Serious question for the males on this site

[Mrs Busa Pete]

No joking please as this is a serious question. One of the reasons i stopped going into the office as much as i should of was.. you got one of my co workers.

Ok i like to joke around and i dont think i done anything to encourage this person in fact i was very blunt with them at times but why is it they think you are someone they can come onto. Anyone that knows me knows that i'm only joking (well i bloody hope so) and that i love my husband very much and would not do anything like that.

Should i be going to work with buttoned to the neck shirt sit there and be quiet and not say a thing just so i'm not put in that postion.
















One last thing I WANT A SMOKE

[jrandom]

It's all your fault for being so damn sexy.

[SixPackBack]

Not like you to hold back Wendy, a straight up FUCK OFF should have sorted the issue. Alternativley making an official complaint always helps.
And no its not your fault in anyway.

[98tls]

Next time sleazy even hints at anything stand up and very loudly tell him to fuck off,that should work.:niceone:

[Mrs Busa Pete]

Not like you to hold back Wendy, a straight up FUCK OF should have sorted the issue. Alternativley making an official complaint always helps.
And no its not your fault in anyway.

Mate i tryed that i even said that if he was the last men on earth i would make sure i had a supplie of cucumbers but did not work.



But why is it a guy has to take it further.

[Patrick]

Don't let him. You take it further instead. "Sexual harassment" is what it is called. Watch em squirm....

[Mrs Busa Pete]

Don't let him. You take it further instead. "Sexual harassment" is what it is called. Watch em squirm....

I know that but to honest i can't be bothered i have left now.


Also i was self employed and was contracted to the company was not sure if you could do that.

[Laava]

Reading between the lines W, I am guessing that this is a guy that you actually like OTHER than the fact he is hitting on you. Tricky situation tho, you will have to try various angles. You can try the old "Sorry if I led you on" bit even if you didn't. Been there before except it was my fault! Good luck:confused:

[Mrs Busa Pete]

Reading between the lines W, I am guessing that this is a guy that you actually like OTHER than the fact he is hitting on you. Tricky situation tho, you will have to try various angles. You can try the old "Sorry if I led you on" bit even if you didn't. Been there before except it was my fault! Good luck:confused:


No i have quit now with a little bit of a push from the manger.

[nodrog]

No joking please as this is a serious question. One of the reasons i stopped going into the office as much as i should of was.. you got one of my co workers.

Ok i like to joke around and i dont think i done anything to encourage this person in fact i was very blunt with them at times but why is it they think you are someone they can come onto. Anyone that knows me knows that i'm only joking (well i bloody hope so) and that i love my husband very much and would not do anything like that.

Should i be going to work with buttoned to the neck shirt sit there and be quiet and not say a thing just so i'm not put in that postion.
















One last thing I WANT A SMOKE

its not like you to turn a man down Pete?????

[Colapop]

Mate i tryed that i even said that if he was the last men on earth i would make sure i had a supplie of cucumbers but did not work.
But why is it a guy has to take it further.
I'll be up there in a couple of weeks with some spare time... want I should "have a yarn" to him?

[jrandom]

I'll be up there in a couple of weeks with some spare time... want I should "have a yarn" to him?

What would that actually entail?

You're not really the slickest manipulator of the human psyche I've ever met; in fact, you're a very straightforward chap. (Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, mind you.)

So, presumably, you're implying that you'd threaten the guy with violence.

Would you actually follow through on that and assault him?

That seems quite sub-optimal and a bit pointless to me. How would you ending up in court and screwing your life up with a violent criminal conviction be worthwhile over such a trivial matter? Heck, how would it ever be worthwhile?

And if you'd just be blowing hot air, well... why should he take any notice of you?

I get a bit annoyed, y'know, with such meatheaded approaches to personal issues. They really don't work that well.

Anyway, Mrs BP wasn't asking for advice on how to deal with the situation - it's over and done with already. She was asking for our thoughts on why men behave that way in the first place.

[ynot slow]

Pretty much short if kneeing to the nads,then an uppercut what more can you do? Some guys can't get through their thick heads not interested in you.

My wife was getting flowers for about 6 mths daily,after she split from her husband about 10 yr ago,from this guy who wanted to see her,she found out who it was,told him never in your wildest dreams bucko(or worse language),then he saw me with her,(I used to hang out with him now and again at a pub)he would still ask her out when I was in toilet or at the bar,one day he was pissed and he grabbed at her top to get her tits,I was at the bar,and pub was 3/4 full,he got a knee in the nuts and two guys all but ready to deck him,if he wasn't spralled in agony.

Hehe my ex was stalking a guy a few years ago,she didn't know I knew him,he went out with her a couple of times,she would phone,call round,went on for a few weeks,so it happens for guys too.

[Edbear]

Sorry to hear that Wendy. No-one should have to put up with that, but as said, some blokes are just so full of themselves they can't believe any woman wouldn't want them!

Knowing Pete, I wouldn't want to try it on with you! How's he feel? I know he'd support you.

[Colapop]

What would that actually entail?

You're not really the slickest manipulator of the human psyche I've ever met; in fact, you're a very straightforward chap. (Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, mind you.)
So, presumably, you're implying that you'd threaten the guy with violence.
Would you actually follow through on that and assault him?
That seems quite sub-optimal and a bit pointless to me. How would you ending up in court and screwing your life up with a violent criminal conviction be worthwhile over such a trivial matter? Heck, how would it ever be worthwhile?
And if you'd just be blowing hot air, well... why should he take any notice of you? I get a bit annoyed, y'know, with such meatheaded approaches to personal issues. They really don't work that well.
Anyway, Mrs BP wasn't asking for advice on how to deal with the situation - it's over and done with already. She was asking for our thoughts on why men behave that way in the first place.
Would that necessarily entail that I visit upon him physical violence? I am my size, it is true but often mistaken for a violent person. It is interesting that I am unfairly judged in this way. Am I known so well by anything other than the persona of "Colapop"? Do you truly know what intellect or capabilities I actually have? Or are you basing your assumptions on that which you "know" to be "true"? "Having a yarn" does not have to mean anything other than that. Speaking on behalf of a friend whom I respect. I would like the same done for me if the need arose.

My comment does not offer advice but perhaps support. Yours? More interested in having your views aired than giving support or advice? Who's calling the kettle black Mr Pot?

[jrandom]

I am... often mistaken for a violent person.

:laugh:

People are so unfair.


My comment does not offer advice but perhaps support. Yours?

I was responding to you, not Wendy.

The simple answer to her original question is that some men are thoughtless, selfish bastards, end of story.


giving support or advice

Wendy wasn't asking for either. She was asking for insight. A subtly different request.

[Beemer]

Years ago I was interested in motorsport photography and this guy from the camera club I belonged to arranged to take about half a dozen club members up to Manfeild with him to cover one of the race meetings. I went along and afterwards he invited me to his place to go through my photos and offer constructive criticism. He was a bit pissed off that my photos were good and there was not much he could offer that would improve them, so from then on I arranged my own entry into the race meetings and didn't ask for his advice. I also started selling my photos and that didn't thrill him either!

The club meetings were in Oriental Bay and afterwards several of us would head to the cafe across the road for a coffee. One night he walked back to my car with me as he was parked nearby, and when I said goodnight he leaned over and kissed me. I was horrified because not only did I not particularly like him as a person, I was definitely not attracted to him! He is one of those quite old-fashioned looking pale guys with bad dress sense, a thick beard and scruffy hair - ugh! I can't remember what I said to him but I made it pretty obvious he had gone too far and I was not interested.

A few months later I was talking to some people and he was there too, and I mentioned a really cute Finnish rally driver (Toni Gardemeister - yum!) I'd met at the Rally of NZ and this creep said "but I didn't think you liked men". He obviously thought that because I didn't fancy HIM, I must be a lesbian! I just looked at him and said "of course I like men, it's just that I am fussy!"

Last I heard he was still living at home with mummy - he's in his 40s - but after that incident he started hitting on other young women in the club and I think he was either asked to leave or given an official warning. Creep!

[Mrs Busa Pete]

You know no one answer my question i have had some very good advice offered and i thank you for that.

But i still would like to know why men feel they can take it bit further than they need to. Is it testosterone i mean this guy made me feel very uncomfortable in the office at times.




And jrandom i am far from sexy so that couldn't be the answer. But you have got the guts of my question.

[sinfull]

But i still would like to know why men feel they can take it bit further than they need to.

I think you will find this guy is a controll freak !!! If you know any ladies that have gone out with him, or even guys that know him away from the office ask them what he's like with a little alcohol in his system ! Bet you will find him to be pushy to the point of frightening (to a lady alone at his place)

Or he is just a half wit who thought thought if he kept trying you would weaken and accept his offer !

[MyGSXF]

But i still would like to know why men feel they can take it bit further than they need to. Is it testosterone i mean this guy made me feel very uncomfortable in the office at times

Sounds like typical power & control shyte! <_< (Probably wasn't allowed to suck on mummy's boob long enough as a toddler! :bash:)

[sinfull]

St St St Stutter

[ManDownUnder]

You, him and someone he respects (someone in power, branch manager?)

Sit down. Spell out in uncertain terms what you see is going on, and the fact it is GOING TO STOP. Reinforce the fact this could be escalated, and will be if it doesn't stop... it's his choice.

To answer the original question, it keeps going because the line between "keep chasing me... I'm playing hard to get" and "No, I'm serious - you're a pain in the arse" are very blurred - always have been. It's a matter of interpretation and some interpret it VERY differently to others.

A clear signal needs to be issued that even that dumbest arse will pick up on (outlined above).

Should that signal not work, then formal harrassment action needs to be taken.

[Mrs Busa Pete]

You, him and someone he respects (someone in power, branch manager?)

Sit down. Spell out in uncertain terms what you see is going on, and the fact it is GOING TO STOP. Reinforce the fact this could be escalated, and will be if it doesn't stop... it's his choice.

To answer the original question, it keeps going because the line between "keep chasing me... I'm playing hard to get" and "No, I'm serious - you're a pain in the arse" are very blurred - always have been. It's a matter of interpretation and some interpret it VERY differently to others.

A clear signal needs to be issued that even that dumbest arse will pick up on (outlined above).

Should that signal not work, then formal harrassment action needs to be taken.


So me telling him if he was the last man on earth i would make sure i had a supplie of cucumbers wasn't blunt enough.

[ManDownUnder]

So me telling him if he was the last man on earth i would make sure i had a supplie of cucumbers wasn't blunt enough.

To be honest - for some... no. Not many are that bad, but the problem is it's still worded like a joke. I've gotten myself into trouble a couple of times through my use of humour to diffuse a situation when a black and white statement with some grunt behind it was needed.

[Al]

It is a difficult situation to be in Mrs BP.
I am an OHS Mnager and we have strict anti-harassment policies in place to deal with discrimination, bullying, intimidation and sexual harassment. The gubmint also has an anti discrimination commission and the support from them is fantastic.
Pity that you were placed in that situation without the support from management though.

Take care

Al

[MyGSXF]

So me telling him if he was the last man on earth i would make sure i had a supplie of cucumbers wasn't blunt enough.

No, a guy like this would think of that as a kinky come on! :buggerd:

MDU has got it.. you need to tell him in very clear, precise no nonsense language.. getting straight to the point that you will NOT tolerate this harassment any longer & if it doesn't stop, you will take further action.. ie: the Police :Playnice:

[Colapop]

The way I see it, Wendy, you have a personality that is quite open and refreshing. A good sense of humour and a quick mind. Obviously this guy is drawn to that. He can't see the signs or hear what you're saying because of his attraction.

"Why do guys have to take it too far?" Yes, it is a male thing but your question is too general. Obviously not all guys are like that, he has certain throwback ('50's) qualities about his behaviour. I would think it's quite common in real estate that men are quite forward (go-getters perhaps?) the kind that don't take no for an answer? The industry itself has a concentration of guys like that. Why do guys take it too far? Because they think you're "just a woman". No insult intended to you or any other women but there are guys who are still like that.

[CookMySock]

But i still would like to know why men feel they can take it bit further than they need to. Is it testosterone i mean this guy made me feel very uncomfortable in the office at times.Boys are tryers. They are always going to try it on, and sometimes it gets unwelcome.

Look, tell him straight up that you don't want to fuck him, and really you feel quite uncomfortable about it all, and some days you don't want to come to work because if it. I think you will find he is quite shocked at this explanation, probably because he had no idea about how you really feel.

It is easy for boys to think girls are feeling fine, when they are NOT... and it's easy for girls to think guys should just GET IT, but in all fairness a concise explanation is really what he needs.

Never be afraid to tell a boy to "get it", and offer him a full, frank, and concise explanation on exactly what the problem is... and EXPECT him to get it.

If he aint gunna get it, then call in the cavalry to deal with him - not your problem.

It's all a bit unfortunate really.. what girls REALLY would like ALL boys to not be interested any more ? at all ? No ? I didn't think so. So it's hard for them to call it too.


DB

[GaZBur]

So me telling him if he was the last man on earth i would make sure i had a supplie of cucumbers wasn't blunt enough.

Well obviously not because it implies there is something wrong with you!
Whats wrong with you?? Have you no taste as he is obviously in his mind a sex god.
It would have been better to say, "thanks, lots of men find me attractive but the way you come on really is a bit creepy, you should work on it!"

[CookMySock]

The way I see it, Wendy, you have a personality that is quite open and refreshing. A good sense of humour and a quick mind. Obviously this guy is drawn to that. He can't see the signs or hear what you're saying because of his attraction.This is often, and easily misinterpreted as "I like you", rather than him seeing this as "just who you are". Please carry on being your bubbly self - the world needs more of you.


Why do guys take it too far? Because they think you're "just a woman". No insult intended to you or any other women but there are guys who are still like that.I think that is an unfair and dangerous statement. I think many (90%?) guys simply don't get it - and that's all. I didn't get it for so long, until I was TOLD. I honestly didn't know the harm that I caused. It was hard for her to speak up, but she did, and so must all of you ladies. I was horrified to discover what mayhem I had caused.

There are few real haters like this out there, and certainly none that I know personally that would carry such a mentality that colapop suggests.

If he is NOT going to get it, then you should get some professional support pronto and get him processed. Nasty, but not your problem.

DB

[tri boy]

The guy sounds starved for female intimacy of any sort. Hasn't grown up past puberty, (poor male role model?), and past women may have encouraged his sexual drivel.
He's bound to get kneed in the knacker's, but that probably won't modify his behaviour. He's a little boy in a man's body. MHO:mellow:

[Patrick]

I know that but to honest i can't be bothered i have left now.

Also i was self employed and was contracted to the company was not sure if you could do that.


No i have quit now with a little bit of a push from the manger.

Which is probably what other women have said in the past perhaps... "Can't be bothered..."?

Maybe he has been getting away with it for who knows how long??

A little push from the Manager... Hmmm.... Was he aware of the behaviour? Constructive Dismissal discussions could be held with an Employment Specialist and this Manager with his deviant mate perhaps????

[Mom]

To be honest - for some... no. Not many are that bad, but the problem is it's still worded like a joke.

Sledge hammers work for them I have been told :innocent:


No, a guy like this would think of that as a kinky come on! :buggerd:

Some odd blokes around eh chicky?


The way I see it, Wendy, you have a personality that is quite open and refreshing. A good sense of humour and a quick mind. Obviously this guy is drawn to that. He can't see the signs or hear what you're saying because of his attraction.

I would think it's quite common in real estate that men are quite forward (go-getters perhaps?) the kind that don't take no for an answer? The industry itself has a concentration of guys like that. Why do guys take it too far? Because they think you're "just a woman". No insult intended to you or any other women but there are guys who are still like that.

A thinking man I see.

Wendy love, you are a wonderful, bubbly, rude, fabulous woman! That is sexy!

You know me, I am friendly, bubbly too. I once worked in a place as a contractor where there was this guy who really was a sleaze. There were two females working there, one in the shop working along side him and me who used to come down and do the tills and what have you. This guy used any excuse to touch, rub past you, make slutty coments etc. The employee complained to the boss who had an ineffectual talk to this creep.

I told the boss that I was about to go and have a word with him, and that if he touched me again I would terminate my contract on the spot. Boss, says no, dont do that and went and had further words with sleaze. Few days later this person made the mistake of rubbing past me while I was doing the change for the tills (small gap between counter and display behind). In the shop, in front of customers I told him if he so much as came within a metre of me again I would slap his dirty face and report him to the Police for indecent assualt. I was not polite, I was not quiet, I did not swear, but I sure made my point. He was so embarrassed! GOOD!

BTW, he never came within touching distance of me again. Good result!

[martybabe]

I said recently in a wedding speech , to the bride," remember your new husband is a man, Hints dont work,If you want something,ask" or in this case if you don't want something, tell.

As was said above this guy is a chancer and a boy, not a man. I've met many of his kind in the past,tossers but.

I've got a very good female friend who told me that her ex kept bothering her for sex, this despite telling him that she still wanted him as a friend but intimacy would never be on the agenda again. After a bit of detective work ,it turned out he occasionally stopped at her place,no prob. sometimes stopped over night. when he stopped they shared the only bed she had. mmmkay. Here it comes..when they shared a bed,she slept naked, she always had,She had no idea why this would encourage the bloke because she had already explained she didn't want sex???? The point being,she's saying one thing he's getting a whole different picture.

As for your particular twat... You flirt, he thinks your interested. You rebuf him with a joke, he thinks your interested. He don't here if you were the last bloke on earth, he hears cucumbers and sexual innuendo.

If you took it to him through your boss, I bet ya he'd be amazed that you are upset, in his pervy/immature/stupid eyes your playing along, just a bit of bannter. I'm not excusing him infact I say shoot the fucker, I'm just trying to explain why some pitiful examples of manhood take it too far.

In short there is only one message for blokes like that, uncomfortable as it may be. You've got to tell em loud and clear to fuck off!

I am so sorry you've had to leave because of this pervy twat. It's not right.

P.s. sorry if I've gone to far but you I'm just trying to explain why some men don't get the message as you asked. all the best MB

[CookMySock]

I am so sorry you've had to leave because of this pervy twat. It's not right.She didn't have to leave.

No female HAS to do anything because of ANY male. It's critical to be clear about this.

Girls, say what you mean, and mean what you say. Expect to be heard.

DB

[mstriumph]

Mate i tryed that i even said that if he was the last men on earth i would make sure i had a supplie of cucumbers but did not work.



But why is it a guy has to take it further. dunno
- i ended up having to hit one around the ear with a piece of heavy office equipment once ..... :rolleyes: - and even after THAT, when he regained conciousness, he said "was that a yes?"

sometimes you just can't win .....

[Mom]

In short there is only one message for blokes like that, uncomfortable as it may be. You've got to tell em loud and clear to fuck off!
I am so sorry you've had to leave because of this pervy twat. It's not right.


Well said that man! Lucky there are some really awesome, decent men around to overtip the balance eh mate!


She didn't have to leave.

No female HAS to do anything because of ANY male. It's critical to be clear about this.

I agree, but it is sad that it reached this place for Mrs Busa Pete, I guess she felt there were no options left for her. Heads up to anyone having issues like this, get a mentor! I happily volunteer to come and support anyone that wants to tackle anything like this in the work place. I take no prisoners by the way!

[mstriumph]

............. He obviously thought that because I didn't fancy HIM, I must be a lesbian! there's an awful lot of that attitude still about .... would be funny if it weren't so pathetic :(

[Unit]

You know no one answer my question i have had some very good advice offered and i thank you for that.
But i still would like to know why men feel they can take it bit further than they need to. Is it testosterone i mean this guy made me feel very uncomfortable in the office at times.
Very interesting question and some answers have started to emerge. Is it the old addage still, if a guys scores a conquest its a notch on their belt, if a girl scores a conquest shes a slut, could never figure that


So me telling him if he was the last man on earth i would make sure i had a supplie of cucumbers wasn't blunt enough.
I understand, but mars/venus seems to be present here


The way I see it, Wendy, you have a personality that is quite open and refreshing. A good sense of humour and a quick mind. Obviously this guy is drawn to that. He can't see the signs or hear what you're saying because of his attraction.

"Why do guys have to take it too far?" Yes, it is a male thing but your question is too general. Obviously not all guys are like that, he has certain throwback ('50's) qualities about his behaviour. I would think it's quite common in real estate that men are quite forward (go-getters perhaps?) the kind that don't take no for an answer? The industry itself has a concentration of guys like that. Why do guys take it too far? Because they think you're "just a woman". No insult intended to you or any other women but there are guys who are still like that.
Nice honesty. I gotta say, there is certainly something wrong with a "man" who still lives at home with mummy at 40ish.
Bad Boy Bubby springs to mind. :baby: (bitty now)
Also interesting point Wendy about the 'contractor (yourself)' charging for sexual harrassment. Would be interested to know what the law is in that respect.
Im sure you would have made it quite clear you were not at all interested, or impressed with his behaviour, so why is it thats still not enough, especially in this day and age when this sort of PC expectation is not only commonly well known, but written in law!

[Mom]

*swoon*

meh you're ok I guess :blip:

[DMNTD]

Lucky there are some really awesome, decent men around to overtip the balance eh mate!

Yeah I'm f00kin' hot eh ;)

[Mom]

Yeah I'm f00kin' hot eh ;)

HAhahaha weird thing these puters.......my response to your quote is above what you said to me........LOL

[Mrs Busa Pete]

I've got a very good female friend who told me that her ex kept bothering her for sex, this despite telling him that she still wanted him as a friend but intimacy would never be on the agenda again. After a bit of detective work ,it turned out he occasionally stopped at her place,no prob. sometimes stopped over night. when he stopped they shared the only bed she had. mmmkay. Here it comes..when they shared a bed,she slept naked, she always had,She had no idea why this would encourage the bloke because she had already explained she didn't want sex???? The point being,she's saying one thing he's getting a whole different picture.


Sorry i do not agree with this she said NO SEX. Why should women have to change what they are because men can't take no for an answer



I am so sorry you've had to leave because of this pervy twat. It's not right.



I'm sorry if i have made any one beleive i left my job because of this guy he was a part of it but i had also had enough and going to my manager about him would of be a waste of time because he had his little boys club



[QUOTE=DangerousBastard;1490760]She didn't have to leave.

No female HAS to do anything because of ANY male. It's critical to be clear about this.

Girls, say what you mean, and mean what you say. Expect to be heard.

DB



Well said

[Unit]

HAhahaha weird thing these puters.......my response to your quote is above what you said to me........LOL
He's on dial up, plays havoc with the order of things

[martybabe]

HAhahaha weird thing these puters.......my response to your quote is above what you said to me........LOL

Thank cripes for that, I thought I'd failed to get the message.

[DMNTD]

HAhahaha weird thing these puters....

I blame the P AND Wendy's old boss :shutup:

[Unit]

I'm sorry if i have made any one beleive i left my job because of this guy he was a part of it but i had also had enough and going to my manager about him would of be a waste of time because he had his little boys club



Ahh, the boys club... No matter how hard we try, cant beat that one

[DMNTD]

Ahh, the boys club... No matter how hard we try, cant beat that one

Do feel free to smack my bottom :spanking:

[Pussy]

Do feel free to smack my bottom :spanking:

Get a room, you two! :devil2:

[DMNTD]

Get a room, you two! :devil2:

Have to wait until Friday night damn it! I'm 400kms away...:tugger:

[martybabe]

Sorry i do not agree with this she said NO SEX. Why should women have to change what they are because men can't take no for an answer



No, I don't agree with it either, thats the point, some people (men) will not get the message with anything less than a two by four upside their head. Your right he's wrong. Just trying to explain why some losers persist despite the message being loud and clear to decent normal people.

[Maha]

Ok i like to joke around and i dont think i done anything to encourage this person in fact i was very blunt with them at times but why is it they think you are someone they can come onto. Anyone that knows me knows that i'm only joking (well i bloody hope so) and that i love my husband very much and would not do anything like that.



How you doin'?......:blip:

[Unit]

Get a room, you two! :devil2:
You offering? This is a thread about sexual harrassment you know....:devil2:

[Pussy]

You offering? This is a thread about sexual harrassment you know....:devil2:

Nah, I'm a bit like a dog chasing a car.... even if I caught one, I wouldn't know what to do with it... :confused:

[Unit]

Nah, I'm a bit like a dog chasing a car.... even if I caught one, I wouldn't know what to do with it... :confused:
Got me wrong there buddy, I was asking if you are offering me and the DMNTD one a room, now see, this is exactly what Wendygirls is talking about...

[Pussy]

Got me wrong there buddy, I was asking if you are offering me and the DMNTD one a room, now see, this is exactly what Wendygirls is talking about...

Well, as it happens I DO have a room for you two. I'll just get the glaziers around to install the mirrors, and I'm sure the local saddlery shop will be able to supply suitable leather goods. Then I'll go sort out a nurse's uniform for DMNTD. Anything else??

[CookMySock]

I guess she felt there were no options left for her.It is important to note this isn't a "feeling", it is a belief.

What we believe will mysteriously always happen unless we take action to change it. Large amounts of bravery will be required, but soon it will become that we can have control over the things around us, without resorting to a vicious attack that is not part of our normal character, or giving up on something we really wanted.

Tell blokes nicely once, then sternly twice, and THEN the third time to GET IT OR ELSE. Then call in support and take no prisoners, and watch them fry.

Don't leave it until you feel very angry. Take action well before this. Get professional assistance - tell your GP about it. Post here if it happens again.

be brave,
DB

[Unit]

I'll go sort out a nurse's uniform for DMNTD.
Size XL :whistle:

[Mom]

Size XL :whistle:

NOOOOOOOOO make it Large, and latex, reckon he would look good in tight fitting latex :innocent:

[Unit]

NOOOOOOOOO make it Large, and latex, reckon he would look good in tight fitting latex :innocent:
I'll send him around for a fitting :niceone:

[BIHB@0610]

NOOOOOOOOO make it Large, and latex, reckon he would look good in tight fitting latex :innocent:

This thread's useless without pics ........:drool::wait::blip: