Car troubles

[FROSTY]

Sorry for posting in a bike forum BUT
What would you do in this situation?
You live in Windy Wellington <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:pl</st1:City>
<st1:City></st1:City>A friend of yours is having some fairly major work done on their sports car by a specialist panebeater in Rotorua . You offer them the use of your sports car to drive whilst theirs is being sorted and for a period after this in case their car gives problems. You ask to be kept updated on progress with their car and how things are going with yours.
The car duely leaves with all concerned happy.
Your friend isn’t happy with your choice of tyres so fits their own personal choice.
Months go by You hear nothing from said friend. From a third party you hear that some minor damage has been done to your car.
Your friend uses parts from their car to repair the damage they did to your car. In order to keep yours on the road.
Still you hear nothing from your friend. <O:p
A few months go by and your friend crashes your car doing a reasonable amount of damage. Not major but none the less reasonable amount.
They then leave the car with the panelbeater in Rotorua who is working on their car. They announce to the panelbeater that they don’t want to use the car anymore. The parts borrowed from their car are quickly removed from yours as are their tyres. Your car sits on blocks as they have lost your tyres.they then walk out. <O:p></O:p>
A few weeks later said friend picked up their (by then completed) car and drive out.
3 months goes by and nothing has been done to fix your car .The friend hasn’t made a phone call to the panelbeater or to you to organize repairs.<O:p
Your car is still sitting on blocks with no wheels or tyres.<O:p
You call the panelbeater to organize work on another part of your car whilst the repairs and replacements are being sorted –This work happens in a timely order.<O:p
You make contact with said friend to ensure repairs are progressing and that your car would be returned to you in a reasonable time. The freind states “Oh I thought you and the panebeater had sorted it out” You make it quite clear that this is definitely NOT the case . You wait and still no contact and no repairs<O:p
Besides the fact clearly you have been a prize sucker and deserve all you got how would you sort this out?<O:p

[MSTRS]

Register some sort of lien on their car, or have it 'repossessed' until yours is returned to you in the condition it was when you first lent it, and at no cost to you.

[Zuki Bandit]

Dont sound like a friend to me mate!:no:

[Motu]

I think he needs a Financial Darwin Award.

Mind you I did a similar thing last year - a friend of my younger daughter needed a car while she saved to get her's repaired.And as she had loaned my daughter a car in the same situation previously,she asked if I could help....so I gave her one of my cars.She lives in Clendon,duh - one day all the cars in the street have their rear screens smashed,so now she has 2 cars to fix.Six months later nothing has been done - we organise a screen replacement,billed to her,and she supplies a new battery.My problem solved....and the girl is in even more financial trouble.By the way she is dying from cancer.....SO???

[FROSTY]

Which he the one that loaned or the one that borrowed?

[Tony.OK]

Ask him if ya can get the favour returned,drive HIS car into a pole..........then find a new FRIEND:2thumbsup

[Drew]

To my knowledge, your only possible recorse is to go through small claims court, unless we're talking more than five grand, at which point it becomes a differnent type of legal battle.

What would I do?... Probably better discussed via PM.

[SixPackBack]

Your a soft Coont FROSTY...ring your freind and give them two weeks to sort it.
Tell them your Lawyer and the N.Z Police are on stand by.

Mate your just to fooken nioce.:doh:

[Mully]

What would you do in this situation?
You live in Windy Wellington


Bwahahaha Karma's a bitch aye FROSTY.

Umm, Frosty doesn't live in Wellington. I read this as a theoretical. I suspect someone Frosty knows has got this problem and has asked for help and Frosty has put it out to the masses for advice.

Of course, I could be mistaken.....

[FROSTY]

Your a soft Coont FROSTY...ring your freind and give them two weeks to sort it.
Tell them your Lawyer and the N.Z Police are on stand by.

Mate your just to fooken nioce.:doh:
Maybee you're right

[The Pastor]

find the car and take his wheels (obviously they fit your car).

Then inflict the same pannel damamge done to his car as he done to yours.

Simple.



Just dont get caught :D

[DMNTD]

I gather their car is of the same model...so simply go and pick up their car and remove required parts and "invoice" them for the time/costs incurred during said process.
Has always worked for me anyway

[FROSTY]

HMM --so you say do unto them ......??

[Grahameeboy]

Difficult one...I would see a Lawyer for an hour so it does not cost you too much and find out your options...(I thought the DT limit was $7,500).

No point doing same to him because it will just turn nasty and you need to keep to the rules to avoid finger pointing.

Certainly worth going down the DT way. Will not cost much and you having nothing to loose. If he does not attend hearing and Referee awards in your favour then you can go for an attachment of earnings as things progress and this is gonna cause him more grief.

[98tls]

If all of the above fail if nothing else learn from it Frosty.....seems your to much of a good bastard for your own good.

[Blackbuell]

'said friend' aint much of a friend.... is your car insured? Did panelbeater take digi photos by chance? You could make a claim through your insurance company for damages caused by said friend, making sure that you say the damages were caused in a single incident that you are aware of and name 'said friend' as person responsible for damage. Insurance should pay for damages and claim back from other party leaving you out of the battle. Of course having repairs done without the insurance company having the opportunity to view damages may predjudice the claim, but worth a call to your underwriter. Small claims court would be next best.

[FROSTY]

No BB due to the Unique nature of the cars insurance isn't an option.

[DMNTD]

HMM --so you say do unto them ......??

No not at all because if you did what they did to you then that would be nasty and taking advantage now wouldn't it.
All I'm saying is to get back what should be rightfully yours.

[karla]

If all of the above fail if nothing else learn from it Frosty.....seems your to much of a good bastard for your own good.
Neither a borrower nor a lender be;

For loan oft loses both itself and friend,
And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry.
This above all: to thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man.


People have been walked over since time eternal. The happy ending to these stories is that now we always have a reason not to lend our things to others ever again.

This may just turn out to be a gift in disguise. :)

[BiK3RChiK]

Never lend stuff! Learnt this ages ago... Well, not if you want to keep friends, etc.. Nephew asked if he could do some driving lessons in my car (it's a manual) when I was 5 hours away from home! 'No, sorry. Besides, you aren't a named driver on the insurance policy'... works every time.

Sorry to hear about your woes, Frosty. I'd probably do the lien thing and/or talk to a lawyer and/or go to small claims...

M

[Drew]

Just a thought, punch the wanker in the face.

I felt that to be as close advice as I could get to, HARDEN THE FUCK UP.:dodge:

[FROSTY]

Just a thought, punch the wanker in the face.

I felt that to be as close advice as I could get to, HARDEN THE FUCK UP.:dodge:
Thanks Drew --Ill pass on the advice --hmm maybee not.

[Edbear]

What's that old saying...? "A friend in need is a ... pain in the... "

[erik]

Who lost the tyres, the friend or the panelbeater?

I might tell the friend exactly what I wanted fixed/replaced that I thought they should pay for and when I wanted it done by and then listen to their response.

From what you've posted, the only response from the friend is that they thought you and the panelbeater could sort out the damage.
Maybe they aren't aware of the extent or the cost involved in fixing it, or had different ideas about the terms under which they borrowed the car?

I'd like to hear the friend's side of the story.

[Motu]

I'd like to hear the friend's side of the story.

We don't do that on KB Erik,I thought you would of been on here long enough to know that.

[FROSTY]

Who lost the tyres, the friend or the panelbeater?
the freind

I might tell the friend exactly what I wanted fixed/replaced that I thought they should pay for and when I wanted it done by and then listen to their response.
their response was to try to pass the buck

From what you've posted, the only response from the friend is that they thought you and the panelbeater could sort out the damage.
yep thats the response even after being reminded they were responsible
Maybe they aren't aware of the extent or the cost involved in fixing it,
they are aware of whats involved
or had different ideas about the terms under which they borrowed the car?
they agreed to return the car in same or better condition than when borrowed

I'd like to hear the friend's side of the story.
So would I

[hospitalfood]

sounds like a legal nightmare.........but I'm sure professional help would be a good start.
not sure what sort of professional though ?

[paturoa]

Give them a call and say "that yours is having some fairly major work done it by a specialist panebeater in Rotorua. Then ask for the use of their sports car to drive whilst yours is being sorted and for a period after this in case the car gives problems. Offer to keep them updated on progress with their car and how things are going with yours."

Oh and give the panel beater their credit card number.

[CookMySock]

loaning expensive things is a quick way to lose friends.

DB

[FROSTY]

Give them a call and say "that yours is having some fairly major work done it by a specialist panebeater in Rotorua. Then ask for the use of their sports car to drive whilst yours is being sorted and for a period after this in case the car gives problems. Offer to keep them updated on progress with their car and how things are going with yours."

Oh and give the panel beater their credit card number.
Its fairly safe to say that this is a one way street.
Aparently the panebeater also is less than happy with the freind.

[ajturbo]

i lent my bike to a very good friend..
know that they would honur and damage... and if it was off the road i would have full use of thier bike.... ( no i wouldn't have taken up the offer of thier bike) untill mine was fixed...

it was dropped off all nice and clean...:love:

[Drew]

it was dropped off all nice and clean...:love:

I think it's dispicable of you to loan out your bike to get it washed ya lazy bastard. You have a teenage son to do that for you.

[ajturbo]

I think it's dispicable of you to loan out your bike to get it washed ya lazy bastard. You have a teenage son to do that for you.
i do not let him wash the buell.....
he has enough of his own bikes to wash....
and BOTH the vans...
feed the dogs...

off topic enough for ya frosty?...sorry

[MadDuck]

Or maybe Frosty should buy a bike and paint it pink. Sure fire way of no one wanting to borrow it ah?

[Paul in NZ]

Lent a bike to a mate once who crashed it in the most spectaclar fashion imaginable (ie his las vision befor he was knocked out was it spiraling through the air above him thinking if that fucker lands on me I'm a dead man). Damn thing bounced on its rear wheel (rooted that) then the front end (fucked that good and proper) and then embedded itself in a rock face so only the timing side was un touched.

He gave me $80 towards fixing it...

Cost me $60 from memory - was well pleased...

[homer]

Um a friend was it ?

are they still
would nt have been me

[Mikkel]

Gutted! They don't make friends in the way they used to in the olden days it seems...

What I don't get is that the owner of the car was informed through a 3rd party that damage had been done to the car. This is after months of not hearing anything from the friend who borrowed the car.
No action is taken and then a few months passes by before the friend crashes the car...

Why didn't the owner pick up on that? After months of not hearing anything at all, then a 3rd party damage report and then another couple of months before the bigger incident.

Seems odd to me. Not the way I'd lend out any of my possessions...

The inaction of the lender could become an issue if this turns into a legal case!

[Devil]

Tony. I dont think this is going to help the situation.
Yes, I do know what you're talking about.

[scumdog]

You need to screen your 'friends' a bit better (too late now, sadly).

I have some friends I'd lend my favourite rifle to.

I have other 'friends' who I would have reservations about lending one empty shell from said rifle.

[karla]

Its fairly safe to say that this is a one way street.
Aparently the panebeater also is less than happy with the freind.

It's starting to look pretty clear where the street is going to end up, people on this track generally have to take pretty drastic measures to get off this rollercoaster. Team up with the panel beater. You will be helping your friend in the long run by taking action against him - and helping everyone else out here as well. Good luck!

[FROSTY]

It's starting to look pretty clear where the street is going to end up, people on this track generally have to take pretty drastic measures to get off this rollercoaster. Team up with the panel beater. You will be helping your friend in the long run by taking action against him - and helping everyone else out here as well. Good luck!
I'll pas that on to the panelbeater

[AJ']

Dont sound like a friend to me mate!:no:

+1

depending on how much the costs would be (2 get your car fixed), how well the friendship was, and of course, if your car is under insurance:blink:

if i were u, and the amount involved to fix my car is affordable (or reasonably low), i'll treat this incident as to really recognize a so called "friend" by spending a bit of my money

[FROSTY]

No Due to the nature of the damage and the type of car there is no insurance.
Said freind hasn't even bothered to give any estimate as to the exttent of the damage or the cost of repairs.

[Shaun]

Your said FREIND is arsehole simple!!!! If this so called frind is a member on here? I say NAME AND SHAME DUDE! Frosty, you have done so much good for people, that maybe this person needs a little reminder about freinds and being honest eh

You do not deserve this kind a shite mate

[Devil]

Said freind hasn't even bothered to give any estimate as to the exttent of the damage or the cost of repairs.
That question would be best answered by the mechanic...

[FROSTY]

That question would be best answered by the mechanic...
I'm fairly sure the panelbeater is waiting for action/contact from said freind.

[Devil]

Not from what I heard... I understand no work can be done till the front wheels are back on either way...

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[Hitcher]

I note that this thread largely involves an attempt at a veiled conversation, with potential for some contributors with knowledge of this situation to take sides and turn it into some sort of flame war.

If that happens, prompt remedial action by Moderators will result.

[FROSTY]

Not from what I heard... I understand no work can be done till the front wheels are back on either way...
As I understand it communication between the borrower and the panelbeater should have happened MANY months ago. As indeed should communication between the borrower and the lender.

[Devil]

As I understand it communication between the borrower and the panelbeater should have happened MANY months ago. As indeed should communication between the borrower and the lender.

Bingo, initiated by either party.

[FROSTY]

Bingo, initiated by either party.
Sorry would you care to explain that.?
If I borrowed your car,damaged it,then left it somewhere,would you reasonably expect to have to chase me up to fix it?
Your imput is greatly valued here. What would you concider the reasonable solution to be?

[SPman]

Or maybe Frosty should buy a bike and paint it pink. Sure fire way of no one wanting to borrow it ah?I had one like that and Frosty BOUGHT it!

[FROSTY]

I had one like that and Frosty BOUGHT it!
I gotta tell you dude thats the only bike I really regretted selling.
Worst part was I din't end up needing to dag namb it.

[Devil]

Sorry would you care to explain that.?
Sure. You gonna be at the yard this coming weekend?

[marty]

You need to screen your 'friends' a bit better (too late now, sadly).

I have some friends I'd lend my favourite rifle to.

I have other 'friends' who I would have reservations about lending one empty shell from said rifle.

I concur. My brother asked if he could take the Bus for a ride in the weekend. I just said to him 'I don't ask to ride your wife...........' (she's HOT too!) He got the message PDQ

[FROSTY]

Sure. You gonna be at the yard this coming weekend?
yea dude--seems 24/7 these days :baby:

[roadracingoldfart]

I agree with Drew . Punch the prick in the mouth and if Drew wants to we can gather a buch of really angry welly folks and make a night of it .

Ohhhh thats no good cause you want your car fixed and the borrower would have to spend all his money at a clinic as the hospitals round here dont have doctors or band-aids.

Silly boy for lending the car Frosty.

[Drew]

I agree with Drew . Punch the prick in the mouth and if Drew wants to we can gather a buch of really angry welly folks and make a night of it .


Yeah, cos you and I are soooooo tough lookin'.:oi-grr:

[roadracingoldfart]

Yeah, cos you and I are soooooo tough lookin'.:oi-grr:



Hell yeah , especially on a really dark cloud covered night :(

Ill just get Di to rough the bugger up a bit while we watch the door.

[Mikkel]

Ohhhh thats no good cause you want your car fixed and the borrower would have to spend all his money at a clinic as the hospitals round here dont have doctors or band-aids.

Shouldn't be an issue - that's what ACC is for isn't it? :cool:


Yeah, cos you and I are soooooo tough lookin'.:oi-grr:

No matter your stature or what you wear a sawn-off shotgun and a crowbar lends a bit of a menacing air to any character. :yes:
Eventually get a motorcycle chain instead of the crowbar so no one starts doubting whether you're just going to break in somewhere...

[chrisso]

said friend needs a smack in the mouth

[Drew]

I was only kidding when I first posted a punching was in order, but a quick tally up shows it to be the most supported idea thus far.

Off to buy a bag to practice on Tony?:Pokey:

[mugins]

lodge claim in small claim's court i think it's up to 11 grand if both agree but it will show said x friend that you mean it

[FROSTY]

I was only kidding when I first posted a punching was in order, but a quick tally up shows it to be the most supported idea thus far.

Off to buy a bag to practice on Tony?:Pokey:
Violence will make matters worse ---- so so much worse.
The local :Police: don't look too kindly on that kinda activity.

[scumdog]

Violence will make matters worse ---- so so much worse.
The local :Police: don't look too kindly on that kinda activity.

And it certainly won't get you money either.

[FROSTY]

And it certainly won't get you money either.
No sighn of the money anyhow :nono:

[FROSTY]

good news. tyres have apeared for the car and the panelbeater has off his own back started repairs

[Mrs Busa Pete]

good news. tyres have apeared for the car and the panelbeater has off his own back started repairs


That is good news Frosty. But now that panelbeater is repairing car he is going to want to be payed for who will do this? Next please

[FROSTY]

Panelbeater is doing the work out of the kindness of his heart.

[enigma51]

Can i borrow your bike for the 4th!

[FROSTY]

NO :innocent:

[FROSTY]

Thought those that are interested might like an apdate.
The "Car" has been restored to its former glory Thanks to the unstinting efforts of the "panelbeater" and his circle of contacts.
Id like to thank Billy way beyond thanks for the HUGE effort in making it all happen. YOU my freind are a fucking legend.

Message to KBers--DONT fuck this guy around He does quality work at a reasonable price hes a person we can't afford to lose.

Also OZZY he sorted out my forks once and for all and at a fucking unbelieveable price -If you ever need suspension work done on a racing bike--this guy really knows his stuff.

Also Shaun for offering to help out when things looked grim

And no the "borrower" has done NOTHING to rectify this situation.

[FROSTY]

BUGGER---Billy you did a friggin fantastic job on OL black ice Looks bloody stunning