Bike down on 16, 23 March

[bmz2]

Just came back on Hw16 , looks like a sports bike has gone down around 2pm . police in attendance. Hope the rider is OK

[eliot-ness]

Could be a second one. I went through at about 12.30 and there was an accident half way up Cleasby hill, Wellsford side. Police, Ambulance and Fire service there. Looked like he'd gone down the bank. A few bikes parked up so he may have been one of a group ride.

[Toaster]

Just came back on Hw16 , looks like a sports bike has gone down around 2pm . police in attendance. Hope the rider is OK

That was SCU in attendance doing a crash site survey. The other units were HP..... that won't be a good sign at all.

[Dutchee]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10499709

[ducatijim]

Well if motorcyclists continue to use it as their own personal racetrack, these stupid things will continue to occur. There are good reasons why real race tracks have all the vehicles going the SAME way, and why power/phone poles and fences cannot be found.
Was thru there yesterday and saw many 'temporary' kiwi motorcyclists 'at it'.
Wake up to yourselves.

[Stromble]

Says it happened at 11:28pm.. not a time, Id like to be riding that road.!

Poor bastards lost his leg too...

[eliot-ness]

That would be 11.28 am. It happened just before I reached the lookout. I waited there for half an hour expecting it to be cleared. Poor guy, I wasn't expecting it to be so serious. The accident was on the winding downhill stretch, nowhere where you could build up speed between tight 45k corners. Best wishes to him.

[The Pastor]

You can build up plenty of speed on that stretch, The bitch of it is, this little bump (i.e., dip) one the first or second corner, if you dont know its there it bounes you into the oncoming lane, fine if no one is coming the other way..

[TOTO]

You can build up plenty of speed on that stretch, The bitch of it is, this little bump (i.e., dip) one the first or second corner, if you dont know its there it bounes you into the oncoming lane, fine if no one is coming the other way..

I was just gonna say that. I went trough it 3 times in the last month , 2 of which i could have ended like that poor guy did today. I wish road inspectors were not just inspecting the good roads in remuera but actually did some real work and went outside town.

I'm so sorry for the biker. :weep:

[jrandom]

I was just gonna say that. I went trough it 3 times in the last month , 2 of which i could have ended like that poor guy did today.

Jesus, dude, start riding to the conditions. Don't blame external factors for your own shortcomings.

There's nothing wrong with that bit of road. Those 45km corners demand a little respect, but it's certainly not among the worst pieces of road within a 100km radius from that spot.

Unless there was a car that crossed the centerline that we didn't know about, the rider in question here fucked up, pure and simple. Given the time of night, I wouldn't be surprised if he simply didn't really see where he was going and rode himself straight off the cliff into oblivion. Nobody's fault but his own, the poor bugger.

Here's hoping for a relatively quick recovery from his apparently rather nasty injuries!

[Mrs Busa Pete]

Unless there was a car that crossed the centerline that we didn't know about, the rider in question here fucked up, pure and simple. Given the time of night, I wouldn't be surprised if he simply didn't really see where he was going and rode himself straight off the cliff into oblivion. Nobody's fault but his own, the poor bugger.

Here's hoping for a relatively quick recovery from his apparently rather nasty injuries![/QUOTE]

It wasn't night it was just before lunch

[jrandom]

It wasn't night it was just before lunch


Says it happened at 11:28pm.. not a time, Id like to be riding that road.!

tsmj's right, that's the time the Herald article gave.

Dunno what time you normally have lunch, Pete, but that's past my bedtime.

:p

Probably a typo from the Herald, though, I'm guessing. 11:28am more like, so I'll assume that was the case.

It'd still be quite possible for a n00b rider to throw themselves off that cliff in daylight, of course.

[Edbear]

Jesus, dude, start riding to the conditions. Don't blame external factors for your own shortcomings.

There's nothing wrong with that bit of road. Those 45km corners demand a little respect, but it's certainly not among the worst pieces of road within a 100km radius from that spot.

Unless there was a car that crossed the centerline that we didn't know about, the rider in question here fucked up, pure and simple. Given the time of night, I wouldn't be surprised if he simply didn't really see where he was going and rode himself straight off the cliff into oblivion. Nobody's fault but his own, the poor bugger.

Here's hoping for a relatively quick recovery from his apparently rather nasty injuries!

Seems to be some confusion as to whether it was am or pm, but either way there are too many bikers hurting and killing themselves all by themselves lately.

I agree in the main with your comments about not blaming the road. I've been driving and riding for 38 years...:shutup: and done who knows how many miles throughout much of NZ in all manner of vehicles, at low speeds and high...:innocent: over and over the roads and places where people are killing themselves and a hue and cry goes up about the road! I've never had a serious accident since I began driving and I doubt it's because I'm so much better than others.

However I am also conscious of the fact that I could have crashed and died a few times due to a moment's innattention or brain-fade. I won't judge this case until I know more about the circumstances, as it may be simply a tragic accident, or it may be he was "pushing it" and outrode his skills and common sense.

[The Pastor]

The dip I mentioned is very hard to spot. Very hard. Its dangerous, pure and simple. To spot it you HAVE to be looking where you are going and not where you want to go. Its fine in a car and possably a heavy bike (never noticed it on the gpz 1000, noticed it with the cbr250) but damn its caught me out more than once.

But i Fully agree with it being the riders responsability to be able to read the road and ride to the conditions (when they change increase your speed). Which is a bitch cos it shoots down any chance of getting off a careless driving charge :P

[jrandom]

The dip I mentioned is very hard to spot. Very hard. Its dangerous, pure and simple. To spot it you HAVE to be looking where you are going and not where you want to go.

Is it on the northbound or southbound side of the road?

90% of the time, I'm only riding that stretch northbound.

[SixPackBack]

Well if motorcyclists continue to use it as their own personal racetrack, these stupid things will continue to occur. There are good reasons why real race tracks have all the vehicles going the SAME way, and why power/phone poles and fences cannot be found.
Was thru there yesterday and saw many 'temporary' kiwi motorcyclists 'at it'.
Wake up to yourselves.

Save the lecture dude, you do not know the details. 16 is open, wide, flowing with no supprises-it is in fact a great riding road that is well maintained.


I was just gonna say that. I went trough it 3 times in the last month , 2 of which i could have ended like that poor guy did today. I wish road inspectors were not just inspecting the good roads in remuera but actually did some real work and went outside town.

I'm so sorry for the biker. :weep:

You have to be kidding! 16 from Kaukapakapa to wellsford is one of the best stretches of roads out, and believe me when I say it can be taken at a speed that would have you holed up with "bubba in D block" for a very long time [that includes the 45K corners, at least one can be taken safely at well over 120K].

Mistakes made on 16 are NOT the fault of the road.

Condolences to the rider.

[The Pastor]

Is it on the northbound or southbound side of the road?

90% of the time, I'm only riding that stretch northbound.
its north bound, going down the hill from the lookout, its on a left hander the lefthander isnt tight but another left hander is immedatly after it.

[SixPackBack]

its north bound, going down the hill from the lookout, its on a left hander the lefthander isnt tight but another left hander is immedatly after it.

I can't place that spot, and that is a road travelled hundreds if not thousands of time. Is your suspension set-up well?

[TOTO]

Save the lecture dude, you do not know the details. 16 is open, wide, flowing with no supprises-it is in fact a great riding road that is well maintained.



You have to be kidding! 16 from Kaukapakapa to wellsford is one of the best stretches of roads out, and believe me when I say it can be taken at a speed that would have you holed up with "bubba in D block" for a very long time [that includes the 45K corners, at least one can be taken safely at well over 120K].

Mistakes made on 16 are NOT the fault of the road.

Condolences to the rider.

well my friend as a newbie I beleave I can brake my neck at halaf the speed you can. Agree about riders responsibility to read the road, but if it hapened on the place of the dip that for me is not 100% rider error. Respect to your opinion.

Still a sad story dou. :(

[The Pastor]

susspension set up? I have a 92 250. It dosent have adjustable susspension. but the dip is just big enough to fit a front tyre in. i'll see if i can google earth it.

[Ixion]

I've ridden SH16 thousands of times, both directions, since it was gravel.

The old gravel road, north of Kaucop used to have a few nasty bits, but they've all been eliminated over the years.

I don't recall anything in particular nasty nowdays. The usual stuff, bumps , off cambers etc, but no more than any other road.

There is one corner , after the lookout northbound, which I recall always wakes up my spidey sense , though I can't remember why. It may be the one Mr RM speaks of, but whatever it is , it needs no more than carefull attention.

Certainly nothing on that road that should cause a competent rider to crash in the normal course of events.

[The Pastor]

I've ridden SH16 thousands of times, both directions, since it was gravel.

The old gravel road, north of Kaucop used to have a few nasty bits, but they've all been eliminated over the years.

I don't recall anything in particular nasty nowdays. The usual stuff, bumps , off cambers etc, but no more than any other road.

There is one corner , after the lookout northbound, which I recall always wakes up my spidey sense , though I can't remember why. It may be the one Mr RM speaks of, but whatever it is , it needs no more than carefull attention.

Certainly nothing on that road that should cause a competent rider to crash in the normal course of events.
With all due respec oooooooooooooold man, you ride so slow the road could turn into on off camberd downhill left hander coverd in ice and be no problem with you.

Google earth is refusing to load. Oh well.

[Ixion]

True. True

However I suspect the real reason you notice that dip is that it caught you out once by sheer chance , and now you have a sort of mental target fixation. You know the dip is coming up , must watch out for the dip, don't get caught by the dip, where's that dip, oh shit. Happens.

If it's only a small aberation other riders may never encounter it.

[boomer]

there's a huge kick in the ass bump on on of the corners when you're coming down the hill.

Still.. NZ goat tracks claim another victim.

[jrandom]

its north bound, going down the hill from the lookout, its on a left hander the lefthander isnt tight but another left hander is immedatly after it.

I haven't ridden those corners in that direction thousands of times, like Ixion, but I wouldn't be surprised if I've been over them on two wheels more than a hundred times, at least, and there ain't no dodgy surface there, there just ain't.

It's a road, not a bloody racetrack. Yes, those downhill 45km corners require a bit of careful steering if you're not going at 'car' pace, but I would never have picked them as a bit of road that anyone should need warning about.

Unlike, say, that one decreasing-radius blind left hand corner just north of Kawakawa Bay heading back toward Clevedon that I always seem to end up dragging bits of Betty around the wrong side of the centerline on!

:sweatdrop

[The Pastor]

True. True

However I suspect the real reason you notice that dip is that it caught you out once by sheer chance , and now you have a sort of mental target fixation. You know the dip is coming up , must watch out for the dip, don't get caught by the dip, where's that dip, oh shit. Happens.

If it's only a small aberation other riders may never encounter it.

Hopefully they don't encounter it, its a bit of a wake up call.


I haven't ridden those corners in that direction thousands of times, like Ixion, but I wouldn't be surprised if I've been over them on two wheels more than a hundred times, at least, and there ain't no dodgy surface there, there just ain't.

It's a road, not a bloody racetrack. Yes, those downhill 45km corners require a bit of careful steering if you're not going at 'car' pace, but I would never have picked them as a bit of road that anyone should need warning about.

Unlike, say, that one decreasing-radius blind left hand corner just north of Kawakawa Bay heading back toward Clevedon that I always seem to end up dragging bits of Betty around the wrong side of the centerline on!

:sweatdrop

That bend is a total bitch, I knew about it but i was trying to keep up with a zx9r and through the twists was the only way i could over take. I was right up his tail pipe and followed his completely wrong line through that one! luckly I knew about it and as soon as i realised i hit the brakes chucked it in and over(under) took the bastard! hehe he had to come to a complete stop :D :D

[jrandom]

hehe he had to come to a complete stop :D :D

Yes, it can be like that sometimes eh?

I wonder if boomer would like to share the story of how he lost his 'That Left-Hander After Kawakawa Bay' virginity...

:laugh:

[dipshit]

With all due respec oooooooooooooold man, you ride so slow the road could turn into on off camberd downhill left hander coverd in ice and be no problem with you.


Isn't that the point? Riding at a pace that hitting one unforeseen bump could take your life, isn't actually terribly bright.

Motorcyclists are falling off the road all by themselves at an a alarming rate in NZ. It isn't other motorists fault or the road's fault.

[The Pastor]

Isn't that the point? Riding at a pace that hitting one unforeseen bump could take your life, isn't actually terribly bright.

Motorcyclists are falling off the road all by themselves at an a alarming rate in NZ. It isn't other motorists fault or the road's fault.
I dont disagree with you.

[Biggles08]

susspension set up? I have a 92 250. It dosent have adjustable susspension. but the dip is just big enough to fit a front tyre in. i'll see if i can google earth it.


I know the dip your talking about but I have to disagree with you...it is visible and manageable at a speed above the legal limit...if you are however riding at 10/10 of your/your bikes ability then you will run into problems with it...that is why you should never ever ever ride at 10/10 on the road...keep it at 8/10 max and this will give you room for movement in these unplanned circumstances.

[jrandom]

10/10... 8/10...

OK, I want to know what's up with all this 10/10, riding at 47.8% on alternate Tuesdays but otherwise 8/10 to be safe stuff.

Is there a gauge Kawasakis have that Suzukis don't? Because I sure as hell don't have anything telling me what particular percentage of the 'limit' I'm at. Anyway, what's the 'limit'? You can't just define it as tyre traction and ability to brake and turn and keep yourself on the road, or you might as well be on the track.

All I ever know is, I feel good or I feel bad. If I feel bad, I slow down until I feel good.

The percentage thing seems pretty unquantifiable to me.

[Ixion]

It's a qualitative thing, not quantitative

10/10 is (once you stop shaking) " F**k, I don't how I pulled that off and stayed upright. I do NOT want to do that again"
9/10 is " Whoa, that was hard going. I don't think I could take that any faster and stay upright"
8/10 is "Erp, I glad that nothing went wrong there, I think I maybe better slow down"
7/10 is "OK, this is good, I'm in the zone and going well, but still feel relaxed and comfortable. I think I'll turn round and go back and do that again"

and so downward

You know quite well that you are aware when you push too ahrd in a corner. And, conversely.

[jrandom]

10/10 is (once you stop shaking) " F**k, I don't how I pulled that off and stayed upright. I do NOT want to do that again"
9/10 is " Whoa, that was hard going. I don't think I could take that any faster and stay upright"
8/10 is "Erp, I glad that nothing went wrong there, I think I maybe better slow down"
7/10 is "OK, this is good, I'm in the zone and going well, but still feel relaxed and comfortable. I think I'll turn round and go back and do that again"

Mm, true, but, f'rinstance, if I keep slowing down, 1/10 becomes a very slow wobbly U-turn on a 250kg motorcycle, which starts getting butt-clenchy again.

It's like Möbius percentages.

Far out, man.

:doobey:

[Motu]

It's a personal thing too - it's your 7/10ths and no one else's.And that cruisey 7/10ths of having a good time can suddenly become 12/10ths turning your day to shit.Today I rode slowly....maybe 6/10ths on my personal scale,and I was very aware that it could all go horribly wrong in the blink of an eye.It's what riding a bike is all about....filling in the gaps.I like to run a ride through my mind at the end of the day - there are so many things that could have gone wrong,you pick them up on the replay.....but you never saw them at the time.

[James Deuce]

....but either way there are too many bikers hurting and killing themselves all by themselves lately.


No there's not. It's the same as always. We just blather about it far too much. We start off with about 12 threads per bin which eventually get merged so each individual bin ALWAYS starts off looking like some WWII Russian village massacre. Don't give me the lecture about learning from others mistakes either because motorcyclists don't do that as a rule. Some of them say they want to but they're just trying to keep up appearances.

If we stopped obsessing about it and went riding instead we'd all be doing ourselves a favour.

[EnzoYug]

is real. I almost lost my lane running that lump a bit quick with a group.
Went very wide.

poor rider. suckfull way to go back to work.

[gtr boy]

Well if motorcyclists continue to use it as their own personal racetrack, these stupid things will continue to occur. There are good reasons why real race tracks have all the vehicles going the SAME way, and why power/phone poles and fences cannot be found.
Was thru there yesterday and saw many 'temporary' kiwi motorcyclists 'at it'.
Wake up to yourselves.

thats pretty harsh mate,you dont know the facts ,and youve never given it the large???on the streets???
im fully awake too

[The Pastor]

thats pretty harsh mate,you dont know the facts ,and youve never given it the large???on the streets???
im fully awake too
fully awake at 3am? Lay off the coffe mate!

[Biggles08]

Is there a gauge Kawasakis have that Suzukis don't?

yeah mate...it has this little LED scale that transmits to your helmet when your riding too hard on the road...there are some other things Kwakas have that suzuki's don't too...like style, class, speed, reliability and a real high wank factor :woohoo: hehehehe

[SixPackBack]

yeah mate...it has this little LED scale that transmits to your helmet when your riding too hard on the road...there are some other things Kwakas have that suzuki's don't too...like style, class, speed, reliability and a real high wank factor :woohoo: hehehehe

And lets not forget delusional riders..........:whistle:

[Biggles08]

And lets not forget delusional riders..........:whistle:

Who....what??? Who said that??? Come out and fight like a man! :2guns:

[SixPackBack]

Who....what??? Who said that??? Come out and fight like a man! :2guns:

When you're healed we can fight. The thought of that bag exploding frightens me more than tag wrestling Tonka!:buggerd:

[Edbear]

No there's not. It's the same as always. We just blather about it far too much. We start of with about 12 threads per bin which eventually get merged so each individual bin ALWAYS starts off looking like some WWII Russian village massacre. Don't give me the lecture about learning from others mistakes either because motorcyclists don't do that as a rule. Some of them say they want to but they're just trying to keep up appearances.

If we stopped obsessing about it and went riding instead we'd all be doing ourselves a favour.

Nothing to do with KB mate, it's just the impression I get from the news.

[James Deuce]

You've got your biker BinDar on. Turn it off.

[Grahameeboy]

No there's not. It's the same as always. We just blather about it far too much. We start off with about 12 threads per bin which eventually get merged so each individual bin ALWAYS starts off looking like some WWII Russian village massacre. Don't give me the lecture about learning from others mistakes either because motorcyclists don't do that as a rule. Some of them say they want to but they're just trying to keep up appearances.

If we stopped obsessing about it and went riding instead we'd all be doing ourselves a favour.

You are right Sir Jim...we seem to think we should not have accidents...more people die from smoking and alcohol...but Mum's the word eh ??

[gunnyrob]

Saw a bit of the aftermath, SCU were taking measurements, one waggled his finger at me as I went past heading south. A crane was in the process of lifting his bike up the bank, looks like he went through a fence as he went down the bank. Hope he/she pulls through o.k.

As others have said, it's an excellent road, just treat with respect.

[ducatijim]

[QUOTE=SixPackBack;1486609]Save the lecture dude, you do not know the details. 16 is open, wide, flowing with no supprises-it is in fact a great riding road that is well maintained.
QUOTE]

Oh, I realise that any 'lecture' would fall on deaf and dumb ears here, that was why my comment was merely an opinion.

No, I wasn't there, however bike v countryside = rider fuck-up,( usually!!)

And, thanks for your expert opinion of SH16, but I can make my own call on it, as I too ride it.

I wonder if 15 minutes of adrenalin 'rush' will compensate for a lifetime of limp?
When someone else takes you out, now that sux; nobody deserves that and they would receive all my sympathy, but the likes of folk who send their 'prilla down the road into on-coming cars, well those folk should not be riding on public roads.
Harsh? no, its just good manners really.:calm:

[Katman]

No there's not. It's the same as always. We just blather about it far too much. We start off with about 12 threads per bin which eventually get merged so each individual bin ALWAYS starts off looking like some WWII Russian village massacre. Don't give me the lecture about learning from others mistakes either because motorcyclists don't do that as a rule. Some of them say they want to but they're just trying to keep up appearances.

If we stopped obsessing about it and went riding instead we'd all be doing ourselves a favour.

Jim, just because you got tired of smelling of stale piss and sold out doesn't mean the rest of us who are concerned by the constant display of irresponsibility on motorcycles are prepared to do the same.

I used to see you as a man of conviction and action but these days you come across more like a ditzy blonde trying to figure out which shoulder her hair would look better tossed over.

[Motu]

No there's not. It's the same as always. We just blather about it far too much.

Jim2's right - there is a bit of fluctuation over the years,but we have been crashing bikes since they were invented.Before the internet you only knew someone who crashed if you knew them personally or you had at least seen them in the flesh and knew who they were.You might of heard about it weeks later when someone said ''Hey,did you hear about......?'' Now I hear about a bike that crashed on SH16 within hours....and so does the rest of the world if they so desire.I don't know the guy or what bike he was riding,but I do know the road.Not nice - but it's never been nice.

[Katman]

The point that some of us are trying to make Motu is that there needs to be an improvement in the manner in which motorcyclists conduct themselves on the roads. The fact that motorcyclists might have been conducting themselves like that since the year dot doesn't change the fact that attitudes need to change - otherwise one day the government might just decide to take the whole matter out of our hands.

[tri boy]

Here's an idea, a part of the govt fuel tax for cars/bikes can be converted into a sort of fly buys point, that can be redeemed at a race track to hire one of Shauns bikes for an hour session. (say 2000 points gets you an hour of tutorial riding).
Riders get their speed jollies every 3months if they are heavy fuel users, ACC get better riders, Shaun and people like him can make a reasonable living passing on riding skills. Everybody wins. Damn, theres the problem, the Govt arn't forward thinking.

[Toaster]

Mm, true, but, f'rinstance, if I keep slowing down, 1/10 becomes a very slow wobbly U-turn on a 250kg motorcycle, which starts getting butt-clenchy again.

Try a 350kg cruiser..... :niceone:

[James Deuce]

jrandom's already made the point that needs to be made and illustrates perfectly that there is nothing you can do for those with an empty cranium. They know about the bump, but they still whinge about "it pushing" them into oncoming traffic.

Some of us have that experience once on a particular piece of road and modify our behaviour to suit in future. The n00b testosterone/oestrogen (increasingly) suicide bombers (we should call them Hezbikkah) will count it as a rite of passage and hit it at ever increasing speeds and ever decreasing available talent until it all goes pear shaped and then complain about the road surface.

Those of us with a ken for avoiding stress whilst motorcycling will barely have a clue about that which the Hezbikkah are complaining because we whistled through that bend in 1983, discovered the bump, stored it away and our line is permanently modified. Or our subconcious spotted it and moved us around it. Often at speeds the Hezbikkah dream of but seldom hit without a trip to ICU.

[sAsLEX]

You can build up plenty of speed on that stretch,


Jesus, dude, start riding to the conditions.

There's nothing wrong with that bit of road.


and there ain't no dodgy surface there


[QUOTE=SixPackBack;1486609]
No, I wasn't there, however bike v countryside = rider fuck-up,( usually!!)


Just done 1000km southish and 16 is like a billiard table compared to SH22, that things has jumps,bumps and potholes big enough and ugly enough to seriously upset your bike....... thats what makes it fun! It has to be treated with respect.

Though saying Single Vehicle Accidents must be rider error is taking to polarised a view. There is some serious shortfalls in some of our roads, my favourite is the unmarked seal repairs that leave gravel nicely hidden right on the line, sure you should easily adjust for it, but it is a situation caused by poor road repair. So some of the blame for these accidents goes to road condition, maybe poor bike set up, maybe a lot of things.

I know this morning I nearly fell into a pothole that more than likely would of had me off the road due to its size and depth which was very hard to pick up due to shadows and road colouration. I had the whole corner clearly sighted could see through the exit and that there was no traffic, but this hole was hidden....... would of it been entirely my fault if I had of hit it and come off?

[James Deuce]

would of it been entirely my fault if I had of hit it and come off?

Unfortunately statistical analysis and making the road user responsible for dodging crappy repairs would make it so.

[Katman]

And regardless of the excuses that Jim has put forward, I would would put it entirely down to rider fault.

We must always ride to the conditions put in front of us.

[James Deuce]

I didn't put a single excuse forward. You may want to try some after school remedial reading.

I do my best to "ride to the conditions". When they change I speed up.

However a big chunk of motorcyclists just go hard out and you can whinge as much as you want. They aren't going to change. A lot of them when they are taking it easy are still illegal in practically everything they do.

[sAsLEX]

I would would put it entirely down to rider fault.



Even not knowing ANY of the facts!

Wow you are amazing, I am going to believe everything you say!

[Dave_G]

[QUOTE=Katman;1487661]And regardless of the excuses that Jim has put forward, I would would put it entirely down to rider fault.

So what makes it rider fault genius? Haven't seen anything in the press to say that it is or isn't, thats simply your assumption. You ride the way you want to, I'll ride the way I want, simple as that. This isn't a club where everyone gets a vote, its just using a vehicle on the road, where there are rules. If you break those rules, then you take your chances, and it aint your business what I do- but if you don't like it you have 2 choices, *555 or piss off.

[Biggles08]

And regardless of the excuses that Jim has put forward, I would would put it entirely down to rider fault.

We must always ride to the conditions put in front of us.

So a car parked around a blind corner with the driver out of his vehicle in the other lane is rider beware situation is it? Ride to the conditions ALWAYS is it? Always the riders fault in a bin is it? Your a cock Katman...fucking pull your head in and wait to find the facts out first before blaming the poor guy/girl thats in a bit of pain right now. YOU DO NOT KNOW!

It may be rider error but that doesn't change anything at this point...your still a cock for presuming anything at this stage...I'm glad you weren't at my accident scene last year when the above scenario happened to me...you'd be too busy blaming me for the accident to call the ambulance while you preached to me about how I should have been riding to the conditions! There are other vehicles on the road too fella! :blink:

[Boob Johnson]

Well if motorcyclists continue to use it as their own personal racetrack, these stupid things will continue to occur. There are good reasons why real race tracks have all the vehicles going the SAME way, and why power/phone poles and fences cannot be found.
Was thru there yesterday and saw many 'temporary' kiwi motorcyclists 'at it'.
Wake up to yourselves.
Oh for goodness sakes :shutup:

Where does it mention ANYTHING about how he crashed? Other than no other vehicles involved, no more info than that.

Pull ya head in clown

[CookMySock]

but the dip is just big enough to fit a front tyre in. i'll see if i can google earth it.you can see the dip with googleearth ?? :blink:

DB

[Boob Johnson]

I know the dip your talking about but I have to disagree with you...it is visible and manageable at a speed above the legal limit...if you are however riding at 10/10 of your/your bikes ability then you will run into problems with it...that is why you should never ever ever ride at 10/10 on the road...keep it at 8/10 max and this will give you room for movement in these unplanned circumstances.
Hard to disagree with that one. RM does ride a lil 2 fiddy so that would explain that I guess.

[CookMySock]

there's a huge kick in the ass bump on on of the corners when you're coming down the hill.I rode right around the east cape loop and that was all perfectly cool, but there was one lip in the road on a left-hander about 4km east of Awakeri on SH2 that gave my bike a WICKED frame-flex twang. It's only noticeable heading west. I knew it was there as I have travelled that road heaps, but this was my first time over it at 120k on a bike. Not just a bump, but one hell of a whip it was. I shudder to think what it would do at 'speed'.

DB

[CookMySock]

OK, I want to know what's up with all this 10/10, riding at 47.8% on alternate Tuesdays but otherwise 8/10 to be safe stuff.

[snip]

All I ever know is, I feel good or I feel bad. If I feel bad, I slow down until I feel good.

The percentage thing seems pretty unquantifiable to me.Exactly. This is called "experience". It's not a good thing to rely upon ultimately, because you may not have the required amount of it in this situation, or any of it at all, or you might be tired, or something.

Anyway, whatever may be said about it, people are going to continue the age-old kiwi tradition of extending themselves on motorcycles, and long may it last IMO. Just remember, you are not a god - you are flesh and blood, and your parents will cry for months, if not years, if you kill yerself. Have fun, but be cool please.

DB

[Boob Johnson]

And Katman is at it again :rolleyes:

Katman you seem desperate for people to listen to you yet you come across as an ignorant old man, how much longer do you need to be told before YOU work that one out :Pokey:


ALWAYS!!!???


You loose any credibility/respect you may have had when you crap on like this hence why you get the reactions you do from so many. The message is a good one it's just many think your a wanker & don't listen to you. Do you REALLY care about this subject? I think not, because if you did you would pull your head in for the sakes of it. Your just a bitter old man who has a bee in his bonnet about the shitty cards you have either been dealt or how you played with what you got. How bout apply your own riding theories to your own life & pull your head in :Pokey:

[CookMySock]

Permit my further Opinion on this also ;

10/10 is (once you stop shaking) " F**k, I don't how I pulled that off and stayed upright. I do NOT want to do that again"

"Fuck that was stupid. I was well in excess of my and my bikes' ability and was this close to killing my stupid fucking self. Get a fucking clue."

9/10 is " Whoa, that was hard going. I don't think I could take that any faster and stay upright"

"wow, that was too fast. I am playing with statistics doing shit like that. SLOW DOWN!"

8/10 is "Erp, I glad that nothing went wrong there, I think I maybe better slow down"

"FARRRRK, if something went wrong there I would have been killed. That was stupid."

7/10 is "OK, this is good, I'm in the zone and going well, but still feel relaxed and comfortable. I think I'll turn round and go back and do that again"

"Ok I haven't been this quick through here before, but I'm feeling really confident - I wonder why ? I've had my fun - I'll back off for a while I think. No sense playing with statistics. Tomorrow's another day."


DB

[CookMySock]

little LED scale that transmits to your helmet when your riding too hard on the road..When my visor starts to fog up I'm going too hard.

DB

[CookMySock]

And regardless of the excuses that [anyone] has put forward, I would would put it entirely down to rider fault. We must always ride to the conditions put in front of us.Precisely. There is only one person with their hand on the throttle and that is YOU. The law quite clearly states that you must be able to stop in the clear distance in front of you.

You can argue with this until the sky turns black, but the bottom line is "if you are dead, then you are WRONG, son."

DB

[Pixie]

True. True

However I suspect the real reason you notice that dip is that it caught you out once by sheer chance , and now you have a sort of mental target fixation. You know the dip is coming up , must watch out for the dip, don't get caught by the dip, where's that dip, oh shit. Happens.

If it's only a small aberation other riders may never encounter it.

The "dip" is,in fact, a step that traverses the north bound lane on the first lefthand bend after the Cleasby Hill look out.
It is a slumped section of road that is due to crappy design and construction of the road.
The best line through the corner is to hug the shoulder line - the drop off is less pronounced there.
And yes it will bounce you into on coming traffic.
They will put up some "temporary" uneven surface signs on it now.

I ride 16 at least once a week.

[sAsLEX]

The "dip" is,in fact, a step that traverses the north bound lane on the first lefthand bend after the Cleasby Hill look out.
It is a slumped section of road that is due to crappy design and construction of the road.
The best line through the corner is to hug the shoulder line - the drop off is less pronounced there.
And yes it will bounce you into on coming traffic.
They will put up some "temporary" uneven surface signs on it now.

There is stuff like this all over, very often unmarked and very often difficult to pick up at even sub speed limit speeds, and most of the time the effect it has on the bike is rather pronounced.




I ride 16 at least once a week.

One would bloody hope so!

[Pixie]

I was talking to a woman at the autoparts co. in Helensville today.She was on the scene of the accident minutes after it happened.
Apparently the rider was heading south and fell off on the up hill stretch of Cleasby Hill.
It would probably have been another routine off,except,he hit one of TRANSIT NZ 's FRANGIBLE SIGN POSTS.
This is what took his leg off.
And you thought wire rope barriers were Transit's only weapon against riders.

I now know of one death and one maiming directly due to these fucking signs

[Brett]

I was talking to a woman at the autoparts co. in Helensville today.She was on the scene of the accident minutes after it happened.
Apparently the rider was heading south and fell off on the up hill stretch of Cleasby Hill.
It would probably have been another routine off,except,he hit one of TRANSIT NZ 's FRANGIBLE SIGN POSTS.
This is what took his leg off.
And you thought wire rope barriers were Transit's only weapon against riders.

I now know of one death and one maiming directly due to these fucking signs

WHich signs are these? IE - What type are they? I am not sure I am picturing the right ones.

[Pixie]

WHich signs are these? IE - What type are they? I am not sure I am picturing the right ones.

Yellow and black chevron signs on corners