Number plate hard to read?

[Biggles08]

Tell me, have I got super human eyes cause I can read my number plate fine...Apparently the cop who gave me a ticket for $200 today couldn't read it....what do you think...can you see it too?

FFS!?

[dino3310]

appeal it bro, the cops on a fucken power trip

[Kiwifire72]

Cant read number plate but serial umber on it is
NZP294628572394736294875639474/93736528494

[Biggles08]

appeal it bro, the cops on a fucken power trip


You better believe I'll appeal it!

[HornetBoy]

I can read it very easily but...
Have you got one of those setups with the plate mounted on the undertray and facing inward ?

the plod dont seem to like bikers with their number plates like that .

[Biggles08]

I can read it very easily but...
Have you got one of those setups with the plate facing inward ?

Its on a slight angle but Its been mounted as vertical as possible so as not to have any issues with the police...mmmmm...heres another angle on it for you.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb121/biggles08/My%20ZX6R%20636/REDUCE_P2140312.jpg

[HornetBoy]

Its on a slight angle but Its been mounted as vertical as possible so as not to have any issues with the police...mmmmm...heres another angle on it for you.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb121/biggles08/My%20ZX6R%20636/REDUCE_P2140312.jpg

:cool: nice setup mate ,

can see where the cop is coming from as its pretty far under but the fact is he gave you a ticket for lack of seeing your plate, and you can clearly see the plate from those pictures just as good as a stock setup so id say take them out in court ,he must of been low on the quota or sumthing id guess :Oi:

[McJim]

ECB842....looks fine to me.....where's the bike? :rofl:

[Biggles08]

:cool: nice setup mate ,

can see where the cop is coming from as its pretty far under but the fact is he gave you a ticket for lack of seeing your plate, but you can clearly see the plate from those pictures just as good as a stock setup so id say take them out in court ,he must of been low on the quota or sumthing id guess :Oi:

I'm really annoyed as I was soooo considerate of making sure it was easily visible without any intention of trying to hide it...I thought I had achieved that. I believe I got a ticket because I have a radar detector...I wasn't speeding and he presumed I had heard them via my RD and he was annoyed at that so he went over my bike looking for things...he also gave me a ticket for no rear facing reflector ($150) . I was very humble and polite too....until he started writing up the tickets then I told him what I thought about the whole situation!

[HornetBoy]

I'm really annoyed as I was soooo considerate of making sure it was easily visible without any intention of trying to hide it...I thought I had achieved that. I believe I got a ticket because I have a radar detector...I wasn't speeding and he presumed I had heard them via my RD and he was annoyed at that so he went over my bike looking for things...he also gave me a ticket for no rear facing reflector ($150) . I was very humble and polite too....until he started writing up the tickets then I told him what I thought about the whole situation!

wow the no rear reflector fine is pretty harsh ,they usually are pretty lenient on that one,i think just getting a stupid $150 fine for no rear reflector would make me explode,yea sounds like the radar got his bloody boiling eh :pinch:

guess its back to the original number plate setup then ? unless you try bringing it foward a bit ...

[Biggles08]

guess its back to the original number plate setup then ? unless you try bringing it foward a bit ...

Fuck off...I'm not drilling my nice under tail...besides theres nothing fucking wrong with it!

[McJim]

Fit it to the hem of your jacket.

[HornetBoy]

Fuck off...I'm not drilling my nice under tail...besides theres nothing fucking wrong with it!

Yup as far as being ticketed for lack of visibility :rolleyes: what a crock of shit...

[HornetBoy]

Fit it to the hem of your jacket.

or to the back of your helmet ...
can you legally do that ?:devil2:

[Biggles08]

Fit it to the hem of your jacket. Would still have gotten a ticket where ever it was...unless it was stock standard. He kept saying "thats not stock standard" and "you can't just go and modify your bike" and "its not up to warrant of fitness standards" and "I've got a little weiner..."

Honestly...it fucks me off cause recently I had a bad off on my bike because some fucktard was parked around a blind corner AND out of his car in the road. I tried to avoid him ending up under his parked car with my arse torn open and 10 broken bones..I was within an inch on my life. Now guess what that guy is getting charged with...yep you guessed it...nothing! Aparently they don't have enough evidence and their is no law he has broken because he was out of his car at the time of the accident! Now this wanker today who decided to pull me over and give me these pathetic tickets "In the name of safety" you tell me, wheres the justice in that????

yes I am a little upset right now!

[McJim]

Would still have gotten a ticket where ever it was...unless it was stock standard. He kept saying "thats not stock standard" and "you can't just go and modify your bike" and "its not up to warrant of fitness standards" and "I've got a little weiner..."

Sounds like the correct response would have been to remove said number plate and stick it up his arse then?

[Phurrball]

I'd be writing in to the Police infringment bureau with lots of photos personally.

No reflector ticket is very on the nose...

C'mon...What'd you do just prior to your certificate presentation to upset the nice policeman?

[HDTboy]

Chain lube is great for concealing plates, if that's your kind of thing

[Biggles08]

I'd be writing in to the Police infringment bureau with lots of photos personally.

No reflector ticket is very on the nose...

C'mon...What'd you do just prior to your certificate presentation to upset the nice policeman?

The guy I was riding with was well in front of me and he lost his license for 142kph...there were two cops sitting there waiting and the other guy wanted something to do too I guess...thing is, he was pissed that I wasn't speeding and I looked like I should have been. He didn't like bikes and it was well obvious with his first words spoken. I was completely riding within the law and he didn't like that apparently!

[Dafe]

After zooming in your pic, I agree - It doesn't warrant a fine.
But it could possibly warrant a WOF fail.
The plate isn't in good condition with those bolt marks and the angle and placement does look poor.
I also couldn't see a plate lamp. It's not WOF standard unless it has a lamp. Many bike shops ignore that though.

[Biggles08]

After zooming in your pic, I agree - It doesn't warrant a fine.
But it could possibly warrant a WOF fail.
The plate isn't in good condition with those bolt marks and the angle and placement does look poor.
I also couldn't see a plate lamp. It's not WOF standard unless it has a lamp. Many bike shops ignore that though.

I disagree with most of that...oh and it does have a lamp that lights up the whole underside of the bike at night...better than stock. I still maintain that there was no intention of hiding my plate and I believe that is obvious...the law as I understand it states that it needs to be visible from the rear of the vehicle and in an upright position...meets that.

[El Dopa]

The guy I was riding with was well in front of me and he lost his license for 142kph...there were two cops sitting there waiting and the other guy wanted something to do too I guess...thing is, he was pissed that I wasn't speeding and I looked like I should have been. He didn't like bikes and it was well obvious with his first words spoken. I was completely riding within the law and he didn't like that apparently!

Wasn't around Peak Rd/Old North, was it? If it was, and if the guy was a ginge, you've just encountered an infamous bike-hater.

Bad policing, in my opinion. Been in similar situations, and all it really makes you want to say is: 'fuck 'em and their speeding laws. Might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb'. And off you hoon at full throttle.

[Biggles08]

Wasn't around Peak Rd/Old North, was it? If it was, and if the guy was a ginge, you've just encountered an infamous bike-hater.

Bad policing, in my opinion. Been in similar situations, and all it really makes you want to say is: 'fuck 'em and their speeding laws. Might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb'. And off you hoon at full throttle.

yep it was and yes I did feel like that....ruined my weekend for what??? Wanker!

[enigma51]

Where is it?

[enigma51]

Wasn't around Peak Rd/Old North, was it? If it was, and if the guy was a ginge, you've just encountered an infamous bike-hater.

Bad policing, in my opinion. Been in similar situations, and all it really makes you want to say is: 'fuck 'em and their speeding laws. Might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb'. And off you hoon at full throttle.

He has pulled me for my exhaust

Which is the factory one!

[Biggles08]

Where is it? up the cops arse!

[enigma51]

yep it was and yes I did feel like that....ruined my weekend for what??? Wanker!

So you out this way and dont stop over ASSSSSHOLE

[enigma51]

up the cops arse!

Does he not know you can hide lots of things up yours? :mobile:

[enigma51]

On a serious note take it for a wof and send that in with it

[SixPackBack]

Contact kiwifruit. His father was fined in a similar fashion and challenged it resulting in the case being thrown out of court.

An interesting side affect of such a benign brush with the law is the long term attitude change. Said copper has undoubtedly damaged yet another law abiding citizens opinion of the law and policing. Probably for a considerable time.

Shame on them.

[Biggles08]

He has pulled me for my exhaust

Which is the factory one!

he mentioned mine too...said it was too loud. thats a safety hazard too isn't it. He must love his life. Asked me what my radar detector was for...I told him "what do you think?" ...this was all after he had already given me a ticket...I had no reason to be polite to him then...I had figured out he was a self righteous, stuck up, left wing, cock sucking, wanker by that stage. I'm looking forward to seeing his embarrassed face when the judge throws this one out of court! Good to see the police are out there keeping us safe from people like me riding a bike that is not up to WOF standard huh!?

[kiwifruit]

On a serious note take it for a wof and send that in with it

good call

i'd defend the charge, should get thrown out pretty quick:sunny:

[Biggles08]

Contact kiwifruit. His father was fined in a similar fashion and challenged it resulting in the case being thrown out of court.

An interesting side affect of such a benign brush with the law is the long term attitude change. Said copper has undoubtedly damaged yet another law abiding citizens opinion of the law and policing. Probably for a considerable time.

Shame on them.

Already done A. Thanks and yes my faith in the laws in this country was shaky at best following recent events and this merely puts the full stop on it...they think we're a bunch of sheep...fuck em all i say!

[enigma51]

he mentioned mine too...said it was too loud. thats a safety hazard too isn't it. He must love his life. Asked me what my radar detector was for...I told him "what do you think?" ...this was all after he had already given me a ticket...I had no reason to be polite to him then...I had figured out he was a self righteous, stuck up, left wing, cock sucking, wanker by that stage. I'm looking forward to seeing his embarrassed face when the judge throws this one out of court! Good to see the police are out there keeping us safe from people like me riding a bike that is not up to WOF standard huh!?

If its gets there
If you send the recent wof with the ticket they will dismiss it. I just got a letter from the bike shop saying its factory took pictures of the pipe with the fuck off big suzuki on it and it was sorted and for good measure wrote a letter to the police complaint thing ....... but nothing happened

[HornetBoy]

he mentioned mine too...said it was too loud. thats a safety hazard too isn't it.

lol you've got to be joking ,what the hell is that guys problem,a louder exhaust is if anything a point in increaseing cage drivers awareness of you behind/beside them

[mxracer_nz]

definitly take it to court man! these traffic cops are getting out of control. He`ll get whats coming to him one day.... hopefully a big black guy fresh out of prison!

[Aero165]

Tell me, have I got super human eyes cause I can read my number plate fine...Apparently the cop who gave me a ticket for $200 today couldn't read it....what do you think...can you see it too?

FFS!?

Exact same thing happened to me the other day bro! Cept this cop was only a mild wanker and let me off with a warning:clap:

[Biggles08]

definitly take it to court man! these traffic cops are getting out of control. He`ll get whats coming to him one day.... hopefully a big black guy fresh out of prison!

I will be if it goes that far...I'll write a letter to them first pulling no punches and see if I can get them to drop it...problem is I should be nice a friendly in the letter and I don't think i can be (or should be). Pisses me off though...why should i have to go through this bs because of this fucktard?

[Aero165]

After zooming in your pic, I agree - It doesn't warrant a fine.
But it could possibly warrant a WOF fail.
The plate isn't in good condition with those bolt marks and the angle and placement does look poor.
I also couldn't see a plate lamp. It's not WOF standard unless it has a lamp. Many bike shops ignore that though.

Not true. I took my bike in for a warrant the other day. I was worried that he might fail me for my number plate so I asked him upfront if he'd fail me for it. He said that number plates have nothing to do with the WOF process. Now I don't know if that is just his opinion or the rule. My assessment is he's a good cunt:woohoo:

[Biggles08]

Not true. I took my bike in for a warrant the other day. I was worried that he might fail me for my number plate so I asked him upfront if he'd fail me for it. He said that number plates have nothing to do with the WOF process. Now I don't know if that is just his opinion or the rule. My assessment is he's a good cunt:woohoo:the cop said it wasn't wof standard because of the lack of reflector, not the plate.

[98tls]

Cant see a problem with it myself..at all.I would dispute it for sure,on the reflector thing i just bought a $10 stick on one and cut it in 1/2,never had a problem.

[Biggles08]

Cant see a problem with it myself..at all.I would dispute it for sure,on the reflector thing i just bought a $10 stick on one and cut it in 1/2,never had a problem.

Nice TL bud :-D i like.

Yeah I'll go and get a reflector and a new WOF and write a letter to the cops and see if they will drop it.

[Biggles08]

So you out this way and dont stop over ASSSSSHOLE Never got that far dude....turned around and went home to sulk here on kb...lol. It was right at the intersection of old nrth and 16 they were waiting.

[NinjaNanna]

Hey Marcus, playing devils advocate here, you might want to double check the plate with you sitting on it. With the static sag coming into play the damn thing may possibly be obsured.

But anyway sounds to me like he REALLY didn't believe that you weren't cruising along at the same speed as your mate before your detector alledgedly saved your arse.

By the way said friend wasn't BBM was it?

[Biggles08]

Hey Marcus, playing devils advocate here, you might want to double check the plate with you sitting on it. With the static sag coming into play the damn thing may possibly be obsured.

But anyway sounds to me like he REALLY didn't believe that you weren't cruising along at the same speed as your mate before your detector alledgedly saved your arse.

By the way said friend wasn't BBM was it?

I have checked it and it sags about 20mm and is still very very very visible. I will take photos of me on it when I send in the pictures. Oh and no it wasn't BBM :-)...he rides a R1 and has been to Taupo with us a while back...not sure if you know him. Poor bugger had just overtaken me too and took off down the big straight...he was cruising with me the entire time before that too. It was the first ride he had been on in 3 months!!!

[marty]

i think you'll find the taillight has a reflector in it. take a photo at night with the flash to confirm. i will have a dig around the rego plate viz requirements and get back to you

[Biggles08]

i think you'll find the taillight has a reflector in it. take a photo at night with the flash to confirm. i will have a dig around the rego plate viz requirements and get back to you

thanks marty. I just had a look and I don't think there is one in there cause its LED's in there not like the older incandescent lights that used to have reflectors in there too...but I will check at night.

Re the Vinz requirements thanks because last time I looked I could find fuck all about what is required. I'll contact Kiwifruits parents and pick there brains too.

[marty]

Transport (Vehicle Registration and Licensing) Notice 1995 (SR 1995/136) (as at 03 September 2007)


6 Affixing of registration plates (other than trade plates)

Registration plates issued for a motor vehicle shall be displayed as follows:

(a) In the case of a motor vehicle other than a motor vehicle of any of the kinds specified in paragraph (b) of this clause, one plate shall be displayed on the front of the vehicle and one plate shall be displayed on the rear of the vehicle, and both plates shall be in an upright position and so displayed that every letter, figure, and distinguishing mark on the plate is easily visible:

(b) in the case of any motor cycle, moped, tractor, or trailer, one plate shall be displayed on the rear of the vehicle in an upright position and so displayed that every letter, figure, and distinguishing mark on the plate is easily visible

[marty]

ask nicely and you shall receive :)

[Biggles08]

(b) in the case of any motor cycle, moped, tractor, or trailer, one plate shall be displayed on the rear of the vehicle in an upright position and so displayed that every letter, figure, and distinguishing mark on the plate is easily visible

I guess it comes down to my poll question...is it easily visible? America...FUCK YEAH!

what a cock this coont is!

[SixPackBack]

I think Biggles this case highlights the need to start using the police complaints procedure. A fair number of rozza's are more than reasonable, those that are not need the tables turning-he's hassling you [and many others if its that ginger coont!].

Time to start hassling him. While his 'attitude' is not likely to get him booted with enough people bitching you can bet something will transpire.

[as the ginga coont is named] took my licence. To see him 4 months later [by chance] pulling wheelies down Brian Crescent and exceeding the speed limit in a 50 zone in a most dangerous, potentially life threatening manner is some thing that completely changed my opinion of policing in this country. The cartright report confirmed it.

Hassle back Biggles. Be the first.

[civil]

Welcome to the club. Another one pushed just a little too far, so now willing to stand up and fight back. Most people haven’t taken the coloured pill yet, as it is just still too easy for them to bend over and take what has been coming for them.

Freedom is a journey not a destination.

[Stromble]

Looks good to me... does it have illumination? (is that a legal requirement here?)

[Biggles08]

Looks good to me... does it have illumination? (is that a legal requirement here?) Yes it lights up brighter than a Christmas tree on steroids...far brighter than stock lighting.

[enigma51]

Welcome to the club. Another one pushed just a little too far, so now willing to stand up and fight back. Most people haven’t taken the coloured pill yet, as it is just still too easy for them to bend over and take what has been coming for them.

Freedom is a journey not a destination.

Yip and who pays for it ....... not the copper i can promise that one

[BIGBOSSMAN]

Why am I awake at this time of the morning? Why am I on KB reading this thread? Why do I agree with every sentiment expressed by Biggles?
Because he's right, that's why!
We have KillaBeez running amok in Sth Auckland, a looney throwing old women off bridges in Remmers yet this chromosomally challenged Goebbels is out there 'protecting' the public by hammering bikers out enjoying their ride.
This prik Ginga is a powertripper filling his Helengrad inspired quota for sure.
There's nothing wrong with your plate Biggles, at least nothing that could have been rectified by a warning from our local Bobby.
It just won't happen in Socialist NZ, that's all...

[Mikkel]

Pretty damn visible that number plate IMHO! Contest the ticket...

Is there actually any requirements as to dimensions of number plates and the letters displayed on the plates? I have seen a lot of different number plates and they seem like they would be dead easy to replicate if you wanted to.

What would prevent you from getting WOF with a number plate that was 5 by 10 cm?

Also, with regards to the rear reflector - unless he wrote a seperate ticket on that it should be redundant seeing as there are no requirements for a reflector on your number plate. Even if he did make a ticket on that issue I suppose it would be easy to introduce a reflector into the tail light and take a night photo of it.

Sounds like a right cunt to me - hope you get somewhere with your complaint!


Yes it lights up brighter than a Christmas tree on steroids...far brighter than stock lighting.

So, he could do you for trying to blind following traffic? ;)

[MaxB]

Looks OK to me.

If you took your bike for a WOF right now and it passed then they wouldn't really have any grounds for the tickets. You would have the cops word versus documentary evidence from a testing professional. That would give you a big advantage in the bunfight.

[Biggles08]

The cop took photos of the rear of my bike...one from the worst angle with the Ohlins remote preload adjuster in the way and one from behind. the # Plate does have nothing to do with WOF so its irrelevant. The ticket he gave me states:
1) License plate not easily distinguasable ($200)
2)Not up to WOF standard($150)

So the first one is easy...it is quite esily distinguasable from all angles behind....even the worst angle as mentioned. I will take photos and send in with my letter. The second one I will be getting a WOF this week so will send that in with my letter of complaint too. If they have any sense they will drop it there but I have a feeling I will have to go to court over this one....AND I FUCKEN WILL TOO!

[SixPackBack]

Fight back Biggles.

Go here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1476379&postcount=7) for information on the complaints procedure.

[Biggles08]

So, he could do you for trying to blind following traffic? ;)

Wouldn't surprise me because "thats not stock standard"...."you can't just go and modify your bike"....."I have a small pecker and you look like you have a bigger one than me...thats a fine"...."do you mind if I have a wank while I write you this ticket...it really gets me going this shit!"

FFS piss off ginger coont...I'm fucking coming for your arse...I'll see you in court you fucking little Hitler!

[SixPackBack]

Wouldn't surprise me because "thats not stock standard"...."you can't just go and modify your bike"....."I have a small pecker and you look like you have a bigger one than me...thats a fine"...."do you mind if I have a wank while I write you this ticket...it really gets me going this shit!"

FFS piss off ginger coont...I'm fucking coming for your arse...I'll see you in court you fucking little Hitler!

Yeah baby:devil2:. Good to see someone refusing to stay with the flock. Hold onto that indignation Biggles.

[Grahameeboy]

When you have your day in Court suggest you stick to point...no finger pointing a cop...all you have to do is show it was readable...nothing less.

"Less is More"

[Dafe]

Not true. I took my bike in for a warrant the other day. I was worried that he might fail me for my number plate so I asked him upfront if he'd fail me for it. He said that number plates have nothing to do with the WOF process. Now I don't know if that is just his opinion or the rule. My assessment is he's a good cunt:woohoo:


So I wouldn't need a plate on my vehicle to get a WOF?

[Biggles08]

When you have your day in Court suggest you stick to point...no finger pointing a cop...all you have to do is show it was readable...nothing less.

"Less is More"

Oh I'll play the game don't you worry Gboy...This thread is more for other bikers to see that this prick is on a power trip and WE all need to stand up against this sort of cop behavior...or we may as well sell our bikes now and throw our hands up saying "you win....speed kills." Also on the odd chance that Ginger is reading this thread I want him to know that he has made an enemy that has a spine and will make it my goal to show him for what he truly is...a BAD COP not doing his job in the right spirit.

[Biggles08]

So I wouldn't need a plate on my vehicle to get a WOF?Nope...its not a safety concern...its a licensing issue, not a WOF issue.

[mowgli]

...he also gave me a ticket for no rear facing reflector ($150)

WTF!! The whole number plate is one giant reflector. I'll bet that law hasn't been updated since the switch to black on white plates. Good luck with your appeal bro

[madbikeboy]

The guy I was riding with was well in front of me and he lost his license for 142kph...there were two cops sitting there waiting and the other guy wanted something to do too I guess...thing is, he was pissed that I wasn't speeding and I looked like I should have been. He didn't like bikes and it was well obvious with his first words spoken. I was completely riding within the law and he didn't like that apparently!

Hey, was the cop a middle aged faggot with a pornstache driving a Honda Accord mufti? I've had mates who have been ticketed by this particular fuckwit - he's got a thing for bikers, maybe his wife left him for one - anyhow, he's well known as petty and full of shit - my friend Lance had his ticket squashed by fuckwit's boss on appeal...

[Dino]

All the best for your defence, this sounds really pety.

[BIGBOSSMAN]

Glad I didn't go on the ride with Mikey and Biggles now, it could well have been my asshole skewered by this Carrot-top Atilla The Hun!!:sweatdrop

[FROSTY]

Hey Biggles --take another picture this time from the pov of a car driver
So sit on ya bike and get a pic takenfrom the drivers seat of a car
That will prove one way or another

[Monsterbishi]

Hey Biggles --take another picture this time from the pov of a car driver
So sit on ya bike and get a pic takenfrom the drivers seat of a car
That will prove one way or another

He may run into issues in court if it's raised that the likes of trucks, speed camera's, opposing traffic, etc wouldn't be able to 'easily distinguish' the plate, therefore illegal.

Personally, I'd just do a setup the same as 98TLS bike, nice, clean setup, and unquestionably 100% legal.

[fLaThEaD FreD]

A few years back a guy pointed a loaded gun through 4wd window and threeatened to shoot me. As I dropped the clutch and high tailed it outa there he let two rounds go at me.

He got community service........why?.......cos he drunk with his cop mates every Friday night.

They will still nail you on the number plate.......you cant win!

[Swoop]

I have checked it and it sags about 20mm and is still very very very visible. I will take photos of me on it when I send in the pictures. Oh and no it wasn't BBM :-)...he rides a R1 and has been to Taupo with us a while back...not sure if you know him. Poor bugger had just overtaken me too and took off down the big straight...he was cruising with me the entire time before that too. It was the first ride he had been on in 3 months!!!
You have a clear-cut case to defend. As Marty posted - "Can the plate be seen clearly from the rear" = yes.
You have lots of photo's, so have them ready for a court hearing.
Simply wasting the ginger cunt's time by having to trot off to court again, is good.
Quite surprised that there hasn't been the pleasant sound of gunfire from 16 yet... It will happen sooner or later, somewhere in NZ.

Also, with regards to the rear reflector - unless he wrote a seperate ticket on that it should be redundant seeing as there are no requirements for a reflector on your number plate.
The requirement for a reflector stems from the simple fact that your plate can fall off. Several recent examples of this confirm this can happen.
Not having a reflector is a fairly petty thing, but getting run up the arse at night, could be worse.

WTF!! The whole number plate is one giant reflector. I'll bet that law hasn't been updated since the switch to black on white plates.
See above.



The police complaint's authority is a crock of shit simply designed to support the police.
Write a letter to the minister of transport and also the shadow minister.

[pzkpfw]

What would prevent you from getting WOF with a number plate that was 5 by 10 cm?

Not sure if it's specifically a WOF issue or not, but plates are legal only if they are the genuine thing made by the authorised maker.

People do seem to get away with others (e.g. sport cars with home-made stuff on front) but that doesn't mean it's legal.

The reflector thing is pretty clear too. Gotta have one. Doubt that fine can be argued (except in terms of "I fixed it now".)

Number plate mounting seems a bit badly defined. e.g. what exactly do they mean by "upright"? Just that it can't be upside down? Or that it must be 90 degrees from horizontal? Kiwifruits' folk got away with a plate mounted short-side down.

My bike still has the stock mount for the plate, with the plate attached as by the bike shop that sold it to me. The way THEY mounted the licence obscures my "E" and makes it look like an "F". Maybe I could get a fine for that?


Biggles - what did you do to light the plate?

[McJim]

Just had a thought. Get someone to take a photo of you on the bike. With your weight on the suspension maybe the rear hugger DOES obscure the plate.....just a thought.

[FROSTY]

The questions I'd be asking as Mr cop is
1) where is the lighting for this number plate?
2) where is the red reflector required by law?
3) is the plate clearly visable/readable from my drivers seat or a speed camera ?
--Im not having a go at ya here biggles --Im just preparing ya for the likely questions

[marty]

He may run into issues in court if it's raised that the likes of trucks, speed camera's, opposing traffic, etc wouldn't be able to 'easily distinguish' the plate, therefore illegal.

.

that's not what the leg says - just that it must be distinguishable. it says nothing about from what sort of vehicle

[Monsterbishi]

that's not what the leg says - just that it must be distinguishable. it says nothing about from what sort of vehicle

Arguing something like this in court is never that simple though, all that would result in is the judge explaining that the plates are there so that everyone can identify you, not just a select motoring demographic.

[kinger]

So I wouldn't need a plate on my vehicle to get a WOF?

When I imported mine, it was
1. Brake check
2. Warrant
3. Rego

So, no, a plate isn't needed for a WOF

[Pumba]

Good to see you will be fighting it.

That way there will be some case law on the books for everyone else later on:shutup:

[Biggles08]

The questions I'd be asking as Mr cop is
1) where is the lighting for this number plate?
2) where is the red reflector required by law?
3) is the plate clearly visable/readable from my drivers seat or a speed camera ?
--Im not having a go at ya here biggles --Im just preparing ya for the likely questions

1) Lighting is there in the form of LED's that light it up supper bright at night.
2) No reflector I'm sorry but that can and has been remedied
3) Clear at day...no problems here...look at these fifty photos taken from every angle possible...the worst angle is where the Ohlins adjuster is in the way however you can still read what the plate is.

[Biggles08]

Arguing something like this in court is never that simple though, all that would result in is the judge explaining that the plates are there so that everyone can identify you, not just a select motoring demographic.
I highly doubt it Monterbishi...a more likely outcome will be the judge looks at all the photos of the plate...including the ones the cop took and saying "well I can clearly read it???"

[Biggles08]

Hey, was the cop a middle aged faggot with a pornstache driving a Honda Accord mufti? I've had mates who have been ticketed by this particular fuckwit - he's got a thing for bikers, maybe his wife left him for one - anyhow, he's well known as petty and full of shit - my friend Lance had his ticket squashed by fuckwit's boss on appeal...

I actually don't think it was ginger...there seems to be another one around now...wippy!

[Biggles08]

Personally, I'd just do a setup the same as 98TLS bike, nice, clean setup, and unquestionably 100% legal.

Mine's fucking legal too...FFS!!!???

[Biggles08]

A few years back a guy pointed a loaded gun through 4wd window and threeatened to shoot me. As I dropped the clutch and high tailed it outa there he let two rounds go at me.

He got community service........why?.......cos he drunk with his cop mates every Friday night.

They will still nail you on the number plate.......you cant win!

Well I'll go down fighting and screaming...that is a defeatist attitude mate...if we don't do things about shitheads like this guy then yes they will win every time...as the saying goes "For evil to prevail, all it takes is for good people to do nothing!"

[Biggles08]

Biggles - what did you do to light the plate?

LED lights...look at the photo again and you can see the light arm coming over the # Plate shining back onto it...no problems with lighting.

[pzkpfw]

LED lights...look at the photo again and you can see the light arm coming over the # Plate shining back onto it...no problems with lighting.

Sorry, can't see it.

Been banging my head trying to figure this out - want to build a tail tidy without paying for all the bits. (Got all the rest figured out).

Have bought various LED's but not yet found a tidy way to mount them.

Good luck with your issue.

Cheers,

[Biggles08]

Sorry, can't see it.

Been banging my head trying to figure this out - want to build a tail tidy without paying for all the bits. (Got all the rest figured out).

Have bought various LED's but not yet found a tidy way to mount them.

Good luck with your issue.

Cheers,

Try again...have a look at the top of the # plate in this pic (http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb121/biggles08/My%20ZX6R%20636/REDUCE_P2140312.jpg)....see the stainless steel piece arm coming over the plate...there are LED's in that facing the plate....if you can't see it maybe you should go sign up to become a traffic cop...LOL (just kidding bud):rolleyes:

[YellowDog]

Biggles mate, I have been through courts and they are generally a waste of time and money. This is a point of principal and the cop must have been looking for for a fight (or he knows something about the law he has not told you).

To prepare your case, why don't you have a photo taken of you on a ladder at speed camera height, taking a photo of your bike. This will prove the point over visibility and complying with the law. Also, take photos from 45 degree angles at road level to show that any cop will be able to read the plate.

I went to court a few years back over an arguament regarding right of way following a collision. I was in a court with 45 photos and black marker pens to demonstrate my case. The judge smiled and asked the otherside if they had any photos in response to my 'Gotcha'? He then dismissed the case :-)

Just be prepared, 'cos judges like a cut & dry arguament. Do also however check that you are legally within your rights to mount the plate so far forward. The fact that the cop says that he could not see the plate, when clearly he can looks like you have a good case.

Good luck to you.

[barty5]

The requirement for a reflector stems from the simple fact that your plate can fall off. Several recent examples of this confirm this can happen.
Not having a reflector is a fairly petty thing, but getting run up the arse at night, could be worse.

They can fall off as well.

[TimeOut]

FFS Most trailers have the plate mounted vertical and if on the mudguard laying back at on an angle.
Four wheel drives that have bull bars quite often have a lump of pipe covering most of the plate.

Good luck with this one.

[Swoop]

The requirement for a reflector stems from the simple fact that your plate can fall off. Several recent examples of this confirm this can happen.
Not having a reflector is a fairly petty thing, but getting run up the arse at night, could be worse.

They can fall off as well.
Correct. However the chances of both falling off at the same time, are remote.

[marty]

Arguing something like this in court is never that simple though, all that would result in is the judge explaining that the plates are there so that everyone can identify you, not just a select motoring demographic.

I would argue that as long as it could be seen from an angle of 45 degrees either side (the same as rearward-facing red lights), and from a vehicle travelling at the legal travelling distance behind, then it would be ok.

Go and take some photos of some trucks and trailers and present a number of different angles on number plate placement.

The other ticket, for not up to WOF standard - when I was in the mob that was not an ION offence (may have changed), but it would be interesting what qualifications the cop had to make that judgement. if he had have written the offence specifically for no red reflector, then that may be ok, but I'm not sure that is a requirement for a vehicle being operated during the day anyway.

[Skyryder]

When you have your day in Court suggest you stick to point...no finger pointing a cop...all you have to do is show it was readable...nothing less.

"Less is More"

I concur. Don't use the court as a personal crusade. Keep that for the complaints 'people.' Remember the police are your servants 'you' are not theirs


Skyryder.

[YellowDog]

Before this goes too far, I am assuming that said number plate has regulation sized letters and is made of the correct materials?

[Biggles08]

Before this goes too far, I am assuming that said number plate has regulation sized letters and is made of the correct materials?
Its the original plate...so yes.

I'll say it again, The only reason I believe i got the ticket(s) was because he was annoyed that I wasn't speeding as he believed that I must have got him with my radar detector...now the facts are:
a)I was riding at 105kph immediately prior to my radar detector picking him up
b)I was never considering breaking the speed limit (especially there, as it was exactly where another mate of mine lost their license)
c)My riding buddy was speeding and lost his license

So, there were two cops, one got my mate and the other one was pissed because he couldn't do me for speeding...BECAUSE I WASN'T...so he pulled me over anyway. He also said...and I quote "where is your registration and wof cert" and i explained that they were attached to the rear of my # plate and he said "Thats no good, you should be able to see them WITHOUT BENDING OVER!?!?!"

I didn't reply to that...just thought to myself what a cock!

[Pixie]

The requirement for a reflector stems from the simple fact that your plate can fall off. Several recent examples of this confirm this can happen.
Not having a reflector is a fairly petty thing, but getting run up the arse at night, could be worse.

They can fall off as well.
BULLSHIT -Where do you get this stuff?

The requirement for a reflector has nothing to do with plates falling off.
It's to aid visibility when the lights are off at night as in when the vehicle is parked.
There was a time when plates were not reflective.
I thing Biggles might find that the tail light lens may be reflective

[Pixie]

and he said "Thats no good, you should be able to see them WITHOUT BENDING OVER!?!?!"

I didn't reply to that...just thought to myself what a cock!

He's a total wanker.Mention that comment in court.There is no provision in the statute for the cop's comfort.

He probably wants to save his bending over for when he gets home at night

[YellowDog]

He's a total wanker.Mention that comment in court.There is no provision in the statute for the cop's comfort.

He probably wants to save his bending over for when he gats home at night
LOL - I though as most of the cops you see are a bit large around their middle (from sitting on their arses all day) - he couldn't bend over (except for under special off duty situations).

[YellowDog]

Its the original plate...so yes.

I'll say it again, The only reason I believe i got the ticket(s) was because he was annoyed that I wasn't speeding as he believed that I must have got him with my radar detector...now the facts are:
a)I was riding at 105kph immediately prior to my radar detector picking him up
b)I was never considering breaking the speed limit (especially there, as it was exactly where another mate of mine lost their license)
c)My riding buddy was speeding and lost his license

So, there were two cops, one got my mate and the other one was pissed because he couldn't do me for speeding...BECAUSE I WASN'T...so he pulled me over anyway. He also said...and I quote "where is your registration and wof cert" and i explained that they were attached to the rear of my # plate and he said "Thats no good, you should be able to see them WITHOUT BENDING OVER!?!?!"

I didn't reply to that...just thought to myself what a cock!
Biggles mate, I am always afraid that in such situations you get 'talked up' in to taling expensive and destined to fail action.

However it does sound like a good case. The cop has to decide on the offence he is going to do you for at the time of stopping you. I think he has cocked-up. The reflector issue is irrelevant as he has not booked you for it.

Would be great to hear how you get on.

Good luck.

[Biggles08]

heres some pictures taken about a month before i got the ticket...they were taken from a vehicle following me on the dirt road just before you get to Cape Reinga...this is exactly the view the cop has of me while I'm riding!

[Swoop]

he said "Thats no good, you should be able to see them WITHOUT BENDING OVER!?!?!"
Perhaps the :Police:man would like to provide the written documentation of where this is required "by law" to the court?

Pixie might have a solution for the reflector. Go and take a photo of your bike at night. See how much the lenses act as a reflector.
If they do just that, you have complied with the regulations and the nice :Police:man will have issued a ticket incorrectly.

[Conquiztador]

In the days when I used to build my choppers and have them all WOF it was considered part of life to get tickets, pay them and have to get new WOF. A little like farting after eating a can of beans.

Good on you Biggles for doing what you do. And I recon you are right. Sadly nothing will change. But it will make you feel better. It will cost you. And next time when he gets you he will come up with something better. His mates will have told him what to do...

Good luck to you!!

[bugjuice]

k, i'll chuck in my 2¢, since I've got the same bike, and a 'non-stock' setup too.

I've had my bike (pictured, old picture but still the same now) in this state since around December 04, and it's ALWAYS passed a WoF, and so far (touches his wood), never had a ticket about it. I've been pulled over on 'I think you were speeding' queries a few times, and two actual 'you were speeding, here's a ticket' queries, and never, not once, has my plate or exhaust (I have a Muzzy on there now) or set up been questioned.

A lil grey area about the reflector tho; for one, I've been told a few times by various testing officers, that the reflector is to aid visibility at night, when said vehicle is parked on the road. The tail light does reflect - with a flash from a camera. However, it doesn't reflect with car headlights very well. This has come into question a couple of times when I've had my WoF done, and I've mentioned that the tail light does reflect back car headlights, and they've been satisfied with it. I also don't have a 'white lamp' illuminating the plate either, but I've explained that the lighting is hard-wired and can't be switched off while the bike is running, and again, not even a raised eyebrow. Subsequently, the only thing I've ever had written on my WoF sheet, is that the tyres are 'running out of tread on the sides' and I'm to be careful.. okie dokie. I also have my WoF and rego sticker behind the plate too. Something that has been checked when I've been pulled over (and those random spot checks), and never ticketed for, where as Quasi got a ticket by a parking warden when he had his like mine on his 03 when he had it. Guess I could just be lucky, or everyone likes orange..

tbh, I've always thought having the plate there would always draw attention, thus I never moved mine there. Yes, it's legible, and clearly visible when following you, I know this for fact. But it's just a doughnut on a hook to me. Fight it for sure, it's just this might not be the last time you have grief over it.

[Gaz]

I'm really annoyed as I was soooo considerate of making sure it was easily visible without any intention of trying to hide it...I thought I had achieved that. I believe I got a ticket because I have a radar detector...I wasn't speeding and he presumed I had heard them via my RD and he was annoyed at that so he went over my bike looking for things...he also gave me a ticket for no rear facing reflector ($150) . I was very humble and polite too....until he started writing up the tickets then I told him what I thought about the whole situation!

WTF. the tail-light is ON full time. and it's way brighter than the reflector could ever be. I've done something similar - cause the factory setup is nasty. - my number plate is under the tail-light, angled the other way (not to hide it to look better) number-plate light? do you have one - did you get ticketed?

[Biggles08]

k, i'll chuck in my 2¢, since I've got the same bike, and a 'non-stock' setup too.

I've had my bike (pictured, old picture but still the same now) in this state since around December 04, and it's ALWAYS passed a WoF, and so far (touches his wood), never had a ticket about it. I've been pulled over on 'I think you were speeding' queries a few times, and two actual 'you were speeding, here's a ticket' queries, and never, not once, has my plate or exhaust (I have a Muzzy on there now) or set up been questioned.

A lil grey area about the reflector tho; for one, I've been told a few times by various testing officers, that the reflector is to aid visibility at night, when said vehicle is parked on the road. The tail light does reflect - with a flash from a camera. However, it doesn't reflect with car headlights very well. This has come into question a couple of times when I've had my WoF done, and I've mentioned that the tail light does reflect back car headlights, and they've been satisfied with it. I also don't have a 'white lamp' illuminating the plate either, but I've explained that the lighting is hard-wired and can't be switched off while the bike is running, and again, not even a raised eyebrow. Subsequently, the only thing I've ever had written on my WoF sheet, is that the tyres are 'running out of tread on the sides' and I'm to be careful.. okie dokie. I also have my WoF and rego sticker behind the plate too. Something that has been checked when I've been pulled over (and those random spot checks), and never ticketed for, where as Quasi got a ticket by a parking warden when he had his like mine on his 03 when he had it. Guess I could just be lucky, or everyone likes orange..

tbh, I've always thought having the plate there would always draw attention, thus I never moved mine there. Yes, it's legible, and clearly visible when following you, I know this for fact. But it's just a doughnut on a hook to me. Fight it for sure, it's just this might not be the last time you have grief over it.

Heres the real version of your bike :2thumbsup:buggerd:

[BIGBOSSMAN]

One rear reflector. This luminescent beauty was actually part of a pack of 2, sadly I have had to split the pair in order to protect myself financially from overeager 'by the book' Traffic Police.

Price is firm at $149.00.

Ask me about my plate relocation service - wherever you want it for $200.00

[bugjuice]

Heres the real version of your bike :2thumbsup:buggerd:
har fuckin har har.
guess you're green with envy?

[sAsLEX]

Correct. However the chances of both falling off at the same time, are remote.

My reflectors have always been mounted off the plate.........


My recent encounter with the speeding tax enforcement officer showed that you can get away with allot worse...... he mentioned the WOF covering the last letter a little bit but then said he knows it is hard to find places to put them on bikes, I would put it behind the plate but then that isn't allowed according to your officer.

[Swoop]

Numberplate pivot "thingy's".

I have seen these on a couple of bikes and need to know where you can buy them.

Not the complete mount device. These are like 40mm long with a thread on both ends and pivot in the middle.

Where can you get them???

[roy.nz]

Dont worry mate i was done for a similar thing,rego sticker like touching the top corner of the number,i tried to fight it by sent a letter to the cops but where having none of it and basically said pay the fine so i coughed up the cash all pissed off.Some of the cops out there are okay the rest are just a bunch of idle pricks making up there quato in any way they can.

[roy.nz]

Where do you get a radar dectector for a bike???????

[civil]

Where do you get a radar dectector for a bike???????


Radar Direct in Mt Wellington, Auckland

http://www.radardirect.co.nz/new/frameset/

[Biggles08]

har fuckin har har.
guess you're green with envy?

Not me...my bike is though...lol. Ride this W/e? We should head north...see my friends.
Oh and BTW...got a WOF today...2 days after the ticket...apparently my bike is up to WOF standard. Got a reflector sticky thingi on the piece thats holding my LED's...sweet.

[bugjuice]

Not me...my bike is though...lol. Ride this W/e? We should head north...see my friends.
fuck yeah, lets go baiting.. I'll bring the doughnuts, you bring the coffee..

[Ixion]

My reflectors have always been mounted off the plate.........


My recent encounter with the speeding tax enforcement officer showed that you can get away with allot worse...... he mentioned the WOF covering the last letter a little bit but then said he knows it is hard to find places to put them on bikes, I would put it behind the plate but then that isn't allowed according to your officer.

He is without legal authority for this statement .

[slopster]

I'm really annoyed as I was soooo considerate of making sure it was easily visible without any intention of trying to hide it...I thought I had achieved that. I believe I got a ticket because I have a radar detector...I wasn't speeding and he presumed I had heard them via my RD and he was annoyed at that so he went over my bike looking for things...he also gave me a ticket for no rear facing reflector ($150) . I was very humble and polite too....until he started writing up the tickets then I told him what I thought about the whole situation!

As far as the reflecter goes I'd write in and say that the tail light has reflective coating and doubles as a reflector. Or words to that effect. Doesn't have to be true just has to sound believable. It might not work but you can only try.

[Renegade]

its a shame one cop is a complete cock yet every cop gets tarred with the same brush

[sAsLEX]

its a shame one cop is a complete cock yet every cop gets tarred with the same brush

I think most on here have a general hatred towards the Yellow and unmarked cars but realise the Orange cars do a hell of a job that we would be lost without......

[muzz]

its a shame one cop is a complete cock yet every cop gets tarred with the same brush

Could say the same about bikers too, some cocks and some good coonks.

Not defending the police in any way here, they are the biggest gang with the most resorces.

[Biggles08]

its a shame one cop is a complete cock yet every cop gets tarred with the same brush
I think you will find that it is a lot more than just one! I know I have met a few idiots in the force...there is a strong need for a backlash against these bastards that hide like cowards behind there versions of law!

[Owl]

I think you will find that it is a lot more than just one! I know I have met a few idiots in the force...there is a strong need for a backlash against these bastards that hide like cowards behind there versions of law!

I feel for you dude! I made my own tail tidy which makes mine a little harder to read than yours as it's bent upwards.
You should check out reflector requirements to, as I'm pretty sure you need an "E3" mark on the reflector. You can't just stick anything on. Good luck with your fight!

[jimmy 2006]

he mentioned mine too...said it was too loud. thats a safety hazard too isn't it. He must love his life. Asked me what my radar detector was for...I told him "what do you think?" ...this was all after he had already given me a ticket...I had no reason to be polite to him then...I had figured out he was a self righteous, stuck up, left wing, cock sucking, wanker by that stage. I'm looking forward to seeing his embarrassed face when the judge throws this one out of court! Good to see the police are out there keeping us safe from people like me riding a bike that is not up to WOF standard huh!?


you recovered from that crash yet? your with linda right????

[kiwi cowboy]

WTF!! The whole number plate is one giant reflector. I'll bet that law hasn't been updated since the switch to black on white plates. Good luck with your appeal bro

thats right and i had that conversation with a testing fella giving my trailer a warrent after i just screwed it on the tailgate away from any lights.His reply to my question was its visable in daylight and at night headlights and streetlights iluminate it so not a prob.Had 3 more warrent from different places since without problems.
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT:Pokey:

[BIGBOSSMAN]

you recovered from that crash yet? your with linda right????

Yes, he's with Linda. Dunno what he sees in her, she's right awful looking. Should have picked a better looking bird I think...:whistle:

[BIGBOSSMAN]

Fuck off...I'm not drilling my nice under tail...besides theres nothing fucking wrong with it!

I hear you've just had your undertail redrilled - bit of a habit isn't it

[Biggles08]

Yes, he's with Linda. Dunno what he sees in her, she's right awful looking. Should have picked a better looking bird I think...:whistle:

yeah...i was thinking that too...do you want to take her off my hands for me?:drool:

[Max Preload]

Not true. I took my bike in for a warrant the other day. I was worried that he might fail me for my number plate so I asked him upfront if he'd fail me for it. He said that number plates have nothing to do with the WOF process. Now I don't know if that is just his opinion or the rule. My assessment is he's a good cunt:woohoo:

He is correct. Only illumination of the plate is covered by the VIRM, not mounting.

[Max Preload]

Nope...its not a safety concern...its a licensing issue, not a WOF issue.

Hard to complete the WoF without the plate though.


WTF!! The whole number plate is one giant reflector. I'll bet that law hasn't been updated since the switch to black on white plates. Good luck with your appeal bro

The reflected light must be red.

[Max Preload]

When you have your day in Court suggest you stick to point...no finger pointing a cop...all you have to do is show it was readable...nothing less.

"Less is More"

Exactly - no need to grandstand in front of the JP's. You can always give the prick shit as you leave with him anyway - even if you lose (but I can't see that happening, I can't even see it going to court myself) make sure you mention at least it kept you off the road for the morning while my mates went for a ride up SH16 unhindered. I've yet to encounter this coont but I'm actually looking forward to it. Anyone got a picture of him? Poor ginger coont.

[shafty]

WTF!! The whole number plate is one giant reflector. I'll bet that law hasn't been updated since the switch to black on white plates. Good luck with your appeal bro

"I suppose it would be easy to introduce a reflector into the tail light and take a night photo of it."

- these guys are on the nail! A night photo will show up REAL good for the Judge

[Patrick]

...He got community service........why?.......cos he drunk with his cop mates every Friday night.

Hello...??? The judge sentenced him, not the cop.


I would argue that as long as it could be seen from an angle of 45 degrees either side (the same as rearward-facing red lights), and from a vehicle travelling at the legal travelling distance behind, then it would be ok.

Go and take some photos of some trucks and trailers and present a number of different angles on number plate placement.

The other ticket, for not up to WOF standard - when I was in the mob that was not an ION offence (may have changed), but it would be interesting what qualifications the cop had to make that judgement. if he had have written the offence specifically for no red reflector, then that may be ok, but I'm not sure that is a requirement for a vehicle being operated during the day anyway.

Don't think it needs to be 45 degrees, just needs to be visible frm the rear.

Not up to WOF standard did go, but it is back again... Don't need too many qualifications for worn tyres, broken lights, missing wheel nuts, most are plainly obvious problems...

Could be right about the daytime thing... why have reflectors in the daytime?


He also said...and I quote "where is your registration and wof cert" and i explained that they were attached to the rear of my # plate and he said "Thats no good, you should be able to see them WITHOUT BENDING OVER!?!?!"

I didn't reply to that...just thought to myself what a cock!

If it gets to court, point out this quote to the judge. He is being a cock.


The cop has to decide on the offence he is going to do you for at the time of stopping you. I think he has cocked-up. The reflector issue is irrelevant as he has not booked you for it.

Would be great to hear how you get on.

Good luck.

Bollocks. Doesn't have to decide anything. Can be stopped for a licence check, WOF check, alcohol check just to name a few.

The reflector issue is the supposed "not up to WOF standard" issue... He had a current WOF, now has a new one because of the ticket, and nothing changed, which means it was up to WOF standard after all in the first place???


I can't even see it going to court myself....


make sure you mention at least it kept you off the road for the morning while my mates went for a ride up SH16 unhindered. I've yet to encounter this coont but I'm actually looking forward to it. Anyone got a picture of him? Poor ginger coont.

Can't see it getting there either from the photos supplied, it is clearly visible. Careful about baiting him though, he isn't the only cop out there patrolling... It may only encourage him to go harder with an anti bike sentiment....

[Morcs]

so what has a number plate got to do with safety?

The only purpose of a number plate is to give the cops a cheating chance if they dont actually catch you there and then.

[Patrick]

so what has a number plate got to do with safety?

The only purpose of a number plate is to give the cops a cheating chance if they dont actually catch you there and then.

If it is involved in a hit and run, then there is an avenue to find the drunken kiddie killer perhaps... or the rapist fleeing the scene of a crime? :Pokey:

These examples are a little over the top, but hey, plenty of reasons for them to be had... Or to make sure you paid your ACC levy and tax...

[fLaThEaD FreD]

Hello...??? The judge sentenced him, not the cop.



Don't think it needs to be 45 degrees, just needs to be visible frm the rear.

Not up to WOF standard did go, but it is back again... Don't need too many qualifications for worn tyres, broken lights, missing wheel nuts, most are plainly obvious problems...

Could be right about the daytime thing... why have reflectors in the daytime?



If it gets to court, point out this quote to the judge. He is being a cock.



Bollocks. Doesn't have to decide anything. Can be stopped for a licence check, WOF check, alcohol check just to name a few.

The reflector issue is the supposed "not up to WOF standard" issue... He had a current WOF, now has a new one because of the ticket, and nothing changed, which means it was up to WOF standard after all in the first place???



Can't see it getting there either from the photos supplied, it is clearly visible. Careful about baiting him though, he isn't the only cop out there patrolling... It may only encourage him to go harder with an anti bike sentiment....

Whateva !........Bunch of puppets all in the old boyz club.

[vagrant]

http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/certifiers/virm-in-service/index.html#motorcycles

Regs for motorcycles.
They used to have minimum dimensions for the reflector, but they don't state those now, just an effectiveness test (visible from 100m)
My VFR just had a piece of reflective tape on the fairing under the tail light.

From my experience, the Judiciary love "visual" evidence, so if you have photos and neat dimensioned drawings to support your case, your already half way there. The pics from your trip up north are perfect for this.

[Subike]

Hard to complete the WoF without the plate though..



any vehicle can pass a W.O.F without a numberplate, all it needs it the light to be working where the plate is to be mounted, and they write the Chassis number on the W.O.F. sticker as means of Identification.
You need a W.O.F on a vehicle before you can Register it.
So if it is brand new, ..........
Think about it.
The plate is only the Idetification that is able to be read by the public and enforcement agencies to presonify the car it is attached to.
Location od said plates is open to interpretation.(sp?)

[AllanB]

No biggie - but then I'm into bikes - here's what one could do if they were so inclined when taking court photos.

Remount the plate a bit higher in the same position with less of an angle - there appears to be plenty of room higher up. It will be 'more visible' and should look just as good. Then take ones photos for court..........

Actually get someone to follow in a car and do a video - that's from eye height in a real world situation. Just don't pop any monos, lane split etc when being on video for court.

I'm surprised he was not more interested in your rear turn signals, are those e-marked?

Re reflectors - yep required - if you do not want to mount them on the undertail get two small ones and mount on the rear of each rear foot peg. with a little care and time you could recess them into the rubbers for a tidy look.

[Patrick]

No biggie - but then I'm into bikes - here's what one could do if they were so inclined when taking court photos.

Remount the plate a bit higher in the same position with less of an angle - there appears to be plenty of room higher up. It will be 'more visible' and should look just as good. Then take ones photos for court..........

Actually get someone to follow in a car and do a video - that's from eye height in a real world situation. Just don't pop any monos, lane split etc when being on video for court.

I'm surprised he was not more interested in your rear turn signals, are those e-marked?

Re reflectors - yep required - if you do not want to mount them on the undertail get two small ones and mount on the rear of each rear foot peg. with a little care and time you could recess them into the rubbers for a tidy look.

Only one problem with this call... didn't the cop take a photo at the time? Any subsequent alterations will be noticable.

[.produKt]

I didn't know they let the blind into the police force. I know NZpolice is a equal opportunity employer and all, but sheesh!


lol

[digitalmacdonald]

You have my support. Got a warning for a similar placement on my 05 636. Maybe you could share the outcome of the case and any arguments you used?

BTW, did you enjoy lunch today?

[avgas]

The issue i think the cops have with your plate is that there is stuff on it.
This is illegal and you should remove it.
6's can look like 8's etc.
Just clean the plate up and they wont have a case as the actual mounting of the plate is fine.

[BIGBOSSMAN]

The issue i think the cops have with your plate is that there is stuff on it.
This is illegal and you should remove it.
6's can look like 8's etc.
Just clean the plate up and they wont have a case as the actual mounting of the plate is fine.

Please elaborate? I only see numbers and letters...

[skidMark]

Set up is illegal, must be clearly visable from behind, i would have ticketed ya too.

[BIGBOSSMAN]

Set up is illegal, must be clearly visable from behind, i would have ticketed ya too.

Are you blind muthafucka? What the fuck, you're not a licensed rider so wtf do you know anyway...

[Biggles08]

Set up is illegal, must be clearly visable from behind, i would have ticketed ya too.

Is your wee brain incapable of analyzing and determining all the light stuff that your eyes are trying to tell you is a numberplate....good on you Skidmark:stupid:

[skidMark]

Are you blind muthafucka? What the fuck, you're not a licensed rider so wtf do you know anyway...


I can see it, just not clearly, law states it must be clearly visable from the rear, tucking it under like that is just being sneaky, hes put it there so he wouldn't get pinger as easily, it's the cops job to catch people like this, try and be sneaky.... your gunna end up with a fine.

It's how it is.

[Biggles08]

The issue i think the cops have with your plate is that there is stuff on it.
This is illegal and you should remove it.
6's can look like 8's etc.
Just clean the plate up and they wont have a case as the actual mounting of the plate is fine.

Actually the problem he had was where it was mounted...never had any issues with 'stuff on it' as you put it. He said the plate was not 'easily distinguishable' where it is mounted - which it clearly is!

[BIGBOSSMAN]

I can see it, just not clearly, law states it must be clearly visable from the rear, tucking it under like that is just being sneaky, hes put it there so he wouldn't get pinger as easily, it's the cops job to catch people like this, try and be sneaky.... your gunna end up with a fine.

It's how it is.

Well, it's as clear as a big fucking pair of Elephants balls. Stop shooting jism into your eyes when you tug, and you'll also be able to see it clearly. Sheesh...

[Biggles08]

I can see it, just not clearly, law states it must be clearly visable from the rear, tucking it under like that is just being sneaky, hes put it there so he wouldn't get pinger as easily, it's the cops job to catch people like this, try and be sneaky.... your gunna end up with a fine.

It's how it is.

Have you read the whole thread 'Skidmark on society's arse?' I stated right at the start that the only reason for mounting it there was to tidy up the rear end of the bike...in fact i went out of my way to make it "Easily" visible from many angles at the rear. I was not trying to be 'sneaky' at all.

[skidMark]

Have you read the whole thread 'Skidmark on society's arse?' I stated right at the start that the only reason for mounting it there was to tidy up the rear end of the bike...in fact i went out of my way to make it "Easily" visible from many angles at the rear. I was not trying to be 'sneaky' at all.


ya huh, well its not as easily visable as if right up by the tail light...

Have you got a number plate light for it.

stop whining.

it's only 200 bucks.

[Biggles08]

ya huh, well its not as easily visable as if right up by the tail light...

Have you got a number plate light for it.

stop whining.

it's only 200 bucks.

Soooooooo....you have read the whole thread yet you ask me if it has a numberplate light.....knobskin:niceone:. Read it again and BTW if you want to throw away $200 throw it my way.

[Biggles08]

You have my support. Got a warning for a similar placement on my 05 636. Maybe you could share the outcome of the case and any arguments you used?

BTW, did you enjoy lunch today?

lol...why yes I did fellow illegal numberplate mounter!

[skidMark]

Soooooooo....you have read the whole thread yet you ask me if it has a numberplate light.....knobskin:niceone:. Read it again and BTW if you want to throw away $200 throw it my way.


Why would i bother wasting bandwidth trawling through page after page of bullshit?

Nah i already have approx $3600 paying off already at $45pw so i'm good eh.

[BIGBOSSMAN]

ya huh, well its not as easily visable as if right up by the tail light...

Have you got a number plate light for it.

stop whining.

it's only 200 bucks.

It's perfectly visible, unless you're the Skidmark on Stevie Wonder's faded underpants.
I can see it, Ray fucking Charles can see it and probably so can the Astronauts on the International fucking Space Station.
There is no issue concerning visibility here whatsoever.
The issue is one of revenue gathering by our so-called 'Defenders of the Public Good'.
What this cop is doing in fact is polarising law-abiding citizens against the Police force instead of doing their prime directive - protecting the public from scumbags. :Oi:

[Biggles08]

Why would i bother wasting bandwidth trawling through page after page of bullshit?

So why did you lie and say you have? oh....I almost forgot...knobskin!

[Patrick]

Show it to the judge, asell as the photos of course... sorted...

Then ask the judge, "I don't know why I was enven charged in the first place."

And then ask him/her for costs...

[Boob Johnson]

Ask the judge, "I don't know why I was even charged in the first place."

And then ask him/her for costs...
Damn straight. The only two things in this thread that are BS is your $200 fine & Squid Marks typically pathetic way off the mark comments, pull ya farkin head in Sparky :Pokey:

[skidMark]

Damn straight. The only two things in this thread that are BS is your $200 fine & Squid Marks typically pathetic way off the mark comments, pull ya farkin head in Sparky :Pokey:


He knew he was breaking the law by putting it there, it is sneaky it is not fully visab le, he broke the law...he pays the fine....

when i break the law i pay the fine, why should he be any different?

[Boob Johnson]

He knew he was breaking the law by putting it there, it is sneaky it is not fully visible, he broke the law...he pays the fine
And what law would that be Sparky?

It IS clearly visible, the photo doesn't lie. Near on 92% of people who responded agree including some policeman present, yet you don't, why doesn't that surprise me?


When I break the law I pay the fine, why should he be any different?
No you don't, you drip feed them at $45 a week with TAX PAYERS money you dole bludging no hoper! Get a farking job, you have NO excuse :spanking:

[avgas]

It may not be obvious - but is the plate partially covered when you sit on the bike?

[Biggles08]

It may not be obvious - but is the plate partially covered when you sit on the bike?

No....see the pictures of me riding in front of a car while on a trip up north before I ever got a ticket...easily seen.

Skidmark, Fuck off out of my thread...you have had nothing worthwhile to say so fuck off! You don't read anyones response to your dribble and continually make shit up like 'he deliberately broke the law' which I have already explained clearly I didn't. You don't contribute anything worthwhile so you have no use here. piss off... and I'll tell you that to you face next time I see you.

[jimmy 2006]

this is the shit he posts everywhere, seems to me that all he cares about is how proud he is of purposely breaking the law himself.......... :Pokey:
42 times!!! lock this man up and throw away the key!



16th April 2008, 17:22
skidMark
Hey man ive only been pulled overr 42 times since mid 05...

Put it on my tab...

Churr.

[scumdog]

What this cop is doing in fact is polarising law-abiding citizens against the Police force instead of doing their prime directive - protecting the public from scumbags. :Oi:


Polarising against ONE cop by logical thought - unless they're like a lot of the KB Lynch Club and tar a whole organisation by the actions of an individual..

Been a while since there's been an active troll....:rolleyes:

[McJim]

Polarising against ONE cop by logical thought - unless they're like a lot of the KB Lynch Club and tar a whole organisation by the actions of an individual..

Been a while since there's been an active troll....:rolleyes:

Faaaack! I'm glad the actions of one copper aren't indicative of the force as a whole otherwise we'd be dodging naked cops running through the streets every night! :Pokey:

[sunhuntin]

clearly visible plate.

squiddys just pissed that this thread has more interest than any of his. besides, i think hes trying to get his post count up so he gets the pretty pink squares.

[Patrick]

this is the shit he posts everywhere, seems to me that all he cares about is how proud he is of purposely breaking the law himself.......... :Pokey:
42 times!!! lock this man up and throw away the key!



16th April 2008, 17:22
skidMark
Hey man ive only been pulled overr 42 times since mid 05...

Put it on my tab...

Churr.

And then the day will come when the fines enforcers arrive and take whatever they want..... A motorbike could be high on the hit list


Been a while since there's been an active troll....:rolleyes:

And he's getting lotsa bites....

[peasea]

Tell me, have I got super human eyes cause I can read my number plate fine...Apparently the cop who gave me a ticket for $200 today couldn't read it....what do you think...can you see it too?

FFS!?


Fight it dude, the copper's blind. They all are, they ignored their mother's warnings. (Power-trippers.)

[jimmy 2006]

And then the day will come when the fines enforcers arrive and take whatever they want..... A motorbike could be high on the hit list
.

they can do that??

[Boob Johnson]

they can do that??
Damn straight! Not that it really matters to Sparky, he hasn't got a bike lol.

Bits of a bike maybe but not a bike, nor a job (or a fucking hope)


All they will get is a collection of bike mags & a moist towel :laugh:



ps: can't believe you didn't take that job offer down south Sparky :Pokey:

[jimmy 2006]

that's fantastic, so how are people racking up such big fines then? whats the limit before they come and repo your stuff? it should be set real low like $1500, if it is left outstanding for 2 mths you loose your stuff.

might deal with people like Skidmark.

[Boob Johnson]

that's fantastic, so how are people racking up such big fines then? whats the limit before they come and repo your stuff? it should be set real low like $1500, if it is left outstanding for 2 mths you loose your stuff.

might deal with people like Skidmark.
Yeah but clowns like him own nothing, nothing with any real value anyway.

[Swoop]

Regarding numberplates. I have taken an interest at boi-ricer's plate mounting activity of late. It is becomming more common to see a plate screwed to the right hand front of the front bumper. Even those without an intercooler are doing this. Handy for speed cameras I guess.
The rear of the ricer can have some interesting interpretations. One plate was mounted at about a 30 degree angle (not the bottom of the plate pulled out as we might expect, but more like "remove right hand bolt - lift right hand side of plate upwards-rebolt plate").


Skidmark, Fuck off out of my thread...you have had nothing worthwhile to say so fuck off! You don't read anyones response to your dribble and continually make shit up like 'he deliberately broke the law' which I have already explained clearly I didn't. You don't contribute anything worthwhile so you have no use here. piss off... and I'll tell you that to you face next time I see you.
Put him on ignore. The place is so much nicer without his pathetic whining.
It would be nice if people wouldn't quote him... It ruins other peoples posts.

[scumdog]

.
The rear of the ricer can have some interesting interpretations. One plate was mounted at about a 30 degree angle (not the bottom of the plate pulled out as we might expect, but more like "remove right hand bolt - lift right hand side of plate upwards-rebolt plate").


Even in their little Jappa utes they're mounting the number plate in a recess in the tail-door at a funny angle to one side - I guess it's a fad but a dorky looking one - and like all fads it will 'date' the car in a year or two.

("Like ewww man, that is sooo '08 dude")

[jimmy 2006]

have you seen the price that said shit box utes sell for! shit 300,000km and only $8,000........................

[Rogue]

Mr Plod is blind :spanking:
Did he get his seeing eye dog to fill out the ticket ?
:apint:

[sefer]

Regarding numberplates. I have taken an interest at boi-ricer's plate mounting activity of late. It is becomming more common to see a plate screwed to the right hand front of the front bumper. Even those without an intercooler are doing this. Handy for speed cameras I guess.

It's legal though, and is actually the standard mounting for some cars. My MX5 is the same, but on the left (hmmm...moving it to the right might actually just work... ;) )

[Cr1MiNaL]

Fuck Da Police:second::nya::blip:

[jaykay]

Here's what will happen of the OP writes in.

The Police Infringement Bureau will "carefully consider" the letter but say the fine still has to be paid.

OP will have to request a hearing.

First hearing will be to enter a plea - OP doesn't have to attend.

Police have to get ALL evidence to defendant at least a week before hearing. At this point the Police may actually look at what's going on and drop the case.

If not you build your defence on material supplied - done reasonably and you will probably win.

Ask for costs, I doubt you will get any.

Result, the OP has to spend considerable time and effort to defend a $200 ticket.

The cheapest and easiest thing to do is pay the ticket - on the other hand you can have some immense fun and try to get the police into court - just realise this will take up a lot of time and may cost more than $200 - it depnds how you value your time.

Remember that time is your best friend - before the court hearing the police have to prepare the officers statement - his memory won't be that good in perhaps a year's time. Unless you have already written in, don't until a couple of days before the expiry of the Reminder Notice - and write down your version of events and keep it safe - it could be very useful.

[Biggles08]

Here's what will happen of the OP writes in.

The Police Infringement Bureau will "carefully consider" the letter but say the fine still has to be paid.

OP will have to request a hearing.

First hearing will be to enter a plea - OP doesn't have to attend.

Police have to get ALL evidence to defendant at least a week before hearing. At this point the Police may actually look at what's going on and drop the case.

If not you build your defence on material supplied - done reasonably and you will probably win.

Ask for costs, I doubt you will get any.

Result, the OP has to spend considerable time and effort to defend a $200 ticket.

The cheapest and easiest thing to do is pay the ticket - on the other hand you can have some immense fun and try to get the police into court - just realise this will take up a lot of time and may cost more than $200 - it depnds how you value your time.

Remember that time is your best friend - before the court hearing the police have to prepare the officers statement - his memory won't be that good in perhaps a year's time. Unless you have already written in, don't until a couple of days before the expiry of the Reminder Notice - and write down your version of events and keep it safe - it could be very useful.


Hey bud.

Good info there mate :-) On ya!

I have just received the reminder notices
this week. I will write a letter for both fines along the lines of "I dispute the alleged offenses and wish a court hearing." Will see if they have learnt how to use their eyes in the meantime and decide to drop it...I have a feeling they won't though...As far as how much it will cost I don't care...its the whole ridiculous situation that demands some justice!

[jaykay]

Don't be too hasty, you have some time yet before you need to reply.

Personally I would suggest you write something like "Without a copy of the ticket to determine the validity of the allegation a hearing is requested". Keep a copy. Send one by post a couple of days before the due date - and fax a copy through the evening of the due date.

If you get a hearing that's fine. I suspect you will get a copy of the ticket and another Reminder Notice - which will give you another 28 days. It all gives the policeman concerned more time to forget details.

If you do get another Reminder Notice write something like "The copy of the ticket is insufficient to determine the validity of the allegation, without further information a hearing is requested".

Friend of mine got a ticket (speeding) last November - I told him it probably wouldn't be sorted before June/July - looks like it's going to be even later.

[Cr1MiNaL]

Fight it Biggles08. I fought and when the court heard my plea they didn't want to hear any more. I didn't even say a word and was in there for a maximum of 4 minutes. They will just throw it out don't ya worry.

[rwh]

Can the police be charged with wasting their own time?

Richard

[Patrick]

Hey bud.

Good info there mate :-) On ya!

I have just received the reminder notices
this week. I will write a letter for both fines along the lines of "I dispute the alleged offenses and wish a court hearing." Will see if they have learnt how to use their eyes in the meantime and decide to drop it...I have a feeling they won't though...As far as how much it will cost I don't care...its the whole ridiculous situation that demands some justice!

Send in ya photos when disputing it. See if they decide to cancel the ticket on the spot.


.... It all gives the policeman concerned more time to forget details.

He took a photo at the time, wrote notes on the rear of the officers copy of the ticket... he own't forget it...


Can the police be charged with wasting their own time?

Richard


yes... it means there will be more quota to obtain next week.... no warnings:spanking:

[Biggles08]

Send in ya photos when disputing it. See if they decide to cancel the ticket on the spot.


Don't forget to vote in the poll Patrick...I'm interested in whether your eyes are any better than this guy who gave me a ticket for 'numberplate not easily distinguishable.';)

[Patrick]

Thought I had... my bad... done! ("can't read it" was the right option, ay?)

[Biggles08]

Thought I had... my bad... done! ("can't read it" was the right option, ay?)

only if you can't see it through those blue and red glasses...hehehehe:wari:

[Patrick]

Off duty... normal vision has returned... Now... where is my eyepatch for work tomorrow?

[Swoop]

Now... where is my eyepatch for work tomorrow?
Any Christchurch resident will have one, and possibly a spare!<_<

[Patrick]

Any Christchurch resident will have one, and possibly a spare!<_<

Christchurch??? Go North Harbour!!!!! (At least in the good ole days....)

[Biggles08]

Well, I've sent my letter into the cops stating that I disputed the alledged offences and wished to have a court hearing set...will see what happens from here. Hopefully common logic and sense will all of a sudden overcome the police force and they will decide to drop the proceedings - but I do believe I give them too much credit by hoping for such things...will keep ya'll posted.
Biggles08

[Patrick]

When ya wrote in, did ya send in ya photos too? If so, they might just waive it.

Without them, you will get your wish to go to court, in your own time... said copper is paid to go.... Are you?

[BIGBOSSMAN]

Well, I've sent my letter into the cops stating that I disputed the alledged offences and wished to have a court hearing set...will see what happens from here. Hopefully common logic and sense will all of a sudden overcome the police force and they will decide to drop the proceedings - but I do believe I give them too much credit by hoping for such things...will keep ya'll posted.
Biggles08

I hope they throw the book at ya, you're nothing but a skanking low-life criminal in my book...:bleh:

[Chrislost]

Well, I've sent my letter into the cops stating that I disputed the alledged offences and wished to have a court hearing set...will see what happens from here. Hopefully common logic and sense will all of a sudden overcome the police force and they will decide to drop the proceedings - but I do believe I give them too much credit by hoping for such things...will keep ya'll posted.
Biggles08

wasnt from that faggity ass ginger beared fuck was it?

got the same thing from him because i had a mounting bolt inside the black line on my plate.

i hope he gets whats going for him*sends bad vibes*

[puddy]

I hope they throw the book at ya, you're nothing but a skanking low-life criminal in my book...:bleh:

AGREED!:clap:

[Cr1MiNaL]

Let us know how ya get on M.

[Biggles08]

When ya wrote in, did ya send in ya photos too? If so, they might just waive it.

Without them, you will get your wish to go to court, in your own time... said copper is paid to go.... Are you?

Sent no photo's in with the letter as I do want it to go to court so I can make the little fucker squrim in his seat when the judge throws it out...then I'll have great satisfaction telling him he's a nazi oxygen thief that deserves the utmost in karma judgment!

Its a principle that needs to have its day in court for me to be satisfied that I'm not a criminal....FFS when I mounted the plate originally I spent ages making sure it was high enough so when I sit on the bike etc you could still see it...I've got a light on it....?!?!?! I'll save the photos for court!

[Patrick]

Sent no photo's in with the letter as I do want it to go to court so I can make the little fucker squrim in his seat when the judge throws it out...then I'll have great satisfaction telling him he's a nazi oxygen thief that deserves the utmost in karma judgment!

Its a principle that needs to have its day in court for me to be satisfied that I'm not a criminal....FFS when I mounted the plate originally I spent ages making sure it was high enough so when I sit on the bike etc you could still see it...I've got a light on it....?!?!?! I'll save the photos for court!

You've made the mistake thinking he is going to care... He might hunt motorbikes probably more vigorously too...

You're not a criminal, it was only a traffic ticket, not the crime of the century.

Just seemed like a waste of your time going to court at all, let alone when you can stop it dead now.... He is paid to be there. You won't be.

[Boob Johnson]

Its a principle that needs to have its day in court for me to be satisfied that I'm not a criminal....FFS when I mounted the plate originally I spent ages making sure it was high enough so when I sit on the bike etc you could still see it...I've got a light on it....?!?!?! I'll save the photos for court!
Pat makes sense but I can appreciate where you are coming from, that would piss me off also.

[Patrick]

Pat makes sense but I can appreciate where you are coming from, that would piss me off also.

Me too, but just seemed like a lot of time wasted and able to be avoided with a photo... that he already has....

[Boob Johnson]

Me too, but just seemed like a lot of time wasted and able to be avoided with a photo... that he already has....
Yeah tis a tough one but I guess if he has the time & the inclination to do it, why not

[Biggles08]

Me too, but just seemed like a lot of time wasted and able to be avoided with a photo... that he already has....

Better to keep my evidence to myself (well appart from on kiwibiker ...lol) and show it in court without doing them favors by showing my cards too early I reckon. Besides, they already have photos of my bike...the cop took some on the side of the road when he pulled me over.

As far as my time involved in my defense, it will be minimal and I believe it will give great satisfaction to shove one up 'the man' - I know I'm not a criminal but he is suggesting that I am...hes a cock for ticketing me for this in the first place and it will be absolute after a court throws it out and he sees my middle finger waving good bye to him....fucker!:angry2:

[scumdog]

As far as my time involved in my defense, it will be minimal and I believe it will give great satisfaction to shove one up 'the man' -

Most likely the cop will just shrug his shoulders and head off back to work, it's not like his boss is going to give him a black cross beside his name or something, I feel you're focus on shove one up 'the man' is eating you up, sure, get a 'win' but do it for yousefl, not to try and 'get one back'.

[TimeOut]

Me too, but just seemed like a lot of time wasted and able to be avoided with a photo... that he already has....

Agreed a lot of time wasted, but it all could've been saved if the cop had pulled his woolly head in from the start.:bash:

[Patrick]

Agreed a lot of time wasted, but it all could've been saved if the cop had pulled his woolly head in from the start.:bash:

True... but he didn't, and off to court he goes, in his own time....

Be at court by 10am, go through "roll call" for those that are there, deal with the locked up ones perhaps, morning tea time by then, then go alphabetical, or alphabetical in reverse, whatever... then lunch... for an hour and a quarter... then hear some more cases go through the motions, then find out its knock off time and it gets put off to another day, where you start it all over again.... just perhaps....

And all avoidable by showing the bureau a photo...

[Banesto John]

Better to keep my evidence to myself (well appart from on kiwibiker ...lol) and show it in court without doing them favors by showing my cards too early I reckon. Besides, they already have photos of my bike...the cop took some on the side of the road when he pulled me over.

As far as my time involved in my defense, it will be minimal and I believe it will give great satisfaction to shove one up 'the man' - I know I'm not a criminal but he is suggesting that I am...:angry2:

Ironically, the Official Information Act and Privacy Act say they have to show you the evidence they have against you, but there is no obligation for you to show them your photo. Go figure.

I'm not sure what happened at the roadside, there are two sides to every story, but you are not a criminal. Well you might be, but not for having an obscured licence plate.

You'll get personal satisfaction from venting at the cop on fixture day, but it won't make a blind bit of difference to him. Don't expect it to. Your call obviously, but I'd just kill the thing dead and move on. Maybe the IPCA (Independant Police Complaints Authority) is the place for you to get your satisfaction, but the court will only waste your time.

You're a grumpy man, possibly justifiably, but this is a mountain from a mole hill. Don't lose sight of the forest behind the tree you are looking at. The forest is quite nice to see.

[Cr1MiNaL]

Biggles is a fuckin criminal and a hoon, have you seen him ride?

[idleidolidyll]

You might want to check the law on number plate visibility before wasting your money.

Now I'm not saying this is a fact but it might be that number plates must be seen from certain angles just as indicators do (in law).

I can't remember the actual numbers but I think you have to be able to see indicators from angles 30 degrees to either side of the bike. Could be the same with plates.

That said, the underslung number plate setup makes a bike look great!

[Biggles08]

You might want to check the law on number plate visibility before wasting your money.

Now I'm not saying this is a fact but it might be that number plates must be seen from certain angles just as indicators do (in law).

I can't remember the actual numbers but I think you have to be able to see indicators from angles 30 degrees to either side of the bike. Could be the same with plates.

That said, the underslung number plate setup makes a bike look great!

You are wrong and right. There is no law regarding angles in which things need to be visible...I have checked the law....but you are right - my bike does look cool :drool:

[Biggles08]

Most likely the cop will just shrug his shoulders and head off back to work, it's not like his boss is going to give him a black cross beside his name or something, I feel you're focus on shove one up 'the man' is eating you up, sure, get a 'win' but do it for yousefl, not to try and 'get one back'.

This cop is a fucker and is well known amongst the biking fraternity...trust me, it will eat him up inside that he was unable to get me on anything that sticks...he was annoyed enough that i wasn't speeding and thats why I believe he gave me a ticket for the plate and rear reflector. I will ensure he knows what I think of him as we are leaving the court room.

Besides, I am doing it for myself along with everyone else who has a 'non standard' mounting system for their plates....If I sent in the photos trying to get the cops to drop the fine, I wouldn't have the satisfaction of seeing the wanker after it was thrown out of court now would i, so I figure by doing it this way I get personal satisfaction... also, I will ask the court for some confirmation of the outcome in writing in case any other stupid twat tries to tell me its not legal.

[AllanB]

Rego plate lighting

http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/rules/vehicle-lighting-2004.html#8


down-load entire motorcycle WOF section here

http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/certifiers/virm-in-service/index.html#motorcycles

Somewhere on the LTSA site there will be plate clarity notes.


I did discover that a motorcycle may not exceed 1 metre in width - there are a few Harleys with super wide handle bars in CHCH that would not meet this!

[Patrick]

I will ensure he knows what I think of him as we are leaving the court room.

Careful. Could lock you up for offensive/obscene/insulting language or the like... The court is a public place.

[Biggles08]

Careful. Could lock you up for offensive/obscene/insulting language or the like... The court is a public place.

I was thinking more like holding my hand like I'm holding a bottle of coke and moving it upwards and then downwards and then upwards and then downwards and then...:tugger:

[Biggles08]

And its off to court I go...

[TimeOut]

Good luck, you shouldn't need it.

Go get him:2guns:

[Swoop]

No report back yet.

Hope he hasn't been locked up!:oi-grr:

[avgas]

Is their any law stating that the plate must be mounted on the back of the vehicle? or that is must just be visible from the back of the vehicle?

[Patrick]

Yeah. It describes how the plate should be contructed and attached. Includes it having a light etc

[Patrick]

No report back yet.

Hope he hasn't been locked up!:oi-grr:

Told ya it was going to take up a lot of his time....

[Biggles08]

Told ya it was going to take up a lot of his time....

Hasn't taken up any of my time yet patrick...Well no more of my time than yours cause all I have done thus far is winged about this type of cop on this here forum.

When I posted "well its off to court for me" I was referring to a letter I have now received from the cops stating that they were going to continue pursuing the infringement against me and waste the courts time...well appart from the last part, that was the gist of the letter. I'm not due to go to court until next month...if the date is suitable to me that is.:niceone:

[Biggles08]

Pleaded (by letter) not guilty in the preliminary hearing and a new date has been set for the proper hearing on 4th November! A wee wait then...lol.:wacko:

[southernmike]

I wondered about doing that with my plate with the tail tidy on my bike. I thought I can't be bothered with the hassle...'cause it was always going to be one! Number plate light was going to be a drama. At least the tail light pretends to illuminate mine.

Guess I'll have to put a red strip on the number plate to prevent a similar experience.

[FastBikeGear]

Tell me, have I got super human eyes cause I can read my number plate fine...Apparently the cop who gave me a ticket for $200 today couldn't read it....what do you think...can you see it too?

FFS!?

I can see his point. It is harder to read than the optimum placement and I can see that it is also vulnerable to getting covered up with muddy water from the rear tyre.

The road code says (pg 159 current edition) you must have "in good working condition."

"A red reflector at the back."
"One or more red position lights and a white number plat light at the back"

By good working condition you would presume that the white light should light up the number plate. Does yours?

...and on page 156

"In addition to the warrant of fitness , a motorcycle must display a current licence label and a number plate on the back that can be clearly seen."

However I am surprised you didn't just get some friendly advice to better position it.

[Damantis]

If youve got a warrant with the plate mounted as it is, he should be investigating where you got a warrant, not issuing you a ticket. Just print the photos and post in your appeal, it costs you nothing unless they want to go to court over it.
It's a shame when cops get all pedantic about little shit like that. some little old lady was probably gettn robbed while he was on his power trip

[FastBikeGear]

This post has been moved to another thread.

[Sanx]

However I am surprised you didn't just get some friendly advice to better position it.

And how does a friendly warning generate revenue ... oops! ... help road safety?

[Swoop]

If youve got a warrant with the plate mounted as it is, he should be investigating where you got a warrant, not issuing you a ticket.
A WOF does not require a numberplate. Seperate issue entirely.

[wofman]

check the tail light the lens should have a reflector in it
as to the number plate you need to take a pic from the dash of a car at 6 or
7 car lengths be hind the bike. the plate is no worse than some that are about
it looks like there is no light over the plate wich is onother fine.
good luck with the apeal

[Max Preload]

it looks like there is no light over the plate which is another fine.


LED lights...look at the photo again and you can see the light arm coming over the # Plate shining back onto it...no problems with lighting.

Already covered...

[Biggles08]

Well....to put a final full stop to this thread...I had my court case today and the wanker didn't even show up, probably because he couldn't see where he was driving and got lost.....blind cuntstable!

So, They threw it out and I got let off both charges. Pisses me off tho....wasting everyones time and deciding that it is not worthwhile to show up and try to explain to the court why he is the only person that can't read my plate! WANKER!

wanker cop = 0
Me = 1
fuck you!

:bs::finger:

[Swoop]

Excellent news mate!!!

That is the :Police: "shotgun" approach to ticketing. Just write heaps and see how many pay up.

[.produKt]

WD Biggles.

Fcuking cops. They serve their purpose just fine - and then go on power trips >_>.

gg for sticking it to the man :)

[The Pastor]

take the cop to the disbutes tribunal for the loss on income.

[Ixion]

Well....to put a final full stop to this thread...I had my court case today and the wanker didn't even show up, probably because he couldn't see where he was driving and got lost.....blind cuntstable!

So, They threw it out and I got let off both charges. Pisses me off tho....wasting everyones time and deciding that it is not worthwhile to show up and try to explain to the court why he is the only person that can't read my plate! WANKER!

wanker cop = 0
Me = 1
fuck you!

:bs::finger:

Nope

wanker cop = 1
Me = 0


He never intended to turn up. End result is you've wasted a lot of time, probably cost you some money and certainly some stress.

Cost him nothing.

Barstool.

[Biggles08]

Nope

wanker cop = 1
Me = 0


He never intended to turn up. End result is you've wasted a lot of time, probably cost you some money and certainly some stress.

Cost him nothing.

Barstool.

I see your point and I agree re he never intended to show BUT....

I have wasted no real time (been made redundant helped here), Cost me no money and hey....I was never stressed cause it obvious...everyone can read it! So...I maintain

Me = 1
Cop = 0

[scumdog]

WD Biggles.

Fcuking cops. They serve their purpose just fine - and then go on power trips >_>.

gg for sticking it to the man :)

Oh yeah baby, 'stick it to the man',... it pisses them off.

Only beware, sometimes the 'them' that is pissed off can end up being yourself...as the unfortunate Biggles08 found out.

[Max Preload]

There needs to be a penalty for such vexacious prosecution when they don't show up and don't notify you. I mean, you spend time & money preparing and show up and if you don't show, you're penalised. Why shouldn't it work both ways? It'd certainly go some way towards stopping such harrassment of citizens.

[popelli]

got a ticket years ago for an illegal plate

cops did show in court but as soon as I appeared they withdrew the evidence and dropped the case

seems they know they are skating on thin ice

[Owl]

It's been a while, but a good result. Way to go Biggles08!:clap:

[Biggles08]

There needs to be a penalty for such vexacious prosecution when they don't show up and don't notify you. I mean, you spend time & money preparing and show up and if you don't show, you're penalised. Why shouldn't it work both ways? It'd certainly go some way towards stopping such harrassment of citizens.

I agree to a degree ( hahaha...oh I'm soooo funny) but I guess the penalty for him is the lack of prosecution in this case...in saying that, its not really a penalty to him, but more so a benefit to me...it does seem a bit lopsided in that had I not shown up I would have lost too....BUT...if it was a more serious charge...they could have issued a warrent for my arrest. If it was a more serious charge and the officer had not shown...would he be penalized/issued a warrent for his arrest??? Doubt it. :blink:

[Brooke]

Well, I've sent my letter into the cops stating that I disputed the alledged offences and wished to have a court hearing set...will see what happens from here. Hopefully common logic and sense will all of a sudden overcome the police force and they will decide to drop the proceedings - but I do believe I give them too much credit by hoping for such things...will keep ya'll posted.
Biggles08

Good luck mate, let us know how you get on. Police need to spend more time putting their resources into to protecting us and making our communities safe rather than picking on people for this kind of crap.

I mean sounds like this cop must drive around with binoculars just to pick half these people up on stuff. I wouldn't be able to see half this stuff even if I was standing right behind the bike!

[Biggles08]

Good luck mate, let us know how you get on. Police need to spend more time putting their resources into to protecting us and making our communities safe rather than picking on people for this kind of crap.

I mean sounds like this cop must drive around with binoculars just to pick half these people up on stuff. I wouldn't be able to see half this stuff even if I was standing right behind the bike!
hehehe...you obviously haven't read the last part of this thread...the copper didn't show...it was thrown out ;-)

[jase the ace]

well bro ,hard luck . i would take it to the courts. then ask the fuzz what he did for a living before becoming a cop . may well have been a failed politician . perhaps he wasn"t wearing his glasses.

[jase the ace]

well bro ,hard luck . i would take it to the courts. then ask the fuzz what he did for a living before becoming a cop . may well have been a failed politician . perhaps he wasn"t wearing his glasses. some cops have even been known to be rapists .

[kiwifruit]

yeah thats a bit harsh man, bloody cops, take the bastard to court!!

[scumdog]

well bro ,hard luck . i would take it to the courts. then ask the fuzz what he did for a living before becoming a cop . may well have been a failed politician . perhaps he wasn"t wearing his glasses. some cops have even been known to be rapists .

Or maybe he was a jase the ace before he got a life???

[Cr1MiNaL]

Silly cops, all got small cock syndrome. FTP I say. :)

[5150]

I would just tell him that any competent police officer would have read the number plate without any problems. I'd say he was short on his quota for the day and you just happened to ride past. On the other hand, if he can't read your plate, technically who is he giving the ticket to? haha

:finger:

[racerhead]

Nice result with the court hearing :2thumbsup: