Whinging NZ

[Grahameeboy]

Well when I was back in UK you would bear so much about those laid back NZers...

Well lets think...

Crap Police Force - Despite crime figures dropping
Bloody ACC - Isn't it non-fault compensation / reaction if it was scrapped?
Bloody Anti-Smacking Laws - We know better? Yeah right...
Laws - We don't need them...

But okay to agree with banning under 18's buying spray paints...

If you want paradise find an Island in the middle of nowhere free from terrorism etc...opps, NZ is in the middle of nowwhere...and it's paradise.

[jrandom]

Are you saying that NZ is actually a pretty nice place, all things considered?

I agree.

:sunny:

[Hitcher]

Well when I was back in UK you would bear so much about those laid back NZers...

So you're a Pom! That explains everything. At last...

[scracha]

You forgot party pills being banned. For once I find myself agreeing with Hone Harawira

[James Deuce]

Bahahahaha!

Yes it isn't as overtly horrendous and repulsive as Southampton or Glasgow.

There's a fundamental rot caused by the laidback "quality". We need to be setting fire to politicians homes and making it unsafe for them to walk the streets. They've sold us up the river in a vast number of ways. We're a post-modern, post-socialist, post-feminist, free market nightmare. You have blinkers on. There are laws that directly contravene the Bill of Rights and NZ's Anti-Discrimination Bill in regard particularly to social programming and the rights of parents and children, and our lovely caring government is desperate to establish a free trade agreement with a country that butchers it's own citizens and absorbs other sovereign states and when people complain go, "What Country? That was always part of China. No, we've NEVER heard of Tibet. Some sort of Western fantasy."

They've never acknowledged that the only beneficiaries of that Free Trade agreement are China, thanks to a massive trade imbalance in China's favour. Which will never change because we don't produce anything China wants.

No, NZ is in a mess that isn't as immediately as apparent as say Liberia, but it is a mess all the same. Just because you don't get beaten up in the street because you forgot to put gang neutral colours doesn't mean it is paradise. By the time NZers notice it's bad, they will have lost the economic power to leave.

[yod]

Bahahahaha!

Yes it isn't as overtly horrendous and repulsive as Southampton or Glasgow.

There's a fundamental rot caused by the laidback "quality". We need to be setting fire to politicians homes and making it unsafe for them to walk the streets. They've sold us up the river in a vast number of ways. We're a post-modern, post-socialist, post-feminist, free market nightmare. You have blinkers on. There are laws that directly contravene the Bill of Rights and NZ's Anti-Discrimination Bill in regard particularly to social programming and the rights of parents and children, and our lovely caring government is desperate to establish a free trade agreement with a country that butchers it's own citizens and absorbs other sovereign states and when people complain go, "What Country? That was always part of China. No, we've NEVER heard of Tibet. Some sort of Western fantasy."

They've never acknowledged that the only beneficiaries of that Free Trade agreement are China, thanks to a massive trade imbalance in China's favour. Which will never change because we don't produce anything China wants.

No, NZ is in a mess that isn't as immediately as apparent as say Liberia, but it is a mess all the same. Just because you don't get beaten up in the street because you forgot to put gang neutral colours doesn't mean it is paradise. By the time NZers notice it's bad, they will have lost the economic power to leave.

feel free to leave whenever you like

[James Deuce]

feel free to leave whenever you like

Working on it.

[Ocean1]

There are laws that directly contravene the Bill of Rights and NZ's Anti-Discrimination Bill in regard particularly to social programming and the rights of parents and children,

Dude there's laws agin' fookin' near everything, to the point where it's pointless taking any heed of 'em whatsoever. The only redeeming feature here is that we don't enforce 'em.

That means you're more or less free to behave exactly as you would if they didn't exist, with exactly the same consequences. You get to live comfortably with yourself and those who's opinion matters to you, and bitch about those who behave otherwise.

[James Deuce]

Dude there's laws agin' fookin' near everything, to the point where it's pointless taking any heed of 'em whatsoever. The only redeeming feature here is that we don't enforce 'em.

That means you're more or less free to behave exactly as you would if they didn't exist, with exactly the same consequences. You get to live comfortably with yourself and those who's opinion matters to you, and bitch about those who behave otherwise.
You're obviously not bearing the brunt of the parental abuse that makes up a significant component of the new values based curriculum.

[Ocean1]

You're obviously not bearing the brunt of the parental abuse that makes up a significant component of the new values based curriculum.

Specifically?

[James Deuce]

School newsletters telling us what we can and can't say to our children in regard to education and teachers, demeaning letters questioning our parenting skills and emotively declaring us actively disrespectful and "unloving" in regard to how we treat out children, organising independent psych reviews without our knowledge and then peevishly demanding we pay ($680 for a week's observation) for the psychologist when the psychologist declares our children well balanced and obviously well cared for.

I could go on. But it would just be another Ranty Jim moment. I want out.

[Ocean1]

School newsletters telling us what we can and can't say to our children in regard to education and teachers, demeaning letters questioning our parenting skills and emotively declaring us actively disrespectful and "unloving" in regard to how we treat out children, organising independent psych reviews without our knowledge and then peevishly demanding we pay ($680 for a week's observation) for the psychologist when the psychologist declares our children well balanced and obviously well cared for.

I could go on. But it would just be another Ranty Jim moment. I want out.

Yeah, obnoxious. I'd have trouble taking that gracefully, in fact I’d be taking it as a declaration of war and asking for volunteers.

Fight or flight dude?

Need a volunteer?

[Blossom]

School newsletters telling us what we can and can't say to our children in regard to education and teachers, demeaning letters questioning our parenting skills and emotively declaring us actively disrespectful and "unloving" in regard to how we treat out children, organising independent psych reviews without our knowledge and then peevishly demanding we pay ($680 for a week's observation) for the psychologist when the psychologist declares our children well balanced and obviously well cared for.

Thats is insane. I certainly would be up in arms about it too. Mate if my kids were in that school I would be looking seriously at homeschooling. At least here we still have the freedom to do such things.

[James Deuce]

Mate if my kids were in that school I would be homeschooling. At least here we still have the freedom to do such things.
Comparing notes it is the same in every primary school now.

Volunteers are good. We're quite busy in two arenas at the moment, but slowly making inroads. I let you know when I need a hoard of bikers to impress a point :)

[Ocean1]

Thats is insane. I certainly would be up in arms about it too. Mate if my kids were in that school I would be looking seriously at homeschooling. At least here we still have the freedom to do such things.

Then they win. We've got the right to insist that our schools provide the service we want. They’re our kids, if the school wants to raise ‘em let’s see them pay for it. In the meantime they need to STFU and do their job: teach the wee darlings the 3 R’s.

[vifferman]

School newsletters telling us what we can and can't say to our children in regard to education and teachers, demeaning letters questioning our parenting skills and emotively declaring us actively disrespectful and "unloving" in regard to how we treat out children, organising independent psych reviews without our knowledge and then peevishly demanding we pay ($680 for a week's observation) for the psychologist when the psychologist declares our children well balanced and obviously well cared for.
Well that's just fukt.:angry:


I could go on. But it would just be another Ranty Jim moment. I want out.
Well that's just sad.
We shouldn't have to escape from our country because of the fuktup social programming bullshit that's going on.
Nor because of the fuktup economic policies the Gubmint keeps introducing.
And the fuktup plethora of rules, regulations. laws, statutes and impositions.
Fukkem!

Let's start a revolution, and turn our fuktup cuntry back into a wonderful country! :bash::ar15::ar15:

[vifferman]

In the meantime they need to STFU and do their job: teach the wee darlings the 3 R’s.
Riding, Rooting, and Revolution? :shit:

[yod]

OTOH - it's nice to see the new real estate legislation, at least now the rip-off merchants will no longer be "policing" themselves

and what a surprise - the reinz is whining about it

[Hitcher]

Let's start a "Get The Fucking Government Out Of Our Lives" Party.

I vote for anarchy as a useful starting point, and then we can systematically add only the state controls that we really need to live mutually-rewarding lives.

[yod]

Let's start a "Get The Fucking Government Out Of Our Lives" Party.

I vote for anarchy as a useful starting point, and then we can systematically add only the state controls that we really need to live mutually-rewarding lives.

good thinking

I get to decide whats necessary, you can all just do what I say

otherwise we'd have to go back to that funny voting thing and thats just a pain....

[Hitcher]

otherwise we'd have to go back to that funny voting thing and thats just a pain....

The right to vote is wasted on most people. And folks who aren't net taxpayers shouldn't get one anyway. The more tax you pay, the more votes you should get. After all, it's fairer that way.

[scumdog]

School newsletters telling us what we can and can't say to our children in regard to education and teachers, demeaning letters questioning our parenting skills and emotively declaring us actively disrespectful and "unloving" in regard to how we treat out children, organising independent psych reviews without our knowledge and then peevishly demanding we pay ($680 for a week's observation) for the psychologist when the psychologist declares our children well balanced and obviously well cared for.

I could go on. But it would just be another Ranty Jim moment. I want out.

And you READ those?? - and take notice??

Oh, and GB is right - we whinge lots (worse than Poms at times)

[Ocean1]

OTOH - it's nice to see the new real estate legislation, at least now the rip-off merchants will no longer be "policing" themselves

and what a surprise - the reinz is whining about it

Poor wee mites.

Leme see, who's next on the list...

NZ least trusted Professions.

Politicians
Car salesmen
Psychics
Real estate agents
Journalists
Stockbrokers
CEOs
Taxi drivers
Mortgage brokers
Lawyers
(equal) Life coaches, Domestic cleaners, Bartenders
Accountants
Religious ministers/priests



Let's start a "Get The Fucking Government Out Of Our Lives" Party.

http://www.libertarianz.org.nz/

[yod]

The right to vote is wasted on most people

the right to having rights isn't though.....

they might not be too good at deciding what they want but they sure as hell can scream like a 5 year old when they're offered something they don't

just look at this thread

[scracha]

feel free to leave whenever you like
You weren't beating your chest and saluting the national flag when you wrote that were you? Why not say what you really mean. "if you don't like it then..." blah blah. zzzzz

Oh...not wanting to sound like a whingeing foreigner but there's a spelling mistake in the thread title. :corn:

[scracha]

(equal) Life coaches, Domestic cleaners, Bartenders


WTF is a "life coach"?

[James Deuce]

And you READ those?? - and take notice??

Oh, and GB is right - we whinge lots (worse than Poms at times)

There's repercussions for not reading and paying attention. They have attempted to organise Special Education Services (Lesibian Social Workers who hate Families) ESWs (Education Support Workers)for our kids without our knowledge. That's active social programming.

[Ocean1]

WTF is a "life coach"?

Dunno, from the company they keep we can assume they’re some sort of sanitary alcoholic advisor.


There's repercussions for not reading and paying attention. They have attempted to organise Special Education Services (Lesibian Social Workers who hate Families) ESWs (Education Support Workers)for our kids without our knowledge. That's active social programming.

BURN THEM. :angry2:

In the most caring and constructive way naturally.

[scracha]

There's repercussions for not reading and paying attention. They have attempted to organise Special Education Services (Lesibian Social Workers who hate Families) ESWs (Education Support Workers)for our kids without our knowledge. That's active social programming.'

Are the social workers Lesbians or Dykes? If it's the former then how do I apply for one?

[onearmedbandit]

I love this country.

[ManDownUnder]

Are you saying that NZ is actually a pretty nice place, all things considered?

...I think he's actually complaining that it's a nice country...??? WTF

(Sorry GB - had to mate LOL)

[ElCoyote]

Then they win. We've got the right to insist that our schools provide the service we want. They’re our kids, if the school wants to raise ‘em let’s see them pay for it. In the meantime they need to STFU and do their job: teach the wee darlings the 3 R’s.

Feminazi's aren't interested in the 3 R's, only trying to model students on themselves. Oh and let us not forget that Uncle Helen actively supports this. :spanking:

[YellowDog]

We need to get some perspective on this.

There is no place you could go to in the world and say there are no issues with society and government. The way the world works is that you have to earn a shed load of money and then make where ever you want to live, what you want it to be. That is not the case in NZ. Unlike most places, very little needs changing.

NZ is not perfect in many ways, but it is still a young country needing to find itself. It probably also needs a lot more guidance than it is getting to save making so many 'bleeding obvious' mistakes.

I have chosen to live in NZ over and above countries such as Canada, USA, Australia, Spain, and France. I still consider I made the best choice and I am very happy with my decision. No one is stopping me living how I want to live and it is not costing me a shed load of money.

Over and above the country itself, it is the people you need to interact with that make a country attractive or unattractive. Hence NZ over AUS any day!

[duckonin]

School newsletters telling us what we can and can't say to our children in regard to education and teachers, demeaning letters questioning our parenting skills and emotively declaring us actively disrespectful and "unloving" in regard to how we treat out children, organising independent psych reviews without our knowledge and then peevishly demanding we pay ($680 for a week's observation) for the psychologist when the psychologist declares our children well balanced and obviously well cared for.

I could go on. But it would just be another Ranty Jim moment. I want out.

BUGGAR me !! have to ask what school would that be ? plus how weak are the parents of the kids allowing this to go on?
Any parent going along without raising a fuss on this matter is as bad as the idiots that implemented the bullshit...:angry2:

[YellowDog]

Plus, NZ must still be an attractive place to foreigners:

I read on the other thread that Bikern1mpho wants to come to NZ to practice her skills...............

[boomer]

feel free to leave whenever you like

you mean like you obviously have.. in mind!

[ManDownUnder]

Comparing notes it is the same in every primary school now.

Volunteers are good. We're quite busy in two arenas at the moment, but slowly making inroads. I let you know when I need a hoard of bikers to impress a point :)

Did you pay? My second question (after asking why they did it...) would be how you somehow took liability for an unsolicited professional service. Them that wants the work done can pay for it.

Tha fact you got a copy of the results doesn't make you liable either.

Sounds like a crock to me...

[Ocean1]

I have chosen to live in NZ over and above countries such as Canada, USA, Australia, Spain, and France. I still consider I made the best choice and I am very happy with my decision. No one is stopping me living how I want to live and it is not costing me a shed load of money.

Over and above the country itself, it is the people you need to interact with that make a country attractive or unattractive. Hence NZ over AUS any day!

Your opinion differs from a large number of the less sedentary Kiwis fleeing over the ditch. Some of that is lifestyle/income driven but a lot of it is escape from political interference.

[yod]

You weren't beating your chest and saluting the national flag when you wrote that were you? Why not say what you really mean. "if you don't like it then..." blah blah. zzzzz


or maybe I just said exactly what I meant, how I meant it

how would you know and why would you bother guessing? what a pointless post



you mean like you obviously have.. in mind!

you've never met me and know nothing about me and you come up with that comment?

how would you know and why would you bother guessing? another pointless post






what is it with people?

[James Deuce]

Did you pay? My second question (after asking why they did it...) would be how you somehow took liability for an unsolicited professional service. Them that wants the work done can pay for it.

Tha fact you got a copy of the results doesn't make you liable either.

Sounds like a crock to me...
Oo no we didn't pay and we managed to get that particular principal to move on. Never let yourself or your family become a victim. Am I paranoid? Yes. But children have been flagged as "significantly different from their peers", so we have to be paranoid.

[vifferman]

WTF is a "life coach"?
We live in a world where people have abdicated personal responsibility for their lives (and we have a Gubmint who seems quite happy about that, and who replace personal responsibility with rules'n'regulations).
Life coaches are leaches who have recognised this abdication of personal responsibility/accountability and charge these poor saps vast amounts of money for dispensing twaddle to said poor saps, telling them how to live their lives so they can rise above being abject failures. Most of the poor saps vaguely aspire to "achieving greatness" or "being a success" or "becoming famous", which of course becomes even more difficult to achieve given the amount of cash that they give away to their life coaches, and given that the very fact they employ one in the first one stamps them indelibly as a Complete And Utter Loser.
But, at least they end up with a Positive Attitude, a new lexicon full of Positivisms and Buzzwords, and a Shony New Radiant Glow.
(Fuck me - reading back over all that twaddle, *I* could be a life coach! :eek:)

In summary, a life coach is a tosser who tells other tossers how to aspire to non-tosserdom.

[ManDownUnder]

But children have been flagged as "significantly different from their peers".

Teach me - why... what do they mean, and by whom (the school, under direction of the State?)

[James Deuce]

They're socially interactive. They say "hello" and "good morning". They have no trouble having a laugh or a cry. One's a bit sensitive and another is a bit agressive and another can be a bit short after hours of his peers not getting it, but generally they are good kids and fun to be around.

They don't sit in a corner rocking backwards and forwards, they aren't picked up by grandparents or a paid cargiver and they get fruit, fibre, and carbs in their lunchbox, and water in their water bottle. Weirdos.

[Ocean1]

They're socially interactive. They say "hello" and "good morning". They have no trouble having a laugh or a cry. One's a bit sensitive and another is a bit agressive and another can be a bit short after hours of his peers not getting it, but generally they are good kids and fun to be around.

They don't sit in a corner rocking backwards and forwards, they aren't picked up by grandparents or a paid cargiver and they get fruit, fibre, and carbs in their lunchbox, and water in their water bottle. Weirdos.

I blame the parents.

[ManDownUnder]

They're socially interactive. They say "hello" and "good morning". They have no trouble having a laugh or a cry. One's a bit sensitive and another is a bit agressive and another can be a bit short after hours of his peers not getting it, but generally they are good kids and fun to be around.

They don't sit in a corner rocking backwards and forwards, they aren't picked up by grandparents or a paid cargiver and they get fruit, fibre, and carbs in their lunchbox, and water in their water bottle. Weirdos.

LOL... top man!


I blame the parents.
Me too - I'll buy them a beer too.

[vifferman]

I blame the parents.
So does my autistic son.

I think he needs a life coach. Someone who gets paid to put up with his shit.

[Finn]

There is no place you could go to in the world and say there are no issues with society and government.

Yes there is, Monaco.

While it's nice to observe that there is still a glimmer of patriotism left in NZ, accepting mediocrity is why the little island is in the shit and getting much worse.

When you say NZ isn't so bad, you're thinking about riding through the twisties and eating pies with your mates. Saying NZ is better than a lot of other countries is true but irrelevant because we live here... for now. This country has significant problems and a very bleak future. We've missed the boat. The country that could have been...

[Ocean1]

So does my autistic son.

I think he needs a life coach. Someone who gets paid to put up with his shit.

Well that's different innit, part of the job description. See paragraph 173, clause 34(f) re "teenagers, the consequences of sex."

[scracha]

or maybe I just said exactly what I meant, how I meant it

how would you know and why would you bother guessing? what a pointless post

Cause I've hearth that phrase 100 times from what I'm guessing is "your kind". Bit if you're not then I sincerely apologise.




In summary, a life coach is a tosser who tells other tossers how to aspire to non-tosserdom.
Sounds like a fuggin awesum job.



read on the other thread that Bikern1mpho wants to come to NZ to practice her skills...............

Only cos she read the "depressed thread" and concluded she's have plenty of work.

[boomer]

or maybe I just said exactly what I meant, how I meant it

how would you know and why would you bother guessing? what a pointless post




you've never met me and know nothing about me and you come up with that comment?

how would you know and why would you bother guessing? another pointless post






what is it with people?

Your persona on the net says it all mate. 'nuff said; and i'm obviously not the only one to notice it.

[Ixion]

Oo no we didn't pay and we managed to get that particular principal to move on. Never let yourself or your family become a victim. Am I paranoid? Yes. But children have been flagged as "significantly different from their peers", so we have to be paranoid.

Why do they think that a bad thing?

[The Pastor]

everyone complains, its not limited to NZ.

[Daffyd]

Why do they think that a bad thing?

I'm guessing it's cos they wont allow themselves to be as easily brainwashed as thet should.
Pupils who think for themselves are no longer acceptible in our education system.

[James Deuce]

Why do they think that a bad thing?

I don't know. I've asked that question directly and get "social isolation" as a response. Meanwhile the "socially isolated" kid is leading 13 redskins on a dragon hunt, right outside the window.

[yod]

Cause I've hearth that phrase 100 times from what I'm guessing is "your kind". Bit if you're not then I sincerely apologise.

guessing....says it all really

but thanks all the same



Your persona on the net says it all mate. 'nuff said; and i'm obviously not the only one to notice it.

says what?

lets hear your assumptions

[vifferman]

blah bah blah, and etc etc etc and I can't read and dunno how to use the quotey thingo
Hey - scracha!
If you're going to use the quote function, make sure you do it properly - only one of your quoted quotes was from me! :crazy:

[ManDownUnder]

I don't know. I've asked that question directly and get "social isolation" as a response. Meanwhile the "socially isolated" kid is leading 13 redskins on a dragon hunt, right outside the window.

Oh my god ... thinking for themselves???

THERE'S the problem - they're not going to fit in ... not in NZ...

[Swoop]

They've never acknowledged that the only beneficiaries of that Free Trade agreement are China, thanks to a massive trade imbalance in China's favour. Which will never change because we don't produce anything China wants.
Not quite true. China is now able to receive our "exported" raw materials that will processed in their factories, sent back to us and used to fill our rubbish dumps.
Scrap metal prices show this...

[James Deuce]

Not quite true. China is now able to receive our "exported" raw materials that will processed in their factories, sent back to us and used to fill our rubbish dumps.
Scrap metal prices show this...
I've never seen meat turned into scrap metal. The Aluminum is Australian.

[Pwalo]

My goodness you're a whingy lot.

[James Deuce]

Yes, but you're short, so we can keep on complaining, right over the top of you.

[Joni]

My goodness you're a whingy lot.I have to agree.....

Yes NZ has problems... in the big picture it is not even remotely at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to countries in the shit.... yet the people tend to whinge and moan and lot more comparatively

That’s just an outsider’s view...
Sincere question, is that just the NZ way?

[Magua]

Want the government out of our lives? Stop voting national, labour and green.

[Pwalo]

Yes, but you're short, so we can keep on complaining, right over the top of you.

Curses, foiled again.

[Pwalo]

I have to agree.....

Yes NZ has problems... in the big picture it is not even remotely at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to countries in the shit.... yet the people tend to whinge and moan and lot more comparatively

That’s just an outsider’s view...
Sincere question, is that just the NZ way?

Yep. We're all whingers. Descended from a long line of whingers. And we don't have a sense of humour or irony either.

[Mikkel]

Yep. We're all whingers. Descended from a long line of whingers. And we don't have a sense of humour or irony either.

Seems this is the case in Oz as well...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unkIVvjZc9Y

Yes, I know it's old. I know it has been posted before. I know that there are real complaints in this thread.

[Pwalo]

Seems this is the case in Oz as well...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unkIVvjZc9Y

Yes, I know it's old. I know it has been posted before. I know that there are real complaints in this thread.

'This is Stephane....He's called Stephane'

[Hitcher]

Want the government out of our lives? Stop voting national, labour and green.

That's how the bastards got elected in the first place.

[James Deuce]

The problems we have are every bit as bad as anywhere else because we've created an environment were success is shunned, difference are only tolerated if you are "ethnic", and our standard of living is plummeting as fast as our personal debt per head of capita rises on rocket boosters. Argentina's economy is in a better state than ours and they were taking their weekly pay home in wheelbarrows a decade ago.

"Outsiders" are looking for overt symptoms of economic and social decay that fit their originating milieu. NZers OTOH just keep trucking to the beach and the bush and let successive Governments become ever more divorced from performing their duties of governance and express surprise when things they took for granted are removed, when services no longer function as they used to, and when they can't get by without large mortgages, CC debt and personal loans. We've never experienced a rapid decline in economic or social status, we don't have violent intentions being visited upon us by neighbouring states or internal confilct, so therefore everything is sweet. It isn't. Our education system has collapsed. The majority of the education spend goes into the blue sky end of the ministry, not teaching. Primary insitutions have no teachers and no money for infrastructure development, unless they invest heavily in bi-culturalism or start a special education unit so they can access the billions in grants avaialble in both areas. In the meantime the young folk of NZ convince themselves that they can get by without basic communication skills, financial skills, or inter personal skills. Our workforce used to be transportable. Our health system has collapsed, we no longer maintain our transport or telecommunications infrastructure. All things that Joe Blow who rarely uses these things directly, especially as each gender moves away from commited relationships and children, both things that mean you HAVE to access the previously mentioned failed systems at some point.

A subtle slow decay is difficult to spot, but always ends with a sudden catastrophe.

[avgas]

I used to see it though rose coloured glasses many moons ago.
Before i met my misses, before i broke my leg, before i went uni, but after i started working.
I thought NZ was fantastic.
Sad fact of the matter is that here we are so full of our shit - that we think nothing i bad here. We tell our kids that nothing is bad here. The news tells us nothing is bad here.
Yet is "Dont-mention-the-fucking-war" when it comes to all the shit aspect of my home country.
We aren't about solutions here, just sweeping problems under more annoying problems. Child abuse........Dont smack ya kids......
Never mind the wankers that drink drive home, pissed as fuck and beat this shit out of their kids. Why would they be scared of such a pussy law and that the lack of police would be unable enforce it.
What do you expect when a bunch of emotional know it all's run the country.

[Grahameeboy]

So you're a Pom! That explains everything. At last...

No I am not and I am not whinging about NZ...I am saying how NZers moan a lot...

[avgas]

Want the government out of our lives? Stop voting national, labour and green.
I did, as did 20% of our bothers and sisters here. 20% of the country did NOT vote last election as a big middle finger to the govt, yet it all falls on deaf ears as there is still a govt, and they still have the same numbers.
If this was South America the beehive would have been burnt to the ground and Guerrilla war would have broken out. But NZ not voting counts as much as pissing on the neighbors fence. What we need is the 'void' party where every seat they get will be left empty. Money can go to stuff the we need

[SPman]

Bahahahaha!
We need to be setting fire to politicians homes and making it unsafe for them to walk the streets.

That's more like it, boyo!

Mst. and I will help you - whose home will we start with and does that include all family members as well.......

so many politicians....so few matches.....

[Maha]

No I am not and I am not whinging about NZ...I am saying how NZers moan a lot...

You are correct, they fucken moan moan moan about anything and everything, well they one's that have an English connection that is...:dodge:

[Hitcher]

No I am not

Bugger. I'll have to find another explanation then. Are you really sure you're not a Pom? Maybe it's contagious...

[YellowDog]

Your opinion differs from a large number of the less sedentary Kiwis fleeing over the ditch. Some of that is lifestyle/income driven but a lot of it is escape from political interference.
Yes, this is true however I did not come to NZ to earn lots of money. I came here with money and was looking for a better quality of life, which I have found.

[Pwalo]

I did, as did 20% of our bothers and sisters here. 20% of the country did NOT vote last election as a big middle finger to the govt, yet it all falls on deaf ears as there is still a govt, and they still have the same numbers.
If this was South America the beehive would have been burnt to the ground and Guerrilla war would have broken out. But NZ not voting counts as much as pissing on the neighbors fence. What we need is the 'void' party where every seat they get will be left empty. Money can go to stuff the we need

I'm actually quite glad this isn't South America (although that Rio place looks interesting at Carnival Time). Guerilla warfare would be a bit of a hassle, and not too flash for our image as a tourist destination.

We can't have a 'void' party, and if you really want to make any sort of contribution to who makes up the government you probably need to vote. It's sort of how democracy works.

To spend money on stuff we need we need to have someone collect taxes. This has proven quite difficult without a central government.

And you can't burn the Beehive to the ground, as it's a concrete structure.

Now stop your whinging and get back to work.

[Big Dave]

I reckon it's down to attitude.
One of the most beautiful places on earth with a great quality of life.
I really like the place and have done very well here.

I'd like to send some of the whiners to Mogadishu for a week and see how they reckon when they come back.

[James Deuce]

That's not a valid argument BD, in fact it's an Ostriches argument.

Don't look now, but someone is stealing your eggs and roasting one of your big juicy thighs.

[Magua]

That's how the bastards got elected in the first place.

I'm not talking about abstaining from voting, but voting for a "Get The Fucking Government Out Of Our Lives" party. Libertarianz perhaps.

[yod]

I reckon it's down to attitude.
One of the most beautiful places on earth with a great quality of life.
I really like the place and have done very well here.

I'd like to send some of the whiners to Mogadishu for a week and see how they reckon when they come back.

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[Big Dave]

That's not a valid argument BD, in fact it's an Ostriches argument.

Don't look now, but someone is stealing your eggs and roasting one of your big juicy thighs.


After due consideration:

I don't care. I have a lifestyle I could franchise.

[BiK3RChiK]

My kids just finished primary school over the past 2 years and I have never had anything but praise from and for the school! Now both are a high school, and I still have nothing but praise from and for the school....

Either change schools or your attitude, dude! Something sounds amiss....

[Mikkel]

I did, as did 20% of our bothers and sisters here. 20% of the country did NOT vote last election as a big middle finger to the govt, yet it all falls on deaf ears as there is still a govt, and they still have the same numbers.

Well, that accomplishes nothing else than saying that you believe that all politicians are equally (in)competent and it doesn't matter what party is getting the votes. (You could argue that it is indeed the case - but it's not going to change anything)

On the other hand you can start your own little rebellion (oh no, they took that opportunity away with the terrorist label...) or go and start your own political party and try and change the system from the inside (good luck, I suspect it'll be an exercise in futility).

[James Deuce]

After due consideration:

I don't care. I have a lifestyle I could franchise.

Crispy Ostrich Drumstick!
I'm buying!

Can I get fries with that?

[Grahameeboy]

Bugger. I'll have to find another explanation then. Are you really sure you're not a Pom? Maybe it's contagious...

Yep, I am neither a Prisoner of Mother England or a Sailor from Portsmouth.

I am a Londoner but "Me" is better because that is true.

[Grahameeboy]

You are correct, they fucken moan moan moan about anything and everything, well they one's that have an English connection that is...:dodge:

So basically Brits complaining about Brits then...

[Grahameeboy]

Yes there is, Monaco.

While it's nice to observe that there is still a glimmer of patriotism left in NZ, accepting mediocrity is why the little island is in the shit and getting much worse.

When you say NZ isn't so bad, you're thinking about riding through the twisties and eating pies with your mates. Saying NZ is better than a lot of other countries is true but irrelevant because we live here... for now. This country has significant problems and a very bleak future. We've missed the boat. The country that could have been...

Geeze Finn you are such a miserable bugger...you take things too seriously...guess when you are short you are under the radar...

Don't need twisties and pies to make one realise this is a paradise...but then you can't please everyone...

I just think it is sad that this is the attitude of quite a few people...I think the significant problem is "Depression" which leads to alcohol, abuse etc...

[Hitcher]

After due consideration:

I don't care. I have a lifestyle I could franchise.

How much do you want for the Wellington agency?

[Grahameeboy]

Bahahahaha!

Yes it isn't as overtly horrendous and repulsive as Southampton or Glasgow.

There's a fundamental rot caused by the laidback "quality". We need to be setting fire to politicians homes and making it unsafe for them to walk the streets. They've sold us up the river in a vast number of ways. We're a post-modern, post-socialist, post-feminist, free market nightmare. You have blinkers on. There are laws that directly contravene the Bill of Rights and NZ's Anti-Discrimination Bill in regard particularly to social programming and the rights of parents and children, and our lovely caring government is desperate to establish a free trade agreement with a country that butchers it's own citizens and absorbs other sovereign states and when people complain go, "What Country? That was always part of China. No, we've NEVER heard of Tibet. Some sort of Western fantasy."

They've never acknowledged that the only beneficiaries of that Free Trade agreement are China, thanks to a massive trade imbalance in China's favour. Which will never change because we don't produce anything China wants.

No, NZ is in a mess that isn't as immediately as apparent as say Liberia, but it is a mess all the same. Just because you don't get beaten up in the street because you forgot to put gang neutral colours doesn't mean it is paradise. By the time NZers notice it's bad, they will have lost the economic power to leave.

But the Govt is also keen to do trade with America...are they any better..."No"...

Okay agree China is not perfect, however, maybe by trading we can influence them to make better changes...put this another way, we got more chance of changing China than we have America...there is still hope with China and we have to realise that China has really just come out of the dark ages compared to many other Countries with many centuries old traditions that are being discovered and are only now being brought to our attention

[Grahameeboy]

Let's start a "Get The Fucking Government Out Of Our Lives" Party.

I vote for anarchy as a useful starting point, and then we can systematically add only the state controls that we really need to live mutually-rewarding lives.

I vote for stop worrying and enjoy life...

[Finn]

Geeze Finn you are such a miserable bugger...you take things too seriously...guess when you are short you are under the radar...

Don't need twisties and pies to make one realise this is a paradise...but then you can't please everyone...

I just think it is sad that this is the attitude of quite a few people...I think the significant problem is "Depression" which leads to alcohol, abuse etc...

What's the weather like in fairyland today?

[Dilligaf]

That's why the place is going down. You aren't allowed to complain because you are either told to piss off or that other places have it worse.
Gee well, that's alright then. :blink:
What happens if someone came to you with a branch stuck in his leg, tell him to harden up because other people have cancer? Because that's the message I seem to be getting from some here. Yes, other countries have it much worse, but what? because of that we are not supposed to talk about the problems facing this one? :scratch:
Seriously, I don't get it, surely talking about problems is the first step in working out ways to fix them.

[BiK3RChiK]

Ahhhh.... the human condition!

M

[MIXONE]

Ahhhh.... the human condition!

M

If I wash my hair with conditioner will it go away or get worse?

[Robbo]

I reckon it's down to attitude.
One of the most beautiful places on earth with a great quality of life.
I really like the place and have done very well here.

I'd like to send some of the whiners to Mogadishu for a week and see how they reckon when they come back.

Yep! That pretty much sums it up BD. What ever happened to good old "Patriatism" ??
Why not try to focus on some of the "Positives" out there. I'm sure there are many and then try and reverse the "Negatives" This just may help to change the way we look at ourselves and our Great Country. :first:

[Ocean1]

I have a lifestyle I could franchise.


How much do you want for the Wellington agency?

*Oohh, a cashed up mark.*

H, ignore BD, Green Acres is the life for you...

[Big Dave]

How much do you want for the Wellington agency?


Are you comfortable in black and understand the intricacies of the F-stop?
I'm also worried about self promotion and egotism. You may have to ramp them up.

[Big Dave]

*Oohh, a cashed up mark.*

H, ignore BD, Green Acres is the life for you...

Hmmmm Zaza when she was young.

[Ocean1]

surely talking about problems is the first step in working out ways to fix them.

Depends on who's defining the problem, one man's "bastards won't pay for my kid's doctor's visit" is another man's "fuckers are thieving all my hard earned wages".

Fact is the existing system rewards short term expediency for those who believe they're underprivileged, and stunningly that's enough of a majority to hold power. If you constrain government performance objectives to achieve economic targets that produce the best return for the majority you might get better results for everyone.

[Ocean1]

Hmmmm Zaza when she was young.

Feck yer old.

[MIXONE]

Hmmmm Zaza when she was young.

Did you know she was a housekeeper?



Every time she got divorced she kept the house.





Her quote not mine.

[avgas]

Yep! That pretty much sums it up BD. What ever happened to good old "Patriatism" ??
Why not try to focus on some of the "Positives" out there. I'm sure there are many and then try and reverse the "Negatives" This just may help to change the way we look at ourselves and our Great Country. :first:
I agree - dont tell the govt anything. And you will get to keep it.
Beat your kids, makes lots of money, do whatever drugs you please, ride as fast as you want..........this country is fantastic for the gangs

[Big Dave]

Feck yer old.

Greeeeeeeeeeeen acres is the place to be.
Faaaaaaaarm living is the life for me.

[Grahameeboy]

What's the weather like in fairyland today?

Always good mate...I'll throw some fairy dust your way...

This response highlights my point...

[SPman]

Yep! That pretty much sums it up BD. What ever happened to good old "Patriatism" ??
.

"Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it." - G B S
"Patriotism - the last refuge of the scoundrel."
Pride in your country - yes, but if things are wrong, it is every persons duty, if he truly believes in and is proud of his country, to speak up, bring attention to it or try and put it right.
"It is curious that physical courage should be so common in the world and moral courage so rare" - Samuel Clemens - as true today as when he said it , 100 years ago.

[Big Dave]

Yep! That pretty much sums it up BD. What ever happened to good old "Patriatism" ??
Why not try to focus on some of the "Positives" out there. I'm sure there are many and then try and reverse the "Negatives" This just may help to change the way we look at ourselves and our Great Country. :first:


Louie G described me as 'relentlessly positive' just recently.

Jim sees it as osterichcitus.

I see it as controlling what I can control - and best dealing with what I can't.

[Grahameeboy]

That's why the place is going down. You aren't allowed to complain because you are either told to piss off or that other places have it worse.
Gee well, that's alright then. :blink:
What happens if someone came to you with a branch stuck in his leg, tell him to harden up because other people have cancer? Because that's the message I seem to be getting from some here. Yes, other countries have it much worse, but what? because of that we are not supposed to talk about the problems facing this one? :scratch:
Seriously, I don't get it, surely talking about problems is the first step in working out ways to fix them.

I see your point, however, all we talk about is problems...what about talking about the good things and realising that the problems are not really problems...and don't need fixing...you know "what is the worse that can happen"

Stick v Cancer thing a bit ??...I would help.

But to compare whether things are good or bad here you have to look around rather than be insular to realise that things are not so bad here...

[Ocean1]

Greeeeeeeeeeeen acres is the place to be.
Faaaaaaaarm living is the life for me.

In time to the girls retrieving their dresses from the water tank... :whistle:

[MIXONE]

In time to the girls retrieving their dresses from the water tank... :whistle:

Please stop now .All my dreams tonight will feature country girls,petticoats and me.:yeah::zzzz::love::buggerd::drool::done:

[Kittyhawk]

:cool:Theres laws for laws here in nz...but we as bikers...meh

[Edbear]

..what is it with people?


KB?


Oo no we didn't pay and we managed to get that particular principal to move on. Never let yourself or your family become a victim. Am I paranoid? Yes. But children have been flagged as "significantly different from their peers", so we have to be paranoid.

Remember they're unique like everybody else...


They're socially interactive. They say "hello" and "good morning". They have no trouble having a laugh or a cry. One's a bit sensitive and another is a bit agressive and another can be a bit short after hours of his peers not getting it, but generally they are good kids and fun to be around.

They don't sit in a corner rocking backwards and forwards, they aren't picked up by grandparents or a paid cargiver and they get fruit, fibre, and carbs in their lunchbox, and water in their water bottle. Weirdos.

Unforgiveable! Ban them and lock them up immediately!


I blame the parents.

Zegackly! How irresponsible can such parents be...?!!!

[tri boy]

Ya think the whingings bad now? You ain't heard nothing yet.
Wait till Sam Shitforbrains, and his partner Debbie Dumbbitch start wail'n about there overinflated house value going deep sth real fast, and how hard it is to pay off the 3 Commodores that were booked up against the house.
Feck me, it's going to be a wail'n old time the next 12-18mths.

New Zealand rocks. The whinger's an moaners are just people who can't work out the real priorities.
Look out your windows. Seen any truck bombs go off in the last week.
Had any sudo police force rape n pillage your family home.
Get a grip you lot.:Oi:

[MIXONE]

Someone once said"Love it or leave it" so will all you wingers sell your bikes and buy a ticket to where ever.


Absolutely sick of wingers.

[Ixion]

Well now, some people think that there's only two options. Whatever the sheeple want to do to you, roll over and take it up the arse; or, run away.

Other people think there's a third option. Fight back, fight for what you believe in, for what should be. If that be called whinging , good for the whingers. Seems to me that the folk crying "I'm happy to take it up the arse, those who aren't should bugger off" are the real whingers.

"My country, right or wrong. When right to be kept right. When wrong , to be set right".

[Gubb]

Protest is Patriotism.

[kevfromcoro]

This morning i went over to the beach..got half a bucket of mussels..came home and lit the barby..got a scnapper out the fridge and cooked it in banana leaf.couple of tomatoes and a bit of garlic.covered it all in lemon peper.scoffed myself stupid...
not many places in the world a person can do that..and it didnt cost a red cent.
course i would rather be in a city..sitting in heaps of trafic..having road rage with some nig nog.................yeah right.
NZ...... Not a bad spot allright

[tri boy]

Seems to me that the folk crying "I'm happy to take it up the arse, those who aren't should bugger off" are the real whingers.



Then slap my starfish, and call me Liber -Archie.
NZ's not going to the dog's. The local mutt's are just whining more.

[Ixion]

No , indeed it is not. But only because there are still enough people willing to stand up and speak out for what they believe in, whenever the PTB start casting covetous looks in the canine direction.

The price of liberty and all that.

[MIXONE]

Ixion I don't know if you believe in self medication but if you do cut back the dose.

[Gibbo13p]

feel free to leave whenever you like

:clap: i'm with you mate.....

[Ixion]

Ixion I don't know if you believe in self medication but if you do cut back the dose.

"Breathes there the man with soul so dead"
"who never to himself hath said ... "

Yep, One, at least, I guess.

[scumdog]

In time to the girls retrieving their dresses from the water tank... :whistle:

That was 'Petticoat Junction' -:doh:!!!!

[Big Dave]

Then slap my starfish, and call me Liber -Archie.
NZ's not going to the dog's. The local mutt's are just whining more.

Well bugger me!

I missed that gem the first time I read it.

[Ocean1]

That was 'Petticoat Junction' -:doh:!!!!

You're right, very good memory for one so ancient... :yes:

[Big Dave]

That was 'Petticoat Junction' -:doh:!!!!

I would have a small wager that Petticoat Juction was a spin off of Green Acres.

Druckers store.

Google it shall we?

Wikipedia says:

The show was set in the same fictional universe as the rural television comedy Green Acres, also set in Hooterville. Both shows shared such characters as Sam Drucker, Newt Kiley, and Floyd Smoot. Characters on all of Henning's creations sometimes "crossed over" into another's programs, especially so during Green Acres first two seasons. In a 1968 episode ("Granny, the Baby Expert"), Granny from The Beverly Hillbillies comes to Hooterville to tend to Betty Jo and Steve's baby. Granny looks at a picture of Kate and is astonished at her resemblance to Jed's cousin, Pearl Bodine (previously played by Benederet). Other crossover shows include one where the Clampetts, Milburn Drysdale, and Miss Jane spend both Thanksgiving and Christmas of 1968 in Hooterville on The Beverly Hillbillies; and a 1970 episode of The Beverly Hillbillies in which Mr. Drysdale thought that billionaire Howard Hughes lived in Hooterville (the man turned out to be Howard Hewes, who owned the Hooterville airport).

[Ixion]

They were both spin offs from Beverley Hillbillies.

[scumdog]

What about Casey Jones, remember that?? (The locomotives always looked 2/3 of full size).

And Mr Hanie (sp) from Greenacres, he alway did things roughly and hamfistedly - hence an expression when I was at school "Shit, that's a Hanie way of doing things"

[Big Dave]

What about Casey Jones, remember that?? (The locomotives always looked 2/3 of full size).

And Mr Hanie (sp) from Greenacres, he alway did things roughly and hamfistedly - hence an expression when I was at school "Shit, that's a Hanie way of doing things"

I do - and the lone ranger and quickdraw mcgraw and touché turtle and top cat......say.....Scumdog = Officer Dibble. He was a cool cop too.

[Ocean1]

Scumdog = Officer Dibble. He was a cool cop too.

Andy Grifiths show, Gomer Pyle. :laugh:

[Big Dave]

Andy Grifiths show, Gomer Pyle. :laugh:

Someone will have a hissy fit about OT.
We should start a new thread.

[scracha]

Hey - scracha!
If you're going to use the quote function, make sure you do it properly - only one of your quoted quotes was from me! :crazy:

Ach...whining beyatches the lot of you. Anyway...I'll use the excuse that girls normally come out with....
I was drunk

[scumdog]

Andy Grifiths show, Gomer Pyle. :laugh:

Once again an expression (which I still use - much to the puzzlement :confused:of those I around me when I use it) for when somebody does something daft or lame: "Don't be such a Gomer".

[Grahameeboy]

Well now, some people think that there's only two options. Whatever the sheeple want to do to you, roll over and take it up the arse; or, run away.

Other people think there's a third option. Fight back, fight for what you believe in, for what should be. If that be called whinging , good for the whingers. Seems to me that the folk crying "I'm happy to take it up the arse, those who aren't should bugger off" are the real whingers.

"My country, right or wrong. When right to be kept right. When wrong , to be set right".

There are battles and there are battles...

[Grahameeboy]

:clap: i'm with you mate.....

I am staying too...love NZ

[huck farley]

What was the name of the show, on black & white tele called. Starring Lloyd Bridges, and he was a deep sea diver. Anyone remember. Big Dave you might!!(not suggesting your old) But very knowledgeable.
cheers
Huck

[scumdog]

What was the name of the show, on black & white tele called. Starring Lloyd Bridges, and he was a deep sea diver. Anyone remember. Big Dave you might!!(not suggesting your old) But very knowledgeable.
cheers
Huck

Sea Hunt?

Just a guess.

[Grahameeboy]

What was the name of the show, on black & white tele called. Starring Lloyd Bridges, and he was a deep sea diver. Anyone remember. Big Dave you might!!(not suggesting your old) But very knowledgeable.
cheers
Huck

Sea Hunt??

[Grahameeboy]

Sea Hunt?

Just a guess.

Ya beat me by a minute...bugger

[Big Dave]

Sea Hunt it was.

I used to fall backwards into my Grandfather's swimming pool in emulation.

I liked Lloyd better in Flying High.

'I had to pick today to give up sniffing glue.'

[Big Dave]

r. Big Dave you might!!(not suggesting your old) But very knowledgeable.
cheers
Huck

I'za Student of Comedy Huck.

Only good up until about 1998 when a moderately fast modem arrived.
Virtually (pun intended) gave up TV for the intarnet then.

[Pixie]

Then they win. We've got the right to insist that our schools provide the service we want. They’re our kids, if the school wants to raise ‘em let’s see them pay for it. In the meantime they need to STFU and do their job: teach the wee darlings the 3 R’s.

Fool,you have no rights.
You live under the Clark Regime

[SixPackBack]

Fool,you have no rights.
You live under the Clark Regime

Not for much longer we don't:devil2:

[revvinkevin]

I could go on. But it would just be another Ranty Jim moment. I want out.

Hey Jim, at least for us to come to your country we have to prove we have skills, and can speak english.
Anyone...............and I mean ANYONE gets to come into the UK and be looked after by the state.
Our jobs are being advertised in multiple languages, but if you dare to mention it you are a racist.
We have spy cameras everywhere but gun and knife crime is through the roof. In fact today in Liverpool (Anfield to be precise) a woman cyclist was dragged from her bicycle and stabbed to death by a car driver.

On many of our roads we now have Average Speed Checks ie. if you are just above the speed limit along a given length of road you get fined and points on your licence. In Scotland the longest of these Average Speed roads in over 20 miles (30 Km) in length. Can you imagine what it is like trying to concentrate on everything going on around you AND being enough of a maths genius to know whether you have been speeding?

Our schools have bars around them.

We imprison elderly people who are unable (because they are on a fixed income) to pay their council Tax (a local tax) but let murderers and rapists go free because we do not have enough prison spaces.

we live in a mad country. I know yours has its problems but from where we are standing you have a piece of paradise.

If you do up and leave, where are you headed to?

[BAD DAD]

Other crossover shows include one where the Clampetts, Milburn Drysdale, and Miss Jane spend both Thanksgiving and Christmas of 1968 in Hooterville on The Beverly Hillbillies; QUOTE]

Do you reckon Miss Jane was a virgin or not? (On the show of course)

[James Deuce]

Hey Jim, at least for us to come to your country we have to prove we have skills, and can speak english.
Anyone...............and I mean ANYONE gets to come into the UK and be looked after by the state.
Our jobs are being advertised in multiple languages, but if you dare to mention it you are a racist.
We have spy cameras everywhere but gun and knife crime is through the roof. In fact today in Liverpool (Anfield to be precise) a woman cyclist was dragged from her bicycle and stabbed to death by a car driver.

On many of our roads we now have Average Speed Checks ie. if you are just above the speed limit along a given length of road you get fined and points on your licence. In Scotland the longest of these Average Speed roads in over 20 miles (30 Km) in length. Can you imagine what it is like trying to concentrate on everything going on around you AND being enough of a maths genius to know whether you have been speeding?

Our schools have bars around them.

We imprison elderly people who are unable (because they are on a fixed income) to pay their council Tax (a local tax) but let murderers and rapists go free because we do not have enough prison spaces.

we live in a mad country. I know yours has its problems but from where we are standing you have a piece of paradise.

If you do up and leave, where are you headed to?

You're in for a bit of a shock I think. ;)

I have a job interview in Jakarta in June. I plan to install the family in Perth and spend some time working around the world if it works out. Then come back to Perth and retire. I'd see more of my family doing it that way than I do living in the same house with them in NZ. I am very tired of 12-18 hour days and terrible pay and conditions.

[Delerium]

"Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it." - G B S
"Patriotism - the last refuge of the scoundrel."
Pride in your country - yes, but if things are wrong, it is every persons duty, if he truly believes in and is proud of his country, to speak up, bring attention to it or try and put it right.
"It is curious that physical courage should be so common in the world and moral courage so rare" - Samuel Clemens - as true today as when he said it , 100 years ago.

Patriotism is virtually non existent in this country. if it was rampant, more people would be signing up with the armed forces, police, education, fire service and the ambos.

Next, crime is going down? no it isnt, reported crime is going down, big difference.

Next, I think I should start the none of the above party, im sure lots of people would vote for that when none of the above turns up on the ballot ::clap:

[Daffyd]

Andy Grifiths show, Gomer Pyle. :laugh:

He was played by Jim Nabors who was an opera trained singer. His signature tune was 'The Impossible Dream'. I have it on CD, it's absolutely brilliant.


Sea Hunt?

Just a guess.

Any relation to 'Joe Hunt'?

[El Dopa]

...successive Governments [are] becoming ever more divorced from performing their duties of governance and [Kiwi's] express surprise when things they took for granted are removed, when services no longer function as they used to, and when they can't get by without large mortgages, CC debt and personal loans.

[The] education system has collapsed. The majority of the education spend goes into the blue sky end of the ministry, not teaching. Primary insitutions have no teachers and no money for infrastructure development.... In the meantime the young folk of NZ convince themselves that they can get by without basic communication skills, financial skills, or inter personal skills.

Our health system has collapsed, we no longer maintain our transport or telecommunications infrastructure. All things that Joe Blow who rarely uses these things directly, especially as each gender moves away from commited relationships and children, both things that mean you HAVE to access the previously mentioned failed systems at some point.

A subtle slow decay is difficult to spot, but always ends with a sudden catastrophe.

To be honest, with a tiny bit more editing, that would sound more or less exactly the same as the the state the UK is in at the moment.

There ain't a western country around at the moment that doesn't have comparable social problems. At least in NZ it has been conclusively proved that the grass actually is greener (4.7% above the global average, according to the International Institute of Idiomatic Herbology).

Yes there are serious problems, but there are compensations: the weather's better, the beaches are nearer and less crowded, there are some mint biking roads on my doorstep (even though I live in the centre of the biggest city on the country), and trackdays are affordable.

So for me it was a choice between living in a country that has the same problems but without the compensations, or living in a country that had the compensations.

[James Deuce]

So for me it was a choice between living in a country that has the same problems but without the compensations, or living in a country that had the compensations.

If you had kids you'd see what I was complaining about. As an adult with no children you aren't privileged to the active social engineering that goes on and the repression of diversity (unless you are "ethnic" of course). Kids are encouraged to lean on state resources for values education and "safety" issues, to the point where it is OK for kids to dob parents in to the Police. This suits the social engineering crowd as they get to pick where the kids land up. There is NO way you get to keep your kids if your 6 year old accuses you of sexual or physical abuse, despite being led to that conclusion by state funded means and aggressive personal interrogation without parental participation.

Gawd, I look like a "UFO abducted me and anally probed me for hours" freak. sigh. Any country where you live in fear and are subject to active State funded aggressive criticism on a repeated basis has no compensations.

[revvinkevin]

But, Oz v NZ, Perth gets seriously hot...........like flames everywhere kinda hot. Things you pick up in the street have a tendency to kill you, and everywhere is so far from everywhere else that you spend more time travelling than enjoying.

For us in the UK, the European experiment has gone too far. We have a system of government whereby what Brussels dictates we have to abide by. Our Parliament is a rubber stamp for the Euro-lunacy that spews across the Channel.
For the last 12 years auditors have refused to sign off the accounts, what does that tell you? Our MPs are crying because they have been found to have their snouts so deep into the trough.

I know that NZ has its problems and maybe we will become disillusioned but we've got to get away from this European madhouse.:argh:


Anyway, from the hours you work I take it you are self employed then Jim?
What do you do?

[YellowDog]

Kev,

It was the soon to be Union of European Socialist Republics that was my primary driver for leaving the UK and relocating to NZ.

All you need now is Albania and Isreal to join, plus the former Russian Republics. No thanks mate.

BIG COUNTRY = BIG PROBLEMS
SMALL COUNTRY = SMALL PROBLEMS

[James Deuce]

Anyway, from the hours you work I take it you are self employed then Jim?
What do you do?
No I'm not self employed but may be soon so I can reduce my hours. I work in IT in the Windows Server Support area and like everything in NZ it is done with a minimum of staff and a "she'll be right - if you losers work harder" type approach. FOrget best practice and proactive infrastructure management, it's all a reactive blind panic.

[James Deuce]

Kev,

It was the soon to be Union of European Socialist Republics that was my primary driver for leaving the UK and relocating to NZ.

All you need now is Albania and Isreal to join, plus the former Russian Republics. No thanks mate.

BIG COUNTRY = BIG PROBLEMS
SMALL COUNTRY = SMALL PROBLEMS

You came to the wrong place.

You guys realise it is now illegal to criticise the Government in any way, in a published form without registering your political "interest" for a substantial fee, don't you? If you start a website taking the piss (you know, political satire like what you fellas invented with "Punch" in the 19th century), your website will be shut down and I think the fine is $10,000.

This is an established Socialist Constitutional Monarchy. The lack of human rights evident in the Westminster Parliamentary system gives a brilliant platform for any Socialist dictator (I'm actually running a risk with this post) to impose regulations that limit freedom of movement and speech in ways that NZers are too blase and lazy to notice or do anything about.

I'm starting to view a country that will happily kill civilians for oil and still actively discriminates against it's "aboriginal" population without batting an eye as a better place to live.

[Swoop]

So basically Brits complaining about Brits then...
Why does that sound like a perpetual motion machine...?

..and it didnt cost a red cent.
Zer Furher Klerke and his finance minister Cullen, have been alerted to this.
The Looney labourite sect will impose some more taxes to prevent this in the future.
Expect to need resource consent and a full OSH safety plan to be able to go onto any of those rocks in the future.
Damn dangerous activity!

(hopefully a P/T!)

[avgas]

BIG COUNTRY = BIG PROBLEMS
SMALL COUNTRY = SMALL PROBLEMS
Haha yeh but you wait - 100 years on they haven't fixed any of the small problems.
Like a good 3 year old with a vivid, millions of small problems is all you need to fuck your house - and us kiwis are good at wrecking stuff on our own.

[Usarka]

Kev,

It was the soon to be Union of European Socialist Republics that was my primary driver for leaving the UK and relocating to NZ.

All you need now is Albania and Isreal to join, plus the former Russian Republics. No thanks mate.

BIG COUNTRY = BIG PROBLEMS
SMALL COUNTRY = SMALL PROBLEMS

wattaya worried about, albania and israel are both small countries

[Rogue]

Yep I guess there a few whingers in NZ but I do think they are of old English stock and have never realy come to grips with the true essence of being a laid back New Zealander :rofl:

As Rob M once said New Zealanders moving to Oz raises the IQ of both countries :spanking: