What's your opinion

[huck farley]

Here is a statement put out by the cops, In my book it is not the case. Where do the authorities get there information from. All farm accidents on bikes, and 4 wheelers get shoved onto the motor cycle stats. IMO they should have there own. None of these bikes are registered and the riders have no licence, and wear no safety gear. Reading between the lines, me thinks it looks as though our Registrations are to take a hike sometime soon. They are my thoughts what's yours?

ACC and Police target a doubling in motorcycle accidents
11:41am 11 June 2007

Since 2001 the number of ACC claims for motorcycle accidents has nearly doubled, and annual ACC claim costs now exceed $52 million (not including treatment in public hospitals).

"Riding a motorcycle is risky. Motorcyclists make up only two per cent of vehicles on the road but account for 18 per cent of road claims received by ACC," says Phil Wright, ACC Programme Manager.

"41 per cent of injury motorcycle crashes occur in situations where other motorists don't see the motorcycle and, in three quarters of cases, the motorcyclist was not at fault," says Inspector Heather Wells, Auckland City Road Policing Manager.

"The problem seems to be worse at intersections and on major roads. For example, in Auckland, five roads accounted for the majority of motorcycle accidents."

"Our campaign urges other motorists, when making manoeuvres or when at intersections, to take a little more time and look again for bikes," Mr Wright added.

"Of course, motorcyclists can help keep themselves safer by wearing high visibility vests and keeping the motorcycle headlight on during the day."

The campaign includes bus side advertisements, adshells in bus shelters and radio messages.


ENDS

For further information contact:

Noreen Hegarty Laurie Edwards

Communications Manager Senior Media Advisor

Auckland City Police ACC

(09) 302 6947 (04) 918 4119



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Copyright 2008 New Zealand Police

[spudchucka]

What you're saying about farm bike and off road bike crashes clouding ACC stats is completely true.

However I don't see anything wrong with the statement, it appears to be trying to get other motorists to look out for bikes, which can only be a good thing as far as I'm concerned.

[Owl]

Blue is bloody hard to read!:lol:

[James Deuce]

As soon as it says "Police" in the byline, you guys start picking holes in it.

If BRONZ had put it out and you replaced ACC with RRRS you'd all be frantically backslapping each other through the rep system.

[Owl]

In all seriousness, I think stats are a load of crap!
Example: I lost a thumb nail while playing around with my dog. Complete accident, and then get a letter from ACC, about my been a "victim of a dog bite". Bollocks!
I was also told that if a baby dies of cott death and one of the parents is a smoker, then the baby also becomes a statistic of smoking. I'm not sure how true that is, but it's a worry!

[Bonez]

The statement only relate to road incidents.

Seems the "authorities" are recognising the m/cists aren't at fault most of the time in the situations listed dispite what some claim here on KB.

I may or may not be trolling................

[James Deuce]

It's not a claim. People are responsible for any incident they are involved in. If you want to keep on believing that motorcyclists can't possibly ever do anything wrong then go right ahead. In my opinion all single vehicle accidents involving motorcyclists should be automatically the motorcyclist's fault with all the attendant penalties that entails. Any accident at an intersection falls into the "I told you so category", and it is getting to the point where you shouldn't probably advance through an intersection that has any traffic nearby. That there identifies a good 90% of motorcycle accidents. Mechanical failure causing an accident is the motorcyclist's fault. What does that leave? 5-10% of accidents being an "Act of God"? Simple to fix. Stop pissing God off.

[Bonez]

It's not a claim. People are responsible for any incident they are involved in. If you want to keep on believing that motorcyclists can't possibly ever do anything wrong then go right ahead. In my opinion all single vehicle accidents involving motorcyclists should be automatically the motorcyclist's fault with all the attendant penalties that entails. Any accident at an intersection falls into the "I told you so category", and it is getting to the point where you shouldn't probably advance through an intersection that has any traffic nearby. That there identifies a good 90% of motorcycle accidents. Mechanical failure causing an accident is the motorcyclist's fault. What does that leave? 5-10% of accidents being an "Act of God"? Simple to fix. Stop pissing God off.
Right that's one bit. Any more?:whistle:

[James Deuce]

It's not a "bit" (sic). I'm trying to get infracted. It still doesn't seem to happen though.

[Madness]

It's not a "bit" (sic). I'm trying to get infracted. It still doesn't seem to happen though.

Post a picture of breasts in here. It works for me :rolleyes:

[Bonez]

It's not a "bit" (sic). I'm trying to get infracted. It still doesn't seem to happen though.Seemed smaller than a bite, sorry Jim.
Thanks for the giggle.

[PrincessBandit]

Hey, they didn't happen to blurt out which 5 Auckland roads they were talking about did they? Would love to know! In the interests of public safety I think they should name them so wee can add them to the SH2 hoo-doo.

[Bonez]

Hey, they didn't happen to blurt out which 5 Auckland roads they were talking about did they? Would love to know! In the interests of public safety I think they should name them so wee can add them to the SH2 hoo-doo.I guess they've done that to stop more going there. You know, like folk who go and look to see what a tidel wave looks like:doctor:

[madandy]

I see nowt wrong with that statement.
Farm bike injuries are workplace injuries. They have 3/4 wheels and as such cannot be described as Motorcycles. A motorcycle is a single-track two-wheeled motor vehicle powered by an engine. It is also known as a motorbike.*
As for off road bike injuries...how do they compare with other sports like League, union, hockey etc?
Don't see that we should subsidise ACC costs for off road statistics through our rego bill.

*taken from Wiki and every other online dictionary .

[Katman]

It's not a "bit" (sic). I'm trying to get infracted. It still doesn't seem to happen though.

You don't try hard enough.:msn-wink:

[motorbike.ventures]

I say we should ride like other motorists don't see us... most, a lot, some? accidents can be avoided if we pay more attention and use saftey skills...

also as the article says, I think black is a popular color among motorcyclists, which is a pity as it is not very visible... I'm not particularly fond of banana yellow myself :(

[nadroj]

Is it just a rumour that skateboard & rollerblade statistics are included in ACC motorcycle category?

[popelli]

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"The problem seems to be worse at intersections and on major roads. For example, in Auckland, five roads accounted for the majority of motorcycle accidents."




If only 5 roads are causing the majority of problems the simplist solution to reducing the number of accidents is to close these roads off completely

This obviously is not practical but it would fit a nanny state enviroment and current health and safety leglislation

[AllanB]

and, in three quarters of cases, the motorcyclist was not at fault

SO WHY THE FUCK CHARGE US EXTRA ON ACC ?????????????

Bastards

Government arseholes.

Pricks


etc

[NUTBAR]

What you're saying about farm bike and off road bike crashes clouding ACC stats is completely true.

However I don't see anything wrong with the statement, it appears to be trying to get other motorists to look out for bikes, which can only be a good thing as far as I'm concerned.

quite right spud, how ever i have to say that i have two good headlights on my bike which are on all the time yet i still have people pulling out in front of me or in a couple of cases just about taking me out! the excuse is oh i didnt see you.? there is no way you cant see me coming from at least 30 to 50 meters away, i have seen clearly other bikes the same as mine from that distance. maybe if the drivers are made to pay more for acc they would take the time to look more carefully!

[James Deuce]

If only 5 roads are causing the majority of problems the simplist solution to reducing the number of accidents is to close these roads off completely

This obviously is not practical but it would fit a nanny state enviroment and current health and safety leglislation

Or they could tell us what roads so the Jafas can find an alternative and twisty route.

[mister.koz]

SO WHY THE FUCK CHARGE US EXTRA ON ACC ?????????????


Real good point there, if 75% of the accidents are caused by other vehicles then how can we be charged more for acc levi's, its like a kid getting beaten up at school and then a teacher telling them to fuck off for getting beaten up?

[Katman]

Real good point there, if 75% of the accidents are caused by other vehicles then how can we be charged more for acc levi's, its like a kid getting beaten up at school and then a teacher telling them to fuck off for getting beaten up?

You're forgetting the multitude of accidents where the motorcycle is the only vehicle involved.

[James Deuce]

Real good point there, if 75% of the accidents are caused by other vehicles then how can we be charged more for acc levi's, its like a kid getting beaten up at school and then a teacher telling them to fuck off for getting beaten up?Because we're significantly different from our peers. We deserve to be punished for being in the wrong clique.

But seriously it's just a thinly veiled piece of PR-speak to make you think they understand that we are the "victims". There's a gaping disconnect in our self-perception, the regulatory bodies perception of us, and the non-motorcycling public's perception of us.

Add to that some peculiarities with how the human brain percieves and evaluates threat, and our comparatively primitive visual processing and single track vehicles are always going to be at risk. People aren't shitting you when they say they didn't see you. Look up the phrase motion camouflage and how it applies to motorcycles and you might learn that every other person on the road isn't anti-motorcycle, nor are they out to get you. They really didn't see you.

It's not an excuse. It's a limitation that all people come equipped with and can't overcome without specific and repeatedly reinforced training. AFAIK, they STILL don't teach people anything other than how to pass the driving test. Looking for specific types of traffic is worthy of 10 or 12 questions on the scratchy test.

On another note, I'd like see us pay less for Levi's.

[Bonez]

Real good point there, if 75% of the accidents are caused by other vehicles then how can we be charged more for acc levi's, its like a kid getting beaten up at school and then a teacher telling them to fuck off for getting beaten up?(p/t) Because it's our fault for putting ourselves in that situation in the first place according to Dipshit et el.

[mister.koz]

You're forgetting the multitude of accidents where the motorcycle is the only vehicle involved.

I see your point, and i definately agree with swallowing your pride and owning up to mistakes or area's you could improve riding but i am forgetting nothing about what is mentioned earlier in the post where:

41 per cent of injury motorcycle crashes occur in situations where other motorists don't see the motorcycle and, in three quarters of cases, the motorcyclist was not at fault,"

[Swoop]

I hate bloody blue.
For example, in Auckland, five roads accounted for the majority of motorcycle accidents."

Copyright 2008 New Zealand Police

Well that was nice of them to assist in making things safer. Tell us what bloody intersections!
Also, what's with NZPlod "copyright"???

[spudchucka]

quite right spud, how ever i have to say that i have two good headlights on my bike which are on all the time yet i still have people pulling out in front of me or in a couple of cases just about taking me out! the excuse is oh i didnt see you.? there is no way you cant see me coming from at least 30 to 50 meters away, i have seen clearly other bikes the same as mine from that distance. maybe if the drivers are made to pay more for acc they would take the time to look more carefully!

That's just evidence that a large number of road users actually drive around in a daze.

[Cache Wraith]

Or they could tell us what roads so the Jafas can find an alternative and twisty route.

Agree. Someone tell me what 5 roads in Auckland are the ones to avoid!!!!!!!! hope its not one I live on, then I may have to wheel my bike to the corner before I get on

[PrincessBandit]

Agree. Someone tell me what 5 roads in Auckland are the ones to avoid!!!!!!!! hope its not one I live on, then I may have to wheel my bike to the corner before I get on

See Bonez reply to me in post 13. May offer some clues. :devil2:

[dipshit]

Agree. Someone tell me what 5 roads in Auckland are the ones to avoid!!!!!!!! hope its not one I live on, then I may have to wheel my bike to the corner before I get on

Great North Rd, Great South Rd, Karangahape Rd, Newton Rd and Ponsonby Rd.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10445028

[PrincessBandit]

... Great South Rd, ...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10445028

Wow, that's one looooooooonnnnnnnnnngggggggggg road. Wonder which bits of it, or maybe it's just the whole thing?

[dipshit]

Real good point there, if 75% of the accidents are caused by other vehicles then how can we be charged more for acc levi's,

That 75% figure was only dealing with 43 particular motorcycle accidents in Auckland between 2001 and 2005.

Over the whole country, all motorcycle accidents are about 50% the fault of the rider.

In fatal motorcycle accidents, it is 75% rider fault.

http://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/NewPDFs/Motorcycle-Crash-Factsheet-July-07.pdf

[huck farley]

That 75% figure was only dealing with 43 particular motorcycle accidents in Auckland between 2001 and 2005.

Over the whole country, all motorcycle accidents are about 50% the fault of the rider.

In fatal motorcycle accidents, it is 75% rider fault.

http://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/NewPDFs/Motorcycle-Crash-Factsheet-July-07.pdf

I read all the stats on the site posted. An interesting read for anyone who thinks they are 10 feet tall and bullet proof whist riding there machine. I see weekends are when most people get killed on a bike. And a staggering 70% of deaths are caused by none other than the rider. No other vehicles involved.

[mister.koz]

That 75% figure was only dealing with 43 particular motorcycle accidents in Auckland between 2001 and 2005.

Over the whole country, all motorcycle accidents are about 50% the fault of the rider.

In fatal motorcycle accidents, it is 75% rider fault.

http://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/NewPDFs/Motorcycle-Crash-Factsheet-July-07.pdf

Ok, misread on my part, my bad. After having a good read, it looks like the rough rule is 50/50 car's and bikes to blame, allot of people riding outside of their riding conditions (cc's etc), too many people effected by d/a and pretty much most deaths caused by speed....

Its surprising and not surprising at the same time.

[mister.koz]

Ok, not 50/50.... anyways

[scumdog]

You're forgetting the multitude of accidents where the motorcycle is the only vehicle involved.

There's a plethora of such events that have been posted on KB, often conveniently overlooked by the "f'kn cage driver" thread posters.

[avgas]

If drivers cant see 6ft x 5ft x 2ft amount of area containing a motorcyclist.....what makes them think they will see 2ft of bright material.
Saying the issue is "not being seen" is like saying the patient has a headache.......where the reality is an aggressive brain tumor.
But then again NZ is awesome at fixing everything with a little bullshit, alot of regulations and a new tax.

[huck farley]

I must admit with me being a motorcyclist and do maybe 25000ks a year.. Whilst driving my car the other day I nearly myself took a motorcyclist out at an intersection.

The motorcyclist had done no wrong at all. It was just a case of me not seeing that he was in front of me.

But as you do I looked right for approaching traffic. But missed the biker all together in front of me. Mind you he was riding a black bike. And he was wearing black cordura clothing.

I'm afraid it's a case of motorists just don't see us. And I was as guilty as sin on the occasion I have mentioned.

Of topic but interesting and helpful facts about HID lamps.
I myself have installed some High Intensity lamps (HID) They are not legal in NZ unless the lamp holder are designed specifically for the use of such a light.

Mine are not legal. But the light is so white with a multi coloured aura around the beam. They are actually seen by the cage drivers.

My mates I ride with say they are an awesome light if they are in front of me, looking in the rear vision mirror. The guys say the light is crystal clear and as white as snow.

They are easy fitted and all you have to do is find somewhere to put the Ballast that comes with each lamp. Check out hid.com I bought mine from them. Lots of good reading. Oh yes at night riding in a group I always get sent to the front now as following me is likened to riding on a summers day.
This type of lamp are on Trademe if you want to purchase. I am always a bit weary of the Asian market. That's why I paid a lot more but I have back up.

Finally I have had no close ones (touch wood) at intersections since running he HID system,

I may be illegal. But I couldn't give a horses arse about the law. It's my life!! Not that of some F*&^n pen pusher at bull shit castle (the beehive)