Why I like my Hyosung

[disenfranchised]

I haven't ridden a lot of bikes...and my aim here isn't to compare max HP etc...I just had an opportunity to ride my partners ZZR the other day, and noticed a few differences.

With the ZZR being essentially the older equivalent of the GPX now...some of these comparisons may be valid for the newer Kwaka's too...but that's not my place to say, having not riden them.

So what did I notice?

First thing was size...which is pretty obvious really. I'm 6'3" and while I fit fine on the ZZR, it just felt too low..and a bit small. I much preferred the feeling of sitting on my Hyo.

Second was the positio of the bars. Maybe not quite a fair comparrison as I have the naked GT250. In any case the ZZR bars angled back towards me too much. They are semi riser clipons bolted onto the top of the triple clamp...so not adjustable either...I prefer the more straight across nature of the upright bars on my hyo...and while I'm thinking of changing to clipons, they would have to be adjustable ones, so that I can position them straight across in the same way.

Then the revs when power is delivered. on the ZZR everything seemed to happen 2k revs further up the range. My hyo pulls ok from 3,000, kicks in a bit from 5,000 and really takes off (for a n00b on a 250) from 7,000...with the redline at 10,500. The ZZR had no pull at all below 5,000, kicked off at 7,000 and really took off at 9,000...with the redline at 13,000.
I know it's just what I'm used to, but I like having power lower down...I mostly ride round suburbs, commuting etc...and it just makes life easy.

Then the Gear ratios...people say how the hyosung first gear is too "tall" meaning you have to change up too early. The ZZR may as well not have had a first gear at all. it seemed like I was changing up as soon as I got rolling.
The higher up ratios seemed quite close together too...as I seemed to get not much engine breaking by changing down a gear...having to drop 2 to notice much effect.

The sound...again just my preference...but a slow thumping rumble, compared to a faster, high pitched scream....can't really imagine having an even higher reving 4cyl..would sound horrible.

Saying all this I did like a few things about the ZZR better.

The ride comfort...softer shocks? something like that, but the bike seemed to jar less on cats eyes, and dips etc...

The cornering....I think a combination of it being smaller/lower giving it a lower centre of gravity, plus better tyres (Bridgestone Battleaxe 45 or something...vs the stock Shinko's)...and probably the shocks too...it just felt a lot smoother round corners...held the line nicely, and felt really stable
On my Hyo it feels like my line changes through the corner a bit...which doesn't feel as stable, but might have some benefits for emergency maneuvering etc..

So there are my opinions...after riding another bike, I'm still glad I got my Hyosung. It just fits me better.

[Gubb]

Cool write up, don't listen to the haters.

Everyone needs to ride what suits them, for me, there was a multitude of things that I preferred on the Hyo, then the other 15 bikes I test rode when looking to buy.

[CookMySock]

Then the Gear ratios...people say how the hyosung first gear is too "tall" meaning you have to change up too early. The ZZR may as well not have had a first gear at all. it seemed like I was changing up as soon as I got rolling.Going from the 250 to the 650 - the gear ratios are dramatically different. 1st gear on the 650 and you are off at a fair jog, unlike the 250's walk.


[...]softer shocks? something like that, but the bike seemed to jar less on cats eyes, and dips etc... [snip, trim] ..it [the ZZR] just felt a lot smoother round cornersTry lowering your tyre pressures a bit.


...[the ZZR] held the line nicely, and felt really stable. On my Hyo it feels like my line changes through the corner a bit...which doesn't feel as stable, but might have some benefits for emergency maneuvering etc..I wondered about this. My GT650R feels downright unstable sometimes when I first get on it, and I have my little weave around - but its just me - once I settle down a bit I am fine.. its like the front steering angle is way back, making the bars super-sensitive. Does this sound right ? I am sure it would be less twitchy if the rake angle or something was greater (or less?).. not an expert on bike steering, but this is just part of the bikes' character. I like it.

Thanks for your write up. I like my 650R because of its styling, its twitchy steering, steep learning curve, vtwin thunderclap sounds, and it was only 6 grand.



DB

[Brett]

That sketchy feeling mid corner is most likely the rear shock.

[fizbin]

yeah i almost bought one of these for my first bike. am hoping i didn't make the wrong decision :doh:

[Radar]

Good review, and I notice similar things about my Hyo. 1st gear seems OK to me and it especially felt good when I had to take off from stopping on a steep uphill. The rear shock does feel too stiff and I have heard others say this. The shock is adjustable but it looks like the battery has to be removed to change it and I am not sure if a special tool is needed.

I'm up in Auckland at the moment. Went to Mt Eden MC's and was told sometime this year Hyosung is coming out with brand new models, including a larger engine - maybe a 900 or 1000, it is not certain.

Hey DB, I've heard good things about the Hyo 650. Seems to have plenty of power. I've talked to two people who have ridden the Aquila 650 cruiser and they said it was a really good ride, surprisingly so, also with lots of power.

[BadCompany]

A couple of things..



Then the revs when power is delivered. on the ZZR everything seemed to happen 2k revs further up the range. My hyo pulls ok from 3,000, kicks in a bit from 5,000 and really takes off (for a n00b on a 250) from 7,000...with the redline at 10,500. The ZZR had no pull at all below 5,000, kicked off at 7,000 and really took off at 9,000...with the redline at 13,000.
I know it's just what I'm used to, but I like having power lower down...I mostly ride round suburbs, commuting etc...and it just makes life easy.


Its scaled (sort of? maybe the wrong choice in words), obviously the bike with the higher redline will kick in later on in the revs then the bike with the lower redline.



Then the Gear ratios...people say how the hyosung first gear is too "tall" meaning you have to change up too early. The ZZR may as well not have had a first gear at all. it seemed like I was changing up as soon as I got rolling.
The higher up ratios seemed quite close together too...as I seemed to get not much engine breaking by changing down a gear...having to drop 2 to notice much effect.


You got that back to front mate. When you're tall, you have long legs, and take less strides then with someone with short legs. If you have a tall first gear it means you can do a higher speed in that tall gear then you can with a short gear.

But in saying that, if some bastard in a car goes so slow they cause me to go into first gear, I'm not a happy man. First gear sucks, it lacks power and as you said you nearly change up as you start rolling..if you're a sensible rider :P



The sound...again just my preference...but a slow thumping rumble, compared to a faster, high pitched scream....can't really imagine having an even higher reving 4cyl..would sound horrible.


I sort of agree with this, I rather the sound of a 250 2 cylinder to a 4 cylinder.

Do they even make any 2 cylinder super sport bikes?



-Bad

[CookMySock]

Hey DB, I've heard good things about the Hyo 650. Seems to have plenty of power. I've talked to two people who have ridden the Aquila 650 cruiser and they said it was a really good ride, surprisingly so, also with lots of power.Yes, I have a lot of fun on it.. reminiscent of a large four-stroke dirtbike, but more!! brrrrAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPP!!! woot!!

Down two gears and pull out and pass stuff.. 170 clicks before ur back in top gear. It's not a litre bike, but its not a litre price either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIHvX6WgVI4

DB

[CookMySock]

That sketchy feeling mid corner is most likely the rear shock.put the rear shock on its softest setting.

DB

[RantyDave]

Do they even make any 2 cylinder super sport bikes?
Oh hell yes. Aprilia? Ducati?

Dave

[The Pastor]

hyos are a waste of money, get a cbr or zxr :)

[rphenix]

hyos are a waste of money, get a cbr or zxr :)

In the 250 market, a 14 year old CBR costs about the same as a brand new Hyo so whats a waste of money a bike that might crap out on you after a decade of thrashing or a bike thats got a dealer warranty for your first year!

e.g this 20 year old CBR has an asking price the same as a new naked GT250.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-141539616.htm


Now once your out of the 250cc market and can get a 400 or 650 then I would start considering the CBR.

[Iain]

hyos are a waste of money, get a cbr or zxr :)

Hey RM,

Not really a 'waste' of money if they don't cost that much or involve time spent on the weekend fixing and correcting things that arent under warranty.

If you've got the money to purchase a new bike to see you through your learners then I dont see why you wouldnt. Most buy a 250cc bike to fulfill the licensing requirements. Power or top speed shouldnt really matter if you are learning to ride a bike - but I guess if its there you will use it :clap:

Most of us will upgrade our 250s when we get our full - although it seems alot of people like to keep the 250 for commuting - and the Hyo does a good job at that with its available low end.

Im sending mine for a before and after dyno now that Ive got the Screaming Demon. Re-jetting after some airbox mods and the AIS kit. Will post the results.

Still cant decide between the 2007-08 R6 and CBR600rr. Get my full in August :argh: CBR looks good on paper, but the R6 just looks farkin good! Test ride!

Iain

[Iain]

hyos are a waste of money, get a cbr or zxr :)

oh... I missed this on my previous post...

Is any bike a waste of money? Its a bike, Im riding it, Its fun, I save $ on gas, Its fun, mine is black, and its fun!

Iain

[disenfranchised]

hyos are a waste of money, get a cbr or zxr :)

How about no!!!

You kinda missed the point didn't you.
Everything I didn't like about the ZZR would be even worse on a CBR...they're even smaller, the engine would be even revvier (if that's a word), the noise would be all high pitched and whiney.

[BiK3RChiK]

Ignore the bashers and go and enjoy! Many of the bashers have either been through the licencing process or got their licence years ago before the GDLS so don't understand the appeal of the bigger feel Hyosung because they don't have to. Also, they don't consider how their biased comments might hurt others feelings. Many people develop an attachment to their bikes and sometimes cars/etc, as an extension of themselves, so take it personally when derogatory comments are made about their mode of transport. I tend to ignore these comments as ill-considered and ignorant.

I really like my Hyosung and am even considering keeping her after I get my full. I like the look probably more than anything and also many of my friends are suitably impressed. I am a little more than chuffed that someone as small as me can ride a beast this size! And I get many many favourable comments and looks from other riders.

I'm stoked I bought her! :love:

[R6_kid]

the difference you noticed in power delivery is due to different engine architecture. The ZZR is an inline twin, where as the Hyobag is a V-twin. The v-twin will be slightly torquer, whereas the parallel/inline twin will rev a little more due to the piston arrangement and as such makes its power in a different fashion.

Twins generally produce 'lazy' power and it is spread over a broader range, whereas an inline four, especially such as the CBR/ZXR/FZR 250's use revs to make power, and for that reason are more fun to ride for some people as you need to work the gears to keep them on the go. Two strokes even more so!

One thing to point out... the ZZR is a scaled down sports tourer, thats why it feels so 'low', also it's probably a 12+ year old bike so the suspension has probably lost a lot of its feel - and would have been much better when it was 'new' like your hyosung.

How did they compare for braking?

[The Pastor]

In the 250 market, a 14 year old CBR costs about the same as a brand new Hyo so whats a waste of money a bike that might crap out on you after a decade of thrashing or a bike thats got a dealer warranty for your first year!

e.g this 20 year old CBR has an asking price the same as a new naked GT250.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-141539616.htm


Now once your out of the 250cc market and can get a 400 or 650 then I would start considering the CBR.


Hey RM,

Not really a 'waste' of money if they don't cost that much or involve time spent on the weekend fixing and correcting things that arent under warranty.

If you've got the money to purchase a new bike to see you through your learners then I dont see why you wouldnt. Most buy a 250cc bike to fulfill the licensing requirements. Power or top speed shouldnt really matter if you are learning to ride a bike - but I guess if its there you will use it :clap:

Most of us will upgrade our 250s when we get our full - although it seems alot of people like to keep the 250 for commuting - and the Hyo does a good job at that with its available low end.

Im sending mine for a before and after dyno now that Ive got the Screaming Demon. Re-jetting after some airbox mods and the AIS kit. Will post the results.

Still cant decide between the 2007-08 R6 and CBR600rr. Get my full in August :argh: CBR looks good on paper, but the R6 just looks farkin good! Test ride!

Iain


oh... I missed this on my previous post...

Is any bike a waste of money? Its a bike, Im riding it, Its fun, I save $ on gas, Its fun, mine is black, and its fun!

Iain


How about no!!!

You kinda missed the point didn't you.
Everything I didn't like about the ZZR would be even worse on a CBR...they're even smaller, the engine would be even revvier (if that's a word), the noise would be all high pitched and whiney.

You have to all take a long hard look in the mirror and ask your selfs why do you get out of bed in the morning. Hyosung is like the honda element (car) - its for people who have givin up on life.

Why do people still prefer a 20 year old bike to a brand new hyo? because its better. Will the hyo's be selling in 20 years? i doubt it. zxr cbr are simply better bikes. everything about them is better (save fuel economy and ergonomics - woman type stuff).

bang for buck the cbr and zxr are the best. Hell i'd even want a fizzer over a hyo.

all you new aged hyo lovin hippies are wrong.

[disenfranchised]

How did they compare for braking?

The ZZR has a single dish up front...whereas I've added the second to my GT250. Overall it felt like the Hyo had more initial bite bust less overall power.

Some of this could be down to the adjustable levers on the ZZR. My partner had them set to the mushiest feel possible...which I had to tweak just to feel comfortable riding it.

Once I've had all my brake pads replaced for aftermarket ones, I reckon the Hyo should stop better.

[disenfranchised]

Why do people still prefer a 20 year old bike to a brand new hyo? because its better. Will the hyo's be selling in 20 years? i doubt it. zxr cbr are simply better bikes. everything about them is better (save fuel economy and ergonomics - woman type stuff).

bang for buck the cbr and zxr are the best. Hell i'd even want a fizzer over a hyo.

all you new aged hyo lovin hippies are wrong.

And the main difference behind this is the engine really isn't it?
The high compression, high revving, 4cyl bike vs the lazy V-Twin .

So by your logic a ZX-10R is "better" than a Ducati Monster S2R.

To me they're just different bikes for people who want different things...and I'm well happy knowing that the bike I chose is the right style for me.

[BiK3RChiK]

You have to all take a long hard look in the mirror and ask your selfs why do you get out of bed in the morning. Hyosung is like the honda element (car) - its for people who have givin up on life.

Why do people still prefer a 20 year old bike to a brand new hyo? because its better. Will the hyo's be selling in 20 years? i doubt it. zxr cbr are simply better bikes. everything about them is better (save fuel economy and ergonomics - woman type stuff).

bang for buck the cbr and zxr are the best. Hell i'd even want a fizzer over a hyo.

all you new aged hyo lovin hippies are wrong.

Good for you! This is all your opinion and it doesn't make us wrong.

[Gubb]

Hyosung is like the honda element (car) - its for people who have givin up on life.

Anything that gets people on to two wheels is the start of a new life.

Ass Bandit.

[325rocket]

Why do people still prefer a 20 year old bike to a brand new hyo?

they dont, thats the whole point of this thread. dont get me wrong i like old cbrs etc but i prefer a new bike. If your in a position where money isn’t a major factor in the buying process why not go new.
from what i understand "they" have sold a few hyosungs these past few years.

its ok, you dont have to be scared they're just different... bit like those funny looking Japanese cars... they'll never catch on either... now where’s my Buick …. ...
... My what?

[The Pastor]

And the main difference behind this is the engine really isn't it?
The high compression, high revving, 4cyl bike vs the lazy V-Twin .

So by your logic a ZX-10R is "better" than a Ducati Monster S2R.

To me they're just different bikes for people who want different things...and I'm well happy knowing that the bike I chose is the right style for me.

I shouldnt even bother to reply to your child like comments, but I will (mainly cos im a dick).

Is a zx10r better than a ducati monster? perhaps. Did my logic imply that? No.
I couldnt care less if a bike had 100hp or 20hp as long as it was a good bike. I couldnt care if it had 0 cylinders or 2345.3. The hyo is budget bike, the cbrs and zxrs are top of the line[not really the best you can buy, but the best you can buy stock]. Simple facts.

Im not sure if the monsters have the same spec susspension and chassis, but i'll assume the 10r is better. (has more hp so has the susspension etc to match).


Good for you! This is all your opinion and it doesn't make us wrong.

I did a survey and found out that infact I am right.


Anything that gets people on to two wheels is the start of a new life.

Ass Bandit.

Captian obvious to the rescue yet again!


they dont, thats the whole point of this thread. dont get me wrong i like old cbrs etc but i prefer a new bike. If your in a position where money isn’t a major factor in the buying process why not go new.
from what i understand "they" have sold a few hyosungs these past few years.

its ok, you dont have to be scared they're just different... bit like those funny looking Japanese cars... they'll never catch on either... now where’s my Buick …. ...
... My what?

They sold lots of bikes to noobs who dont know anything, everyone I know who owns a hyosung is a tiny bit queer.

[Lil_Byte]

They sold lots of bikes to noobs who dont know anything, everyone I know who owns a hyosung is a tiny bit queer.

Some one obviously has a small dick or problems with his sexuality

[BiK3RChiK]

I shouldnt even bother to reply to your child like comments, but I will (mainly cos im a dick).




I did a survey and found out that infact I am right.


They sold lots of bikes to noobs who dont know anything, everyone I know who owns a hyosung is a tiny bit queer.

Hahahaha.... You said it! Still doesn't make you right!

Oh, and I'm not queer either!

M

[BiK3RChiK]

Some one obviously has a small dick or problems with his sexuality

ROFLMAO Good one, dude!

I was thinking it, he confirmed it!!!

M

[Gubb]

They sold lots of bikes to noobs who dont know anything, everyone I know who owns a hyosung is a tiny bit queer.

At least I don't crash into parked cars.

[The Pastor]

ROFLMAO Good one, dude!

I was thinking it, he confirmed it!!!

M

Hi five, a gold star and an A+++ to you young lady!


Some one obviously has a small dick or problems with his sexuality

Mate, if you have a problem with me take it to the track. Then you'll see.


Hahahaha.... You said it! Still doesn't make you right!

Oh, and I'm not queer either!

M

I said everyone I know who has a hyo is a little queer, and I don't know you do I?

[Iain]

[QUOTE=renegade master;1474001]Will the hyo's be selling in 20 years?QUOTE]

If you are thinking about this in 20 years from now - im sorry...

for you.

In 20 years, my bike will hover 3ft from the ground... what the fark is 20 years ago. Thats 1988. Even Michael J Fox was young.

grow up.

in 20 years from now you will have a lot more things to worry about... thats for sure!

Iain

[325rocket]

Some one obviously has a small dick or problems with his sexuality




Mate, if you have a problem with me take it to the track. Then you'll see.



so let me get this right ... what your saying is ... you want to go to a track and get your dick out so you can show everyone and prove your not queer???

[R6_kid]

so let me get this right ... what your saying is ... you want to go to a track and get your dick out so you can show everyone and prove your not queer???

both
(A) getting his dick out

and

(B) proving he isn't queer

would be close to impossible, especially at a racetrack.

[The Pastor]

both
(A) getting his dick out

and

(B) proving he isn't queer

would be close to impossible, especially at a racetrack.
oi, you wernt complaining last night G.

[Brett]

How about no!!!

You kinda missed the point didn't you.
Everything I didn't like about the ZZR would be even worse on a CBR...they're even smaller, the engine would be even revvier (if that's a word), the noise would be all high pitched and whiney.

It IS all about personal taste at the end of the day. I take a lot of piss out of the hyosungs, mostly because of the reaction I get, however if you find it suits your preferences more than any other bike then I am glad you have found something that you enjoy. The ZXR's and CBR's ARE racier bikes at the end of the day, less geared towards going for a long distance cruise etc. If you want to be fast and perhaps play on twisty tight roads or do some track days, the ZXR and the CBR will win hands down. If you were to go ride long straightish roads, no doubt the hyosung will be more comfortable.

[Brett]

so let me get this right ... what your saying is ... you want to go to a track and get your dick out so you can show everyone and prove your not queer???

You're the one who posted a cock for me in the previous hyosung thread :jerry:

[TOTO]

They sold lots of bikes to noobs who dont know anything, everyone I know who owns a hyosung is a tiny bit queer.

Dont wanna sound rude but... aaa I wont say it.

Maybe all those queers with hyosungs think about your musculun highness at night and want you for a boyfriend. :buggerd::rolleyes: