Making sure your pillion's wearing full gear.

[FROSTY]

If you don't want to read a rant then please DONT READ ON>
WHO lets a woman on the back of their bike in pedal pusher jeans, a pair of slip on shoes a dress jacket no gloves and an ill fitting helmet.
You sir are a prize fuckwit.
Yes I will say it to your face

[kiwifruit]

:spanking:

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[98tls]

Agree absolutely but:jerry:come they will............

[Edbear]

Wasn't me! I value my pillion and would never let her or anyone else on pillion without proective gear!

[sAsLEX]

:spanking:

Pic removed

This is the way to wear out those pesky front chicken strips..... :rolleyes:

[MVnut]

Not guilty your (Frosty)Honour, and your only 3 posts away from .....a lot of posts Mr F:Pokey:

[Xile]

Can't even put his front wheel on a right position...:devil2:

Fucking scary pic Allan :blink:

[FROSTY]

sorry guys n gals--turns out pillion from saturday night may be brain damaged,def has skin loss and serious internal injuries etc. Her gear was shite.
Saw her shoe 50m back down the road. -well gee wonder what state her legs n feet are in.

[Motu]

This is the way to wear out those pesky front chicken strips..... :rolleyes:

I don't think she would be in any danger if Colin Edwards was the rider - a quick elbow thrust sorts out a minor front end tuck like that.

I wonder if we could put some age discrimination into this debate? Do you see any scantily glad females on the back on mature riders bikes? Do you see scantily clad mature females on the back of any bike?

Testosterone is powerfull stuff....makes young males and females do very stupid things.

[FROSTY]

motu--er yea but I don't wanna get racist. Certain brands of bike seem to attract scantily clad pillions. And yes I AM jeleous.:crazy:

[DingoZ]

I had a neat experience today. First time on a motorbike as a PILLION. (wearing all my riding gear)

Definetely a weird kind of sensation. Not being the one in control.

I wouldn't disrespect the rider of the bike and expect them to take me as a pillion if I wasn't looking out for my own safety by not wearing the right gear...

And when the time comes for me to take a pillion (my partner, she is looking forward to it). She will be wearing proper riding gear as well..... No way anyone gets on the back of my bike without gear.

[scumdog]

Blardy sprotsbike riders....

[Bikernereid]

As a pillion I will never get on a bike without decent boots, leather jacket, gloves and something decent to protect my legs. Luckily the guys I have been on the back of have always been sensible enough to make sure that before I got on the back of their bike that I had sufficient safe gear to wear.


If you don't want to read a rant then please DONT READ ON>
WHO lets a woman on the back of their bike in pedal pusher jeans, a pair of slip on shoes a dress jacket no gloves and an ill fitting helmet.
You sir are a prize fuckwit.
Yes I will say it to your face

[Bikernereid]

That is really sad news. But to be honest I guess that lack of skin is going to be the least of her worries if she is brain damaged.

If the rider isn't to badly injured maybe he will think twice about taking scantily clad pillions on his bike again.


sorry guys n gals--turns out pillion from saturday night may be brain damaged,def has skin loss and serious internal injuries etc. Her gear was shite.
Saw her shoe 50m back down the road. -well gee wonder what state her legs n feet are in.

[Grub]

--turns out pillion from saturday night may be brain damaged,def has skin loss and serious internal injuries.

OK, so there's more to this than just a rant - which is how the original post read. What happened Saturday night? From your post, it sounds like the rider is someone we know.

p.s. That front-tuck pic gives me nightmares. It's one of two. The previous pic is of her laughing and waving to the camera. Somehow the two combined make it a very chilling sequence

[2wheeldrifter]

I wonder if we could put some age discrimination into this debate? Do you see any scantily glad females on the back on mature riders bikes? Do you see scantily clad mature females on the back of any bike?



Yep! TIT'S ON BIKES! :clap:

[Edbear]

... Do you see any scantily glad females on the back on mature riders bikes? ...


Interesting Freudian slip, there, Motu...:rolleyes:

[FROSTY]

In the situation of an inexperienced pillion the responsibility for making sure they have propper gear has to be on the rider.
I've been as guilty as the next guy for that one. 20 years ago I had an off with a pillion on the bike. She had conned me into taking her wearing just jeans and a jacket. Yep I thought I was "in " which um influenced my decision.

[Badjelly]

But to be honest I guess that lack of skin is going to be the least of her worries if she is brain damaged.

Not necessarily so. Brain damage doesn't all occur at the instant of impact and people's ability to survive, and recover from, serious injuries is affected by all the injuries, as well as by the general health and age of the person. (Or so I read once in a discussion of helmet safety, which I could probably find again, if I tried.) Protective gear on your body and limbs may not protect you from a bang on the head, but it may help you survive the bang on the head.

Sorry to hear about accident, which I know nothing of other than the little that's been said in this thread.

[Bikernereid]

I understand that but what I meant was that if she is going to spend the rest of her life brain damaged, living with scared legs etc really pales into insignificance.


Not necessarily so. Brain damage doesn't all occur at the instant of impact and people's ability to survive, and recover from, serious injuries is affected by all the injuries, as well as by the general health and age of the person. (Or so I read once in a discussion of helmet safety, which I could probably find again, if I tried.) Protective gear on your body and limbs may not protect you from a bang on the head, but it may help you survive the bang on the head.

Sorry to hear about accident, which I know nothing of other than the little that's been said in this thread.

[DingoZ]

In the situation of an inexperienced pillion the responsibility for making sure they have propper gear has to be on the rider.



Aye, want to get on the back of mine (when I am able to take pillions and have the necessary skills and experience to do so), without gear. Hope your boots are good enough for walking. Cause without gear, it ain't going to happen.....

[Mikkel]

If you don't want to read a rant then please DONT READ ON>
WHO lets a woman on the back of their bike in pedal pusher jeans, a pair of slip on shoes a dress jacket no gloves and an ill fitting helmet.
You sir are a prize fuckwit.
Yes I will say it to your face

Well, another question that also warrant attention is: "Who GETS on a bike wearing pedal pusher jeans, a pair of slip on shoes a dress jacket no gloves and an ill fitting helmet?"


OK, so there's more to this than just a rant - which is how the original post read. What happened Saturday night? From your post, it sounds like the rider is someone we know.

p.s. That front-tuck pic gives me nightmares. It's one of two. The previous pic is of her laughing and waving to the camera. Somehow the two combined make it a very chilling sequence

I believe this thread is related to the "Crash scene - what do you do?" thread, also in this subforum.

If this is the case FROSTY indicated that he knew which ICU they were at - in which case going there and telling the rider to his face will be very real possibility.

[Rogue]

Surely this is a case of Natural Selection the Darwin Theory could be right :shit:

[Bikernereid]

Yep but at the end of the day I think it is really about the battle between common sense and freedom of choice.

I would say that most of us would fight to defend frreedom of choice but when it comes to an issue that may impact upon health and whether you live or die then the common sense attitude tends to prevail (for most of us).


Surely this is a case of Natural Selection the Darwin Theory could be right :shit:

[FROSTY]

My opinion is that novice pillions are less knowledgable about gear than a newbee rider. No awareness of the concequences of a crash or even a minor oops without propper stuff on. .
In this case a rider with a concience should make sure they have propper gear on.

[Edbear]

Yep but at the end of the day I think it is really about the battle between common sense and freedom of choice.

I would say that most of us would fight to defend frreedom of choice but when it comes to an issue that may impact upon health and whether you live or die then the common sense attitude tends to prevail (for most of us).

It does seem that history favours feedom of choice over common sense...:weird:

[Bikernereid]

But then again history is written by the survivors and the conquorers so maybe those with common sense will survive longer and eventually change the status quo


It does seem that history favours feedom of choice over common sense...:weird:

[Kittyhawk]

First thought was Deathstar and his mrs on the back of his bike...Even had a word to him bout her not wearing the right gear! What's worse she had skin exposed on her lower back!!! Then she got her own bike and still didnt have the right gear:crybaby:

Then reading further down the thread...I felt sad.

I'd rather look like an idiot dressed in boyish leathers, than be on the back of a bike making a fashion statement. Cos it aint fashion which is going to save you when you are sliding down the road. And when I do have pillions I make sure they are geared up from head to toe, as I feel Im responsible for them.

[klingon]

Who is responsible for the pillion's gear - the rider or the pillion?

When I first started going on my boyfriend's bike as a pillion, I wore jeans, a quilted jacket, his old gloves (several sizes too large), an old helmet (which kinda fitted but not really), and a pair of leather fashion boots. I shudder now to think what might have happened if we had come off.

On one hand, it was my responsibility to dress properly. On the other hand, I really had no idea what "properly" meant. I thought jeans and my quilted jacket would protect me. I didn't know that a helmet wasn't meant to move around on your head. I thought boots were boots - I had no idea that his boots were stitched, reinforced and armoured. Mine were thin leather and barely glued together.

Then I started hanging around in here, talking to riders, looking at gear in shops and talking to the shop staff. It was only then that I realised how naive I had been.

A rider needs to make sure they explain the full potential of gear decisions to their pillion. If the pillion still wants to go on the back of the bike after being fully informed, then it's up to the two people involved to make the decision. And they will both have to live with the consequences of their actions.

[Bloody Mad Woman (BMW)]

The other day I watched this young girl in a short skirt, heels and a suit jacket, no gloves etc get on as a pillion - it did cross my mind this is going to be bloody interesting getting her leg over the seat - in a tight skirt - she managed it well really, rider was in jeans and tshirt, no gloves, you could see he'd had one spill by all the grazes on the bike, he took off at a great rate of knotts. Unbelievable. He is often at the same place that I have coffee so I'm going to have a word with him soon. Be buggered if I know how anyone can be so retarded. Even in my early days of riding - I always wore protective gear. While I believe in freedom of choice - I am leaning towards the fact that when somebody buys a bike - it is compulsory to have protective clothing!

[irishlad]

I came off my bike on Northern motorway last night. Bike lost power whilst going along. I pulled over to hard shoulder to stop. Unfortunately I ran out of tarmac. As soon as brakeing bike went on red chips it skidded out from under me. The damage shown happen through leather & kevlar gloves, a cordura jacket & Dragin jeans.

I'm very lucky. Apart from some scrapes & being seriously out of pocket I'm walking & talking. Not sure if I'll trust dragins again. In future would put knee pads under kevlar jeans.

Best wishes to unfortunate pillion.
Everyone be safe out there.

[Owl]

I think overall, that the standard of dress in NZ is pretty good. A few weeks ago, I was travelling at 110kph on the M1 between the Gold Coast and Brisbane, when I was overtaken by a YZF??? easily doing 160kph. I was horrified to see the pillion (small female) wearing a singlet, shorts and NO footwear:(. I hope she’s still alive!

[MGST]

Glad you're not too bad Irishlad, shame about your bike though.

Anyway, you wouldn't believe how many times a week I see people ( usually guys ) wearing all the kit ( expensive leather jackets and pants ( or cordura ), boots, the works, and along comes their little hottie Mrs in a nice short skirt, heels, blouse, etc jump on the back and off they roar. I work at the University of Auckland, and this is a daily occurance, how many times per day only depends on how long you have got to sit and watch the bike stand. Sad, but true.

I would never let anyone pillion on my bike without decent gear because I have a conscience and I feel responsible for them because I am in control of my machine. What happens to them when on my bike is my responsibility. ATGALT - for me AND my pillion.

[El Dopa]

No awareness of the concequences of a crash or even a minor oops without propper stuff on.

Correct.

People don't stop and think "um, what would it be like to be towed behind a car on tarmac doing 50K+ if I was wearing just jeans". They just go 'cool bike, looks fast', and hop on the back.

No doubt there'll be more than one person reading this who goes 'yeah, so what, Darwin, stupidity, not my problem, etc'. But in general, people don't think these things things through. I think about stuff like that more than most, and I didn't really think about gear until I joined this forum.

If people know the potential consequenses, and then CHOOSE not to wear the gear, that's one thing. Not having the options pointed out to them is another.

[McJim]

My first experience of a big bike was in 1984 sitting on the back of a Honda CB750 Four I think it was. Travelling from San Gimignano to a little place called Ciuciano in the Tuscan Hills.

Loved it - was wearing a T shirt, shorts and a pair of trainers. No gloves, no helmet just 42 degrees of summer sun and Italian hills and tarmac. Different times. Seems like a world and a whole lifetime ago.

I currently wear all the gear all the time on the road and would fully kit any pillion before taking them for a spin.

[Livvy]

I'm always seeing people around at the Wintec jumping on their scooters in tees and shorts and jandels and it drives me nuts because I know if they crash they'll probably be scared for life; but why would they listen to me if I warned them to get gear? I'm younger than them and a stranger.

I was told once that for every three metres you slide on the tarmac after coming off at 60kms, you loose a centimetre of flesh - whether it's right or wrong (and it sounds believable to me) it has stuck in my head.

[deathstar]

well to be honest i don't go anywhere without my sports falco boots some very expensive cordura pants and a race thick leather jacket and a shoei helmet ... my pillion has to meet the minimums as kitty said she had some back showing but other then that had teknic boots on some spyke gloves and a hjc helmet and even had a nice new macna jacket so apart from trousers we are very prepared

[Edbear]

I came off my bike on Northern motorway last night. Bike lost power whilst going along. I pulled over to hard shoulder to stop. Unfortunately I ran out of tarmac. As soon as brakeing bike went on red chips it skidded out from under me. The damage shown happen through leather & kevlar gloves, a cordura jacket & Dragin jeans.

I'm very lucky. Apart from some scrapes & being seriously out of pocket I'm walking & talking. Not sure if I'll trust dragins again. In future would put knee pads under kevlar jeans.

Best wishes to unfortunate pillion.
Everyone be safe out there.

Mmmm! While it is always good to have "real world" test results, and your observations are appreciated, you didn't really HAVE to go to this extent...;)

Glad you weren't hurt worse! Yours is a very good case for WEARING THE GEAR, people!

[EJK]

walking & talking
and typing ;)

Oooh! That blood stain on the Draggin Jeans is nasty! :(

Thanks for sharing the photos :yes:



I would never let anyone pillion on my bike without decent gear because I have a conscience and I feel responsible for them because I am in control of my machine. What happens to them when on my bike is my responsibility.

Exactly... :cool:

When I was pillioning people, I gave my jacket to them if they didn't have one. Its better for me to get hurt than them to get injured. The guiltyness IF we come off etc etc :blah:

[Disco Dan]

well to be honest i don't go anywhere without my sports falco boots some very expensive cordura pants and a race thick leather jacket and a shoei helmet ... my pillion has to meet the minimums as kitty said she had some back showing but other then that had teknic boots on some spyke gloves and a hjc helmet and even had a nice new macna jacket so apart from trousers we are very prepared

Thats because your a pussy.

[deathstar]

yes dan that is because i am a pussy ... hit the nail right on the head there .... OR .... is it that i like to be safe and have the money to keep myself that way

[Kittyhawk]

well to be honest i don't go anywhere without my sports falco boots some very expensive cordura pants and a race thick leather jacket and a shoei helmet ... my pillion has to meet the minimums as kitty said she had some back showing but other then that had teknic boots on some spyke gloves and a hjc helmet and even had a nice new macna jacket so apart from trousers we are very prepared

Glad to hear she has the right gear now. I was worried for her back in those early days!!!


Who is responsible for the pillion's gear - the rider or the pillion?

I would have to say the rider - why? because The rider is the one who knows best, knows what its like to crash, and knows the consequences involved with not wearing gear etc.
Sometimes a pillion will not be aware that a bike can fall down and slide etc. It may just be a "wow Im on a bike" and forget risks involved.

Me personally I like my rule, no gear no ride. Simple, I dont want a pillion coming back to me saying why did you crash look at my body now, ruined for life. At least if they are wearing the right gear, I did everything I could to prevent it in the long run.

[jrandom]

For what it's worth, Betty and I hit the deck at about 120kph coming out of turn 7 at Taupo last Friday.

I was wearing my zip-together Quasimoto leather jacket and pants, Sidi boots, cheapie four-year-old 'Neo' brand armoured leather gloves (they're still proper-length ones that don't ride up over my wrists, though) and Shoei XR-1000.

I slid, bounced and rolled for some ways and ended up off the track.

I was completely unmarked.

Had a bit of a sore leg for a few days where I landed on it, but I didn't get the bruising I thought I would.

So long as you don't slide into a car or a power pole, it's amazing how fast you can head down the tarmac on your arse and still avoid getting hurt if you're wearing the proper gear.

I noted the significant distance I bounced along for, though. If I'd had the same bin on the road, I would undoubtedly have run into something before I came to rest. It bears thinking about.

Highsides are another matter entirely, of course. Stay on the gas, boys and girls!

:crazy:

[Bonez]

I'm surprised no Rego or address details of the dreaded offender have been put up yet.

Fell off the GB in jeans. Grazing on the knees. End overed on the CX, bit of bruising.
Guess the idea is not to come off in the first place.

[90s]

I think overall, that the standard of dress in NZ is pretty good. A few weeks ago, I was travelling at 110kph on the M1 between the Gold Coast and Brisbane, when I was overtaken by a YZF??? easily doing 160kph. I was horrified to see the pillion (small female) wearing a singlet, shorts and NO footwear:(. I hope she’s still alive!

When I was in HongKong last year there were bikes of all sorts all over the shop. 90% of the riders in shorts & flip flops. Now it was damn hot, and the safest dressed people were the police, and even they were in short sleeve shirts with no jackets. Amazing. Because the crash rate aint no lower.


In the situation of an inexperienced pillion the responsibility for making sure they have propper gear has to be on the rider.


My opinion is that novice pillions are less knowledgable about gear than a newbee rider. No awareness of the concequences of a crash or even a minor oops without propper stuff on. .
In this case a rider with a concience (sic) should make sure they have propper gear on.

+1 on this.
I've had an off as a young man - hit by a cage. I still have some minor roadrash on one leg after 20+ yrs. I feel its my responsibility to point this out to young newbs who may not have thought it out. And if they decide to carry on anyway, their choice.


I'd rather look like an idiot dressed in boyish leathers, than be on the back of a bike making a fashion statement.

A newbie friend of mine is so fashion conscious he rode for 4 months without a jacket bacause he couldn't find one that had a certain retro-60s look he was after. And in that time he had several close shaves that scared him ...

Ultimately what can you do? (Mr Darwin? ... )

[Edbear]

...Guess the idea is not to come off in the first place.


I kinda like that idea...:first:

[TygerTung]

Those cheapie NEO gloves are pretty good, have had a few crashes while racing and they're still all good!

[yungatart]

Its not just pilions, what about scooter riders too.
I was chatting to a Yr 13 (7th former) last week as we walked throught the car park. He had a helmet in his hand, so I asked him where were his gloves. The response...it's not cold enouhg to need them yet, I'll get some before winter though.
So I took the opportunity to tell him what can happen to his hands in an accident. His g/f insisted that he go and buy gloves immediately.
On Monday, I saw the same student,he informed me he had ben down to the bike shop on Friday and bought gloves. He got knocked off his scoot on Saturday and grazed his gloves quite badly.
He thanked me for my advice and then told me that he'd taken heaps of skin off his elbow though. He'd not worn a jacket of any kind..."cos its not that cold yet"

Aaaargh!
But, nobody had ever explained to him the need for any gear, even when he bought his scooter brand new from a dealer!!

[Disco Dan]

Its not just pilions, what about scooter riders too.
I was chatting to a Yr 13 (7th former) last week as we walked throught the car park. He had a helmet in his hand, so I asked him where were his gloves. The response...it's not cold enouhg to need them yet, I'll get some before winter though.
So I took the opportunity to tell him what can happen to his hands in an accident. His g/f insisted that he go and buy gloves immediately.
On Monday, I saw the same student,he informed me he had ben down to the bike shop on Friday and bought gloves. He got knocked off his scoot on Saturday and grazed his gloves quite badly.
He thanked me for my advice and then told me that he'd taken heaps of skin off his elbow though. He'd not worn a jacket of any kind..."cos its not that cold yet"

Aaaargh!
But, nobody had ever explained to him the need for any gear, even when he bought his scooter brand new from a dealer!!

Even if full riding gear was in a bag attached to every bike thats sold - even made law to only sell bikes/scooters with riding gear, people would not wear it if they did not want too...

...there are still people who don't bother wearing their seatbelt in cars - which comes with every car.

[MSTRS]

Even if full riding gear was in a bag attached to every bike thats sold - even made law to only sell bikes/scooters with riding gear, people would not wear it if they did not want too...

...there are still people who don't bother wearing their seatbelt in cars - which comes with every car.

Ah, but the difference there is that it can be quite difficult to spot the wearing or not of a seatbelt...somewhat hard to hide on a bike.

[fireliv]

Its not just pilions, what about scooter riders too.
I was chatting to a Yr 13 (7th former) last week as we walked throught the car park. He had a helmet in his hand, so I asked him where were his gloves. The response...it's not cold enouhg to need them yet, I'll get some before winter though.
So I took the opportunity to tell him what can happen to his hands in an accident. His g/f insisted that he go and buy gloves immediately.
On Monday, I saw the same student,he informed me he had ben down to the bike shop on Friday and bought gloves. He got knocked off his scoot on Saturday and grazed his gloves quite badly.
He thanked me for my advice and then told me that he'd taken heaps of skin off his elbow though. He'd not worn a jacket of any kind..."cos its not that cold yet"

Aaaargh!
But, nobody had ever explained to him the need for any gear, even when he bought his scooter brand new from a dealer!!

That was my thought too. I have yet to see a scooter rider in fullm and proper gear! Like you say even gloves are a rareity! THe norn is Jandals and a tee yet they can hit speeds that will leave them looking like a peeled tomato too.

[Jiminy]

When I was pillioning people, I gave my jacket to them if they didn't have one. Its better for me to get hurt than them to get injured. The guiltyness IF we come off etc etc :blah:

I like that attitude. I've had a few ladies asking me to come as a pillion, and I was wondering how I'd manage if they don't have all the gear. I have two items of almost every piece of gear, but then there is a size problem. Good on you for giving them your gear.

Before I started riding, I went as a pillion with a couple of riders. I didn't have all the gear. Being over 30 and having done mountain biking for 10 years, I felt it was my choice to accept the risks or refuse the ride.

To the riders' credit, they use all their spare gear on me. However, I'm still upset with one of the riders to hit 190kph just because 'we were late'. Argl, as if arriving 30 seconds earlier is worth the risk of a bin at 190 with no proper boots and trousers! He still hears me complaining about it...

[chasio]

That was my thought too. I have yet to see a scooter rider in fullm and proper gear! Like you say even gloves are a rareity! THe norn is Jandals and a tee yet they can hit speeds that will leave them looking like a peeled tomato too.
I promise that we do exist. My GT200 will clear 120kmh, though maybe not uphill :) . I wear hard armoured jacket and pants, Shoei on my head, Sidi on my feet and decent bike gloves. I wear it all, every time I ride.

I'm trying hard to never need it. :scooter:

[Roki_nz]

Aaaargh!
But, nobody had ever explained to him the need for any gear, even when he bought his scooter brand new from a dealer!!

The problem I find with scooters is how they are advertised.

When I was looking through a magazine recently I noticed all the people modelling in the ads for scooters they only had half helmets on and no other gear. Typically it was blocks in causal suits and girls in skirts.

Compared with the bike adverts where people were wearing far more gear. When I first looked at getting a bike I can remember always seeing people in gear and thinking it looked cool so I went get gear (not to mention dad told me about his accidents).

If scooters were advertised with people wearing full kit it I am sure the riders would by the gear as well.

Btw don’t you just have a laugh when its pissing down with rain, bloody windy and someone gets on their scooter with their little woollen gloves and puffy jacket and goes for a ride. Always makes me smile at their stupidity.

[Nagash]

The gear for pillions is interesting, I've got 5 helmets, 2 jackets and 3 pairs of gloves, at home. But that's not usually where i'm pillioning from. On occasion I have gone back home, collected the gear and come back but sometimes that's unrealistic so I always make them wear my gear. My risk and I have no bad feelings about it.

Just gotta take risks sometimes..

[James Deuce]

I've done a bit of reading of late, especially in the 250 section (They don't like me in there. I keep shining a torch on their inadequate penis extensions.) and I've figured out the rules.

1. All pillions must be outfitted in a helmet that the rider had previously crashed in. Size doesn't matter and neither does vision. It's cool to have battle scars on your pillion's visor.
2. Pillions must wear hipster jeans with their thong showing. Gender doesn't matter as this is merely a display of submissive sexual status. Riderz R Cool. Pillions are meat.
3. Footwear must be converse boots with the laces undone. The "laces undone" bit is very important. They won't be able to get caught in the chain if they are fastened securely.
4. Pillions don't need warm or waterproof gear as they are sitting behind the rider.
5. If you do have warm or waterproof gear to lend your victim, err pillion, it must be so heavily damaged that the Salvation Army have already rejected it.
6. Most important of all. If anything happens it isn't the rider's responsibility to ensure that the pillion is correctly clothed. They're a grown up and it's their life. Serves them right for getting on the back of my bike with crap gear on.

OK, sarcasm off.

If the pillion doesn't have their own well maintained, good fitting gear, don't take them on the back. The law only mandates a helmet. Surely you give more of shit for your pillions than the law does?

Look at it from a selfish viewpoint. One day you may grow a conscience and the fact that "Mary" only has one foot and half of one arm may actually start to gnaw at you. That can be a total shit, that can.

[Fudmucker]

So tell me - is that first post pic, is a bike riding on the LEFT side and running wide, or a biker riding on the RIGHT side and cutting the corner...?

Either way, what the h*ll is he doing riding there...!??

:eek5:

BTW: Riding to a ToyRun one year, a pillion on a Blackhawk was perched there wearing a string halter top and tight cycle pants with a high-riding G-string. I've never seen so many guys before trying to ride in formation behind that bike...! :gob:

[sunhuntin]

So tell me - is that first post pic, is a bike riding on the LEFT side and running wide, or a biker riding on the RIGHT side and cutting the corner...?

Either way, what the h*ll is he doing riding there...!??

:eek5:

BTW: Riding to a ToyRun one year, a pillion on a Blackhawk was perched there wearing a string halter top and tight cycle pants with a high-riding G-string. I've never seen so many guys before trying to ride in formation behind that bike...! :gob:

i *think* the photo is american, which could explain a few things.

susan doesnt come riding with me unless shes wearing the gear shes got. although i often ride in a singlet or tshirt, theres no way id allow her to do the same. all the gear, or you can stay home. id never forgive myself if she got hurt. im not even all that happy with her jacket, and want her to get an armoured one, neither of us can afford it right now, so itll have to wait.

[fLaThEaD FreD]

My partner is my world and I would never live with myself if I hurt her. She's been around bikes all her life and I am new to it. I've not yet had her on the back yet as I'm not ready but have already started getting her the good gear. Fitting fullface helmet ,Armoured jacket and gloves sofar.Next are matching armoured or leather pants(her choice) and some decent boots. I've had one decent bin and still recovering but the good gear at least kept my skin on my bones......the bones were another story lololol:doctor:
She especially knows how vunerable we are :cry: and wont ride with me until she is totally satisfied she will be safe with me.


i *think* the photo is american, which could explain a few things.

susan doesnt come riding with me unless shes wearing the gear shes got. although i often ride in a singlet or tshirt, theres no way id allow her to do the same. all the gear, or you can stay home. id never forgive myself if she got hurt. im not even all that happy with her jacket, and want her to get an armoured one, neither of us can afford it right now, so itll have to wait.

[Mountlocal1]

Reminds me of a guy I saw out Oropi a few years back on a TL or similer sports bike doin mono's up and down a road with jeans, sneakers and singlet. No helmet. Wouldve been doing well over 100k. :spanking:

I have to admit I was guilty of letting someone on the back with just jeans jacket etc back when I was a young fella... Now days if my spare gear dont fit ya or ya dont have your own then aint no way in hell your getting on my bike.

[raftn]

I personally would never take some one on my bike unless they are properly fitted out. I take my kids out some times, not often, but still went to the expense of getting the right gear for them. I would take it very personally if my pillion was hurt badly when it could of been avoided if the correct gear was being being worn.

Skin grafs are not cool, neither is brain damage, loss of limbs, or death.....

[celticbhoy]

found this thread interesting as I took my first pillion yesterday. Borrowed a jacket, helmet and gloves. She had never been on a bike before and as I was suiting her up she asked if all this was necessary and is it worth it!!!! I was nervous she didn't have bike boots or pants....anyway 20 mins later she lovin it and screamin her head off with joy. Yes it was worth putting gear on but maybe in summer don't need to she says!! Shit just could not get thru to her the idea of safety! She did a good job as a first time pillion and I was happy with my part but bummed she just doesn't get it!

[Duke girl]

What makes me laugh at people who ride 2 wheels without the appropiate protective gear on is the only thing they do protect is their head by wearing a helmet. What good is it protecting your head when the rest of you would be spread out all over the road. Why do you think they make protective bike gear for, to look at, I dont think so. All I can say to those who ride with that type of clothing on is they dont value their lives at all or those they allow on the back dressed in the same way. Regardless of how good a rider you are you cant trust everyone around you while riding, so have enough common sense and dress appropately while riding, Isnt your life worth that much?.

[klingon]

....anyway 20 mins later she lovin it and screamin her head off with joy. ...

Are you sure she was enjoying it? :confused:

If you have trouble convincing her to wear the gear, just send her on here and the locals will sort her out.

["D" FZ1]

I have sold approx 80 scooters in Hamilton in the last couple of years. They all obviously buy a helmet but very few have listened to me and bought gloves and a decent jacket. Even parents buying scooters for there kids to get to Uni or to work on. Either to tight or naive about what could happen in a crash.

[klingon]

I can kind of understand about some of the gear being a bit expensive, bulky to carry when you're at work or uni etc etc... but no gloves?! They're as cheap as anything, easy to carry around tucked in your helmet and could save you so much pain and grief! I simply cannot understand why people don't wear them!

[celticbhoy]

Are you sure she was enjoying it? :confused:

If you have trouble convincing her to wear the gear, just send her on here and the locals will sort her out.

Maybe it was just the vibrations she was enjoying and worried more gear might reduce them!!:msn-wink:

[portokiwi]

:2guns: I saw a girl on the back of a Honda in Auckland city on Monday the male rider was fully kitted up, and she had a skirt, light jacket and high heals on.
Yes he might have been droping her of to do some shopping.
it was a 250cc. I loughed and said to my wife that this is what everyone is complaing about on KBers.
Mind you I saw this realy sexy lady the same day wearing fawn trou riding a Suzuki GN riding through britomart. i got a slap around the ears from my wife but even she had to admit the lady did look good. Might get her one of those bikes I think:2thumbsup

[MarkH]

I can kind of understand about some of the gear being a bit expensive, bulky to carry when you're at work or uni etc etc... but no gloves?! They're as cheap as anything, easy to carry around tucked in your helmet and could save you so much pain and grief! I simply cannot understand why people don't wear them!

I bought Helmet/gloves/wet weather gear/kevlar reinforced jeans on the day before I picked up my scoot. When I picked it up I decided that I didn't want to trust my normal shoes while riding, so I got some boots for the ride home. Less than a week later I upgraded my jacket to a proper leather jacket with hard armour.

In total I must have spent most of the way towards $2K and I can understand why some riders don't want to spend that much. But safety is important and you should factor in at least reasonable gear into the cost of getting a bike/scoot.

[Irontusk]

Scooter riders are shocking for the gear they wear, alot of it is the advertising (not only the pics showing people riding with nothing but an open faced helmet, which in my opinion is a very bad choice anyway), they are always advertised with a price that is supposed to be for new riders to be ready to ride.. no gear mentioned or suggested of course. That and with the cost of scooters, then the cost of gear is much more in comparison to buying a proper bike.
When I started looking for a bike, I started looking for gear at the same time cause common sense told me it was something I'd have to include in what I could spend.

Both the bike dealerships I went into, saying I was looking for my first bike, didn't mention gear at all, I had to ask about it.. :nono:

[Zuki Bandit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cR5IhDFdmM .......................:nono:

[Irontusk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cR5IhDFdmM .......................:nono:

OUCH!

I did the same thing off the front of a trike when I was about 14, we were just riding around a farm (no gear of any sort.. clever, I know) and I wasn't holding on tight enough when the driver changed gear (the front wheel liked to jump on gear change), I got thrown off but managed to climb back on after running along infront of it for a moment. That was a moment of adrenaline, and luck!

But again, how could someone be so stupid to take a pillion like that and then do stunts to top it off.

[MarkH]

But again, how could someone be so stupid to take a pillion like that and then do stunts to top it off.

Unlike intelligence, there is no limit to human stupidity.

[bezajel]

I had no idea what I should be wearing when I started pillioning, luckily Neil was adamant about me having helmet (a nice new one), gloves (his old ones) and cordura jacket (his spare one). I started out matching that with knee high leather boots and jeans, but got motorcycle boots and draggin jeans fairly promptly. As a result, I was completely kitted out before I got my own bike.... next on my list are some cordura pants and some better gloves.

On the other hand, when we went to Rarotonga we did as the locals and biked in shorts and tshirts, not even helmets (the best we did was to wear sensible shoes). That creeped me out, it's scary what the heat and predominant practice can make you do... I like to think we'll be better next time. :Oops: