round them off to prevent the plate from being removed, not enough thread showing for that.
Just an Idea!!

[offrd]

Justice has been served!!

Hope your insurance company doesn't give you too much grief.

For sure!

:banana:

[Disco Dan]

Disco you better weld the nuts on the Dynabolts to the plate. Or the nut to the threaded bit in the centre. Coupla small welds with an arc or Mig will make that 100%.
It doesn't look like you can bur or round them off to prevent the plate from being removed, not enough thread showing for that.
Just an Idea!!

Yes, picture was taken mear minutes from it being installed. I have tightned the bolts more and welded the tops since then!!!

Picture was indicative of the security method rather than my own measures being incomplete! :spanking:


Cheers for pointing it out though! :)

[bugjuice]

karma's a bitch..

[SixPackBack]

oh btw, get yourself one of these things...

Dan that 'aint gunna stop a determined thief. Would take me 20 secs to bust that puppy.

[SixPackBack]

I think its more for the "theft by convenience" burglers as opposed to determined professional bike theives... nuttin stops dem fellas.

Dunno about thieving Speedie but from an Engineering design viewpoint I give it a 'fail'

[Donor]

From the bottom of this (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10499553&pnum=2) page of the Herald...

"The 27 year-old man who died after the motorbike he was riding slammed into a wall on the North Shore was Graham Livemore of Beach Haven.

Inspector Les Paterson said the motorbike - a high-performance model reported stolen from an Auckland address this month - had earlier been seen speeding."

Oh the irony of the name...

[Kickaha]

Dunno about thieving Speedie but from an Engineering design viewpoint I give it a 'fail'

How would you improve it?

[kave]

It's a black Kawasaki ZZR600 '92. Done high mileage (over 90kkm) and has got quite some cracks and scratches in the fairing.

Inspector Les Paterson said the motorbike - a high-performance model reported stolen from an Auckland address this month

Are you sure it was your bike in that accident? The police seem to think it was a high performance model that the thief was riding, and you would be hard pressed to describe a bike that is a 16 year old tourer as high performance. It'd be like calling a 1992 Holden Berlina a sports car.

:p:p:p:p

[BiK3RChiK]

From the bottom of this (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10499553&pnum=2) page of the Herald...

"The 27 year-old man who died after the motorbike he was riding slammed into a wall on the North Shore was Graham Livemore of Beach Haven.

Inspector Les Paterson said the motorbike - a high-performance model reported stolen from an Auckland address this month - had earlier been seen speeding."

Oh the irony of the name...

Irony indeed!:bye:

[Sofa]

I don't think she was hinting that the actual theif came from South Auckland, just how the attitude of people around these areas is heading towards that more like South Auckland. More like kids just trying to be "cool" and gangsta g what nigga bro ow... kinda thing.

That stabbing last year leading to the Grammar kid's death happened just down the road from you, that's one example where it actually was a South Aucklander.

A lot of the older areas in Ponsonby and Herne Bay (all those skinny as roads meant for horse carriages) are filled up with state housing, which is exactly how South Auckland started out. With the different cultures migrating to NZ.

There have been many stolen bikes around Auckland even right outside uni, my thoughts are must be some kinda organised crew who know what they want and scope it out then I guess they must sell for parts, or sell off to gangs for an example. I'm pretty sure half the harleys etc that the bigger gangs in NZ ride would be stolen and non-registered and non-WOFed, but cops are too scared to go near them so yeah lol.

Whoever gave me negative feedback, read this. And I'm sorry but half of it isn't to do with shitty parents, some kids go out of control on their own accord. Try experiencing it.

[SixPackBack]

How would you improve it?

1 piece high carbon S/S material [hardenable and resistant to rust, gas torch and bolt cutters]. Couple this with a 'shroud' to cover the concrete bolts and a far more resistant anchor would be the result.

'Course this would not be overly resistant to grinding wheel attack. Grinding wheels are loud however and other simpler steps could be taken to guard against this.

A little harder to design and implement is the fastening device between the bike and anchor. Traditional chains and wire have been proven to provide no resistance to bolt cutters.

[Ragingrob]

Y DOES IT ALWAYS COME DOWN TO SOUTH AUCKLAND?!! ITS SOO FRUSTRATING WHEN PPL JUST SIMPLY SAY 'SOUTH AUCKLAND' WHEN ITS NOT SOUTH AUCKLAND. There is just two suburbs in "South Auckland" which I think could be classed as so called "dodgy" area.. but i live in manukau and its pree much like herne bay and ponsonby and so called "posh" areas... Its funny how human nature is to generalise the whole of south auckland as bad influence when there is just a few ppl..


PS. Sorry about the capitals.. Ride safe and Hope you get ure bike back... il keep an eye out in SOUTH AUCKLAND...

Lol, Manukau like Ponsonby and Herne Bay? Yeah I think not... I think a lot more people would feel ok walking around the streets at night in Ponsonby and opposed to Manukau.

And I think there are more than just a few people that make SOUTH AUCKLAND dodgy.

[xwhatsit]

I live in Mangere Bridge -- supposedly one of the nicer, quieter parts of South Auckland -- and it's, er, no Herne Bay.

I feel quite conflicted about this 27 year-old's death. Some people seem to be saying `good riddance', but I'm not sure I'd go that far. Hopefully it remains written off anyway? I wouldn't want to touch the bike after all that, personally.

[HungusMaximist]

Holy Smokes!

I took my Katana for a blat yesterday and actually was in Clevedon around 4ish and the roads were blocked by cops at start of Kawakawa Rd.

I had a gut instinct that a crash must've happened but had no idea it was this bad.

Hope the older sister pulls through!

[Teflon]

From the bottom of this (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10499553&pnum=2) page of the Herald...

"The 27 year-old man who died after the motorbike he was riding slammed into a wall on the North Shore was Graham Livemore of Beach Haven.

Inspector Les Paterson said the motorbike - a high-performance model reported stolen from an Auckland address this month - had earlier been seen speeding."

Oh the irony of the name...

Hahaha.. good fucking job:sunny:

Sorry about your bike dude.. if it was my bike, i would go piss on the cunts grave..

[Okey Dokey]

I hate thieves, and am far more sorry that your property was stolen and destroyed than that a thief (asuming that is who was on it) killed himself. Glad he didn't injure or kill anyone else.

I hope that insurance will let you get a great replacement bike.

[slopster]

Thats a fucking mint outcome. He won't be doing that again!

[Disco Dan]

1 piece high carbon S/S material [hardenable and resistant to rust, gas torch and bolt cutters]. Couple this with a 'shroud' to cover the concrete bolts and a far more resistant anchor would be the result.

'Course this would not be overly resistant to grinding wheel attack. Grinding wheels are loud however and other simpler steps could be taken to guard against this.

A little harder to design and implement is the fastening device between the bike and anchor. Traditional chains and wire have been proven to provide no resistance to bolt cutters.

I like the sound of that. You seem to know what your talking about! Engineer I guess? Can you make any suggestions for improvements on the existing design? I have since welded the tops.

My Dad's an engineer, mostly sheet metal stuff - he made the anchor for me.

Worked with him a few times and it is amazing - imagine fabricating a section of ducting that starts as 12" circle, through a 62 degree bend and finishing as a square duct to fit to the next section - the calculations, the folds etc is just incredible! Very complex!

He helped install the bungy platform on the skytower, as well as installing huge air exctractors which had to be taken up the lifts - such a tight fit that they had to go in without anyone to push the button!! haha! He has photos of him hanging of the side of the skytower full harness gear bolting the buggers on!

[FROSTY]

Dunno about thieving Speedie but from an Engineering design viewpoint I give it a 'fail'
I like my totally legal solution to the problem. 14000 volt electric fence.
Ya hafta occasionally clean off the crispy critters but owt gets stolen :2thumbsup

[SixPackBack]

I like the sound of that. You seem to know what your talking about! Engineer I guess? Can you make any suggestions for improvements on the existing design? I have since welded the tops.

My Dad's an engineer, mostly sheet metal stuff - he made the anchor for me.

Worked with him a few times and it is amazing - imagine fabricating a section of ducting that starts as 12" circle, through a 62 degree bend and finishing as a square duct to fit to the next section - the calculations, the folds etc is just incredible! Very complex!

He helped install the bungy platform on the skytower, as well as installing huge air exctractors which had to be taken up the lifts - such a tight fit that they had to go in without anyone to push the button!! haha! He has photos of him hanging of the side of the skytower full harness gear bolting the buggers on!

Yes I'm an Engineer and over the years I have given bike security a bit of thought.


I like my totally legal solution to the problem. 14000 volt electric fence.
Ya hafta occasionally clean off the crispy critters but owt gets stolen :2thumbsup

Do you have a sign up notifying the unwary?

A well trained Rottweiler is one hell of a deterrent as well, fooken hard to get past one of those [poisoned meat will not be consumed by a well trained dog and not much short of a gun will get you past one....they are also noisy as all hell]

[FROSTY]

Do you have a sign up notifying the unwary?
Yep--and its 200mm inside a chain wire fence with razor wire on top
Basicly if they touch the lekkie stuff theyre pretty committed to breaking in--ya cant do it by accident

[Mully]

Morning all,

From the Sunday Star Times today, Mr Livemore's friends are quoted as saying that he had paid cash for the bike and he would not have been involved with it's theft.

Police have estimated his speed at over 200km/h before he went through the brick wall.

Apparently, he was also disqualified.

[Forest]

Morning all,

From the Sunday Star Times today, Mr Livemore's friends are quoted as saying that he had paid cash for the bike and he would not have been involved with it's theft.

Police have estimated his speed at over 200km/h before he went through the brick wall.

Apparently, he was also disqualified.

Yep - I read that this morning.

Doing 200km/h on a suburban street on a stolen bike while disqualified from driving.

The only tragedy in this story is the damage caused to the brick wall.

[Calo]

Does anybody actually believe his "friends" though?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10499781

[Nasty]

More news to light .. e.g. he bought a stolen bike - revised my thoughts ... loutish behaviour respects no one.

[Finn]

Excellent news! They should make his parents fix that persons wall and take down all the flowers and shit. Die scumsuckers, die...

[The Pastor]

Police estimate that Mr Livemore was doing about 80km/h at the time of the crash.

[BAD DAD]

The only tragedy in this story is the damage caused to the brick wall.

Not to mention one beloved motorcycle.

[SixPackBack]

What a bunch of sad fucks you lot are.

*Newsflash*...............stealing a motorcycle is not worth the death penalty.

[discotex]

Police estimate that Mr Livemore was doing about 80km/h at the time of the crash.

Interesting to see in the paper that the Police believe he may have been doing a runner from them when he saw their lights. The were on the way to another call out though.

Reackon this one should be submitted to the Darwin awards. Bet you the dude was on P and paranoided out.

[barty5]

i lost my brand new bike last year just before xmas and couldnt think of a better way for the prick to go hopefully he trys to jump it a breaks his freakin neck

[jrandom]

couldnt think of a better way for the prick to go

If you read the thread on the fatal crash in Glenfield, you'll see that there's a good chance that the rider had simply bought the stolen motorcycle and was unaware of its provenance.

These kneejerk reactions are tiresome.

I'd say that the vast majority of stolen motorcycles are immediately sold, parted out or otherwise dealt with to minimise risk and get a fast cash return. You'd be very unlikely to see them simply being ridden around by the thief in the same state they were stolen in.

The inevitable braying mobs of thoughtless self-righteous idiots in such situations don't do any more for my faith in human nature than the bike thieves themselves.

[georgie]

If you read the thread on the fatal crash in Glenfield, you'll see that there's a good chance that the rider had simply bought the stolen motorcycle and was unaware of its provenance.

These kneejerk reactions are tiresome.

I'd say that the vast majority of stolen motorcycles are immediately sold, parted out or otherwise dealt with to minimise risk and get a fast cash return. You'd be very unlikely to see them simply being ridden around by the thief in the same state they were stolen in.

The inevitable braying mobs of thoughtless self-righteous idiots in such situations don't do any more for my faith in human nature than the bike thieves themselves.

Here here, well said.

[slopster]

If you read the thread on the fatal crash in Glenfield, you'll see that there's a good chance that the rider had simply bought the stolen motorcycle and was unaware of its provenance.

These kneejerk reactions are tiresome.

I'd say that the vast majority of stolen motorcycles are immediately sold, parted out or otherwise dealt with to minimise risk and get a fast cash return. You'd be very unlikely to see them simply being ridden around by the thief in the same state they were stolen in.

The inevitable braying mobs of thoughtless self-righteous idiots in such situations don't do any more for my faith in human nature than the bike thieves themselves.

Even if the rider wasn't the theif he must have brought the bike for a ridiculously low price for a dodgy individual who had no ownership papers etc etc. He would have known it was stolen and thats no better then stealing it yourself.

[Okey Dokey]

The inevitable braying mobs of thoughtless self-righteous idiots in such situations don't do any more for my faith in human nature than the bike thieves themselves.

For what it's worth, I took quite some time before posting my thoughts because I found it really sad that my heart was so hard. I even thought about it being Easter and reflected on forgiveness. Stealing a bike doesn't deserve the death penalty, but I've come to realise that the same people who steal often do a lot of other bad/illegal things, too. And sadly, I still feel more bad for the guy who did nothing wrong and had his hard-earned bike stolen than I do for the disqualified speeder, and possible thief, who died.


I guess I'm just sick of it. I'm not gloating over the fact that he has died. I also believe that it would have been pretty obvious that the bike was stolen if he did indeed buy it, for reasons someone else has already posted.

[marty]

If you read the thread on the fatal crash in Glenfield, you'll see that there's a good chance that the rider had simply bought the stolen motorcycle and was unaware of its provenance.

These kneejerk reactions are tiresome.

I'd say that the vast majority of stolen motorcycles are immediately sold, parted out or otherwise dealt with to minimise risk and get a fast cash return. You'd be very unlikely to see them simply being ridden around by the thief in the same state they were stolen in.

The inevitable braying mobs of thoughtless self-righteous idiots in such situations don't do any more for my faith in human nature than the bike thieves themselves.

although jR, there's bought, and there's 'bought'.

$500 at the pub does not constitute a legitimate purchase.

call me a cynical old bastard, but disqualified, racing around, possibly doing a runner from an imaginary police chase, on a stolen bike? Mr Darwin's ghost was following him very closely I would imagine....

[Toaster]

Sounds like he would have met the tests applied in court for receiving stolen property and likely unlawfully takes a motorvehicle due to the proximity in time to the actual act of theft. Its a common law principle.

[barty5]

so i a space of just over two weeks it has its lock replaced dressed up with papers etc etc and sold again to some unsupecting guy who then dose a runner the first site of flashing ligts he see. Im no saint but i dont run frm the cops just cause im going a little faster than i should. I dont beleave he didnt knowit was a hot bike at all.

[discotex]

If you read the thread on the fatal crash in Glenfield, you'll see that there's a good chance that the rider had simply bought the stolen motorcycle and was unaware of its provenance.


We interrupt this thread to bring your this breaking news:

Witnesses overheard suggestions for the new Tui advert in Glenfield...

"He didn't know it was stolen"
"He wasn't speeding"
"There were no legal or illegal substances involved"

I agree the lynching gets tiring but it wouldn't be KB without it would it :)

[Inno]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10499781

The link lists the "easter toll". The Police told me it was involved in a fatal accident on the North Shore, so as there are no other bike incidents in the article I assume it's that one.

I agree on the high performance, was defenaltey more a tourer than a high-performance but for the untrained eye it looked like a fast one..

[steved]

[url]I agree on the high performance, was defenaltey more a tourer than a high-performance but for the untrained eye it looked like a fast one..

You did your best to turn it into a streetfighter though eh?

Weird situation. Just weird.

[mister.koz]

What a bad cluster of shit surrounding your poor bike, its got to gut you dude.

My first thought would be something about retribution and the like but with the whole death on the table I'm a little torn... Whether the guy stole it or bought it, he must have known it wasn't on the level and riding while disqualified and speeding away from cops... its a cocktail of reckless stupidity.

Hope you get something back from insurance, i wouldn't wanna be near the remains of your bike :eek5:

[Patrick]

..., or sell off to gangs for an example. I'm pretty sure half the harleys etc that the bigger gangs in NZ ride would be stolen and non-registered and non-WOFed, but cops are too scared to go near them so yeah lol.

That is probably the part that earned ya some red... too scared...??? Pfffttttt....


From the Sunday Star Times today, Mr Livemore's friends are quoted as saying that he had paid cash for the bike and he would not have been involved with it's theft.

Police have estimated his speed at over 200km/h before he went through the brick wall.

Apparently, he was also disqualified.

No papers? In a pub perhaps?? The "friends" will surely know who he "bought" it from... How much???

Disqualified too... Hmmm... a real gem of society too, perhaps?


What a bunch of sad fucks you lot are.

*Newsflash*...............stealing a motorcycle is not worth the death penalty.

Check out the comments in any stolen bike thread on here. If it went to a vote, you might lose on that one...


Even if the rider wasn't the theif he must have brought the bike for a ridiculously low price for a dodgy individual who had no ownership papers etc etc. He would have known it was stolen and thats no better then stealing it yourself.

Beat me to it... see above....

[Duc]

His mates thought he was "an awesome dude".

I guess that means they condone his actions.

[Inno]

Here here, well said.

Don't get me wrong, I don't wish anyone to die, not even the one that stole my bike, but you have to admit that he must have been some dodgy character.

You buy a bike, and don't change ownership / ask for the keys? You must know something is wrong.

He must have been TOTALLY aware he was riding a stolen bike and just freaked out when he saw the cops.. tragic accident which might not have happened if he didn't freak out... which might not have happened if he didn't buy a stolen bike..

[Patrick]

Don't get me wrong, I don't wish anyone to die, not even the one that stole my bike, but you have to admit that he must have been some dodgy character.

You buy a bike, and don't change ownership / ask for the keys? You must know something is wrong.

He must have been TOTALLY aware he was riding a stolen bike and just freaked out when he saw the cops.. tragic accident which might not have happened if he didn't freak out... which might not have happened if he didn't buy a stolen bike..

He was already speeding towards the oncoming patrol car which had its red and blues on (as I read it...). A "Darwin Award" winner if ever there was one...

[slopster]

Yeah unless they cut a new set of keys an innocent person would think twice about buying a bike that you had to start with a screwdriver!

[barty5]

He was already speeding towards the oncoming patrol car which had its red and blues on (as I read it...). A "Darwin Award" winner if ever there was one...

but werent they were supper cops who knew he would be speeding at that time and place they just got the direction wrong the gut was a complete dumb arse.

[ritchtheitch]

Fluck it, it seems pretty obvious the guy either stole it himself, or knew it was likely stolen. (as bad as each other IMHO..)

Having had stuff ripped off I know how gutting it feels. I have never (thankfully) had my bike stolen, but this is a site for those that love bikes and love to ride, so not surprising the majority doesn't seem to approve of those that either steal bikes, or receive that stolen property..

Possibly one of those cases where the wrongdoer got a little more than he deserved, when in the current PC environment so many don't..

And while I hear Jrandom saying not many people would be dumb enough to still be in possession of a hot bike so long after it was stolen, there are those that are exactly that dumb.

I am sure some people will mourn him. but I won't.

[ritchtheitch]

Fluck it, it seems pretty obvious the guy either stole it himself, or knew it was likely stolen. (as bad as each other IMHO..)

Having had stuff ripped off I know how gutting it feels. I have never (thankfully) had my bike stolen, but this is a site for those that love bikes and love to ride, so not surprising the majority doesn't seem to approve of those that either steal bikes, or receive that stolen property..

Possibly one of those cases where the wrongdoer got a little more than he deserved, when in the current PC environment so many don't..

And while I hear Jrandom saying not many people would be dumb enough to still be in possession of a hot bike so long after it was stolen, there are those that are exactly that dumb.

I am sure some people will mourn him. but I won't.

[Patrick]

but werent they were supper cops who knew he would be speeding at that time and place they just got the direction wrong the gut was a complete dumb arse.

Nah... I think they were the dessert cops, out to get the donuts...:devil2:



And while I hear Jrandom saying not many people would be dumb enough to still be in possession of a hot bike so long after it was stolen, there are those that are exactly that dumb.

I am sure some people will mourn him. but I won't.

Never a truer word... dumb arses like that keep me employed... Not much of a challenge sometimes, but hey, sometimes luck plays a part. Not for him though. :rofl::killingme

[rose]

the guy who u stole your bike who u think is such a useless idiot happens to be my good mate, well he was. i know for a fact he didn't steal the bike himself, sure he knew it was stolen but one silly mistake took him away from his beautiful baby girl and his many friends. i know u guys are gutted about your bike. but a bike is a bike and is replaceable. a person's life can never come back. maybe if the bike was looked after properly and locked up u would still have your bike and we would stil have our mate. diss him all u like but be careful what u say because there are so many heart broken people at the moment.

[barty5]

the guy who u stole your bike who u think is such a useless idiot happens to be my good mate, well he was. i know for a fact he didn't steal the bike himself, sure he knew it was stolen but one silly mistake took him away from his beautiful baby girl and his many friends. i know u guys are gutted about your bike. but a bike is a bike and is replaceable. a person's life can never come back. maybe if the bike was looked after properly and locked up u would still have your bike and we would stil have our mate. diss him all u like but be careful what u say because there are so many heart broken people at the moment.

Well may be if he knew it was stolen he shouldnt have been ridin it yah think then he would still be around. Someone who ride a bike knowing it is stolen is no better than the person who stole it im my books. And just a point it make no difference how a person looks after their bike it dose not give you or your mates or mates mate the right to steal it.

[Forest]

the guy who u stole your bike who u think is such a useless idiot happens to be my good mate, well he was. i know for a fact he didn't steal the bike himself, sure he knew it was stolen but one silly mistake took him away from his beautiful baby girl and his many friends.

So he knew it was stolen? Must have been a really top bloke.


i know u guys are gutted about your bike. but a bike is a bike and is replaceable. a person's life can never come back. maybe if the bike was looked after properly and locked up u would still have your bike and we would stil have our mate. diss him all u like but be careful what u say because there are so many heart broken people at the moment.

Are you serious? You blame the bike's owner for the death of your friend?

The bike was parked off the street and under a bike cover.

[Gwinch]

the guy who u stole your bike who u think is such a useless idiot happens to be my good mate, well he was. i know for a fact he didn't steal the bike himself, sure he knew it was stolen but one silly mistake took him away from his beautiful baby girl and his many friends. i know u guys are gutted about your bike. but a bike is a bike and is replaceable. a person's life can never come back. maybe if the bike was looked after properly and locked up u would still have your bike and we would stil have our mate. diss him all u like but be careful what u say because there are so many heart broken people at the moment.

Maybe if your mate returned the bike and obeyed the speed limit he'd still be alive and the owner of the bike would have it back in one peice. Pretty ideal situation that, yes? Everybody wins? I'm not detracting from your loss, just pointing out how your logic surrounding the circumstances is complete and utter bollocks.

Just because the bike is replaceable didn't give him any right whatsoever to ride it like he did. It's not anyone else's fault apart from his that he ended up paying the ultimate price.

Peace out.

[Conquiztador]

the guy who u stole your bike who u think is such a useless idiot happens to be my good mate, well he was. i know for a fact he didn't steal the bike himself, sure he knew it was stolen but one silly mistake took him away from his beautiful baby girl and his many friends. i know u guys are gutted about your bike. but a bike is a bike and is replaceable. a person's life can never come back. maybe if the bike was looked after properly and locked up u would still have your bike and we would stil have our mate. diss him all u like but be careful what u say because there are so many heart broken people at the moment.

Hi Rose.

I can feel you pain, and as a dad of 4 boys I am every day scared that one of them will not come home. I can not run their life, make their decisions for them. That is up to them.

But what I can do is install the knowledge of what is right and what is wrong in to them. The few times they have, as small, turned up home with something they have "found on the street" (collectable play cards, small car toys, a handful of small coins) I have made them take it back, confront the one they stole it from and apologize. Then when back home we have had a serious discussion regarding the issue. And then the punishment has been given out. Never violence, but loss of previledges.

All my boys have done this. But it looks like the message has been recieved, as I have only had to do this once with all of them. (That is not to say that they have not done it again and kept it hidden, but I doubt so. And even if they have done that, they clearly know it is wrong if they keep it hidden from me).

Your friend should have known better. He should have known that somewhere there was a biker who has saved his hard earnt money to buy his bike. The condition of the bike, (if in fact not prestine) should have been a clear indication that the owner was not wealthy, did not have the dollars to go out and buy a late model street rocket. And if your friend was a true bike lover, then he should have felt for the owner. The loss of his loved bike.

I am sorry that there is a small child that now has to grow up without a dad as nobody should have to do that. (My pet solution to all our worlds problems: If everyone took care of their children then all our problems would be solved). But a father who clearly had no respect for right or wrong, who, if he had not already been in trouble with the law, was clearly on the way down that track, might not be the best option for a young child?

Every decision we make has consequences. As a single dad I always ask my self before any decision: Is this decision good or bad for my boys. If the answer is "bad", then I will not go through with it. End of story. Does not matter if the decision is one that would make me really happy. (Buy a new big bike would make me really happy, but take away food and clothes from my children, so sadly it will not happen).

Your friend made a wrong decision. Sadly he will not be around to face the consequences of his decision. But it was still wrong. To try and put the blame on to others for the outcome I can only put down to the pain you are feeling, that you can not change the outcome no matter what you do, your feeling of helplessnes.

I do not consider anyone who steals a bike or approves on this action to be a biker. Once you have done this you have crossed the line as far as I am concerned. It does not matter how big, strong or full with tattoos you are. If you have been part of a bike theft I have no interest in association with you as you are not a biker. You are only a low life scum who has no respect for a real bikers feelings.

Go to your frinds funeral, be there for the little child and for the mother. But always remember that we are responsible for our own fate.

[Patrick]

the guy who u stole your bike who u think is such a useless idiot happens to be my good mate, well he was. i know for a fact he didn't steal the bike himself, sure he knew it was stolen but one silly mistake took him away from his beautiful baby girl and his many friends. i know u guys are gutted about your bike. but a bike is a bike and is replaceable. a person's life can never come back. maybe if the bike was looked after properly and locked up u would still have your bike and we would stil have our mate. diss him all u like but be careful what u say because there are so many heart broken people at the moment.

Note this is her 1st post... someone out phishing???

Whose "alias" is this?????????????? Chrislost???????????

Surely, "Rose" isn't really that stupid....

Hang on....

As you were....

[Inno]

Well, finally got the call from the police. They are done with it and i can "pick it up" yeah right.. Well, insurance company is sending the expert today and then I'll drop by and take the GIVI rack etc off.. and take some photo's. Still trying to get hold of the police and ask them if they actually found the guy who stole it.

Oh and Rosie, whether you are real or not. I'm sorry for your loss, as mentioned before, I don't wish anyone to die. I loved that bike though, eventhough it was old and had some scars, it was a awesome to ride. Yes, replaceable, but don't push the blame on me.

[Okey Dokey]

Good luck with that, Inno. I hope insurance will help you replace the lost bike.

[jim.cox]

sure he knew it was stolen

In that case he is/was just as big a wanker as the mofo that did take it

[Inno]

Well.. finally got to see my bike. And as expected, not much left of it.

[barty5]

shit dosnt even look like there is much to wreck on it major bummer.

[Jantar]

Hell. That is one mangled piece of machinery. I hope insurance is seeing you right.

[scumdog]

Well.. finally got to see my bike. And as expected, not much left of it.

Did you have to give back the dead bike theif??

(well, that's what I'd LIKE to say)

[skidMark]

WTF, so it was your bike that went through the wall, jeez small world.

Karmas a mother fucker for the rider who died.

Inno, sorry you lost your bike, worse yet that it ended up a wreck etc.

Don't know what else to say really.

[skidMark]

Well.. finally got to see my bike. And as expected, not much left of it.


Oh mate!, thats gut wrenching.

I couldn't see my bike in that state. :(

[simonantz]

Well , I hate to hear about bikes being stolen...and kind of sick of all these usless dirty scum ...keep your lttle cunnnnt scratchers off other peoples things....go buy your own!!:Playnice:

[skidMark]

the guy who u stole your bike who u think is such a useless idiot happens to be my good mate, well he was. i know for a fact he didn't steal the bike himself, sure he knew it was stolen but one silly mistake took him away from his beautiful baby girl and his many friends. i know u guys are gutted about your bike. but a bike is a bike and is replaceable. a person's life can never come back. maybe if the bike was looked after properly and locked up u would still have your bike and we would stil have our mate. diss him all u like but be careful what u say because there are so many heart broken people at the moment.

Sooo hanggggg on just a minute, he shouldve have to keep his bike more secure so some lowlife scum doesnt steal it then die / supposedy "onsell" it.

Sounds like he didn't deserve to live, he knew he was taking a stolen bike, you just said so yourself, people like that do not deserve to live, the kid is better without a father than being brought up like that.

So what your saying is oh since it's only a bike it's replacable, it's okay to steal it?

Something somebody else has worked thier ass off for, think about how many hours it takes of working to get approx $6,000

But no it's easier to steal it right, because some people have no morals.

Thus, they deserve to die.

You contradict yourself first you say the guy who stole his bike..... "was you good mate"

Was being past tense, referring to the person who has died.

Yet then you go and say he did not steal the bike himself.

So which story is it huh? Keeping ya mouth shut is better sometimes aye.

Now piss off.

Karma's a bitch.

[Gubb]

Flogging a dead horse Mark.

Pun not intended.

[avgas]

*Newsflash*...............stealing a motorcycle is not worth the death penalty.
Are you sure? Dammit your right. How about the half way mark.
Steal my bike and i break ya legs???? No
Well thats what the last bike had stickered on it.

[Patrick]

Well.. finally got to see my bike. And as expected, not much left of it.

Nothing a bit of duct tape wont fix...... she'll be good then...

[catchacrim]

Sorry to hear your bike was stolen mate..these idiots think they can take anything they want,even if they dont work hard enough to earn it like we do.
Did anyone see anything,ask your neighbours etc...?.
May have to start wheel clamping as well these days just to keep your own bike safe.

Hope you find it soon bud.

[barty5]

not to on about this bike but was down at the wreckers today got talkin about different thing turns out he now has this bike and owner was in telling him that he sold it to the guy that crashed it through the wall. So whats the deal was it stolen or was this whole thread a have????

[Gubb]

Do some research, we've heard in the other thread that the guy knew he was riding a stolen motorcycle (as told my his mates). The press reports say he was on a stolen bike.

[barty5]

Do some research, we've heard in the other thread that the guy knew he was riding a stolen motorcycle (as told my his mates). The press reports say he was on a stolen bike.

I know all that but according to the wrecker the real owner (who ever) told him he sold it to the guy that crashed it and it wasnt stolen.

[Gubb]

I guess that makes it true then.
Hearsay is never wrong.

[Patrick]

I know all that but according to the wrecker the real owner (who ever) told him he sold it to the guy that crashed it and it wasnt stolen.

Another "receiver" then?????

[Inno]

I know all that but according to the wrecker the real owner (who ever) told him he sold it to the guy that crashed it and it wasnt stolen.

Owner is (well.. was) me. The guy who stole it from me sold it to the guy who crashed it. Wrecker must have misunderstood me (or I was not clear enough.. could be)

[barty5]

Owner is (well.. was) me. The guy who stole it from me sold it to the guy who crashed it. Wrecker must have misunderstood me (or I was not clear enough.. could be)

yeh thats what i told him but he got all antsy about it and said it was definatly sold liget. Which is why i asked would have been one hell of a fishing story if it wasnt ture.