Impact of p/s and nintendo games?

[PrincessBandit]

Am I the only person who has ever wondered about a possible link between some of the play station, DS, nintendo games out there which might influence how people act on the road occasionally? You know, games like Crash Bandicoot (Crash Team Racing), Grand Tourismo etc. Sure, those games are as unalike as you can get but they both share a common feature - racing. Lots more do as well - where you can crash to your hearts content, make all sorts of dodgy calls behind the wheel blah blah blah without consequence, but (and here's the nugget in the middle) is it possible that this mentality can sometimes manifest itself when we're behind the wheel of our car, or on our bike? I can speak from experience when I talk about the tunnel vision which can take over when locked in the "game mindset" while that console is in your hands. You know the feeling that you're inside the game and even your peripheral vision is oblivious to your real surroundings. (Okay, maybe it's just me). Anyway, if others notice this too do you think that this might manifest itself in some riders/drivers when they get out on the real road yet their brain is in "game land"? I wonder if this is especially true when you have two or more mates and what starts out as one overtaking leads insidiously to a race on the road. Do other road users then become "background" participants who don't feature in the game result (and hence don't count or are minimalised to being inconsequential)? When this gaming tunnel vision takes over real life fatality takes an exponential leap into possibility.
Any thoughts?
p.s. I always told my daughter she'd better NEVER drive in reality like she does in GT, and thankfully she doesn't!

[insane1]

it would seem that young islanders and you could include young asians as well as white guys all in there early 20's seem to have the boy racer instinct as pb said makes you wonder where they learn how to drive in the first place,one part of this would be games no doubt and to say they drive like crap would be an understatement no reguard for anyone else but themselves and i suppose this colud apply to some young riders as well.

[marioc]

It is a proven fact that gaming in moderation improves hand eye co-ordination and general motor skills so I guess the answer is no.

[007XX]

Hmmmm...I often thought of that one...

As a mother, I really do not encourage my son to play on the Xbox at home for any longer than an hour at the time, and this only maybe twice a week but no more...

Admitedly, his hand to eye coordination has beneficiated from the regular practice (as he has improved in the game), but once I let him play for about 3 hours on a Saturday and he had great difficulty in going to sleep that night, saying that all he could see when he closed his eyes were pictures of the game...

To me, this was enough proof that too much of these games have a serious impact on your psyche, and should not be indulged on to regular a basis.

As a training tool? I guess it would be close to a bastardised version of a simulation training program, just with more violence in it.

[R6_kid]

no offense but you'd have to be a fucking tool to carry over anything you do in a 'simulation' game to real life, especially when it comes to crashing cars etc.

I am part of 'that' generation, i've played grand theft auto, GT2, need for speed etc... i dont stab/shoot/blow up people, and i certainly don't go out drifting/racing etc on the open road.

Sure there are people that do this kinda shit, but in my opinion they'd have done it either way regardless of whether they did it in a game or not.

Unlike Hillary Clinton some of us were blessed with an ability to separate reality and imagination.

I do ride like a cock sometimes, but that hasnt manifested from playing computer games.

[Finn]

I'm still suffering the affects of Pacman from the 80's. I still see dots everywhere and can't get that damned music out of my head.

[The Pastor]

I like to play games.

But i dont have any games :(

[007XX]

I do ride like a cock sometimes, but that hasnt manifested from playing computer games.

So what's your excuse then? :Pokey:

:laugh:

[Str8 Jacket]

So I best be not getting my gimp suit on and run around attacking people with my double ended dildo then?!

[LilSel]

So I best be not getting my gimp suit on and run around attacking people with my double ended dildo then?!

your on fire today!!! :lol:

I play all kinds of games... & no... I dont think it makes me ride/drive any different to what I usually would...

I cant drift my ute like the cars on need for speed underground so I dont try... There is a diff between a game and real life

[Str8 Jacket]

your on fire today!!! :lol:

I play all kinds of games... & no... I dont think it makes me ride/drive any different to what I usually would...

I cant drift my ute like the cars on need for speed underground so I dont try... There is a diff between a game and real life

Thanks! :D

Hmm, so you're saying that you DONT try and drive off ramps into crowded motorways just to see how much damage you can do? But, but it looks like sooo much fun in the game and no one gets injured or anything! :shit:

Me, I like to try and bounce from tile to tile in our work cafeteria flipping upside down and landing on peoples heads trying to kill them. Unfortuntaely it hasnt actually resulted in anything other than being commited to the Mental ward.....

[Number One]

No offence R6 Kid but you have to be a fucking tool to assume that all people on this earth are equally equipped with the ability to separate the real from the fabricated.

Sorry I just had to bite to that very strong start to your message dude...was actually pretty rude, you got a problem with PB or just not capable of contributing to a thread with words that actually sell your message rather than couching it in a way that makes it o so easy to disregard. Reminded me somewhat of a Mr Dipshit post actually....

Let's face it too, we are talking about simulations, that have been very well engineered to produce certain reactions and responses in the player.

The question PB raises is a valid one and one worth some good solid adult discussion.

Plenty of research has proven ill effects of this type of media on some people. BTW - I don't believe that listening to Heavy Metal will make you kill yourself or others SO NOR am I saying htat Playstation wil do the same...what I am saying is that to say there is absolutely NO effect on NO people is a little naive and frankly a bit of a defensive line if you ask me.

Keep in mind they train soldiers and other military personel with these kind of tools....are those guys tools too then for trasnferring the simulated into their reality...how the hell do you think pilots of large airliners learn to land - thank god they have the ability R6_kid clearly lacks!

On the note of the effects of gaming on people. I play a bit, and if for too long I have trouble getting to sleep and do dream about the game. Never had the experience of being inside the game or reliving my Crash Bandicoot adventures in real life but I have observed other adults and kids (normally good calm people) go a little nuts after playing too long....day long sessions these were.

The adults & kids (admittedly not all) were very Irritabile and quite extreme in their moods, unable to calm down and yes some violence...not the 'copy cat kind' as in out practising wrestling moves or smacking each other around on purpose to hurt more the 'I'm so wired I can't control my impulses' kind of violence. And no there weren't any pharmacueticals or sugars and preservatives involved. For the kids this lasted into the next day also.

If you choose to assume that you and/or your kids aren't affected by these games, or they and you really aren't affected...bully for you...but if you don't have your head buried completely up your ass you'll know enough by now to recognise that this is a real and valid concern and if you are a responsible parent you do need to consider how much your kids play and what games they are allowed to play.

Rant endith.

[Swoop]

I'm still suffering the affects of Pacman from the 80's. I still see dots everywhere and can't get that damned music out of my head.
I'm bloody paranoid about the aliens that are trying to land from above.

The last one goes sooooooo fast from side to side!

[Number One]

Me, I like to try and bounce from tile to tile in our work cafeteria flipping upside down and landing on peoples heads trying to kill them.

I thought that was usual workplace protocol? :lol:And headbutting draws to get the gold out of them and all that other fun stuff too. :lol:

[Coyote]

What I have noticed is those that link video games to bad things don't play video games themselves.

So I'll say this, PMS did WTC!!!

[Pwalo]

There is no conclusive proof. This has been raised before, but to the best of my knowledge there has never been a direct link proen betwen PS type games and anti social behaviour in 'normal' children.

Anyways children have been playing 'make believe' games pretty well since they've been around.

They didn't all grow up to be cowboys, barbie dolls, etc, so I guess it's probably the same with PS etc.

[Number One]

What I have noticed is those that link video games to bad things don't play video games themselves.

YUP, I'd say you might be right there.

There is also a difference between saying there is a LINK and that games are the CAUSE. I don't accept that any media can be a single CAUSE of anything bad happening.

[Number One]

They didn't all grow up to be cowboys, barbie dolls, etc, so I guess it's probably the same with PS etc.

Speak for yourself!!!

I AM BARBIE and my husband IS Action Man! :lol:

[Mikkel]

I grew up on Carmaggedon... Dunno why, sometimes I have this urge to run over pedestrians! :devil2:

Awesome driving simulation - it teaches you very quickly that the best way to win a race is to drive the opponents off the road. :yes:
Something that Senna and Prost has verified in formula 1.

[fireball]

So I best be not getting my gimp suit on and run around attacking people with my double ended dildo then?!

that would be imitating real life..... now where is my gimp mask?;)

[Number One]

that would be imitating real life..... now where is my gimp mask?;)

Hee hee - bling.

You're the Mother flippin!

[fireball]

Hee hee - bling.

You're the Mother flippin!

the voice in my head tells me you have a deep dark yet open fettish!

but really video games are for pleasure for me they helpped me get away from everyday life and just go do illegal things i wouldnt dare do for real like kill cops, steal cars, shoot people, skate around and not break bones fly planes etc but some i know can not draw the line between fact or ficton they are the ones that need the medication not ban games all together

everything in moderation

[jrandom]

There's a difference between real life and video games?

God damn.

Somebody shoulda told me that before I started using the extensive life lessons I picked up from Doom, Quake, Unreal Tournament, Half-Life, Counterstrike and Enemy Territory to enrich my leisure time once I received my NZ Firearms Licence.

I'm starting to wonder whether I should reconsider my lunchtime plan of camping out on the roof of the Saatchi & Saatchi building and shooting Tamaki Drive pedestrians in the head.

:(

[Mikkel]

I'm starting to wonder whether I should reconsider my lunchtime plan of camping out on the roof of the Saatchi & Saatchi building and shooting Tamaki Drive pedestrians in the head.

:(

Be lazy - buy an Arctic Warfare Magnum... That way you will still kill them even if you only hit their big toe! :niceone:

http://www.csnation.net/content/csinfo/images/weapons/awp_a.jpg

[R6_kid]

Keep in mind they train soldiers and other military personel with these kind of tools....are those guys tools too then for trasnferring the simulated into their reality...how the hell do you think pilots of large airliners learn to land - thank god they have the ability R6_kid clearly lacks!


Totally different... PS2 games and full blown simulations are completely different things. Sure GT2 etc are pretty realistic for games, but that is all they are.

With flight training, simulators are used mainly as a form of cost cutting. And the physics systems they use, as well as the full cockpit setups etc are far removed from what you get on PC/PS2/Xbox. Pilots of large air liners learn to land by flying small aircraft and working their way up.

I resent your comment that I lack 'ability' too... for one you don't even know me, and two you'd better cross your fingers and hope that I don't end up flying you around one day when I am a pilot. The fact that I said 'fucking tool' has no bearing what so ever on my ability to do anything except for using nice words to describe people with little or no grasp on the real world.

[onearmedbandit]

I've been playing GTA San Andreas on the PC recently. Now I find it difficult to really respect hookers.

[marioc]

ahhhh but that was CS 1.6 young padawan,we now have CS Source :apint:

[Morcs]

ah if only life was like playing grand theft auto...

[jrandom]

ah if only life was like playing grand theft auto...

It's not?

:confused:

Oops.

[MisterD]

Totally different... PS2 games and full blown simulations are completely different things.

Some of the stuff the US military uses to breakdown most peoples' inbuilt aversion to killing isn't much different than shoot-em-up games.

[fireball]

TiddlyWinks anyone?

[R6_kid]

Some of the stuff the US military uses to breakdown most peoples' inbuilt aversion to killing isn't much different than shoot-em-up games.

Not doubting that, but have you got proof?

I know some militaries use ARMA for combat simulation, but more so for the tactics than the actual killing.

To be honest I can't imagine playing GTA, ripping around on a bike etc shooting people, then going out into the street and actually thinking that I could do it, and that if i did kill people etc that i'd get away with it. Surely people that do would already have a pre-disposed mental condition if they were thinking like that?

[jrandom]

Some of the stuff the US military uses to breakdown most peoples' inbuilt aversion to killing isn't much different than shoot-em-up games.

Hmm, yes.

I've heard that switching to man-shaped targets instead of competition bullseye targets for infantry rifle training raised the effectiveness of the average rifleman in battle by an order of magnitude or more between WW1 and WW2.

Personally, though, the first time I killed something (it was either a goat or a deer, I can't remember) with a firearm came after a full decade of regularly mowing down virtual enemies on a PC.

The games didn't help me much. I stared at the animal over my rifle's sights and my finger trembled and my heart raced. I felt nauseous. I could barely bring myself to take the shot.

Only practice over time at actually killing things has allowed me to overcome my natural aversion to it. As I've stated here before, I consider it the moral responsibility of any non-vegetarian to come to terms with the reality of taking an animal's life, and to reconsider their meat-eating habits if they find themselves unable to do so.

Maybe I'm just a bit weird.

[jrandom]

... more so for the tactics than the actual killing.

I think Arse Sex Kid hits the nail on the head here when it comes to simulation-based military training.

[Morcs]

I think Arse Sex Kid hits the nail on the head here when it comes to simulation-based military training.

Your head got nailed by a kid by simulated arse sex?

[Dave-]

there's more to mass murder than pulling a trigger...there's more to racing in reality than holding X...

gaming has no negative influence on reality at all.

[Number One]

Totally different... PS2 games and full blown simulations are completely different things. Sure GT2 etc are pretty realistic for games, but that is all they are..

Mister D said as I was going to....


I resent your comment that I lack 'ability' too... for one you don't even know me, and two you'd better cross your fingers and hope that I don't end up flying you around one day when I am a pilot

Awww...don't be sad! The fact that you 'resent my comment' (is btw a huge surprise!) when it was in only in response to 'something which you had yourself said and my perception of that' and as you have pointed out I don't know you - so chill man! As for the threat of flying me around some day - :clap: Priceless! So you'd crash just to teach me a lesson for having the gall to respond to you on here in less than favourable fashion..:clap: how many games have you been playing? :clap:

[MisterD]

Not doubting that, but have you got proof?


Other than a half-remembered disco channel program called The Truth About Killing or something like that...no.

I was more interested in the differences between ordinary 'close your eyes and wave the rifle generally in the direction of the enemy' types and the tiny percentage of lethal bastards like Charles Upham...

[PrincessBandit]

Some very interesting responses. Thanks. I didn't think i mentioned anything about banning these games. It was only a point i raised to see what other people's opinions were and if anyone had ever wondered the same as me. Thanks whoever redded me for it, I'm not sure why you did since i wasn't recommending any course of action to "remedy" any situation, nor stating my opinion strongly or abusively.

[ManDownUnder]

The games didn't help me much. I stared at the animal over my rifle's sights and my finger trembled and my heart raced. I felt nauseous. I could barely bring myself to take the shot.

To my mind those are the words of a real hunter. Respect for the animal first and foremost. I had it hammered into me by my favourite uncle at every opportunity.

Interesting how that compares with the goals and requirements of so many games isn't it?


Only practice over time at actually killing things has allowed me to overcome my natural aversion to it. As I've stated here before, I consider it the moral responsibility of any non-vegetarian to come to terms with the reality of taking an animal's life, and to reconsider their meat-eating habits if they find themselves unable to do so.

Maybe I'm just a bit weird.

Wierd? Nope. Bingo (God that's a couple of times I've backed you up in a couple of days... you slip something into my lunch?)

To clarify on the coming to terms with their actions though, all I ask is they are aware and acknowledge their desire to eat meat and/or wear leather/feathers/whatever directly causes the deaty of an animal. I know the remorse that comes with the death of an animal (interestingly, some more than others...).

I respect the fact that killing is an act detestable to some to the point they could not do it themselves - no problem with that. But when they hold me to task for it, all the while wearing a leather belt? ummmmm no

[Str8 Jacket]

Some very interesting responses. Thanks. I didn't think i mentioned anything about banning these games. It was only a point i raised to see what other people's opinions were and if anyone had ever wondered the same as me. Thanks whoever redded me for it, I'm not sure why you did since i wasn't recommending any course of action to "remedy" any situation, nor stating my opinion strongly or abusively.

And before you start flailing widely, it was not me......

[ManDownUnder]

gaming has no negative influence on reality at all.

Disagree. While I don't think it creates a blood lust in everyone to sit in front of an X-Box console ... gaming is the reality for anyone that's never picked up a rifle or seen the light of life go out in the eyes of something you shoot.

In the game you die... and get another life. Not so in real life. The consequences of a single bad decision with a gun or a car can never be undone.

[PrincessBandit]

And before you start flailing widely...

Dear Str8 Jacket, I actually didn't assume it was you. I'm sure you would have worded your comment in the rep quite differently. Yours sincerely, PB

[Str8 Jacket]

Dear Str8 Jacket, I actually didn't assume it was you. I'm sure you would have worded your comment in the rep quite differently. Yours sincerely, PB

Aww, come here you :hug: