Road rage incident

[gtr boy]

was crusin down border rd henderson,came up behind a rogers earthworks 4x4 ute
moari dude in side talking on cell phone doin 40k/hr
over take and pull up in front off him
the fuka starts abusing me ,gets so close i could touch his ute...........pulls up beside me on my left and starts acting like hes gunna wipe me out


fuk this ,i chop down 2 or 3 and im gone ,overtaking two cars to split...
this fuka has passed these two cars as well and is coming for me,right up my ass still abusing me........
we pull up to round a bout and hes on my left again "you fukn white piece of shit ,fuk you azzhole ,what the fuk you think your doin ....etc etc
by this time im goin OFF as well,fukn call me a white piece of shit will he

so we take off up forrest hill road and hes all over me again with his ROGERS earthworks ute
enoughs enough...............
i pull over to stop and what do you know so does he..........
ive just got my stand down and he comes running towards me still abusing me..........
i get off me bike and think f this im gettin in first so ...bang,bang biff smash hes got 4 or 5 in the head with my bike gloves on with the kevlar hard as nails bit on them.......
hes swing back at me its all on.
witnesses turn up in cool the situation down while cops turn up

anyway,end of story im done for assault and hes getting done for disturbing the peace,and dangerous driving.
hope the coont gets his license takn off him ......

[candor]

What an a**hole. Hope he does lose license. You could always complain to the race relaions conciliator but they might say you got even :Pokey:.

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[LilSel]

:corn::corn:

What an ass!... So you were just supposed to wait for him to take you out first? Be sure to call the number Steam just posted n speak to his boss!
Cant use cell phones unless they are on handsfree kits, if a customfleet vehicle etc as well

[cynna]

fucken wanker.

hope you get off on self defence or diversion or something. how can you get done for assault when u got some wanker ready to have a go at you... that sucks

a few years ago i had a similar situation and got off on diversion - thats unless you have already used it

hope the fucker is nursing a sore head now. at least your knuckles were padded

[Str8 Jacket]

What a wanker, lucky that he didnt hit you with his ute while you were riding. You'd have been much worse off! You should've head butted him with your helmet on as well. That would've made the assault charge worth it!

[Usarka]

yeah might be worth getting a lawyer if u can. No doubt you stopped because you figured it would be safer than being run off the road or hitting a power pole......:innocent: Then you feared for your safety as this apparently psychotic person came running at you.....

I hope you got some good knocks in.

[TimeOut]

What an a-hole, why the hell were you charged, bastard had shown intend to beat the crap outa you! he stopped after you and came looking for trouble, think he got more than he bargined on.

Well done, Follow up with his employer.

[MisterD]

...bang,bang biff smash hes got 4 or 5 in the head with my bike gloves on with the kevlar hard as nails bit on them.......


Best advert yet for ATGATT....yep, play up the fear level from his driving and go for self defence...

[Trudes]

Best advert yet for ATGATT.......

Just what I was going to say!
Mental note, if about to engage in a fist fight, put on motorcycle gear first!

[MisterD]

Just what I was going to say!
Mental note, if about to engage in a fist fight, put on motorcycle gear first!

Why to get a full-face helmet: you can hold it by the chin bar and batter the toe-rag.

[UberRhys]

Just what I was going to say!
Mental note, if about to engage in a fist fight, put on motorcycle gear first!
Why to get a full-face helmet: you can hold it by the chin bar and batter the toe-rag.

Leave it on the melon and make the hardest bone in the body harder dishing out the Vinnie Jones head-butt. :Punk: :headbang:

[EJK]

Fuck yeah! you go man! Kick his ass!

I'll be damned! :D You really rock!

I've read so many "I warned this car driver" thread but nothing like this! This is pure! :D

[tri boy]

That assault charge will look good next to your name. Hope it was worth it.
(I'm not slagging out your actions, been there myself actually. But having an assault charge against you can restrict opportunities. Next time, count to ten, an get on with life).:cool:

[Coldrider]

That assault charge will look good next to your name. Hope it was worth it.
(I'm not slagging out your actions, been there myself actually. But having an assault charge against you can restrict opportunities. Next time, count to ten, an get on with life).:cool:
Yep, agreed, should have let him hit you first, then the rest is self defence, using only appropriate force of course.

[EJK]

Yep, agreed, should have let him hit you first, then the rest is self defence, using only appropriate force of course.

Guess we all biker can learn from your post, till our time :soon:

[Big Dave]

Sorry about your troubles gtr.

My cheap advice is that if i find myself in similar situation now, I just chuck a U turn, ride up the footpath - whatever - ignore the losers, exit the situation and head to where I'm going another way.

I know that no matter what happens that makes me the winner. Life ain't worth the pain of even acknowledging the fucktards.

[Mikkel]

That's pretty hairy! :eek:

Anyway, I am sure that anyone - especially a reasonable person, e.g. a judge - would be understanding of how scary it would be being threatened with a vehicle and having abuse yelled at you. As such, if you in your state of near-panic react more violently than what is reasonable, you might be able to defend your assault charge.

Good luck with it - I hope you managed to break a few things on the idiot so he will remember how much riding gloves hurt for a while.

[Xile]

what a fucker! Hopefully he did not use his ute ey...

but man, good on you for showing him ey! Would have love seeing this!
Violence is bad...but so good to show some idiots! :devil2:

[gtr boy]

That assault charge will look good next to your name. Hope it was worth it.
(I'm not slagging out your actions, been there myself actually. But having an assault charge against you can restrict opportunities. Next time, count to ten, an get on with life).:cool:
yeah i agree , but i tryed to gap it but he persisted in his actions.even when i stop he was still going at me and grab my shoulder.
thats when he got the knock.
ive got a witness to the whole thing,told the cop in my statement that it was selfdefence,two or three times
cop was pretty good over all but he said because i didnt try and calm the situation down before i swung at him ,just went at it he had to charge me with assault.....
was gunna plead guilty but the more i think about it the more i want to fight it
will talk with the wife and take it from there.

[ghost]

Crimes Act 1961.
48. "Self defence and defence of another - Every one is justified in using, in the defence of himself or another, such force as, in the circumstances as he believes them to be, it is reasonable to use."



but get our self a good lawyer... If he grabbed you first "assaulted you" you only did what was needed to "defend" your self in the circumstances that you beleived them to be, IE verbal abuse, vehicular assault, physical assault......

[tri boy]

Write a few apologetic letters to cops/court etc. Anything to get the charge reduced to something less severe.
Amazing what a bit of remorse can achieve with the "beak", (judge).

[ghost]

Write a few apologetic letters to cops/court etc. Anything to get the charge reduced to something less severe.
Amazing what a bit of remorse can achieve with the "beak", (judge).

Fuck the apologetic letter fella, stand up for your rights. About time someone took a stand for common sense. The judge should throw the case out and tell the police prosecutor to fuck off and stop wasting court time........ easy for me to say from the keyboard I know, but this fecks me of no end, so someone got aggro, someone got a punch in the head for their efforts, might make a few people think more before they want to nut off at a motorcyclist..................

[Mikkel]

You can still claim self-defense with success even if you threw the first punch! :yes:

[Gubb]

Get a bunch of people to complain (i.e. KBers) about the incident to the company, get his ass fired.

[tri boy]

Get a bunch of people to complain (i.e. KBers) about the incident to the company, get his ass fired.

Why should the poor Donkey cop it.

[jonbuoy]

You can still claim self-defense with success even if you threw the first punch! :yes:

Yup thats as I understand it from my old martial arts instructor - under NZ law - if you believe you are under threat and about to be attacked you are within your rights defend yourself within reason. Get a decent lawyer before making a statement, they will pay for themselves in the long run.

[DarkLord]

Fuck that makes me so angry to read. That's so unfair. Some fucken psycho comes and starts fully threatening you, all you do is try and counter the threat and you get in trouble as well. Where is the justice in that??

What the fuck kind of a country do we live in where people like that get treated better than people who never set out to hurt anyone. I don't get their attitudes. Who the fuck makes them think they can just start hurling abuse at people for next to nothing, even though they are wrong, and yet they still try and defend their worthless, rotten selves. It's fucking bullshit, man.

We need tougher laws in this country against people like that but of course it won't happen will it. The rest of us have to live in fear that we'll piss someone off and this will happen, especially when we're on a bike as this makes us so much more vulnerable. What would you do if he rammed you off the road?!? You could be dead!! And that fucker would probably get off on a nice cushy sentence somehow, so some other poor innocent cant be hurt.

Admittedly I'm in kind of a shit mood right now, but man I can't help but get so angry when shit like this happens.

I'm real sorry this has happened to you, man. I dunno what I would have done if it was me. It's a very frightening thought because I wouldn't want to be humiliated by running away but wouldn't want to get in trouble for fighting back. Why do fucking arseholes like that have to make their own problems everyone elses, then we all have to suffer.

Let us know how it turns out.

/rant

[Goblin]

Just thank your lucky stars you weren't a chef with a big knife...on a bus...being assaulted by a gang of them. Good luck with the court proceedings.

[98tls]

Mate if you grab a cops shoulder or any other part of him then your done for assulting a police officer (if he/she deems it so) so am guessing that by grabbing you then the guy has commited the assault and as you say the rest is self defence,if me i wouldnt lie down,may cost but definately worth getting a lawyer and defending it.

[Finn]

Maori's are a protected species. You are not allowed to harm them in any way. This includes verbal abuse. You should have taken a beating like a man and respected his cultural beliefs.

[Mikkel]

Yup thats as I understand it from my old martial arts instructor - under NZ law - if you believe you are under threat and about to be attacked you are within your rights defend yourself within reason. Get a decent lawyer before making a statement, they will pay for themselves in the long run.

Yeah, that's how it is most places.

A good argument for striking once and striking really really hard. ("But I only hit him once your honour - are you suggesting I just stand there and take it?")
Or even better - don't punch, just grab and throw... Gravity is a harsh teacher, I can assure you of this :yes:

[jonbuoy]

Yeah, that's how it is most places.

A good argument for striking once and striking really really hard. ("But I only hit him once your honour - are you suggesting I just stand there and take it?")
Or even better - don't punch, just grab and throw... Gravity is a harsh teacher, I can assure you of this :yes:

Yeah thats what I got told - if you strike as your defence its not looked on favorably but still within your rights.

[BIGBOSSMAN]

Yep, agreed, should have let him hit you first, then the rest is self defence, using only appropriate force of course.

WTF? This guy could have been a gorilla! Fuck that, swing to drop the cunt first. I'll not hesitate after my experience (headbutted by a Headhunter gangmember).

[avgas]

After working in that industry a few moons ago i'm not really supprised. Shit-for-brains is all too common on some of the lazy pricks that were on the end of shovels (or a EX200!!!!)

[YellowDog]

This is serious stuff. You should NEVER let someone hit you first. It could be a 'lights out' situation.

You have to choose to either attack by trying to get the first punch in OR defend by making sure his windpipe makes contact with your boot as you attempt to block his charge.

Getting hit is not one of those two options.

You cannot be prosecuted for assult if someone has got out of their vehicle to fight you.

Good luck.

[Mikkel]

This is serious stuff. You should NEVER let someone hit you first. It could be a 'lights out' situation.

You have to choose to either attack by trying to get the first punch in OR defend by making sure his windpipe makes contact with your boot as you attempt to block his charge.

Getting hit is not one of those two options.

You cannot be prosecuted for assult if someone has got out of their vehicle to fight you.

Good luck.

Good point there.

If you can prove that you didn't approach his vehicle - but that he came at you, then you should be about half way there to prove self-defense! If the altercation happened near your motorcycle and not the ute then that should be easy.

Did the cops get statements from the both of you at the roadside? Did you cover positioning?

[Manxman]

yeah i agree , but i tryed to gap it but he persisted in his actions.even when i stop he was still going at me and grab my shoulder.
thats when he got the knock.
ive got a witness to the whole thing,told the cop in my statement that it was selfdefence,two or three times
cop was pretty good over all but he said because i didnt try and calm the situation down before i swung at him ,just went at it he had to charge me with assault.....
was gunna plead guilty but the more i think about it the more i want to fight it
will talk with the wife and take it from there.

..that stinks man. You should press for more charges to be laid in his direction, relating to the threatening manner in which he followed you (including the dangerous driving bit to pass two cars, etc).

Not to mention the racist remarks.

Not to mention the lack of due care and attention he was paying to his driving whilst on his cellphone in the first place.

Get a lawyer and go for the f*ckas jugular...

With regard to the "should have tried to calm the situation" bit from the cop...learn from that and next time: get off bike, mumble some calming words in his direction....then climb into him.

Good luck dude.

[Manxman]

Get a bunch of people to complain (i.e. KBers) about the incident to the company, get his ass fired.
I'm in...(.) 10

[98tls]

Get a bunch of people to complain (i.e. KBers) about the incident to the company, get his ass fired. :Oi:Fuck that then we all get to pay his wages.

[HTFU]

Mate if you grab a cops shoulder or any other part of him then your done for assulting a police officer (if he/she deems it so) so am guessing that by grabbing you then the guy has commited the assault and as you say the rest is self defence,if me i wouldnt lie down,may cost but definately worth getting a lawyer and defending it.

agree with this.

Plus - also think about the events leading up to him getting pissed off at you. Anything you do in the wrong - just make sure your case is watertight and have a statement for every senario he will try and get you on.

Example for his argument to judge - You cut him off, he says you have done other stuff on bike after this (swerve at him etc) and then assault him.

Good luck.

[ElCoyote]

Yup thats as I understand it from my old martial arts instructor - under NZ law - if you believe you are under threat and about to be attacked you are within your rights defend yourself within reason. Get a decent lawyer before making a statement, they will pay for themselves in the long run.


That's correct Jonbuoy, I have had this argument in court and won. "If you reasonably believe" and by his actions you had every reason to believe. And indeed why stand and wait for a king hit just to justify defending yourself. Good on you dude. :yes::yes::yes:

[ElCoyote]

Mate if you grab a cops shoulder or any other part of him then your done for assulting a police officer (if he/she deems it so) so am guessing that by grabbing you then the guy has commited the assault and as you say the rest is self defence,if me i wouldnt lie down,may cost but definately worth getting a lawyer and defending it.


What about a collection for the man? The spirit of KB etc.............

[Manxman]

What about a collection for the man? The spirit of KB etc.............

That man deserves a DB.

Flippancy aside, I'd be happy to put in once costs are known and paid, just on principle alone.

[98tls]

What about a collection for the man? The spirit of KB etc............. Yea what the hell,i will put in $20 although i dont want it seen as some kind of anti cop thing,the way i see it the cop did his job as he must on the spur of the moment but i dont believe its the right decision,my $20 will be given on the facts being as outlined in the first post and to see the txting psycho put in his place,if someone wants to organize it then pm me with an account to put it in etc.

[gtr boy]

just talkn to chris hocquard,great guy,does the free legal bit every thursday on bfm
were going to enter no plea,get a stand down for two weeks or so and wait for the rogers guy,john matthews,to get charged
then go from there
chris said cops would have charged me with "assault",so as i was in the system and the courts can sort out the rest.......:wacko:

cheers for all your input ,comments guys and girls ,top notch....:niceone:

[Mikkel]

What about a collection for the man? The spirit of KB etc.............

I thought you would be provided with judical assistance if you were charged with a criminal offense here in NZ.

Is it not so?

[gtr boy]

Good point there.

If you can prove that you didn't approach his vehicle - but that he came at you, then you should be about half way there to prove self-defense! If the altercation happened near your motorcycle and not the ute then that should be easy.

Did the cops get statements from the both of you at the roadside? Did you cover positioning?
was still getting my kick stand down and he was three steeps away from me.
looks like ive got a case.
cops got all details ,the cop that took me to the cop shop said good on me as well ......

[Mikkel]

was still getting my kick stand down and he was three steeps away from me.
looks like ive got a case.
cops got all details ,the cop that took me to the cop shop said good on me as well ......

In that case I think you'll be sweet mate! :niceone:

Could be a routine matter of charging the person who strikes the first blow with assault - any resident coppers who can comment on this?

From the rather aggresive/borderline psycopathic behaviour blood and urine tests might be in order to establish whether drugs could be involved. :yes:

[ElCoyote]

I thought you would be provided with judical assistance if you were charged with a criminal offense here in NZ.

Is it not so?

If you are referring to legal aid, you need to be of the ethnicity of the offender and/or without a job. Cultivating, armed thuggery or breaking and entering are non work related activities. Our man is on a hiding to nothing.

[quallman1234]

Faster bike needed?

[Manxman]

Yea what the hell,i will put in $20 although i dont want it seen as some kind of anti cop thing,the way i see it the cop did his job as he must on the spur of the moment but i dont believe its the right decision,my $20 will be given on the facts being as outlined in the first post and to see the txting psycho put in his place,if someone wants to organize it then pm me with an account to put it in etc.
More like anti road rage d*ckhead from what I see, not anti cop.

[Nagash]

Good on yah Craig.. need to get me some armoured gloves..

[imdying]

This is serious stuff. You should NEVER let someone hit you first. It could be a 'lights out' situation.As much as I hate to say it, this is the reason why Big Dave is the only one making real sense here. Whack some arsehole that truly deserves it right in the snout, potentially you can kill them... weak heart, whatever. Can't imagine doing time over some loser that you could have avoided would be much fun. Unless you can do away with the body, much better off running... but don't chop it up and put it in a suitcase, that's been proven not to work :spanking:

[mstriumph]

Sorry about your troubles gtr.

My cheap advice is that if i find myself in similar situation now, I just chuck a U turn, ride up the footpath - whatever - ignore the losers, exit the situation and head to where I'm going another way.

I know that no matter what happens that makes me the winner. Life ain't worth the pain of even acknowledging the fucktards.

what he said ......understandable you were riled but ...... you have options on a bike most 4 wheels don't have :rolleyes:

[marty]

It's called preemptive strike. I can't remember the case law, but I know a few cops that have got off being charged with assault by using it. If your options to retreat/escape are limited, and the situation was one that you may have been able to avoid in the first place, then defence via pre-emptive strike may be your best course of action.

[madandy]

Crimes Act 1961.
48. "Self defence and defence of another - Every one is justified in using, in the defence of himself or another, such force as, in the circumstances as he believes them to be, it is reasonable to use."



but get our self a good lawyer... If he grabbed you first "assaulted you" you only did what was needed to "defend" your self in the circumstances that you beleived them to be, IE verbal abuse, vehicular assault, physical assault......


Fuck the apologetic letter fella, stand up for your rights. About time someone took a stand for common sense. The judge should throw the case out and tell the police prosecutor to fuck off and stop wasting court time........ easy for me to say from the keyboard I know, but this fecks me of no end, so someone got aggro, someone got a punch in the head for their efforts, might make a few people think more before they want to nut off at a motorcyclist..................


Mate if you grab a cops shoulder or any other part of him then your done for assulting a police officer (if he/she deems it so) so am guessing that by grabbing you then the guy has commited the assault and as you say the rest is self defence,if me i wouldnt lie down,may cost but definately worth getting a lawyer and defending it.


Maori's are a protected species. You are not allowed to harm them in any way. This includes verbal abuse. You should have taken a beating like a man and respected his cultural beliefs.


Yeah, that's how it is most places.

A good argument for striking once and striking really really hard. ("But I only hit him once your honour - are you suggesting I just stand there and take it?")
Or even better - don't punch, just grab and throw... Gravity is a harsh teacher, I can assure you of this :yes:


WTF? This guy could have been a gorilla! Fuck that, swing to drop the cunt first. I'll not hesitate after my experience (headbutted by a Headhunter gangmember).


This is serious stuff. You should NEVER let someone hit you first. It could be a 'lights out' situation.

You have to choose to either attack by trying to get the first punch in OR defend by making sure his windpipe makes contact with your boot as you attempt to block his charge.

Getting hit is not one of those two options.

You cannot be prosecuted for assult if someone has got out of their vehicle to fight you.

Good luck.


As much as I hate to say it, this is the reason why Big Dave is the only one making real sense here. Whack some arsehole that truly deserves it right in the snout, potentially you can kill them... weak heart, whatever. Can't imagine doing time over some loser that you could have avoided would be much fun. Unless you can do away with the body, much better off running... but don't chop it up and put it in a suitcase, that's been proven not to work :spanking:


Sorry about your troubles gtr.

My cheap advice is that if i find myself in similar situation now, I just chuck a U turn, ride up the footpath - whatever - ignore the losers, exit the situation and head to where I'm going another way.

I know that no matter what happens that makes me the winner. Life ain't worth the pain of even acknowledging the fucktards.

I have to agree with all of the above because they are all how I would feel in the same situation, depending on my mood.
Emotionally I would wish bad things to happen to the bastard.
But ultimately Big Dave is on the money.
Pull a U-turn & get the fuck outta there. He may have been a real mean brawler.
Alternatively you could have taken one for the team and cut the cunt's throat. :innocent:

Good luck with the defence and glad you walked away unhurt.

[sAsLEX]

,just went at it he had to charge me with assault.....


Then he would of had to have charged the other guy as well



chris said cops would have charged me with "assault",so as i was in the system and the courts can sort out the rest.......:wacko:


Yeah discretion...... shame they don't teach that anymore



cops got all details ,the cop that took me to the cop shop said good on me as well ......

And you still get charged, go NZ! Where the victims get done by the crims and then the courts!

[BiK3RChiK]

Chin up, mate! Sounds like it could get withdrawn if you ask me... Probably had to show the loser he was doing his job.

M

[Big Dave]

Pull a U-turn & get the fuck outta there. He may have been a real mean brawler.


Or has fried parts of his brain to gelatenous corridors of mush with a glass pipe and can use two tons of metal as a weapon.

It's hard to do, laugh and ride away, even harder if you can handle yourself, but where gtr is turns out to be one of the favourable outcomes. (not on your case gtr - respec - annoyed you are charged)

I've scouted every path, laneway, cycleway and exit route in greater Auckland that I can find. Why I have an urban ADV bike and you never know who you might need to duck. :-)

[Mumbles]

Nice one mate!
Glad you or someone else didn't get killed as a result of his driving
only other thing to be said?

:not: :not: :not: :not: :not: :not:

(Glad I moved out of the big smoke of Glen Eden, more than once had this sort of thing happen to me.... but I'm a chicken)

[Swoop]

gtr boy.
Sit down right now, and write out clearly and concisely ALL of the events that transpired through the entire incident, right up to the cops arriving on the scene.
You must do this now.
The time that the court system will take will start to blur your memory.

Write it all down now.

Everything that was said. Every threatening action (especially involving the vehicle, as this was the first assault that you were having to defend yourself from).
It might be possible for the communications record to be obtained for the phonecall that said dickhead was on at the time. Commencement of call plus duration of that call.
The copper will have noted the time he/she/they arrived on the scene in their notebook.

Did I mention that you have to write this down NOW???
Also: put a time and date of when you wrote all this down on the paper.

[Mikkel]

gtr boy.
Sit down right now, and write out clearly and concisely ALL of the events that transpired through the entire incident, right up to the cops arriving on the scene.
You must do this now.
The time that the court system will take will start to blur your memory.

Write it all down now.

Everything that was said. Every threatening action (especially involving the vehicle, as this was the first assault that you were having to defend yourself from).
It might be possible for the communications record to be obtained for the phonecall that said dickhead was on at the time. Commencement of call plus duration of that call.
The copper will have noted the time he/she/they arrived on the scene in their notebook.

Did I mention that you have to write this down NOW???
Also: put a time and date of when you wrote all this down on the paper.

+1 <----HE'S FUCKING SERIOUS! :yes:

...and right too!

[westie]

[QUOTE=Mikkel;1480298]+1 <----HE'S FUCKING SERIOUS! :yes:
QUOTE]

Can you see his serious face?


Lay a major(way bigger than normal) complaint with his work. The phone number is

Duncan Evans
Finance Manager
P 09 837 5600

[homer]

Yep always get hit first ....
But fuck me thats the way to do it
kick his black ass

[YellowDog]

Maori's are a protected species. You are not allowed to harm them in any way. This includes verbal abuse. You should have taken a beating like a man and respected his cultural beliefs.
I know a lot of regular Maori guys. Straight shooters, no problems.

I don't think we can judge this dickhead by his parentage or tar all others with the same brush.

Maybe you can the guy in trouble with his firm by making a complaint to them?

[Finn]

I know a lot of regular Maori guys. Straight shooters, no problems.

I don't think we can judge this dickhead by his parentage or tar all others with the same brush.

Did you come up with that all by yourself? Well done chap, top of the class.

[Steam]

Lay a major(way bigger than normal) complaint with his work. The phone number is

Duncan Evans
Finance Manager
P 09 837 5600

Is that the number of the road-rager guy's manager, or ...? If the road-rager was in an Earthworks division ute then would his manager be the Finance Manager? I dunno how big companies work.

[Finn]

[QUOTE=Mikkel;1480298]+1 <----HE'S FUCKING SERIOUS! :yes:
QUOTE]

Can you see his serious face?


Lay a major(way bigger than normal) complaint with his work. The phone number is

Duncan Evans
Finance Manager
P 09 837 5600

What's the Finance Manager going to do?

[Donor]

What's the Finance Manager going to do?

Scold him, and take away his fuel card?

[Robbo]

If i interperet your first post correctly, was'nt this asshole using his vehicle as a weapon?
If so, then was this noted by the cops? I still don't understand why you were charged with assault as it appears obvious to me that it was self defence. I guess that they had fuck all to do and had to fill their notebooks up today.
I normally don't knock them but this seems totally unreasonable given the circumstances. Would they rather this fuckwit had knocked you off your bike and then run you over?
It certainly appears that way. They should be putting their time and effort into rounding these gangs that are currently going around Auckland and Really Assaulting innocent people for No reason at all. Guess that is too hard for them.
:angry2:

[homer]

If i interperet your first post correctly, was'nt this asshole using his vehicle as a weapon?
If so, then was this noted by the cops? I still don't understand why you were charged with assault as it appears obvious to me that it was self defence. I guess that they had fuck all to do and had to fill their notebooks up today.
I normally don't knock them but this seems totally unreasonable given the circumstances. Would they rather this fuckwit had knocked you off your bike and then run you over?
It certainly appears that way. They should be putting their time and effort into rounding these gangs that are currently going around Auckland and Really Assaulting innocent people for No reason at all. Guess that is too hard for them.
:angry2:

You may find its just a formality
maybe not charged at all for an assault

[mv.senna]

[quote=westie;1480429]

What's the Finance Manager going to do?


Good point Finn and Westie. Possibly this company might have some safe driving policies or H&S type policies that driving and using a cellphone violates. certainly the issue at hand - i.e road rage, dangerous driving charge etc should be enough to prompt disciplinary action, and, depending on their company policies & their employee's history, perhaps dismissal.

Would've thought HR dept might be more appropriate point of contact - or better still H&S advisor if they have one.

Of course, this might be one of the sloppy operators so prevalent in NZ who have no interest in doing anything properly...and don't give a shit that one of their guys has done something like this in one of their company vehicles...but if that's the case then they should be "known" to some of my work colleagues...i will make some enquiries at work tomorrow and see if these guys are being "coached".

on another note, really great to see the awesome advice and comments being offered by kb-ers, nice to note the absence of soap-boxes.... big ups to big-dave for his respectful thoughts. :clap:

[heyjoe]

The guy in the ute sounds like a real dick. Good to see his firm being given some publicity about their employees behaviour in public as their representative. :nono:

I wish ya all the best for seeing this guy get some form of slapping by the courts and you having your charge withdrawn. Good luck mate.

[westie]

[QUOTE=westie;1480429]

What's the Finance Manager going to do?

Been in contact with him and he is very concerned and wants to kick some arse.
Thats all.

[Waxxa]

Fantastic GTR boy! One up for the good guys, well done in my books!
As someone has said, they used their ute as a weapon, he came at you in an agressive manner and fearing for your saftey, you defended yourself and your property.

[Okey Dokey]

I've just read this thread and wanted to say that I am so glad that you are physically okay. Not run over or head-butted and stomped on.

I was in a scary situation once with an angry man coming towards me. I had pulled over to talk through a roadragey moment. The guy was all bulked up and red in the face striding up as I pulled my helmet off. I could see the confusion as his brain registered: THE BIKER IS FEMALE!

I could see him get hold of himself and try to physically cool it. We did sort things out fine.

BUT next time there is no way I would stop and take the chance that the guy would be chivalrous and not hit a girl. It never even occurred to me that the guy would be so worked up.

Anyhoo, just really glad you are okay and hope that you soon have your clean slate back.

[TOTO]

Gtr Boy, are there any updates in the case ?

[gtr boy]

got the court case tomorrow,we"ll see how we go.
will let you know.

[TOTO]

Fingers crossed for you brother :yeah:

[gtr boy]

cheers mate

[martybabe]

Second the motion. Good luck mate. :niceone:

[madandy]

Good luck man!!!

[EJK]

Good luck! Go and kick his ass!

[GIXser]

yeah i agree , but i tryed to gap it but he persisted in his actions.even when i stop he was still going at me and grab my shoulder.
thats when he got the knock.
ive got a witness to the whole thing,told the cop in my statement that it was selfdefence,two or three times
cop was pretty good over all but he said because i didnt try and calm the situation down before i swung at him ,just went at it he had to charge me with assault.....
was gunna plead guilty but the more i think about it the more i want to fight it
will talk with the wife and take it from there.

mate do NOT plead guilty, say it was self defense, quote what he was yelling and tell the judge you feared for your life if you stayed on the bike, and when you stopped he came at you, tell them you were very afraid and felt there was no option , you had allready tried to get away..

trust me,, if you do this right you will get off.. get a good lawyer, then also go for a personal grievance against his company, ( contact the papers etc) you will end up settling out of court,

yes all this will cost you money but you will have the charge dropped and you will possibly come away with a little money and have the C##t fired..

good luck dude

[Waxxa]

Go hard GTR! Self defense all the way dude!

After the court case, do see someone about that anger problem you have. :calm:

[EJK]

yes all this will cost you money but you will have the charge dropped and you will possibly come away with a little money and have the C##t fired..


And thats priceless :yes:
:cool:

[CookMySock]

If he grabbed you first "assaulted you"No. He only has to approach you in a threatening manner. Note the word "believe".

The cops are only an informant. It's not their job or their problem to make the call, so dont take it to heart. They just file the paperwork and let the judge sort it out.

DB

[MIXONE]

Good luck for a good result.

[gunnyrob]

Best of luck, looking forward to catching up at the ATNR wash up (Still no bike)

Go get some!

[sinfull]

Shame you cant take one or two witnesses to court that will say they saw his arm on yr shoulder b4 ya slugged him !! As a hand on you is deemed as assault !

[kiwi cowboy]

got the court case tomorrow,we"ll see how we go.
will let you know.

best of luck mate from a southerner:niceone:

[Nordy]

fingers crossed for ya. Good luck.

[gtr boy]

no wonder fukas get off murder in shit....waitin in court with all the drop kicks for my case ,then my brief tells some one to speed up my case so i can split and the courts cant find my f kn file...........
hope they never find it,would suit me just fine
so now i gotta go back again
looks like its going to a defended hearing as well, so will be calling up my witness for sure.more time and money cause some prick tryed to run ME off the road fkkkkkkkkk
this sucks a big one

[CookMySock]

more time and money cause some prick tryed to run ME off the road not quite. It's because you stopped and got into a fight. sorry, but it was.

DB