Getting Japanese Degregistraion Papers

[Naked Commuter]

Hi Guys!

I'm new in town, I'm looking at buying my first bike and have found one that's coming up for auction, it's a Japanese import but the vendor doesn't have the degregistraion papers.

Do any of you guys know what department or a person in Japan that I can contact to get a copy of all the documents that I'd need if I bought the bike to get it a VIN?

[MOTOXXX]

it may never have been de reged and been brought over without them.
if the guy doesnt have them then i dont fancy your chances geting it on the road. maybe use it as a track bike if its sporty.

[Sniper]

it may never have been de reged and been brought over without them.
if the guy doesnt have them then i dont fancy your chances geting it on the road. maybe use it as a track bike if its sporty.

You love track bikes dont you? Hehe

YeaNC, I wouldnt like your chances with that bike.

[kerryg]

Hi Guys!

I'm new in town, I'm looking at buying my first bike and have found one that's coming up for auction, it's a Japanese import but the vendor doesn't have the degregistraion papers.

Do any of you guys know what department or a person in Japan that I can contact to get a copy of all the documents that I'd need if I bought the bike to get it a VIN?


I was involved for a while in the used car trade from Japan to NZ (well on the fringes of it at least) and I can tell you for sure: without the official deregistration papers you will have no show, not a snowballs's hope in hell, of ever registering it here. That I'm sure about. I'm less sure about this but it might even be stopped at the border (is it already in NZ?)

[FROSTY]

Im in the Vehicle import business um basicly if ya aint got dereg papers --You're screwed--and the guy will know it too. Basicly its a pile of scrap parts that looks like a bike.
Just to confirm give alex Gee a ring--hes low vol certifyer for bikes.
0272647282
I'd be questioning the guy as to what happened to the dereg papers -did he import the bike? etc etc

[onearmedbandit]

I am involved with the used-import industry, and you will have a difficult time registering that bike. You need to find out where the bike was sold last in Japan, ie Auction House or dealer. Possibly you can get the de-reg sheet through this avenue. On a side note, we receive our vehicles seperately from the de-reg papers, sometimes not getting the de-reg until well after the car has arrived. So it is possible to import without de-reg, just impossible to register without.

[aff-man]

When i was looking for a bigger bike i was looking to import and getting the de-registration papers in japan is a bugger. over here it'll be like trying to tunnel to japan using a toothpick. Use it as a track bike if you must because without the papers she should be pretty cheap....what is it anyway??

[Naked Commuter]

Ta guys,

I think I'll let this one pass by.

It's a Suzuki GSF250 Bandit, but it needs about a grands worth work done on it, leaking front shocks, new tyres, battery, service etc. It should be going up for auction unreserved later this month on www.graysonline.co.nz if anyone's interested.

[spudchucka]

My understanding is that if you don't have the Jap dereg papers you will never get it vin'ed.

[aff-man]

My understanding is that if you don't have the Jap dereg papers you will never get it vin'ed.

yip thats the way it is. Not sure of the reasons maybe due to compliance or maybe to stop stolen bikes coming in.

[spudchucka]

yip thats the way it is. Not sure of the reasons maybe due to compliance or maybe to stop stolen bikes coming in.
Either way you are screwed unless you want a track only bike.

[onearmedbandit]

Small, but common misconception. All vehicles (in my experience anyway, and we've imported some non-road legal vehicles) get a vin when coming into NZ, its how they keep track of the vehicle. However, a vin does not guarantee or even mean you'll get the vehicle registered here.

[What?]

...or maybe to stop stolen bikes coming in.
That's what it's about.
If you buy an import, make sure the seller registers it before you agree to anything.

[FROSTY]

Small, but common misconception. All vehicles (in my experience anyway, and we've imported some non-road legal vehicles) get a vin when coming into NZ, its how they keep track of the vehicle. However, a vin does not guarantee or even mean you'll get the vehicle registered here.
Lets try that one again dude. If a VEHICLE is imported into New zealand then apon receipt of the deregistration certificate it is as the FIRST step in the compliance process issued with a VIN number.
If the GOODS are imported not intended to be used on public roads ie wrecking stock or strictly for off road use only they are not issued with VIN numbers. Vin being controlled by the LTSA
There are instances where you might at a later date sourse the relivant paperwork but unless you speak fluent japanese its a huge mission
The only semi easy way to legitimise a bike like this is a little bit dodgy -it makes use of a loophole in the law.
If you purchase a straight frame from a wrecker that has a vin number
You could then bolt on the other "removable" parts from the other bike and
then go to the ltsa to have it re vinned as a rebuilt bike.
The reason for this rediculous loophole is the ltsa's attitude that bikes are cars with two wheels and so the Chassis (frame) is the major component of the bike.

[onearmedbandit]

Well as I said 'in my experience' and as I've seen two vehicles that come to mind straight away imported with no de-reg, nor with any intention of getting the de-regs, that had vin's attached. Maybe there is another reason for this. Don't get too upset over it. (ie your use of CAPITAL letters, whats that all about??)

[onearmedbandit]

And you also don't need to be fluent in Japanese, in fact no dealer I"ve worked for has been. But no problem, as most agents in Japan speak some degree of English (some fluently) they will perform tasks like this for you.

[FROSTY]

Well as I said 'in my experience' and as I've seen two vehicles that come to mind straight away imported with no de-reg, nor with any intention of getting the de-regs, that had vin's attached. Maybe there is another reason for this. Don't get too upset over it. (ie your use of CAPITAL letters, whats that all about??)
there is a difference when importing--if it is a vehicle intended for road use it gets a vin if its goods -like complete vans for evample for wrecking stock then they dont get vinned
capital to emphasise the difference.
the exception might be a tractor that at some stage might be road registered--ditto a quad.
my point re fluent japanese is that this guy has no clue as to the source of the bike so has to start from scratch ---unlike a dealer who has an agent working for him -and usually as keen as the dealer to sort out the dereg papers -yep i've mislaid a dereg -but I had an agent keen to be paid for the car

[onearmedbandit]

Yeah, true enough, the original poster doesn't have an agent working for him, so he is in a hard spot. I'd say forget about this bike and move on to something easier.

[FROSTY]

Sorry Bandit my previous post sounds a bit pedantic --nahh sounds like a know it all lol
I think we were saying the same thing in a different way lol
What yard ya at down there Mines called devonport car co
small yard -22 units with a warehouse-20 more units .

[onearmedbandit]

Outfit called VCL (aka 'The Big Yellow Car Yard'), we hold about 100 units on the yard, with about another 150 'in the system'. This yard specializes in cars from $8000-$16000 (occasionally we have some big ticket stuff) selling between 70-90 a month. We also have two other yards, one European holding about 20 units, the other being a 'VIP'/performance yard holding about 30. I've been doing this for 8yrs now, how about yourself?

[gav]

yeah, I picked up my 93 ZXR400L for a pretty good price when I asked if the guy had dereg papers. He had bought the bike as a crashed import, I knew the history and was pretty sure that he wouldnt have any papers for it. He had spent over $4500 on this ZXR and was pretty much ready for the road, just needing paint. Mentioned to him that without Jap de reg papers he couldnt get a VIN . Guess he thought I was bullshitting him, but left him my number and he rang me two days later. I was looking for a track bike, and offered him $3000 :buggerd: he was gutted but think i ended up paying $3150 for it, great buy, had speed restictor fitted, Daytona racing products air filter, Daytona jets, and real trick light weight exhaust system, must have seen some race track time in Japan, went real well. It was originally one of the Itoham replica models similiar to this.

[R6_kid]

13.5% buyers premium is steep! Turners only charges 6% on purchases up to $1000....

i got an older version of the bike... GF250 SPECIAL nice old bike

[ktulu]

Sorry Bandit my previous post sounds a bit pedantic --nahh sounds like a know it all lol
I think we were saying the same thing in a different way lol
What yard ya at down there Mines called devonport car co
small yard -22 units with a warehouse-20 more units .


I think my bro may have bought an EVO 4 off you about this time last year frosty, a blue/silver one, sounds familiar anyway. Possibly just sounds familiar because you are a car dealer in devenport and he got his car from there.

Interesting point this import thing, sounds like a pretty good way to get a cheap race bike if you are very good at being in the right place at the right time