Fuck the Police!

[DMNTD]

After waiting for 18months to have the cunt that "touched" my daughter jailed it has turned out due to Kaikohe Police's lack of following through on their side of things that the cunt has been given home fucking detention for 7months!! :mad::mad:
To call me livid atm is a gross understatement! People that know the real me will understand how good my self control has been for the last 18months...
All I can say is that now it's my turn

[jrandom]

Hold onto that zen and bide your time, bro.

Karma is a motherfucker.

[Pumba]

Not good mate, even though they seem to be incompetent pricks, just dont do anything stupid

[chanceyy]

really sorry to hear that Dmntd - words fail me at the moment


my friends just found out that the guy who interferred with their daughter has been refused parole & will serve the full term of his sentence. A sigh of relief was audible. Thankfully the "process" was followed and the right outcome was gained

Once he gets out its their turn ..

[NZsarge]

After waiting for 18months to have the cunt that "touched" my daughter jailed it has turned out due to Kaikohe Police's lack of following through on their side of things that the cunt has been given home fucking detention for 7months!! :mad::mad:
To call me livid atm is a gross understatement! People that know the real me will understand how good my self control has been for the last 18months...
All I can say is that now it's my turn

I can't pretend to know or understand your feelings but all I can say is don't do anything rash because all it will get you in the long run is strife. But I do agree that that is unjust sentencing.

Hold onto that zen and bide your time, bro.

Karma is a motherfucker.

Indeed.

[Mikkel]

All I can say is that now it's my turn


Careful with that mate. You have got both a connection and a motive...

When the going gets tough - the clever people get sneaky! :yes:

[goodguy8]

Hang in there mate.. If u need any form of support, all you need to do is ask..take care and think before u do something silly..

[007XX]

Oh shit bugger and crap...there are no words to say how much I feel for you here mate...

and how much I agree taht the fucker should not be let out for a very, very long time or even get compulsory removal of his gonads for what he's done...

One thing I will say though: he's not worth you getting in the shit over him...

[Number One]

Boy I really feel for you and your family. To say that sucks is another gross understatement.

Please do (as heartbreaking and frustrating as it is) maintain your self control at least somewhat - your daughter will need you around to support her and help her to grow up with some faith that not all men are dogs.

I wish you all the best - especially your daughter.

...these bastards get off tooo F'ing light if you ask me (which no one is but....) home detention for these pricks should entail having their balls nailed to the floor, should they be brave enough to get up and make it to the door I'd have someone posted out front 24/7 with a gun to finish the bugger off once and for all.

But that's not reality and we have all heard of how supporters of victims that do take the law into their own hands tend to come out worse off in the disciplinary stakes than the 'real offender'.

No fricken justice exists in the official system it would seem( ....except in Chancys example - that was good to hear about!)
Thinking of you and hoping your daughter heals in time :hug:- she is the important one to worry about in all this - don't waste all that energy on him.

[chanceyy]

One thing I will say though: he's not worth you getting in the shit over him...

Agreed V .. however there are many "legal" channels to take, dunna have to physically hurt someone to make their life an absolute misery

[Finn]

Easy tiger. You are no good to the bike industry behind bars.

Still, a sign on his front lawn dropped off by a fellow KBer would be a nice message.

[MsKABC]

That's really shitty. Don't do anything stupid though - your daughter needs you around, not locked away somewhere. He will get what's coming to him.

[DMNTD]

Careful with that mate. You have got both a connection and a motive...

When the going gets tough - the clever people get sneaky! :yes:

Indeed...don't worry plenty of thought has already gone into this and I always look long term.
For his sake he was genuinely better off going to jail

[Stirts]

My initial reaction would be to rip his cock off!!!!

But NOT worth it.....unleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeess you know you can get away with it......but NOT worth it!

[Stirts]

Agreed V .. however there are many "legal" channels to take, dunna have to physically hurt someone to make their life an absolute misery

And many ways to 'legally' physically hurt someone too?!

[007XX]

Agreed V .. however there are many "legal" channels to take, dunna have to physically hurt someone to make their life an absolute misery

I agree in principal, but for my own, I wouldn't see it this way...

I'm sorry, I do not wish to turn this thread into a debate on the subject, so I'll keep my nose out of it.

Chris, I'm just there for you if you need though.

[Colapop]

You know what my views are bro. All I can say is that I trust you and I know you'll do the right thing.

[owner]

Fuck the police and the courts for sure, They seem to have priority issues. Why cant they get the important stuff right? , Be senislbe(cant even spell it), fuck the bike industry, your no good to your daughter behind bars.
All the best

[ManDownUnder]

And the Minister in charge would be who???

Invite them to meet you on Campbell Live (make sure Johnny boy gets cc'd of course). I reckon you'd do really well on the telly...

[Bikernereid]

Feel for you, your family but most of all your daughter.

But please for the love of God don't you think your daughter has gone through enough without possibly having you banged up. I am sure she wouldn't need the guilt of knowing that as a result of what happened to her she has lost her dad and the rest of your family have lost you too.

Be supportive, be a great dad and put your daughters needs before your desire for revenge.

[DMNTD]

Feel for you, your family but most of all your daughter.

But please for the love of God don't you think your daughter has gone through enough without possibly having you banged up. I am sure she wouldn't need the guilt of knowing that as a result of what happened to her she has lost her dad and the rest of your family have lost you too.

Be supportive, be a great dad and put your daughters needs before your desire for revenge.

I'll be fine as I wouldn't touch the guy because I know what the result would be and I can't be a Dad from behind bars,well aware of that.
However...cat...skinning...many...meow

[ManDownUnder]

Is his name a matter of public record?

[Fatjim]

For all of you who say its not worth it. I have a 9 year old daughter and if a repeat offender does something to her then I think whatever the previous victim could have done to rid that prick from our society would be worth it.

The coutry is full of people like that because "its not worth it".

[DMNTD]

Is his name a matter of public record?

:2guns: Herbert Leaf...currently residing in Tokoroa.
Oh...yes it is/was

[mstriumph]

..........
All I can say is that now it's my turn


i understand your ire, fella - and totally sympathise
---- but here isn't the place to say that.

[DMNTD]

i understand your ire, fella - and totally sympathise
---- but here isn't the place to say that.

My hands will not touch him...

[_Gina_]

I know you will do the right thing by and for your daughter Chris and that is why you belong to my "life friends" list.

7 months home D, wtf is going on with our system people?

7 months to manifest his next deviant crime, with the help of a psychiatrist and councillor who will empathise with his "hard start" in life then accept his "self reported" progress... I don't think that's acceptable, what a joke.

G
xxx

[scrivy]

Bad karma Dmnted!!!

But dont you touch him!!
Pay some homies to graffitti the offence on his property. Write it in roundup on his lawn. Write it in brakefluid (or screwdriver) on his car.

[onearmedbandit]

7 fucken months? WTF? I know you have a plan DMNTD but someone in the police should be held accountable for this, have you considered action about this? FFS, people get heavier sentences for growing a bit of pot. Go public I say.

[kiwifruit]

Herbert Leaf ...currently residing in Tokoroa.


No address listed in the white pages, unfortunately

[Finn]

No address listed in the white pages, unfortunately

I've got it.......

[Bikernereid]

Do you really think that psychiatrists & counsellors are that lame? And I doubt that any psychiatrist or such like who is worth thier salt would ever soley accept a self report as a method of risk assessment and measure of potential recidivism.

maybe you should be looking at other area of the criminal justice system to try to change so that justice is served.


I know you will do the right thing by and for your daughter Chris and that is why you belong to my "life friends" list.

7 months home D, wtf is going on with our system people?

7 months to manifest his next deviant crime, with the help of a psychiatrist and councillor who will empathise with his "hard start" in life then accept his "self reported" progress... I don't think that's acceptable, what a joke.

G
xxx

[Brett]

Sorry to hear that this faggot has slid through like he has. Sounds like 'karma' is going to come get him when he leasts expects it. Home detention...not like he will be hard to track down...

Any way I can help up here, just yell out.

[kiwifruit]

I've got it.......

post it up for all to see

[Brett]

I've got it.......

How about distributing it so that he can start getting wierd annonymous calls at odd hours. I would be keen to set the alarm clock for 4:30am each day.

[Ixion]

Sorry to hear that this faggot has slid through like he has.

It is no amelioration, but the fact that it was a little girl he interfered with would indicate that, whilst he is many things, faggot is not one of them.

[Ixion]

Do you really think that psychiatrists & counsellors are that lame? ..

Yes .

[Finn]

post it up for all to see

You gotta be careful with this stuff. It may be an innocent relative's house. He may not be at this address. Easy to find out though.

[sels1]

.. and we have all heard of how supporters of victims that do take the law into their own hands tend to come out worse off in the disciplinary stakes than the 'real offender'..

I Agree - have a vent, but dont lower yourself to his level...even by association.


Thinking of you and hoping your daughter heals in time :she is the important one to worry about in all this - don't waste all that energy on him.

Well said. We all sympathise with you mate, esp those of us with daughters...but you have to concentrate on the future

[Brett]

It is no amelioration, but the fact that it was a little girl he interfered with would indicate that, whilst he is many things, faggot is not one of them.

Thanks for cleary that up Ixion.:spanking:

Faggot can also mean a small bundle of sticks. Of course I was simply using an abusive term to indicate my feelings towards the guy, as I am not much of a swearing person. If I was, Fucking Scum would probably have sufficed.

[_Gina_]

Do you really think that psychiatrists & counsellors are that lame?
Yes and No.

And I doubt that any psychiatrist or such like who is worth thier salt would ever soley accept a self report as a method of risk assessment and measure of potential recidivism.


maybe you should be looking at other area of the criminal justice system to try to change so that justice is served.


Take it easy, it's not a personal attack on psychiatrists or councillors.

Nor is this thread the place for a discussion around it either.

[ManDownUnder]

Do you really think that psychiatrists & counsellors are that lame?

Hey B1N - I am honestly ... not having a go at your or those in your profession. I respect it tremendously but...

Yes - I firmly believe many are there from a deep seated need to self actualise and find a framework from which they can understand their own problems, and somehow rationalise or fix theiir world view.

It's like asking "Is there a higher incidence of peadolphiles among primary and kindergarten teachers". Sadly - yes... it's an attractive vocation to those so inclined.



And I doubt that any psychiatrist or such like who is worth thier salt would ever soley accept a self report as a method of risk assessment and measure of potential recidivism.
Agreed. It's the "worth their salt"" but I have trouble with though. It's only through a peer review system WITH Psyche's worth their salt that the warts and weeds get frozen and sprayed (respectively).

The majority of concepts and appproaches vary so widely, and are interspersed with high level meta-analyses and psychobabble the averge "troubled joe" has no idea of the value of the potentail damaging crap being fed to them - with the exception of the hourly rate.

You have to admit it's far from a hard science...


maybe you should be looking at other area of the criminal justice system to try to change so that justice is served.

Should be looking at ALL areas, not other areas.

[Brett]

Yes and No.

Take it easy, it's not a personal attack on psychiatrists or councillors.

Nor is this thread the place for a discussion around it either.

I would never down grade what good councillors and psychiatrists can achieve with people, nor how valuable to society they can be. However, a good talk and some self exploration are not what this guy needs.

[Scouse]

How about a mail out to it's one hunderd nearest neybours telling them that it is a convicted sex feind

[BiK3RChiK]

Any bastard who touched my kids would get the 'slice and dice!'

Mongrels...

Hang in there Chris. I can only imagine how you feel...:calm: thoughts coming your way.

Mavis

[_Gina_]

I would never down grade what good councillors and psychiatrists can achieve with people, nor how valuable to society they can be.
Neither.

However, a good talk and some self exploration are not what this guy needs.
Exactly, well put.

[CookMySock]

Right with you there bro, the pigs have never done anything fucking useful for me, there were some times when I could have really really done with a hand, yet they are at every fucking corner ready to catch me on the slightest administrative slipup. Ooh your RUC is 1,100 km over !! Thats 400bux kthx. :doh:

"Catch up with this guy and have a wee word" would be my suggestion. You know what I mean. He will keep.

DB

[Swoop]

Still, a sign on his front lawn dropped off by a fellow KBer would be a nice message.
His hands or his head?

[ManDownUnder]

How about a mail out to it's one hunderd nearest neybours telling them that it is a convicted sex feind

Oh goodness gracious no. That'd be a breach of his civil liberties - he was never found guilty in a court of law (or did I miss something?).

I wonder what can be done though. An effigy on the front lawn with burning rubber ring around it's dick perhaps?

[MSTRS]

Had no idea, Chris. All I can think of is get some 'advice' from all the mothers you know. Woman know how to do revenge.

[Goblin]

7 months home D, wtf is going on with our system people?
The judge is obviously a pedophile himself is what's going on. Judges aren't above sexual deviances themselves so hand out these pathetic sentences to their fellow deviants.

Really sorry to see this Chris. Utterly heart breaking!

[yungatart]

:grouphug:to you all.
Its wrong, on every level...I can understand how you feel Chris, my heart goes out to you all.

[GIXser]

After waiting for 18months to have the cunt that "touched" my daughter jailed it has turned out due to Kaikohe Police's lack of following through on their side of things that the cunt has been given home fucking detention for 7months!! :mad::mad:
To call me livid atm is a gross understatement! People that know the real me will understand how good my self control has been for the last 18months...
All I can say is that now it's my turn


Dude i feel for you i really do.. stay close to your 'angel' bud,

i read a little while ago, a girl was R@@@@d by this guy down the line, only a young girl, ' the guy was send home by police until the trial date

he then raped two more woman,

the first young girl was that upset by it, that she commited suicide,

Dude , let me know if you need anything!

[Maha]

I know it aint the right word to use, it doesn't seemed served (you may remember my thread from last Nov'?) I was in the same boat Chris, and it felt like the current was twice as strong as I was. It took some time for the wheels of justice to move forward and when they did, the prick pled quilty (in a way, I was happy with that because my Girls didnt have to appear in court) The sentence was 12 months (probably out in 4 months) but the creep is no longer part of my girls or ex's lives. I would highly recommend that you take no part in any 'self justice'. You have a connection to this cunt and it wouldn't take much for it lead back to you buddy. We is thinking about ya mate, take it easy, I know its one of the hardest things to do. Think of the people that care about you and your family and (skinny white boys) there are more good then bad fuckers out there, the cunts in this world live a shocking life and in knowing that, im all the better for it...Mark

[kevfromcoro]

Hold onto that zen and bide your time, bro.

Karma is a motherfucker.

+ 1..
Fucken kiddie fiddlers....Burn the lot of the cunts..
Dont do anything...Karma will cure all...

[Skyryder]

Hold onto that zen and bide your time, bro.

Karma is a motherfucker.


Best post on this to date.

I'm not even going to try and understand your feelings on this but be carefull that this does not become a 'cross' on your back. There comes a time when you need to 'let go.'

Skyryder

[Al]

Thoughts are the same as everyone else....
If that happened to one of my girls we (their mom and I) would make sure he was hurt so badly that he would have no quality of life left...

Be strong and wait it out, gather all the ideas and hints and KEEP ANY PLANS TO YOURSELF!
If people do not know what you are doing they cannot tell anyone what you have done.

Al

[DougieNZ]

I can appreciate the sentiment or sure... Who would know how they would react in such a situation...?

But I don't agree with the title of the thread. We see far too much of this in here in my opinion - generally with only one side of the story.

Because one police officer (allegedly) didn't do his job, there is no need to embark on a tirade on the total police force and the judiciary. Some of he comments made in this thread are a disgrace!

A judge's job is to weigh up all the evidence of the case and to make a decision. To speak of ALL police and ALL judges because (perhaps with good cause from your perspective) you don't agree with a decision is not on - in my opinion.

In my job I often call police out to pick little pieces of people up off the ground, put them in a plastic bag, and then go and tell the family they are dead. Not a job I would want to do.

Lets try to keep some balance here....

[spudchucka]

Care to clarify why it is that the police are at fault for this sentence, which has been imposed by the Courts?

If he's been sentenced then he's been found guilty, which means the case was proven.

[Fatjim]

I would highly recommend that you take no part in any 'self justice'. You have a connection to this cunt and it wouldn't take much for it lead back to you buddy.

Maybe you guys could do each other a favour.

[jrandom]

If he's been sentenced then he's been found guilty, which means the case was proven.

I read DMNTD's post as implying that the police prosecutor(s) either presented only a minimum of argument and evidence, sufficient to convict but not sufficient to movitate a stiff sentence, or that they allowed the scumbag in question to plead guilty to a lesser charge to avoid the hassle of proving a more serious one.

[mstriumph]

Care to clarify why it is that the police are at fault for this sentence, which has been imposed by the Courts?

If he's been sentenced then he's been found guilty, which means the case was proven.

..... he said at the beginning ".......it has turned out due to Kaikohe Police's lack of following through on their side of things......" so i guess it's the Kaikohe Police he's angry with and means no offence/disrespect to the rest of the force?

[mark247]

One of the reasons people like this dont go to prison, where they should be, is because all our prisons are full. If this was a country with a decent legal system like the U.S. this dude would be locked up for good.

[doc]

I read DMNTD's post as implying that the police prosecutor(s) either presented only a minimum of argument and evidence, sufficient to convict but not sufficient to movitate a stiff sentence, or that they allowed the scumbag in question to plead guilty to a lesser charge to avoid the hassle of proving a more serious one.

There must be some sort of Karma here. The internet has spread the details of the offence and that he was guilty. Home detention means that he is available, sort of like a sitting duck don't you think. How can they link that back to DMNTD.

[Mom]

I can fully understand the outrage in all instances here. We had to deal with something similar not so long ago, and as Maha man has said it was a very tough time finding the balance when the red mist is so thick you cant see properly. For me it was the swing between wanting to do bodily harm to the bloke (I had many and varied means of fixing him I can assure you), the complete frustration with the constabulary taking so long to take action (or so it seemed for us) and just wanting to hug the girls close and tell them I loved them. Chris, take heart mate, you have your lovely girl and she is safe.

Scum like this bloke will find their punishment, of that I have no doubt. You cant do something like that without opening yourself up to an amazing array of bad shit happening in your life. I know it, I have seen it working.

Sending you all my love and calm energy mate.

Love Anne

[Roadrash]

i think you need to be looking at the Courts and sentencing as apposed to the Police,If he got Home d or whatever his sentence was, the fact he was found guilty and got a sentence shows the Police did their job.

[Mom]

Because one police officer (allegedly) didn't do his job, there is no need to embark on a tirade on the total police force and the judiciary. Some of he comments made in this thread are a disgracce.

Lets try to keep some balance here....

I am not sure we have been reading the same thread mate, I cant see anywhere that it has been said that one police officer did not do his job (allegedly) or anyone really bagging the entire judiciary or police force.

Lets try to keep some balance here...

How about you go and start up your own thread and bring your feelings about this to the masses for comment? Just a thought!

[candor]

The average for these types is to have abused 200 to 300 kids I was told when I trained - a stat that came from the sex offenders unit at a CHCH prison I think.

Recidivism is their middle name. But its the Courts not the Police. There is a bit of a paed ring among lawyers (and ? therefore Judges)that I'm aware of from things confided to me as a psyc nurse by both adult survivors - confirmed by things told to me by low lifes (the lawyers mates who groom and provide kids) who got caught themselves.

To my knowledge none of the upper rung have been caught and some still practise law - defense lawyer is the trade of one who pays well. We won't get real sentences till the sickness gets out of the legal system.

You have good cause to obsess over this injustice - but karma will get him even if it takes years. Meanwhile his reputation will be screwed which is some punishment in itself. But it will get him in a surprising way, just have faith - without you needing to engineer or instigate in any way. Seen poetic justice just happen many times.

And if not soon, I guarantee (having nursed some dying creeps) that his conscience will make him have a tortured dying period. These types fight death as they know they aint done life right - a fear and anxiety grips them.

[spudchucka]

..... he said at the beginning ".......it has turned out due to Kaikohe Police's lack of following through on their side of things......" so i guess it's the Kaikohe Police he's angry with and means no offence/disrespect to the rest of the force?

Then "F*&k the Kaikohe Police" might have been a more appropriate title.

[MSTRS]

Then "F*&k the Kaikohe Police" might have been a more appropriate title.

Pedant. And we all 'generalise'. Even you.

[Sollyboy]

Hold onto that zen and bide your time, bro.

Karma is a motherfucker.

There is no such thing as Karma , kiddy fiddlers should die , instead the NZ government does nothing to protect our children , I think its fair that dad gets to kill the fucker with a hammer

[jrandom]

Then "F*&k the Kaikohe Police" might have been a more appropriate title.

Yes, but it wouldn't have started us all humming along to NWA in our heads, would it?

[jrandom]

There is no such thing as Karma...

Karma, like cannabis, can be successfully grown at home if you know what you're doing and are discreet about it.

[Sollyboy]

Karma, like cannabis, can be successfully grown at home if you know what you're doing and are discreet about it.

oooopps , as you were

[Waylander]

One of the reasons people like this dont go to prison, where they should be, is because all our prisons are full. If this was a country with a decent legal system like the U.S. this dude would be locked up for good.
People say Texas is fucked up because we still have the death penalty.

Tell me that isn't just what this guy deserves.

[yod]

cos if you get it wrong it's a bit difficult to apologise

[Mikkel]

I suppose tatooing pedophile on his forehead would go some way to rectify the situation...

I hope you'll sort something out that'll provide the peace of mind that you deserve mate!


Thanks for cleary that up Ixion.:spanking:

Faggot can also mean a small bundle of sticks.

In which case he shouldn't have too much trouble catching fire if exposed to the right conditions <_<

[DougieNZ]

Edited......

[mstriumph]

I suppose tatooing pedophile on his forehead would go some way to rectify the situation............. i might have been, perhaps, mebbe, in the company of a person or persons who may or may not perhaps have sprayed 'RAPIST' all over the hitherto classic car of a guy who had evaded more formal justice for his misdeeds ............ it was a looooooong time ago in a country far, far away, but i seem to remember, if it happened at all of course which i couldn't actually say, that if nothing else it gave the victim a sense of having DONE something :rolleyes:

to cut a long story short, i feel it's the sense of being POWERLESS in the face of a failure in the justice process that causes the angst ..... coupled with the feeling that one should, at least, do SOMETHING ...

[Mully]

Chris, Gutted for you mate. Stay strong for your daughter and your family.

Time for an anonymous public notice in said pedo's local paper?? Warning other parents of said sicko mebbee??

[Mikkel]

i might have been, perhaps, mebbe, in the company of a person or persons who may or may not perhaps have sprayed 'RAPIST' all over the hitherto classic car of a guy who had evaded more formal justice for his misdeeds ............ it was a looooooong time ago in a country far, far away, but i seem to remember, if it happened at all of course which i couldn't actually say, that if nothing else it gave the victim a sense of having DONE something :rolleyes:

to cut a long story short, i feel it's the sense of being POWERLESS in the face of a failure in the justice process that causes the angst ..... coupled with the feeling that one should, at least, do SOMETHING ...

I think you're spot on about that last bit! :yes:
A decent law-abiding person is left powerless when the legal system fails them. The wrong has not been righted, nor even addresses properly.

For me personally the most frustrating thing would be that my primal urges all of a sudden would seem appropriate and justified - even when I, from a rational perspective, know that such behaviour is unacceptable.

I hope I shall never find out how much it would take for me to become a vigilante!

[Goblin]

Edited.....As I have said, I completely understand the reasons and motovations behind the author of this thread. But, to me, many of the comments and accusations made on his thread are well over the top - and out of order. To accuse people of such crimes without solid evidence and/or formal complaints is a disgrace... Is it not?
__________________.How much more evidence do you need to know that judges who hand out these kind of sentences are involved in pedophilia? Just like the judge who sentenced me to 200 hours community service for making cannabis butter then in the next moment sentenced a pedophile to 3 months PD for molesting 3 boys under the age of 12??? Try and tell me that judge didn't get off on hearing the gory details of that case. It is a FACT that there are pedophiles in every walk of life. Justice dept and the force are no different! The only difference is that they ARE the law so take it upon themselves to protect one another.

[deanohit]

Mate, I know SOME of what your feeling at the mo' after a something happened to a very close friend.
You already know it, but we'll both get ours back.

[spookytooth]

post deleted i think

[ynot slow]

Can understand your grief,my step daughter was raped by her step uncle,she was living with her auntie(her dads sister),to this day her dad thinks she didn't get raped,his sister thinks her partner didn't do it,but the girl can't have kids nuff said.

Does the scumbag play rugby or league,know a dude who had similar stuff go down,justice wasn't done due to cops inadequecy.The first time the crim was able to play rugby,and was caught in a ruck justice was done,took 60mins into the game but said guy didn't walk off the field.

Also as noticed here spray roundup in big fucken letters on his front lawn,kiddy fucker lives here,making sure he does live there.

Any way you can object the sentencing.

Big thing for your family to cope with but try to hold the hostilities legal,hope those concerned with you are coping alright,god knows how.

[inlinefour]

After waiting for 18months to have the cunt that "touched" my daughter jailed it has turned out due to Kaikohe Police's lack of following through on their side of things that the cunt has been given home fucking detention for 7months!! :mad::mad:
To call me livid atm is a gross understatement! People that know the real me will understand how good my self control has been for the last 18months...
All I can say is that now it's my turn


That sucks, justice system my arse. Let me know if you need anything done by someone in a wheelchair with an bad attitude towards these sort of loosers...

[doc]

I can appreciate the sentiment or sure... Who would know how they would react in such a situation...?

But I don't agree with the title of the thread. We see far too much of this in here in my opinion - generally with only one side of the story.

Because one police officer (allegedly) didn't do his job, there is no need to embark on a tirade on the total police force and the judiciary. Some of he comments made in this thread are a disgrace!

A judge's job is to weigh up all the evidence of the case and to make a decision. To speak of ALL police and ALL judges because (perhaps with good cause from your perspective) you don't agree with a decision is not on - in my opinion.

In my job I often call police out to pick little pieces of people up off the ground, put them in a plastic bag, and then go and tell the family they are dead. Not a job I would want to do.

Lets try to keep some balance here....

So this is where PC bullshit starts. He was found guilty of an abhorrent crime . Why try to defend irelevant details. Just pass the fuckin ammo. PC brigade are next.

[spudchucka]

I read DMNTD's post as implying that the police prosecutor(s) either presented only a minimum of argument and evidence, sufficient to convict but not sufficient to movitate a stiff sentence, or that they allowed the scumbag in question to plead guilty to a lesser charge to avoid the hassle of proving a more serious one.

Plea bargains in serious cases only happen when there are holes in the case or critical witnesses that don't come up to brief. I've never known a cop to accept a guilty plea to a lesser charge just because its an easier option if they have a sound case to prove the charge.

Sometimes police prosecutors do take plea bargains on minor charges without consulting with the officer in charge, which tends to really piss the O/C off. But serious cases like this one aren't prosecuted by the police prosecution service, they are prosecuted by the crown solicitors office.

[Quartermile]

Texas has crime sorted, I have heard(and before i get killed for saying this its only somehting I heard) that you can legaly defend yourself, property and FAMILY, with lethal force in Texas.

[Dave-]

I'd do it, but I'd do it in such a way that it was legal.

there are plenty of ways you could ruin his life legally.

[Quartermile]

First of all you find someone addicted to cocaine or crack. You then aquire some of the above mentioned drug. You quietly talk to the addict and calmly explain your situation over a few lines and a few drinks. All conversations should be in private, best place would be an abandoned country road. If the conversation goes well you have yourself a hitman.

[Bikernereid]

Hey B1N - I am honestly ... not having a go at your or those in your profession. I respect it tremendously but...

Yes - I firmly believe many are there from a deep seated need to self actualise and find a framework from which they can understand their own problems, and somehow rationalise or fix theiir world view.

It's like asking "Is there a higher incidence of peadolphiles among primary and kindergarten teachers". Sadly - yes... it's an attractive vocation to those so inclined.

Some of us are going into this profession because we genuinely want to help people and care. If people don't get that by trying to help those is prison to not reoffend we are helping to save future potential victims then they are just too bloody daft.



Agreed. It's the "worth their salt"" but I have trouble with though. It's only through a peer review system WITH Psyche's worth their salt that the warts and weeds get frozen and sprayed (respectively).

The majority of concepts and appproaches vary so widely, and are interspersed with high level meta-analyses and psychobabble the averge "troubled joe" has no idea of the value of the potentail damaging crap being fed to them - with the exception of the hourly rate.

You have to admit it's far from a hard science...

How can you say that neuropsychology is not hard science? Yes there are different prspectives but all humans are not the same abd have different opinions and thoeries, thank God. This thread is a perfvect example. Some like myself and I am pleased to say a number of others are not pro revenge but others seemt o have the lynch mob mentality. No I do not agree with them but they propose another solution to a problem, much like psychology. It is only by being open-minded and humble enought to say that we are constantly learning and that we have to adapt when new information comes to light that we can progress. Physicists and biologists ('scientist') have been foudn to have proposed wrong thoeries too- world was flat not so long ago!!


Should be looking at ALL areas, not other areas.

Yes look at improving all areas but stop proposing scape goats. if you are not happy with the systems then use your political rights to get some changes made.

[Waylander]

Texas has crime sorted, I have heard(and before i get killed for saying this its only somehting I heard) that you can legaly defend yourself, property and FAMILY, with lethal force in Texas.
Tis true.
Had a cop tell my mom once that if someone ever tried to get in the house, shoot him before he got in then move him inside and hose down the porch.
Was in Uvalde though, population about 3k. Different story in the big cities.

[Forest]

Originally posted by candor
The average for these types is to have abused 200 to 300 kids I was told when I trained - a stat that came from the sex offenders unit at a CHCH prison I think.

Recidivism is their middle name. But its the Courts not the Police. There is a bit of a paed ring among lawyers (and ? therefore Judges)that I'm aware of from things confided to me as a psyc nurse by both adult survivors - confirmed by things told to me by low lifes (the lawyers mates who groom and provide kids) who got caught themselves.

To my knowledge none of the upper rung have been caught and some still practise law - defense lawyer is the trade of one who pays well. We won't get real sentences till the sickness gets out of the legal system.

You have good cause to obsess over this injustice - but karma will get him even if it takes years. Meanwhile his reputation will be screwed which is some punishment in itself. But it will get him in a surprising way, just have faith - without you needing to engineer or instigate in any way. Seen poetic justice just happen many times.

And if not soon, I guarantee (having nursed some dying creeps) that his conscience will make him have a tortured dying period. These types fight death as they know they aint done life right - a fear and anxiety grips them.


How much more evidence do you need to know that judges who hand out these kind of sentences are involved in pedophilia? Just like the judge who sentenced me to 200 hours community service for making cannabis butter then in the next moment sentenced a pedophile to 3 months PD for molesting 3 boys under the age of 12??? Try and tell me that judge didn't get off on hearing the gory details of that case. It is a FACT that there are pedophiles in every walk of life. Justice dept and the force are no different! The only difference is that they ARE the law so take it upon themselves to protect one another.

Sorry, but that is complete crap.

The overwhelming majority of childhood sexual abuse in NZ is perpetrated by relatives, or family friends, of the victims.

I invite you to research this before you reply.

[Goblin]

The overwhelming majority of childhood sexual abuse in NZ is perpetrated by relatives, or family friends, of the victims.
Yes and priests and clergymen, scout leaders, school and kindy teachers, health professionals and even police fall into this category as well. Do you honestly think that judges and lawyers dont have family and close friends they can groom their children for the purpose of sexual gratification? We are all brainwashed to have blind faith in these pillars of society so is it any wonder they get away with it??

Are you a lawyer??

[slimjim]

bro , real sorry to read pity you didn't fuck him up prior to court , cause then you'll have seven month's home with your loved one's , don't stress uti will come around time has no limit's

[candor]

Sorry, but that is complete crap.

The overwhelming majority of childhood sexual abuse in NZ is perpetrated by relatives, or family friends, of the victims.

I invite you to research this before you reply.

Not sure what you're calling crap. Inmates at Kia Whakamarama have an average of over 200 victims according to staff who lectured us.
These victims would be family or friend kids on the whole.

Often the people will spend a few years targeting a / some kids then will move - we call it "doing a geographical" or go up in puff of somke when victims are reaching an age they can tell -or no longer are young enough to flick the offenders "turn on" switch.

Having changed social sets or location - they then target a fresh kid or crop by inveigling themselves into a new social scene. It is an addiction you see, so the whole life is based around feeding it.

My research comes from having worked in forensic psychiatry with offenders and in general psyc wards where the victims tell their stories - pretty solid research I reckon. Atop that we were taught about the behaviours and mentality of these people as an essential part of my degree.

Suspect those you wouldn't suspect - they are adept at presenting as good guys - trusty etc.

The rich need not take the risk of praying on friend or familys kids or even kids in their community. Lowlifes in NZ will prostitute their kids or kids of people they know. Again I know such people and their victims from my worklife.

If you don't think there are paed rings - given a big hand by the new presence of the internet I'd say you're a bit naive. Yes most paeds act alone but there have always been some organised rings. The higher status the harder to catch. This most vertainly id reflected in the soft and PC attitude of some lawyers and Judges who have dirty hands.

An example of how some offenders wear the "liberalise justice" PC mask as a way to hide guilt would be that Priest Consedine who campaigned long and hard for restorative justice and abolition of imprisonment sentences. Caught out as a molester or something wasn't he? And the replacement now is Kim Workman.

Those who play social Justice campaigner will often have the most to hide, and the most to gain from "a compassionate approach to offenders". Being a social justice campaigner is all part of fooling the world, which psychopaths get some kind of perverse kick from. "No-one really knows me -I'm so clever." P Camaraderie is real.

Unless the framework for assessing has changed since I trained (long ago) there was 3 types
- immature (but sane) ie remains a kid inside so relates only to kids
- sadistic (but sane) ie likes bullying, dominating, and making others feel pain or powerless as a means to feel godlike or get back at hated people or an"unfair world" that does not recognise your greatness - Tui! Or needs to see others suffer extremely in order to even feel anything, because of prevailing emotional deadness.
- mentally ill eg psychotic / deluded etc so not really responsible eg might think crazy stuff like that the kid is their dead wife reborn, as a result of mental illness.

[candor]

Goblin - you must spread...

[_Gina_]

Yes and priests and clergymen, scout leaders, school and kindy teachers, health professionals and even police fall into this category as well. Do you honestly think that judges and lawyers dont have family and close friends they can groom their children for the purpose of sexual gratification? We are all brainwashed to have blind faith in these pillars of society so is it any wonder they get away with it??
Are you a lawyer??

... if you are not happy with the systems then use your political rights to get some changes made.
Technically you are correct, however, as Kelly's post above details, there are flaws in the systems that need to be addressed before any real effect can occur which would end with children not being raped or used for the personal gratification of these manipulative, narcissistic, totally egocentric inadequate losers.

The point I was making is probably best put this way;
How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb?
The answer is only one, but only if the light bulb wants to change.

[Unit]

I think you're spot on about that last bit! :yes:
A decent law-abiding person is left powerless when the legal system fails them. The wrong has not been righted, nor even addresses properly.

For me personally the most frustrating thing would be that my primal urges all of a sudden would seem appropriate and justified - even when I, from a rational perspective, know that such behaviour is unacceptable.

I hope I shall never find out how much it would take for me to become a vigilante!
For what my little bit is worth.
Chris' beautiful daughter is a delight to have in our home. She is strong, like her father, but this statement should not reduce the effect on her.
The 'offender' pleaded guilty. Chris and his daughters mother were told because of this they did not need (nor their daughter) to appear. Chris was just down the road the day of the trial, and was available to be there. It had been put off several times due to the 'offenders' normal lawyer games with the system, which the judge on the day got pissy about. The cops dropped the ball at the last minute, the most crucial time.
Now, there is a far less than acceptable result.
I have so much respect for Chris as a father (and my partner) for
a) Initially entrusting in the law we all know is riddled with bollix
b) Maintaining a calm I know is drawn from an inner strength few would ever understand
c) Being the extrodinary father I witness everyday.
d) Dealing with this as he should
We are a strong family and definately on our side. No matter what, I know Chris will ensure his daughter is not put in this sort of harms way again

[Mom]

I have so much respect for Chris as a father (and my partner) for
a) Initially entrusting in the law we all know is riddled with bollix
b) Maintaining a calm I know is drawn from an inner strength few would ever understand
c) Being the extrodinary father I witness everyday.
d) Dealing with this as he should
We are a strong family and definately on our side. No matter what, I know Chris will ensure his daughter is not put in this sort of harms way again

Love you guys!

Nice words. Kia kaha!

[doc]

Yes look at improving all areas but stop proposing scape goats. if you are not happy with the systems then use your political rights to get some changes made.

Wait till you immigrate to NZ and see how effective we are at getting changes changes made. Its a waste of time here.

[Cache Wraith]

I appreciate that DMNTD is pretty gutted about the situation, and understandably so, but this thread is a disgrace.

[ManDownUnder]

For what my little bit is worth.

That's no litle bit, sounds like you both set the bar high. Awesome, and total respect!


I have so much respect for Chris as a father (and my partner) for
a) Initially entrusting in the law we all know is riddled with bollix
b) Maintaining a calm I know is drawn from an inner strength few would ever understand
c) Being the extrodinary father I witness everyday.
d) Dealing with this as he should
We are a strong family and definately on our side. No matter what, I know Chris will ensure his daughter is not put in this sort of harms way again

I was tempted to edit your post for space sake but - no, it's worth reading and I think a lot of people on here could learn for the examples you two are.

I think it's fair to say quite a few in here will happily stand alongside you both... betweeen that precious little lady and harm.

[007XX]

That's no litle bit, sounds like you both set the bar high. Awesome, and total respect!



I was tempted to edit your post for space sake but - no, it's worth reading and I think a lot of people on here could learn for the examples you two are.

I think it's fair to say quite a few in here will happily stand alongside you both... betweeen that precious little lady and harm.

What he said...DMNTD & Unit, you guys both know who you can count on in here, and that'd a truckload of folks including the likes of myself and 007XY.

You two are good decent folks and for those who don't know you: Do not presume to know someone by the way they come across on here.

[DMNTD]

Care to clarify why it is that the police are at fault for this sentence, which has been imposed by the Courts?

If he's been sentenced then he's been found guilty, which means the case was proven.

Yes it was "proven" as you say but as the Police didn't turn up on the day,did not get an up to date victims report and some other things which I won't go into online at this stage,this meant that the offender that ended up admitting his guilt after fucking everyone around for 18+months got a minimal sentence instead of what he did deserve.
I didn't mean to imply that ALL of NZ's Police are hopeless as I know for a fact that not all are,however when fucked up BS like this happens it makes a father of a then 11y/o girl VERY FUCKED OFF,obviously.

My daughter has been sentenced to a life of shit because of this cunt.
His sentence will be for his life...until he can't take it anymore.

[Unit]

To those of you who count (and you know who you are) thank you for the support and awesome kind words.
To the rest, I hope for your sake you never have to endure such trauma in order to find your empathy bone in your body, but maybe thats what it takes.
Whatever this world sends our way, we will stand together to face it and deal with it, so we can get on with our bloody motorcycling
Best thing I can do is support both Chris and his children, which is a pleasure to do

[MSTRS]

His sentence will be for his life...until he can't take it anymore.

:niceone: the punishment needs to fit

[enigma51]

:niceone: the punishment needs to fit

Fully agree

[Fatjim]

:niceone: the punishment needs to fit

But the broom handle needn't.

[Mikkel]

But the broom handle needn't.

And neither can there be any complaints if said handle has been sanded free of splinters before insertion...

[enigma51]

And neither can there be any complaints if said handle has been sanded free of splinters before insertion...

soap in a sock leaves no marks!

[Strider]

It’s the whole bloody system that screwed not just at the police end. It goes all the way up to the Beehive dicks that give more rights to the ass wipes that commit the crimes and no rights to the victims. Know matter how angry you feel. It won’t make it any better if you take the law into your own hands with pricks like that. At a time like this you need to think of your daughter who needs a lot of support with the damage that has been done to her psychologically.

[DMNTD]

:niceone: the punishment needs to fit

Don't know if you've realised yet but I'm quite possibly one of the seediest(and loveliest :sunny:) bastards you'll ever meet.
He was better off going to jail.

[MSTRS]

Don't know if you've realised yet but I'm quite possibly one of the seediest(and loveliest :sunny:) bastards you'll ever meet.
He was better off going to jail.

*best Sybil Fawlty voice* mmm...yessss....I know....

[Unit]

Don't know if you've realised yet but I'm quite possibly one of the seediest(and loveliest :sunny:) bastards you'll ever meet.
He was better off going to jail.
I've already claimed the 'loveliest bastard' bit, :love:

[DougieNZ]

To those of you who count (and you know who you are) thank you for the support and awesome kind words.
To the rest, I hope for your sake you never have to endure such trauma in order to find your empathy bone in your body, but maybe thats what it takes.
Whatever this world sends our way, we will stand together to face it and deal with it, so we can get on with our bloody motorcycling
Best thing I can do is support both Chris and his children, which is a pleasure to do

To say I don't have empathy would be incorrect. I won't go in to the reasons why.

What I do tire of a little is the:

"All Police are dickheads"
"All Judiciary and Lawyers are paedofiles"
"All politicians are worthless"

Argument.

As I have said, some balance is required. If we judge all people by the actions of a very few, then we have got it wrong. We are the first to jump up and down when anyone trys to "tar us with the same brush" as motorcyclists, are we not?

I wish you all he best in your quest for justice. I hope you find it.

[Usarka]

To say I don't have empathy would be incorrect. I won't go in to the reasons why.

What I do tire of a little is the:

"All Police are dickheads"
"All Judiciary and Lawyers are paedofiles"
"All politicians are worthless"

I think if you truly had empathy you would excuse any such comments from someone in this situation.

[DougieNZ]

I think if you truly had empathy you would excuse any such comments from someone in this situation.

Correct... I do from the people directly involved. I can understand how they feel. In fact one has made it clear that it wasn't a blanket "go" at the police.


I don't from the others....

[Quartermile]

To say I don't have empathy would be incorrect. I won't go in to the reasons why.

What I do tire of a little is the:

"All Police are dickheads"
"All Judiciary and Lawyers are paedofiles"
"All politicians are worthless"

Argument.

As I have said, some balance is required. If we judge all people by the actions of a very few, then we have got it wrong. We are the first to jump up and down when anyone trys to "tar us with the same brush" as motorcyclists, are we not?

I wish you all he best in your quest for justice. I hope you find it.
I think your a dumb ass, Have you never once when pissed off and I mean really pissed off made a statement that isn't entirely the truth to I dunno maybe just fricken VENT???

[Goblin]

....Argument.

As I have said, some balance is required. If we judge all people by the actions of a very few, then we have got it wrong. We are the first to jump up and down when anyone trys to "tar us with the same brush" as motorcyclists, are we not?

I wish you all he best in your quest for justice. I hope you find it.
I dont believe there is any argument as no one here has said that all police are dickheads or all judges and lawyers are pedophiles etc. Just the ones in this case.

[DMNTD]

I dont believe there is any argument as no one here has said that all police are dickheads or all judges and lawyers are pedophiles etc. Just the ones in this case.

Indeed,I've just read the whole thread for the first time and see no blanketing so to speak.
However my thread title did indicate that I didn't like all of the Police which isn't quite true...only the ones involved in this case and naturally the Ginga twat that patrols the North Shore and beyond...ok and several others too but I prolly deserved what they were trying to dish out.
FUCK THE KAIKOHE POLICE AND THE PEDO LOVING JUDGE :mad:

[spudchucka]

Yes it was "proven" as you say but as the Police didn't turn up on the day,did not get an up to date victims report and some other things which I won't go into online at this stage,this meant that the offender that ended up admitting his guilt after fucking everyone around for 18+months got a minimal sentence instead of what he did deserve.
I didn't mean to imply that ALL of NZ's Police are hopeless as I know for a fact that not all are,however when fucked up BS like this happens it makes a father of a then 11y/o girl VERY FUCKED OFF,obviously.

My daughter has been sentenced to a life of shit because of this cunt.
His sentence will be for his life...until he can't take it anymore.

Please don't think I was trying to minimise the seriousness of this matter or the effects its had on your daughter and the rest of your Whanau. I'm a father too and if it happened to my daughter I'm not sure if I could wait 18 months to see justice not served either.

You know, the justice system is a funny bloody game that gets played out every single day in this country. Obviously guilty people delay cases by pleading not guilty and forcing victims to go through all the various stages of court hearings until they reach the day of the trial only to have the scrote roll over at the last minute. Its a defence tactic that sometimes gets played to catch the prosecution and the courts off guard.

[Bikernereid]

Can I please just throw in my two pennith- 10-1 I will get blasted for it.

I would think that althought everyone has differing opinions regarding the Criminal Justice System (sorry don't know NZ name for it) we all can agree that DMTD, UNIT and daughter are going through a hellish time. It is a time when people should unite & support each other rather than divide and attack one other.

It is when people unite that changes can be made. People don't have to share the same reasons for change but just want to improve things (sentencing etc).

[MSTRS]

Please don't think I was trying to minimise the seriousness of this matter or the effects its had on your daughter and the rest of your Whanau. I'm a father too and if it happened to my daughter I'm not sure if I could wait 18 months to see justice not served either.



Ditto. If it was you in that situation, how unemotional would you be?.
For the record, Pedant, as a term, has nothing to do with Paedophile or Pederast.

[Strider]

Give the freaks the Frikin BASH!

[Swoop]

You two are good decent folks and for those who don't know you: Do not presume to know someone by the way they come across on here.
DMNTD & Unit have never come across as anything other than genuine, nice folks.
It appears as if a weekload of shit has fallen in one day. Respect to you both for how you have stood up to it all.

[Lissa]

If it was me in this situation, and it was one of my daughters.... hell have no fury like a mother scorned... I would want to rip his balls off, and generally make it so the rest of his life he only experiences pain.

Unfortuantly there are people out in the community who are a waste of space, waste of life, they don't care about others or what effect their behavior has. They repeatably harm others, they repeatably drink and drive and kill/injure others with no remorse.

The very thought of someone touching or hurting one of my children is something I would never want to have to deal with, but if I did have to, watch out! As parents our only wish for our children is to grow up balanced and healthy and to protect them from all that is wrong with the world. I am so sorry about your daughter DMNTD, and Unit ... all I can offer is a cyber :hug:

[spudchucka]

Ditto. If it was you in that situation, how unemotional would you be?.
For the record, Pedant, as a term, has nothing to do with Paedophile or Pederast.

I know what pedant means, idiot.

[MSTRS]

I know what pedant means, idiot.

Actually pedant doesn't mean idiot, other than in the loosest terms.
Your senses of humour, empathy and community have obviously suffered a frontal lobotomy. Is this something reqd for membership in the Farce, along with one-fingered typing?

[Pussy]

DMNTD & Unit have never come across as anything other than genuine, nice folks.
It appears as if a weekload of shit has fallen in one day. Respect to you both for how you have stood up to it all.

+1000. :niceone:

[spudchucka]

Actually pedant doesn't mean idiot, other than in the loosest terms.
Your senses of humour, empathy and community have obviously suffered a frontal lobotomy. Is this something reqd for membership in the Farce, along with one-fingered typing?

The word "idiot" was used entirely as a reference to you. I'm terribly sorry if I mislead you into believing otherwise.

[MSTRS]

Take it elsewhere, sunshine. This is not a thread for you to vent about what you think of me.

[spudchucka]

Take it elsewhere, sunshine. This is not a thread for you to vent about what you think of me.

Look back and see who took the first shot. You're just a typical moaning twat who can't take what they dish out.

[Rogue]

now now girls :girlfight: this isnt about you :argh: its about the system and dealing with a situation that I personally hope I will never have too :sweatdrop

I like to think that the justice system and the police do a great job one that I wouldnt do for all the tea in china.

sure once in a while they get the sentencing wrong but he is the one with the coviction and if it gets out to the public/neighbours I wouldnt like to be in his shoes

so many arseholes not enough bullets

[Patrick]

Unsure how this is the cops fault... not sticking up for it, as I don't know the full story, but as I have read on here, the gripe appears about being available for the plea but not being called in, the lack of an updated victim impact report and as an aside, one claim about Police releasing a sexo on bail, to the detriment of the young victim who went on to commit suicide.

They got the arsewipe and he eventually pleaded guilty. 7 months home D is not a sentence. It is pathetic.

Unlike mine, (not the cops fault either BTW) at least there is a result of sorts in your matter....

- Cops don't dish out the sentence... I bet they would like to...
- There would have been a victim impact report on there early in the piece... If nothing had changed, that original one can still be used, but if it needed to be updated and added to, the judge could have delayed sentencing (remanded in custody too...), for a very short time, for that to happen. (Fair enough, the cop should have just done it... but the victims views were already recorded???? The lack of an "updated version" should not affect the sentence in any way).
- Cops don't bail sexo offenders... it has to be done by a high court judge only... His bail would be opposed by Police, but...

If the cops have stuffed up, take it up with the IPCA....

Has the "result" been discussed with the Crown Solicitors? Worth pursuing an appeal so a realistic sentence is given?

Look after the little un. Don't dwell on, or do anything that will make her miss out on her dad.