I'm an idiot

[jade]

Havent had a fine for a year
Northbound on the bridge, clocked at 170, pulled over at tristram
28 day suspension of licence, expecting a summons and a big fine, this is not the first time this has happened
believe me when I say I could have been done alot worse.

[gijoe1313]

Ah well, time to hit the publice transport ... you knew it, you knew they knew ... :doh:

so I guess baiwavies to licence :spanking::bye: and Helen Clark reaching deep into your pockets? :sick:

[RT527]

I have No sympathies for you....at least you own up to being an Idiot.....:Police::doh:

[Pex Adams]

OUCH! Thats going to hurt:spanking::spanking::spanking:

[homer]

Ah well, time to hit the publice transport ... you knew it, you knew they knew ... :doh:

so I guess baiwavies to licence :spanking::bye: and Helen Clark reaching deep into your pockets? :sick:

Now we all know they know

[mark247]

Bad luck. Do it on some back roads next time! lol. Hope the fines arent too harsh, and hope ya can keep the bike.

[Unit]

I got a $880 ticket for 140ks (and suspended licence for 28 days) two year ago yesterday, so my 50 demerit points have just dropped off. Tell ya, it was a very wary two years of riding not wanting to loose my licence again through accumulated demerits, so guess the law worked! :Police:
I was under the impression that at 170ks you would be an automatic arrest?

[toebug]

170 over the bridge is pretty quick with all those dorklanders driving around you!

[ajturbo]

you stopped???

:nono:

[kiwifruit]

Northbound on the bridge, clocked at 170

:zzzz:
mph?

[RT527]

170 over the bridge is pretty quick with all those dorklanders driving around you!

Isnt the Bridge 80 kmph?....if thats the case I am assuming that you may be in for a biggy here.

[scrivy]

Ya poor bistard!!
I guess there's a time and a place........

I remember years ago, I wheelied my old GSX1229 over the bridge. Was fun at the time!! Thank god I didn't get stopped.......

[avgas]

Did you say "Killer Beez Reprazent!" when they pulled you over. Apparently they go easy on actual crims lol

[McJim]

Time and place....Harbour bridge?:rofl:youthful exuberance.

There are loads of places with less traffic and less cops that you can use to hit those kind of speeds (if speed you must;))

Ah well - I suppose there will be a little Italian Pocket rocket up for sale on trademe soon?

[SixPackBack]

Havent had a fine for a year
Northbound on the bridge, clocked at 170, pulled over at tristram
28 day suspension of licence, expecting a summons and a big fine, this is not the first time this has happened
believe me when I say I could have been done alot worse.

WTF??.....clinically insane on the busiest, most heavily policed stretch of highway in the country. Visit your Doctor. Ask for mogadon!

[Finn]

Yeah, what sort of moron would get stung near the harbour bridge? You'd have to be an idiot.

[mv.senna]

shit-fk!! bugger. possibly not the cleverist of moves - wrong time/place with the wrong audience etc, but u know that already.

fwiw, i got 28 days + hefty fine last year - quiet back rd, no one around...except the cop that lived along that road :doh: so i've certainly become a lot more wary about where i give the throttle a squirt...and it can make for a boring riding experience!

will be interesting to see which kb members pitch up on their soapboxes to bore us preaching about exercising judgement etc, (i.e probly the same members that only ride their pc's) but take comfort that few folks on this site who actually ride their road bikes could honestly put hand on heart and say they have never done the same thing or something not particularly clever on the bike at one time or another... it's just that perhaps their lack of judgement was exercised in possibly a slightly less visible or more appropriate location...with the old luck of the draw bizzo thrown in for good measure.

i'm guessing it's a court appearance? hope u get a nice judge... good luck.

[Macstar]

Make a plea for average speed over a year (provided you're a legal rider), rather than the momentary brain explosion speed you were busted at!

If only there was such a thing...

[sosman]

will be interesting to see which kb members pitch up on their soapboxes to bore us preaching about exercising judgement etc, (i.e probly the same members that only ride their pc's) but take comfort that few folks on this site who actually ride their road bikes could honestly put hand on heart and say they have never done the same thing or something not particularly clever on the bike at one time or another... it's just that perhaps their lack of judgement was exercised in possibly a slightly less visible or more appropriate location...with the old luck of the draw bizzo thrown in for good measure.

i'm guessing it's a court appearance? hope u get a nice judge... good luck.
lol nice one Mv.senna.Was reading a post today about 2 guys[kev & somebody[ 0n 50cc stunt bikes doing a runner from cops & people were making more noise about them,like thats stupid & dangerous,what if i was comming round a corner & you crashed into me blabla,so anyway i like to see the same wingers make more noise bout 170km over harbourbridge,how stupid & bla bla etc
buy the way bummer dude,why you stop? muhaha:doh:

[Gubb]

Over double the speed limit? Why would you feel the need to do that on an incredibly busy public road? I could understand SH16, or something that is a 'back road' and a lot quieter, but the Birdge? That's lunacy.

Hopefully you get done for Dangerous Driving as well.

[Swoop]

Go and sit on the naughty step with Finn.

[Ixion]

How times change. I can remember when the test of a powerful bike was to hit the ton (160kph) coming over the top of the bridge, from a 'legal' start at the bottom . That and getting to the ton by the overbridge from a standing start at the toll gates (about quarter of a mile) . Was almost standard practice

Did you get airbourne at the top?

[YellowDog]

that's not a good place to speed. good luck for a lenient outcome. maybe they'll loose the paperwork and you'll gte off :-)

[TOTO]

not the smartest of moves. Learn from it and move on.

[R6_kid]

Over double the speed limit? Why would you feel the need to do that on an incredibly busy public road? I could understand SH16, or something that is a 'back road' and a lot quieter, but the Birdge? That's lunacy.


Because it probably felt fucking awesome at the time?

PS i think it was late it night so probably not 'incredibly busy', but still doesn't make it any more sensible.

[MaxB]

Ouch. As I said in another recent thread if it is just 'exceeding ....' type speeding on your offence notice then you will probably get 50 pts, 28 day walk and a big fine. Careless or dangerous charges are a whole different situation and you should get proper legal advice.

[vifferman]

Over double the speed limit? Why would you feel the need to do that on an incredibly busy public road? I could understand SH16, or something that is a 'back road' and a lot quieter, but the Birdge? That's lunacy.

Hopefully you get done for Dangerous Driving as well.
You forgot to mention, "Just by the HP HQ?!?!?" That's not just lunacy, that's ... that's... :crazy: :eek5:
Phark, I dunno...
All those HP dudes, sitting there, bored, waiting for someone like you to come along...

[Edbear]

Yeah, what sort of moron would get stung near the harbour bridge? You'd have to be an idiot.


Yeah, I think that's wot 'e said 'e was...

Not the bestest place to have a brain explosion.

[surfchick]

Havent had a fine for a year
Northbound on the bridge, clocked at 170, pulled over at tristram
28 day suspension of licence, expecting a summons and a big fine, this is not the first time this has happened
believe me when I say I could have been done alot worse.

that was very northbound indeed uh oh ... 170 ... uh oh
well, I suggest you take the speed infatuation out on a track day :), however there won;t be any large gerders, or ocean scenery or clipons... but tradeoff is NOOOOO coppers. you might be needing a wee trailer ride wif. no license tho...;)

[surfchick]

Go and sit on the naughty step with Finn.

lol :baby::lol:

[HungusMaximist]

All I can say that, RS250s are meant to be ridden fast :msn-wink:

Harbour bridge probably wasn't the smartest place for that...

[Swoop]

You forgot to mention, "Just by the HP HQ?!?!?" That's not just lunacy, that's ... that's... :crazy: :eek5:
Phark, I dunno...
All those HP dudes, sitting there, bored, waiting for someone like you to come along...
Dunno. By the time they waddle downstairs, start the car, put the coffee and doughnut's down, the bike will be about.. oooh.. Albany.:chase:

[EJK]

Why the fuck would you do 170kph on harbour bridge? You do know thats one of the most popular nest for cops?

[The Pastor]

So you'd be just clicking into 2nd then I guess?

[Soul.Trader]

A lot of people seem to have replies simply to say "Oh my, what an idiot you are, et etera". Hello? Look at the title! The guy already knows it was dumb. Save your judgemental criticism for those who HAVEN'T learnt their lesson.

[vifferman]

A lot of people seem to have replies simply to say "Oh my, what an idiot you are, et etera".
So, what would you have us say? :spudwhat:
Obviously jade needs some textual beating from us helpful KBers to help him feel appropriately chastised. :spanking:

It's all part of the process.

[madandy]

Buy a litre bike FFS so you can get away from the commodore!

[Mikkel]

As said I guess it wasn't during peak-rushhour... in which case, provided it's a calm evening, I doubt you could find a much safer place for doing 170 km/h.

At least on the bridge you're not likely to hit a deer or a sheep. Maybe a seagul - but I reckon even they would keep their distance.

Best of luck with the proceedings - let's hope that dangerous driving doesn't even get mentioned. :yes:

[KLOWN]

I'm with aj.... why stop? You are on a bike its so very hard to c anyone behind you in those little mirrors. u can try and gap it and if u dont make it then claim you didn't know they were there. On the grand scheme of things as long as you werent weaving in and out of traffic what you were doing wasnt that dangerous. Bummer you got caught. If it is going to be purely a speeding ticket write a letter to the police / courts with your apologies and your regrets. enroll in a defensive riding course now, for when you get you license back and tell the judge / police you have done this. I got off loosing my license for doing 110 in a 50 zone by doing a similar thing.

[Badjelly]

Save your judgemental criticism for those who HAVEN'T learnt their lesson.
We tend to get a bit of flack when we do that, too.

[Str8 Jacket]

We tend to get a bit of flack when we do that, too.

Who's this "we", white man!

[Toaster]

170 over the bridge is pretty quick with all those dorklanders driving around you!

I wouldn't call it driving, more like controlled herding.

[madandy]

I wouldn't call it driving, more like controlled herding.

Controlled?!
Who's in control?!?!!!?! :whistle:

[SVboy]

Bad luck man. Hope they go easy on you. There but for the grace of god go I!!

[Grahameeboy]

170 over the bridge is pretty quick with all those dorklanders driving around you!

And on a 250 too...

[jade]

it was late at night, I could have been done way worse believe me, its just the exceeding posted 100km limit on the ticket, nothing else..
Perhaps theres hope... A fine is a definate, theres no dangerous charge or any of that, but there is previous offences.
I didnt know I was being followed otherwise I would have kept going, I backed off to the speed limit, when a commy came up my arse and put its lights on probably after noting my plate, I pulled over immediately

[Tank]

90km over the posted limit --- could be a dangerous driving charge coming your way.

If you like sharing a cell with 6' + guys who like rough sex you'll be OK.

If on the other hand you don't - Id start lubing and practising thinking of England.

[Tank]

Just looked it up for you:

Imprisonment for up to 3 months, or a fine not exceeding $4,500, or both, and disqualification for at least 6 months

On the bright side its not the first time that this has happened to you - so they will probably take it easier on ya. You get a repeat offenders discount or something.

[EJK]

Just looked it up for you:

Imprisonment for up to 3 months, or a fine not exceeding $4,500, or both, and disqualification for at least 6 months

On the bright side its not the first time that this has happened to you - so they will probably take it easier on ya. You get a repeat offenders discount or something.

Dude thats massive...

[Badjelly]

Who's this "we", white man!

Oops, you haven't been reading some of my other recent posts, have you? Busted!

I meant we judgemental criticisers.

[Toaster]

Controlled?!
Who's in control?!?!!!?! :whistle:

good point!

maybe the little man at ATOMS think they are in control with all their little spy cameras watching us ride about!

[doc]

it was late at night, I could have been done way worse believe me, its just the exceeding posted 100km limit on the ticket, nothing else..
Perhaps theres hope... A fine is a definate, theres no dangerous charge or any of that, but there is previous offences.
I didnt know I was being followed otherwise I would have kept going, I backed off to the speed limit, when a commy came up my arse and put its lights on probably after noting my plate, I pulled over immediately

You seem to be have been involved in idiotic behaviour that 99.9% of the normal people who ride bikes go through. When I was your age I would have my suzukiyamahawhatsit up to the same speed, but that would have been a dream on a supersix speed or what ever they called it.. Your normal just accept it and let the system deal with. Men take it on the chin and move on . You deserve a bling for admission.

[jade]

Dude thats massive...

its the maximum penalty

[Brett]

Did you say "Killer Beez Reprazent!" when they pulled you over. Apparently they go easy on actual crims lol

Hahaha...BS. I saw a Killer Beez kid get dragged into central and he was being right arse hole. The cops were definitely not easy on him.:devil2:

[Maha]

its the maximum penalty

Still, take ya toothbrush.....:baby:

[Manxman]

Time and place....Harbour bridge?:rofl:youthful exuberance.

There are loads of places with less traffic and less cops that you can use to hit those kind of speeds (if speed you must;))

Ah well - I suppose there will be a little Italian Pocket rocket up for sale on trademe soon?

...isn't there a cop shop right next to the bridge on that side??? If so, then the words "for", "it" and "asking" - but not necessarily in that order - spring to mind.

[FROSTY]

ROTFLMAO---this has to be a joke surely:clap::clap::clap:

Surely NOONE would be stupid enough to actually do 170km/h in possibly THE most heavily camera infested stretch of road in NZ.
And no way would they do it NORTH bound -right in front of the Motorway patrol base.
VERY GOOD pisstake thread

[mv.senna]

...isn't there a cop shop right next to the bridge on that side??? If so, then the words "for", "it" and "asking" - but not necessarily in that order - spring to mind.

fk me, here comes the wholier than thou soap-box brigade.:tugger:

....surprised it's taken so long...

[Kittyhawk]

Well you obviously got the attenton you were seeking....

Pity it wasnt on a real bike to actually do a proper runner. :oi-grr: It's people like you who really do fuck the biker image up with cops.

I hope you get what you deserve. Maybe you should have grown balls and sold your bike before that all happend - Im glad I did! :oi-grr:

[Ixion]

Actually, so long as there's nothing much in way of other traffic (still possible at night), the bridge is a pretty fast and safe bit of road . Proibably good for at least 200kph . Central median, straight(ish) , good surface good visibility , absolutely NO risk of the usual hand wringing diversions - no golden haired children running out in front, no side roads, no animals (except maybe seagulls).

Of course, 170kph lanesplitting in the rush hour is another matter.

Anyway, looks like the cop sort of agreed, if you've only got a ticket for exceeding 100kph. Phew. No speed dangerous. Just a honking big fine, and a big bunch of demerits. You naughty lad you.

EDIT: Apart from getting airbourne at the top. Y' gotta watch that!

[mark247]

Well you obviously got the attenton you were seeking....

Pity it wasnt on a real bike to actually do a proper runner. :oi-grr: It's people like you who really do fuck the biker image up with cops.

I hope you get what you deserve. Maybe you should have grown balls and sold your bike before that all happend - Im glad I did! :oi-grr:

RS250 > GSXR600 anyday.

[Manxman]

fk me, here comes the wholier than thou soap-box brigade.:tugger:

....surprised it's taken so long...

Er - nah, not wholier (sic) than thou brigade (who hasn't grossly exceeded the speed limit at some point?), more of a "time & place" brigade. Re-read the post, :tugger:.

Nice troll BTW, but ya picked up on the wrong response cos I was stating the bleedin obvious, not 'soapboxing'?

Better luck next time...

[Brett]

RS250 > GSXR600 anyday.

You gotta be kidding. Gimme the gixxer anyday! At least it has some legs. And more reliable!

[gijoe1313]

And now we know that you know that they knew what we know when you knew it and know now that when you knew it, that it was known!

So now we all now know what we knew, and being in the know, we can go back to the status quo that we all knew? :rolleyes:

[jrandom]

Apart from getting airbourne at the top. Y' gotta watch that!

<img src="http://www.beltbuckleshop.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/1677pcairborne.jpg"/>

Hmm... dunno about airborne, but I'm fairly sure I could have Betty's suspension getting quite light and twitchy over the bridge crest at about 200kph.

Not that I'd ever do such a thing, of course.

Not too many coppers around the bridge this time of night, y'reckon?

Or I could just try it on the Snail. 50kg lighter and a few more ponies... move over, Wright brothers.

[avgas]

I found by selling my cefiro and not riding my bike i no longer get tickets.






But this makes me depressed and psychotic, so i do not think i will continue this new way of thinking.

But my license looks fantastic

[Steam]

I posted that 'im an idiot' and people still wrote 5 pages worth of shit to tell me the same thing.

Oh, I didn't realise, or I would have joined in earlier.

Hey, Jade! You're an idiot! No, no, I really mean it.
You really are a total idiot.

And you are free to leave and never come back.

[Grub]

I guarantee, in one ride down to the shops I have more fun on my bike than you people have in a year
Yes I hit 200 on my bike on a daily basis
Yes I get my knee down on roundabouts
Yes I do 20 stoppies a day
Yes I do 20 wheelies a day.

Have you met SkidMark? You'd get along famously :)

Ok ok so I'm taking the piss too. It's not personal but it sems to be what we do to have fun. People having a splash at you is just like fag jokes and sounding off. Those that are the most indignant and righteous are prolly the worst offenders :)

[spudchucka]

I was under the impression that at 170ks you would be an automatic arrest?

Dangerous speed, (if that's what he's being charged with) is an arrestable offence. Arrest isn't mandatory though, you can still receive a ticket and be summonsed to appear later. In fact I'm pretty sure that the snakes can issue a road side traffic court summons now too.

[jade]

Just so you know, I read this thread last night, and wrote for about half an hour, a post for which I received an infraction for and was deleted, most probably because of my comments about kittywhork, probably best because I was angry when I wrote them
Maybe my bike only does 200 kitty, but that does not make it 'not a real bike'
Are you aware that it gets there faster than your gsxr ?
Or is top speed all that matters.. but wait you cant use it on the road.. oh.
Have you ridden an rs ? ive ridden a gsxr..
Your post was totally unfounded, just for the sake of being holier than thou

[Teflon]

Maybe my bike only does 200 kitty, but that does not make it 'not a real bike'


Just ignore them dude.. and be gentle, half of them are depressed..

Your Aprilia would turn more heads than any GSXR would.. and a lot more exciting to ride.

[FkNAmerican]

Things you need:

radar detector, license plate tucked away where it cant be seen, etc.......

Never speed by a cop when:

1. Coming up to a congested area or an area with lots of traffic lights that can slow you down
2. Riding on an unfamiliar road (all too easy to hit a dead end or get lost which slows you down)
3. Riding a country road with no exits or connecting roads (easy to get pinned down)
4. Riding in an area where speed is enforced by aircrat (rotary wing or prop driven).....migth not be an issue in NZ.
5. Riding in an area known for bad-ass cops in general. (like areas of Virginia and NC)
6. Riding in an area where the police have Corvettes, Mustangs, Chargers, etc.....Again, might not be an issue in NZ

My general rule is: Dont run from the police. If you can see them behind you with the lights on then just pull over. Dont get into any high speed chases or anything. Its just not worth it. Puts too many lives at risk and its a felony.

Fact: Nearly everyone speeds from time to time. If and when you should speed.....at least TRY to mitigate the risks in every way you can.

[Radar]

I'm with aj.... why stop?

Cameras on the bridge would show the rego.

[jafar]

Cameras on the bridge would show the rego.

Camera's on bridge are unlikely to have the resolution to pick the plate off a speeding bike :argue: http://www.metservice.co.nz/default/index.php?alias=tr_auck_tristram

[mark247]

Just so you know, I read this thread last night, and wrote for about half an hour, a post for which I received an infraction for and was deleted, most probably because of my comments about kittywhork, probably best because I was angry when I wrote them
Maybe my bike only does 200 kitty, but that does not make it 'not a real bike'
Are you aware that it gets there faster than your gsxr ?
Or is top speed all that matters.. but wait you cant use it on the road.. oh.
Have you ridden an rs ? ive ridden a gsxr..
Your post was totally unfounded, just for the sake of being holier than thou

I posted before but im gonna post again. In my opinion RS250s are totally awesome and GSXR600's are just "another bike." Who the hell needs to do over 200k's anyway? 200k is cool enough in my opinion. Bad luck you got snapped, if i had an RS250 and lived up there im almost 100% sure I would go flying over the habour bridge with the taps wide open as well at night. It's just the normal thing young guys do haha. I wouldnt be too worried about these boring negative people winging about how stupid it was, just look at your rep, you have had HEAPS of positive rep about this thread from the good guys. :ar15::Police: :headbang:

[Radar]

jafar - point taken. Actually, I suspected that some traffic cams - at least those with internet access - would have crap resolution, but it seems likely that there would be at least one high res camera that the cops could make use of.


... just accept it and let the system deal with. Men take it on the chin and move on . You deserve a bling for admission.

Like doc, thats how I feel.

Often I read how KB'ers get caught and want to know how they can :no: wriggle out of the legal consequences when they know :shifty: they've done wrong.

Jade, on the one hand I applaud your posting here, exposing yourself for being an idiot. I don't know if you do in fact want to try to wriggle out of the consequences but what concerns me is that you say its not the first time that this has happened. What will it take to get you to stop your stupidity? A year or two from now, will all remorse have faded so that you ride like an idiot again, maybe causing a serious accident, even death? If you can seriously, sincerely answer these questions yourself, and do a DDC, and then show your very deep remorse in the courtroom, maybe the judge will lessen the consequences by 10% or so. However my guess is that the judge will throw the book at you big time.

For anyone (e.g mark247) who feels like jumping on what doc and I have said, remember that its NOT just about cops and courts. Speed kills - its as simple as that.

[mark247]

For anyone (e.g mark247) who feels like jumping on what doc and I have said, remember that its NOT just about cops and courts. Speed kills - its as simple as that.

Nothing wrong with what you said.

But, if there is a way to wriggle out of getting a fine / keeping your licence, why not try? =P

Shweet.

[Joni]

a post for which I received an infraction for and was deleted,It was not deleted.... it is in PD.

[Radar]

Nothing wrong with what you said.

But, if there is a way to wriggle out of getting a fine / keeping your licence, why not try? =P

Shweet.

:cool: OK, lets see where this goes.

Sometimes there are gray areas when people break the law, or when the police make a mistake. This does not apply to Jade since he was going 170 kph in a 100 kph zone and he admits it. So lets say he gets a very clever lawyer who finds a technicality that can let Jade get off free. Would you still say "Why not try?"

Now I have to (we, all of us KB'ers have to) put myself in Jades shoes, with the possibility of a clever lawyer. Would I try to wriggle out with no penalty? Sitting here now, I don't think so because I was in a similar place 15 years ago and did not do so.

Back then I had a clever lawyer friend who said the right words to the policeman who ticketed me, telling him not to show up to court which would nullify the charge against me (this was overseas). As I waited for the court date, I did not feel right about it, remembering all the times that my friends and I disliked lawyers for doing tricky crap like this. So I fronted up to the judge before the court case and paid the fine, telling him that I did not want to waste the court's time. Done and over with, it felt good then as it does now. While I was a cage driver back then and was not about to lose my license, it is still a similar case.

What is right is right. Whats wrong is wrong. Sometimes life situations are very clear.
170 kph on or just off the AKL Harbour Bridge is wrong.
Jade admits it and needs to face the consequences as doc says.

Look, I'm old enough to be most KB'ers father. I've done my share of stupid things when I was younger, including 160+ kph on my Triumph on a busy motorway, and I cringe when I think how I could have been killed or injured or caused this to others. When I read things like this: "...im almost 100% sure I would go flying over the habour bridge with the taps wide open as well at night. It's just the normal thing young guys do haha.", I do not find it funny. With a beer in my hand while talking to my mates, I sometimes may joke about going "with the taps wide open" - when the context is different and everyone knows I am just bullshitting - but I've seen too many accidents in my life and have too many injured or dead friends and acquaintances to take idiotic riding/driving lightly.

Trying to wriggle out of the consequences of doing wrong overlooks the law of karma.
Yes, you may get off and not pay a fine and lose your license, but eventually you have to pay the karmic price.
If you don't learn the first time, or the second, it just keeps getting worse.

[breakaway]

This thread has saved me hundreds of dollars. I was just about to open it right up, southbound, and then remembered reading about Jade.

[Ducman]

Hmm.. back when I was was youthful exuberance, about 27 years ago, I received a ticket for 170 in an 80 down the Wellington motorway on my RD250. Wrote a letter paid my $70 fine and learnt a lesson.. lessons were cheaper back then.

[Ixion]

For anyone (e.g mark247) who feels like jumping on what doc and I have said, remember that its NOT just about cops and courts. Speed kills - its as simple as that.


No it doesn't. Otherwise they'd have a shit hard job selling tickets on a Boeing 747. That has to be one of the most mindless mantras ever repeated ad nauseum .

Jade's an idiot, not for doing 170 clicks (we've all done that, so we'd all be idiots by that logic), but for failing to evaluate the Plod factor first. Time and place

(And I'm old enough to be your father )

[spudchucka]

No it doesn't. Otherwise they'd have a shit hard job selling tickets on a Boeing 747. That has to be one of the most mindless mantras ever repeated ad nauseum .

And the inference that speed doesn't kill flies in the face of common sense when you look at the carnage caused in crashes involving vehicles travelling at high speed.

Go find a few survivors of Boeing 747 crashes and ask them for an opinion.

[breakaway]

It's not the speed that gets you, it's the rapid deceleration when you hit something after falling off :sunny:

[Ixion]

If our road toll killed at the same rate per kilometre travelled (or any other measure you like, pretty much) we'd have at most 1 road death , some years.

Travel in a Boeing 747 is (almost) the safest form of travel ever invented. Far far far safer than road travel by bike or car.

[spudchucka]

It's not the speed that gets you, it's the rapid deceleration when you hit something after falling off :sunny:

And the amount of dumb arse wankers around that think you can have one without the other is astounding.

[Kickaha]

But, if there is a way to wriggle out of getting a fine / keeping your licence, why not try? =P



I guess if you're not prepared to take personal responsibility for your actions, then sure why not try to wriggle out of it

[spudchucka]

Travel in a Boeing 747 is (almost) the safest form of travel ever invented. Far far far safer than road travel by bike or car.

Very true, perhaps the speed limit should therefore be raised to the average speed of a 747. It makes perfect sense, it has to be the higher speed of the 747 that makes it so safe.

[Radar]

It's not the speed that gets you, it's the rapid deceleration when you hit something after falling off :sunny:

:laugh: Good one, breakaway! :lol:

[Ixion]

And the amount of dumb arse wankers around that think you can have one without the other is astounding.


Well, rapid deceleration when you hit something is a good bet

Hitting something when (if) you fall off is longer odds

And falling off just because you are going at a certain speed is propaganda not logic


Very true, perhaps the speed limit should therefore be raised to the average speed of a 747. It makes perfect sense, it has to be the higher speed of the 747 that makes it so safe.


I'm all for that. And, yes it probably would, especially if it was matched with a minimum speed limit of, say, 120kph. Can you please suggest it to your collegues ? (Including the wanker who didn't manage to give me a ticket today but spent the better part of half an hour trying before I finally gave him the slip on a gravel road)

Having just returned from a trip to the Far Norf, I was impressed by the huge number of totally incompetent dodders doddering along at 70kph and less. Fully 50% of the traffic of the roads north of Whangarei doesn't go over 75kph. If there was a suitabvle minimum speed limit it might encourage them to stay off they roads.

[FJRider]

No it doesn't. Otherwise they'd have a shit hard job selling tickets on a Boeing 747. That has to be one of the most mindless mantras ever repeated ad nauseum .



It would be easier to sell copies of the bridge video's for that time frame.
Evidence ???

[Rogue]

Speed is a funny thing once you been there its hard turning back :eek5:
Keep it to the track :argh:

We all get a kick from speed otherwise we wouldnt ride bikes and have sore noses :whistle:

[Grumpy Gnomb]

No sympathy for doing this speed and its just stupid and there are more than just you on the road

[jade]

Since my post got deleted I was gonna quote some bits out of it and leave the bad parts out but now Im not so bothered, alot of the posts here made me furious, because they were so far off being true,
Anyway, I can deal with whats coming to me, specially when I know how much worse it could have been, I'd also rather this than having a crash
Ill be at the moto tt trackday april 4th, on an rs that hasnt been ridden for 3 weeks...

Kittyhawk, attention seeking ?
How bout the time I PM'd you about the ATNR because I hadnt been on one and you hit me back with a pm saying you were bi sexual and come up and say hi and blah blah blah when I had never met or talked to you
THINK before you speak

[Patrick]

Pity it wasnt on a real bike to actually do a proper runner. :oi-grr: It's people like you who really do fuck the biker image up with cops.

Nope... THAT sort of attitude from Kitty is the exact image and attitude that gets the cops attention focussed on all bikers....:spanking:

This guy stopping straight away saved him time in the clink and earned an exceeds 100kmph charge only. No matter how good one is on ones bike, I bet it can't outrun Eagle.

[Kittyhawk]

Kittyhawk, attention seeking ?
How bout the time I PM'd you about the ATNR because I hadnt been on one and you hit me back with a pm saying you were bi sexual and come up and say hi and blah blah blah when I had never met or talked to you
THINK before you speak

ROFL well considering I have short hair one would assume Im completly gay! If you have issues with who I am or what Im like I couldnt care less, I dont plan on changing for anyone. And nope that wasn't hitting on you if you thought that as well lol... Oh yea, Im mentally fucked too so far gone... just ask the rest of the ATNR crew lol :devil2:


Nope... THAT sort of attitude from Kitty is the exact image and attitude that gets the cops attention focussed on all bikers....:spanking:

This guy stopping straight away saved him time in the clink and earned an exceeds 100kmph charge only. No matter how good one is on ones bike, I bet it can't outrun Eagle.

Question is why did he do it in the first place?
And for the record, its the primary reason why I got out of road biking so I can take it to the track and not worry bout cops. Shame too many bikers always get stung on the road.

Aint my worry tho!

[Unit]

Well you obviously got the attenton you were seeking....
Pity it wasnt on a real bike to actually do a proper runner. :oi-grr: It's people like you who really do fuck the biker image up with cops.

I hope you get what you deserve. Maybe you should have grown balls and sold your bike before that all happend - Im glad I did! :oi-grr:
Pot Kettle Black (re attention seeking).... Cant believe you are advising people to do 'a real runner', not cool in my book. :Playnice:
BTW, you may be less confused now you have grown balls lovey :buggerd:

[Edbear]

And the inference that speed doesn't kill flies in the face of common sense when you look at the carnage caused in crashes involving vehicles travelling at high speed.

Go find a few survivors of Boeing 747 crashes and ask them for an opinion.


It's not the speed that gets you, it's the rapid deceleration when you hit something after falling off :sunny:


Very true, perhaps the speed limit should therefore be raised to the average speed of a 747. It makes perfect sense, it has to be the higher speed of the 747 that makes it so safe.


Well, rapid deceleration when you hit something is a good bet

Hitting something when (if) you fall off is longer odds

And falling off just because you are going at a certain speed is propaganda not logic



I'm all for that. And, yes it probably would, especially if it was matched with a minimum speed limit of, say, 120kph. Can you please suggest it to your collegues ? (Including the wanker who didn't manage to give me a ticket today but spent the better part of half an hour trying before I finally gave him the slip on a gravel road)

Having just returned from a trip to the Far Norf, I was impressed by the huge number of totally incompetent dodders doddering along at 70kph and less. Fully 50% of the traffic of the roads north of Whangarei doesn't go over 75kph. If there was a suitabvle minimum speed limit it might encourage them to stay off they roads.

Interesting posts! Of course, speed, per se, is not the problem. It's a factor in two problems. One is that for far too many drivers the adage, "unsafe at any speed" applies, as they have no idea how to drive safely. The second, is that the "chance" of having an accident increases with the increase in speed, especially on the roads with incompetent drivers and hazardous conditions.

Now we all like to think we are competent riders/drivers, well able to handle higher speeds, and that may be true of many, but show me an incompetent driver who actually knows he's incompetent and I'll show you a passenger!

I'm sure SD can cite times he's questioned someone's driving skills and had an indignant response that they were driving perfectly well, thankyou!

SO we've all done high speeds at times, for sure, hopefuly in the conditions and circumstances that were as safe as we could find, but you can't argue that high speed brings much greater risk and a much greater chance of having an accident in the first place, not to mention the other catch-cry, "The faster you go, the bigger the mess".

[Goblin]

Men take it on the chin and move on . You deserve a bling for admission.Better on the chin than up the bum eh! ;)

[doc]

clocked at 170,
this is not the first time this has happened
done alot worse.


Better on the chin than up the bum eh! ;)

Just watch this space girl if he continues, he will be experiencing both .

[Unit]

Just watch this space girl if he continues, he will be experiencing both .
What, a right royal shafting up the bumbum at warp speed? Brings tears to the eyes :sick:

[DMNTD]

What, a right royal shafting up the bumbum at warp speed? Brings tears to the eyes :sick:

...and no babies

[doc]

...and no babies

Inside,where he should be heading , they also like to rough up the newbes, as foreplay.

[Matt_TG]

I feel compelled to reply to this:



And falling off just because you are going at a certain speed is propaganda not logic



Ixion, all's fair that you have a 'speed does not kill' attitude, but common sense would dictate that if someone couldn't handle a machine (bike, car, rollerblades etc) at high speed and they come a cropper they would end up worse off than at low speed.

A rider may be experienced at high speed, and therefore is less likely to fall off at high speed, but road conditions, other road traffic, obstacles that may suddenly cross the road and other things you don't encounter on a race track mean that it's inherently more dangerous speeding on public roads.

Cheers

[Goblin]

I feel compelled to reply to this:

Ixion, all's fair that you have a 'speed does not kill' attitude, but common sense would dictate that if someone couldn't handle a machine (bike, car, rollerblades etc) at high speed and they come a cropper they would end up worse off than at low speed.

A rider may be experienced at high speed, and therefore is less likely to fall off at high speed, but road conditions, other road traffic, obstacles that may suddenly cross the road and other things you don't encounter on a race track mean that it's inherently more dangerous speeding on public roads.

CheersI think that's the point he was trying to get across. It's not the speed that does the damage...it's the sudden stop.

[mark247]

I think that's the point he was trying to get across. It's not the speed that does the damage...it's the sudden stop.

Yea but ya gotta have speed to have a sudden stop dont ya

saying that speed doesnt kill but the stopping does is like saying that smoking doesnt kill but the lung cancer does.

[PrincessBandit]

And your point is??? (referring to the title of the thread "I'm an idiot")

[Ixion]

Yes. That would be a valid point if you were advocating that folk should only ride at a SAFE speed . But as that is less than 10kph, I do not think you are.

Those who say "Oh speed kills", always have an unspoken corollary, that so long as you stick to the speed limit, you will be OK.

Now, I will set you a little task. Get on your bike, and run head first into a good solid brick wall at 100kph (at point of impact). Now, get up and do the same at 150kph. Tell me if there is any difference

But, you will say, I cannot do that, because the first crash will have killed me.

Just so. For practical purposes, putting side men walking in front with red flags there is no such thing as a "safe speed" or a "dangerous speed". 100kph is just as dangerous (or as safe) as 150kph. All speed is dangerous, and there is an unbroken continuum from timid nana at one end to suicidal maniac at the other.

None of us, even the most antispeed, be prepared to travel everywhere at < 10kph. So we all accept some degree of danger in return for the convenience of practical transport. We variously, depending on temperament pick a point on that continuum where we consider that, for us (and maybe no-one else), the trade off of danger versus convenience is acceptable. And in some cases we will actively seek to lessen the danger implicit in our choice by various means. Others will not, because they don't "speed" and are therefore safe anyway.

Moreover the degree of danger implicit in any stated speed is constantly variable. If today , a speed of 100kph on road X under conditions Y has a danger rating of 10.0 OhFucks (the accepted SI unit for measuring comparative danger ) , tomorrow that same road may be 20 OhFucks (and thus more dangerous), because of a change in conditions. And the next bit of road, today , may be only 5 OhFucks

So the rider who rides sometimes at 200kph, and other times at 60kph , may in fact be a more risk adverse rider than the man of rides everywhere at 100kph "because I want to be safe and speed kills".

Specify WHAT speed, for WHAT rider, on WHAT road under WHAT conditions, and I may agree with you that that speed is more dangerous than I would care to accept. But, others may have a higher risk tolerance than I , and who am I (or you) to say that they are wrong.

[Ixion]

Yea but ya gotta have speed to have a sudden stop dont ya

saying that speed doesnt kill but the stopping does is like saying that smoking doesnt kill but the lung cancer does.

No, it is not speed that is the problem, nor the sudden stop. It is poor judgement, failing to select an appropriate speed .

[Goblin]

Yea but ya gotta have speed to have a sudden stop dont ya

saying that speed doesnt kill but the stopping does is like saying that smoking doesnt kill but the lung cancer does.FFS! Conception kills! From the moment we are born we are going to die. If you cant manage the risks of LIFE then go wrap yourself in cotton wool and bubble wrap and dont bother with dangerous stuff like motorcycling.

[mark247]

No, it is not speed that is the problem, nor the sudden stop. It is poor judgement, failing to select an appropriate speed .

I agree.


FFS! Conception kills! From the moment we are born we are going to die. If you cant manage the risks of LIFE then go wrap yourself in cotton wool and bubble wrap and dont bother with dangerous stuff like motorcycling.

Well i wouldn't go that far....

[Goblin]

I agree.
Well i wouldn't go that far....So this "blanket" speed of 100kph is a crock of shit. It's dangerous to take some open road corners at 50k yet safe as to take others at 180k but that's illegal...and profitable for the revenue gatherers and lawyers.

So jade made a bad judgment...and got caught. He has freely admitted this and will pay the consequence and hopefully learn to pick his time and place next time.

[jade]

See, I didnt lose my licence even though I did 170
only charge is 'exceeding 100kmph posted speed limit'

the maximum fine was 1000 bucks and I got 980
and I expect 50 demerits

Im well chuffed with this because theoretically that night I could have got..

DIC'd
No Rego
No Warrant
No L plate
L Driver driving after 10pm
L driver exceeds 70kph

Now that would have sucked..
The good news is I am 100pc legit now with a restricted licence
the bad news is I got a fine the other day coming home from taupo
had been at the motott trackday, was driving my dads truck and towing bike..
pinged at 104 when meant to be doing 90, I disliked this cop.

[Pedrostt500]

I thought tthat twice the speed limit was imediate dangerous driving so may be bye bye licence for maybe 6 months or more.

[peasea]

See, I didnt lose my licence even though I did 170
only charge is 'exceeding 100kmph posted speed limit'

the maximum fine was 1000 bucks and I got 980
and I expect 50 demerits

Im well chuffed with this because theoretically that night I could have got..

DIC'd
No Rego
No Warrant
No L plate
L Driver driving after 10pm
L driver exceeds 70kph

Now that would have sucked..
The good news is I am 100pc legit now with a restricted licence
the bad news is I got a fine the other day coming home from taupo
had been at the motott trackday, was driving my dads truck and towing bike..
pinged at 104 when meant to be doing 90, I disliked this cop.

Your original post said "Northbound on the bridge, clocked at 170" but isn't the bridge an 80k zone? I know, I've been pinged there. So, you're 90k over the limit, that's out there and I have to hand it to you. People like me only get 111kph tickets, end up in court, lose the license, pay heaps and I'm picking you're in the top 10%, blah, blah, blah, ad infinitum.

Ahh, kiwi justice, it's just the best. (Joke, that is...)

[Gubb]

DIC'd
No Rego
No Warrant
No L plate
L Driver driving after 10pm
L driver exceeds 70kph


You we're Drunk?

Fucking idiot.

[RT527]

See, I didnt lose my licence even though I did 170
only charge is 'exceeding 100kmph posted speed limit'

the maximum fine was 1000 bucks and I got 980
and I expect 50 demerits

Im well chuffed with this because theoretically that night I could have got..

DIC'd
No Rego
No Warrant
No L plate
L Driver driving after 10pm
L driver exceeds 70kph

Now that would have sucked..
The good news is I am 100pc legit now with a restricted licence
the bad news is I got a fine the other day coming home from taupo
had been at the motott trackday, was driving my dads truck and towing bike..
pinged at 104 when meant to be doing 90, I disliked this cop.

And the reason you disliked this cop is ....??????( gee he`s breaking the law and he gets a ticket, and he dislikes the cop....dble idiot if ya ask me).

[90s]

See, I didnt lose my licence even though I did 170
only charge is 'exceeding 100kmph posted speed limit'

Looks as though the sensible cop (in this case) agreed that you were not riding dangerously for the conditions ("drive to the conditions" is the other mantra of course - and a good one except it has a 100kph cut off that undermines it somewhat ...). As Ixion has been trying to explain, context is all.

Once you break the speed limit you are liable to the consequenes, so good on you Jade for simply taking it. I won't comment on your previous riding history etc when so many others have been willing to.

I would take the below advice with a pinch of salt too, although it is generally good the cops here are not likely to shoot you or ram you off the roads in order to kill you (see other threads & US paper articles ...)


Things you need:

radar detector, license plate tucked away where it cant be seen, etc.......

Never speed by a cop when:
...

4. Riding in an area where speed is enforced by aircrat (rotary wing or prop driven).....migth not be an issue in NZ.
5. Riding in an area known for bad-ass cops in general. (like areas of Virginia and NC)
6. Riding in an area where the police have Corvettes, Mustangs, Chargers, etc.....Again, might not be an issue in NZ

And look out for those aircrats!
The police here can't afford those prop planes - even the airforce here can't afford aircraft, and the crats or even more expensive.

[Indoo]

Looks as though the sensible cop (in this case) agreed that you were not riding dangerously for the conditions...

Sounds like a horrible cop to me whose not doing his job if the facts pointed out above are true. A learner rider breaching all the conditions of his license, riding in excess of 90kmh over the posted speed limit, on a bike without a warrant, on a busy stretch of road and to top it all off was also drunk.

Should have arrested, charged and ended up with a conviction and lengthy loss of license as well as community service or similar. One or two of the factors taking on their own (excusing the alcohol) you might be able to excuse but all of them? thats more than just merely dangerous its like playing Russian roulette with the lives of everyone else out on the road that night.

[jade]

I was not drunk, I had 3 beers, over a decent amount of time, I normally would only have 1, I would not get on 2 wheels drunk

[Trouser]

And look out for those aircrats!
The police here can't afford those prop planes - even the airforce here can't afford aircraft, and the crats or even more expensive.

The police near kaikoura use planes to spot people speeding.

[scumdog]

I was not drunk, I had 3 beers, over a decent amount of time, I normally would only have 1, I would not get on 2 wheels drunk


So where on your list of offences does the DIC fit if you weren't drunk??

[90s]

The police near kaikoura use planes to spot people speeding.

I stand corrected for my cheap crack.
Not that they need them around there - unless they direct the patrol cars? Because in Dec last year I saw many many speeding arests - almost every car I saw speeding on the SH1 was caught. It was quite sobering.

And as for Jade, I thought the DIC etc related to earlier offences (as my comments indicated), so it would seem a very light approach if this was true. Anyhoo, moving on ...

[peasea]

The police near kaikoura use planes to spot people speeding.

What do they use for spotting hash?

[sinfull]

A lot of people seem to have replies simply to say "Oh my, what an idiot you are, et etera". Hello? Look at the title! The guy already knows it was dumb. Save your judgemental criticism for those who HAVEN'T learnt their lesson.
Yeah !!!! Shuts up now !!

[sinfull]

:cool: OK, lets see where this goes.

Sometimes there are gray areas when people break the law, or when the police make a mistake. This does not apply to Jade since he was going 170 kph in a 100 kph zone and he admits it. So lets say he gets a very clever lawyer who finds a technicality that can let Jade get off free. Would you still say "Why not try?"

Now I have to (we, all of us KB'ers have to) put myself in Jades shoes, with the possibility of a clever lawyer. Would I try to wriggle out with no penalty? Sitting here now, I don't think so because I was in a similar place 15 years ago and did not do so.

Back then I had a clever lawyer friend who said the right words to the policeman who ticketed me, telling him not to show up to court which would nullify the charge against me (this was overseas). As I waited for the court date, I did not feel right about it, remembering all the times that my friends and I disliked lawyers for doing tricky crap like this. So I fronted up to the judge before the court case and paid the fine, telling him that I did not want to waste the court's time. Done and over with, it felt good then as it does now. While I was a cage driver back then and was not about to lose my license, it is still a similar case.

What is right is right. Whats wrong is wrong. Sometimes life situations are very clear.
170 kph on or just off the AKL Harbour Bridge is wrong.
Jade admits it and needs to face the consequences as doc says.

Look, I'm old enough to be most KB'ers father. I've done my share of stupid things when I was younger, including 160+ kph on my Triumph on a busy motorway, and I cringe when I think how I could have been killed or injured or caused this to others. When I read things like this: "...im almost 100% sure I would go flying over the habour bridge with the taps wide open as well at night. It's just the normal thing young guys do haha.", I do not find it funny. With a beer in my hand while talking to my mates, I sometimes may joke about going "with the taps wide open" - when the context is different and everyone knows I am just bullshitting - but I've seen too many accidents in my life and have too many injured or dead friends and acquaintances to take idiotic riding/driving lightly.

Trying to wriggle out of the consequences of doing wrong overlooks the law of karma.
Yes, you may get off and not pay a fine and lose your license, but eventually you have to pay the karmic price.
If you don't learn the first time, or the second, it just keeps getting worse.

Farts in your direction !!

[scumdog]

What do they use for spotting hash?

Nice pun - but who will notice???

[peasea]

Nice pun - but who will notice???

Where's the pun?
More to the point, where's the hash?

[scumdog]

Where's the pun?
More to the point, where's the hash?

Point?
I thought that was the bag size you bought your 'P' in..

[Big Dave]

Where's the pun?
More to the point, where's the hash?

Some people say between the upper case @ and the $ - but we know it's the 'hatch' key don't we.

[jrandom]

Where's the pun?

I didn't spot one.

[jade]

Look guys, its over, Ive got a whopping big fine to pay which I wholeheartedly deserve
Im not gonna say Ill never break the speed limit again because that wont happen, hell I broke it several times today, hitting 200 on an empty on ramp is a pretty regular thing for me, like daily
I can tell you though that I am constantly working on my self control, to not twist that throttle
I spend a shitload of time on the road, mostly solo and I reckon I can read the road pretty well - I havent hit any cars... recently. you can safely break the speedlimit, but the speed limit is the law and I want to be law abiding, and I definately dont want to be giving money to the government which I have been doing weekly for several years now
Ive learnt that road riding is about judgement and risk assesment, ive got that part down and I reckon I can stay safe,
just gotta harness self control now
Im well aware that if I had'a stuck to the speed limit, id be 1000 bucks richer
As for people who think that what I did was dangerous, I dont. and neither did the cop. I would do that any day of the week rather that go out with my mates scratching on weekends, but thats just me
And to add to this, pretty much all my riding for the last month has been 2 up, she likes it when I go fast and she likes it when I do wheelies, but Im working on NOT doing either of these things, im slowing down and everytime we get off the bike I tell her that we are going to go slower, I am NOT going to be someone who crashed with a pillion
anyways, Close this thread, nuff said

To sum up, I want to be enjoying riding for alotta years to come, not enjoying it alot, briefly

[peasea]

Point?
I thought that was the bag size you bought your 'P' in..

The bag I put my pee in? I'm not that fucked up yet.
Hang, on, yes I am.........

Gawd, it's broken again, gone all over me slippers.

[peasea]

Look guys, its over, Ive got a whopping big fine to pay which I wholeheartedly deserve
Im not gonna say Ill never break the speed limit again because that wont happen, hell I broke it several times today, hitting 200 on an empty on ramp is a pretty regular thing for me, like daily
I can tell you though that I am constantly working on my self control, to not twist that throttle
I spend a shitload of time on the road, mostly solo and I reckon I can read the road pretty well - I havent hit any cars... recently. you can safely break the speedlimit, but the speed limit is the law and I want to be law abiding, and I definately dont want to be giving money to the government which I have been doing weekly for several years now
Ive learnt that road riding is about judgement and risk assesment, ive got that part down and I reckon I can stay safe,
just gotta harness self control now
Im well aware that if I had'a stuck to the speed limit, id be 1000 bucks richer
As for people who think that what I did was dangerous, I dont. and neither did the cop. I would do that any day of the week rather that go out with my mates scratching on weekends, but thats just me
And to add to this, pretty much all my riding for the last month has been 2 up, she likes it when I go fast and she likes it when I do wheelies, but Im working on NOT doing either of these things, im slowing down and everytime we get off the bike I tell her that we are going to go slower, I am NOT going to be someone who crashed with a pillion
anyways, Close this thread, nuff said

To sum up, I want to be enjoying riding for alotta years to come, not enjoying it alot, briefly


You freakin' sinner! Now we're all gonna die.
You're right about judgement; I made the call to crank the V8 Berlina up to 170 the other day BUT! Deserted road, no intersections, straight as a dye (diddly eye dye, fuckin' hippies) and no dramas. The car is up t way more, as witnessed in the Taranaki a wee while back, but you make the call to go that fast. My only real bitch in life is when you get plucked for MINOR transgressions like rolling off a hill and hitting 111, or overtaking as quickly and safely as possible (as instructed by the our Road Code) with NO discrection exercised by the (now so-labelled) revenue collectors.

Big speed: take the consequences.
Little speed: wag the finger.

[scumdog]

. The car is up t way more, as witnessed in the Taranaki a wee while back, but you make the call to go that fast. My only real bitch in life is when you get plucked for MINOR transgressions with NO discrection exercised by the (now so-labelled) revenue collectors.

Big speed: take the consequences.
Little speed: wag the finger.

Ya must meet all the wrong type of cops eh?

My discretions exceed my tickets by about 5 (or more) to 1.

A shame the bosses don't count discretions eh - my 'contact rate' would be waaay up!!

[Tank]

Ya must meet all the wrong type of cops eh?

My discretions exceed my tickets by about 5 (or more) to 1.

A shame the bosses don't count discretions eh - my 'contact rate' would be waaay up!!

Just curious

If you pull someone over and give them a small talk and let them on their way without a ticket - does that count as a 'contact'?

[Horse]

Some people say between the upper case @ and the $ - but we know it's the 'hatch' key don't we.

Octothorpe.

[Swoop]

The officer must have used his discretion. Like the Motorway Patrol chap last night doing 170+, but without any other traffic around the officer didn't hit him with a "dangerous" charge as well as the speeding.


What do they use for spotting hash?
A knife?

[scumdog]

Just curious

If you pull someone over and give them a small talk and let them on their way without a ticket - does that count as a 'contact'?


Sadly no - but I do it a lot anyway.

For some they may see it as a disincentive to show discretion "The bean-counters only count tickets as contacts so why bother with warnings" might be thier thoughts.

PS A fair percentage of tickets I DO give out are 'compliance' ones.

[moT]

See, I didnt lose my licence even though I did 170
only charge is 'exceeding 100kmph posted speed limit'

the maximum fine was 1000 bucks and I got 980
and I expect 50 demerits

Im well chuffed with this because theoretically that night I could have got..

DIC'd
No Rego
No Warrant
No L plate
L Driver driving after 10pm
L driver exceeds 70kph

Now that would have sucked..
The good news is I am 100pc legit now with a restricted licence
the bad news is I got a fine the other day coming home from taupo
had been at the motott trackday, was driving my dads truck and towing bike..
pinged at 104 when meant to be doing 90, I disliked this cop.

YOU ARE THE MAN SHAME YOU GOT CAUGUHT ITS STRANGLY SATISFYING SPEEDING AND GETTING AWAY WITH IT KNOWING YOU JUST FD THE LAW IN THE A WELL DONE BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME

[scumdog]

YOU ARE THE MAN SHAME YOU GOT CAUGUHT ITS STRANGLY SATISFYING SPEEDING AND GETTING AWAY WITH IT KNOWING YOU JUST FD THE LAW IN THE A WELL DONE BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME


Luckily that 'feeling' is a one way street eh???

BTW The 5-0 forget about somebody getting away as soon as they get to the first donut&coffee shop.

[Big Dave]

Octothorpe.

Aye - and a few to the left of the ampersand.

[skidMark]

So hang on.

You get pinged, then come on here so we can all tell you what a fuckwit you are.

Oh cmon man, ive been doing that with every post for 3 years...:banana::wari:

[Matt_TG]

I think you have been superceded Mark, good on ya for noticing the irony though :)

[skidMark]

I think you have been superceded Mark, good on ya for noticing the irony though :)

Im just too busy working to have time to bitch about shit on here...

But ya know. i get bored :P

[Katman]

But ya know. i get bored :P

I don't think too many of us mistook your new lifestyle for 'Stimulation Plus'.

(But stick with it. I'm impressed).

[skidMark]

I don't think too many of us mistook your new lifestyle for 'Stimulation Plus'.

(But stick with it. I'm impressed).


LOL cheers i think

[spudchucka]

Sadly no - but I do it a lot anyway.

For some they may see it as a disincentive to show discretion "The bean-counters only count tickets as contacts so why bother with warnings" might be thier thoughts.

PS A fair percentage of tickets I DO give out are 'compliance' ones.

I think back in the days of the MOT they had official warning notices that you handed to drivers the same as an ION. That way there would be a paper trail and the warning would amount to something tangible that the bean counters would be able to include in their pretty graphs and therefore amount to a contact.

[Ixion]

I think back in the days of the MOT they had official warning notices that you handed to drivers the same as an ION. That way there would be a paper trail and the warning would amount to something tangible that the bean counters would be able to include in their pretty graphs and therefore amount to a contact.

Yes. That's correct. They said "WARNING ONLY". I collected a few of them . For different things. I made sure not to collect another one for the same thing, for the rule was that if you got a warning for something, and then got pulled up again for the same thing soonish after, the proverbial ton of bricks descended on your head. It was a good scheme. And there was some system whereby Officer Snake knew that Officer Bumblebee had issued you with a warning last month.

I think they should reintroduce such a scheme. With computerisation it should be very simple.

[scumdog]

Yes. That's correct. They said "WARNING ONLY". I collected a few of them . For different things. I made sure not to collect another one for the same thing, for the rule was that if you got a warning for something, and then got pulled up again for the same thing soonish after, the proverbial ton of bricks descended on your head. It was a good scheme. And there was some system whereby Officer Snake knew that Officer Bumblebee had issued you with a warning last month.

I think they should reintroduce such a scheme. With computerisation it should be very simple.

They do it in the States, when I was out with the 5-0 there they logged it on the computer - and when any dude was checked it gave a list of warnings he had and what they were for.

I have tried to push for it here but I guess I'm not close enought to the shiney-bums that come up with the 'good ideas' for it to be accepted yet.

[FJRider]

I don't think too many of us mistook your new lifestyle for 'Stimulation Plus'.

(But stick with it. I'm impressed).

Me too....keep it up

[oldrider]

Yes. That's correct. They said "WARNING ONLY". I collected a few of them . For different things. I made sure not to collect another one for the same thing, for the rule was that if you got a warning for something, and then got pulled up again for the same thing soonish after, the proverbial ton of bricks descended on your head. It was a good scheme. And there was some system whereby Officer Snake knew that Officer Bumblebee had issued you with a warning last month.

I think they should reintroduce such a scheme. With computerisation it should be very simple.

I remember the scheme of which you speak, I also suffered the wrath of the accumulation of the warning notices, I was a slow learner as a teenager.

I believe it is a scheme worth reimplementing.

120kph with no other vehicles other than the HP car on the straight road between Lindis Pass and Omarama is nothing more than a gravy train for the government.

The HP cream this area every weekend, discretion now and then could be respected but as it is! :oi-grr:

Sadly the only police that I feel any respect for today are the ones that I know personally! :kick: John.

[jade]

Look guys, its over, Ive got a whopping big fine to pay which I wholeheartedly deserve
Im not gonna say Ill never break the speed limit again because that wont happen, hell I broke it several times today, hitting 200 on an empty on ramp is a pretty regular thing for me, like daily
I can tell you though that I am constantly working on my self control, to not twist that throttle
I spend a shitload of time on the road, mostly solo and I reckon I can read the road pretty well - I havent hit any cars... recently. you can safely break the speedlimit, but the speed limit is the law and I want to be law abiding, and I definately dont want to be giving money to the government which I have been doing weekly for several years now
Ive learnt that road riding is about judgement and risk assesment, ive got that part down and I reckon I can stay safe,
just gotta harness self control now
Im well aware that if I had'a stuck to the speed limit, id be 1000 bucks richer
As for people who think that what I did was dangerous, I dont. and neither did the cop. I would do that any day of the week rather that go out with my mates scratching on weekends, but thats just me
And to add to this, pretty much all my riding for the last month has been 2 up, she likes it when I go fast and she likes it when I do wheelies, but Im working on NOT doing either of these things, im slowing down and everytime we get off the bike I tell her that we are going to go slower, I am NOT going to be someone who crashed with a pillion
anyways, Close this thread, nuff said

To sum up, I want to be enjoying riding for alotta years to come, not enjoying it alot, briefly

Would you believe that the night after this post, I crashed
all involved came out of it ok, thats all im going to say

[BadCompany]

Would you believe that the night after this post, I crashed
all involved came out of it ok, thats all im going to say

Take a hint? ;)

[idleidolidyll]

Havent had a fine for a year
Northbound on the bridge, clocked at 170, pulled over at tristram
28 day suspension of licence, expecting a summons and a big fine, this is not the first time this has happened
believe me when I say I could have been done alot worse.

oops!
condolences for your loss of licence

similar but different: a mate in wellytown who always uses dial a driver was picked up DIC last friday night after his birthday party. they took his licence on the spot.

never relax, they're always out there

[marty]

Would you believe that the night after this post, I crashed
all involved came out of it ok, thats all im going to say


that's the funniest thing i have read all week!

[BadCompany]

I'm actually glad to see I'm not alone with my need for a thrill.

[Speedracer]

Would you believe that the night after this post, I crashed
all involved came out of it ok, thats all im going to say

Did ya not even get a 28 day suspension in the end?