Horse deaths (TV1 News, 3 April)

[homer]

anyone see the horses that are to be put down on the news tonight .
Thin skinny no food at all , and i guess been that way for at least 2 - 3 weeks .
I hope i never meet a person who cant feed there pets , stock , animals
wether there ill , dying , or what the fuck ever else .
id fucken pound them .
theres no excuse for not feeding animals has to be the worst thing ever .

goes for the dairy industry as well , having seen not so good stock, not bad just not good .

theres always feed to buy.

Personally if up to me the consequences would be simple .
you get a warning , if nothing done , with police presence , all property and vehicles are seised and your out the gate within 24 hrs
In other words you have nothing , you hand over all you own .
this is then sold , and no you dont the money , crown takes all .

seems to be happening to much lately.

:argh:

[Hitcher]

Prosecution for animal welfare abuse or neglect is problematic and expensive. Agencies like the SPCA or MAF only take cases to Court that they are confident that they can win or to establish case law principles. There is little point taking a prosecution if there is a likelihood that one may lose.

But personal responsibility also kicks in here. Most animal welfare abusers have neighbours who turn a blind eye to what's happening next door. Maintaining standards shouldn't be left entirely in the hands of enforcement agencies.

Yes, animal cruelty is repugnant. So too is domestic violence. New Zealanders are too accepting of both.

[Mikkel]

Homer, while I agree with most of what you are saying, there are people on this planet that actually have to make an active choice between whether to feed themselves or their livestock. I agree that in NZ in 99% of all cases of what you describe is indeed unacceptable.

[JimO]

from what i heard the elderly owner is seriously ill and couldnt take care of the horses someone else should have stepped in either a relative or a neighbour

[James Deuce]

The horse trainer has terminal cancer.

He's going to die.

Good enough for you?

He's done this his whole life. He'll be Wishing he was dead right now. Maltreating horses isn't what this chap will be about.

[homer]

Prosecution for animal welfare abuse or neglect is problematic and expensive. Agencies like the SPCA or MAF only take cases to Court that they are confident that they can win or to establish case law principles. There is little point taking a prosecution if there is a likelihood that one may lose.

But personal responsibility also kicks in here. Most animal welfare abusers have neighbours who turn a blind eye to what's happening next door. Maintaining standards shouldn't be left entirely in the hands of enforcement agencies.

Yes, animal cruelty is repugnant. So too is domestic violence. New Zealanders are too accepting of both.

thats true
maybe all of us be aware and take notice. "not saying we dont"

[homer]

The horse trainer has terminal cancer.

He's going to die.

Good enough for you?

He's done this his whole life. He'll be Wishing he was dead right now. Maltreating horses isn't what this chap will be about.

no not good enough for me .
phone , unless dont have one .
they can ring the spca them selves , even if it to get them to put feed out for the stock .

as i said theres no excuses, are you saying if " im sick " so the stock dont need fed.

[alley cat]

The horse trainer has terminal cancer.

He's going to die.

Good enough for you?

He's done this his whole life. He'll be Wishing he was dead right now. Maltreating horses isn't what this chap will be about.

Thatl learn him.
Prick.

[James Deuce]

You'll note that the story has been pulled from the Herald's website and Stuff. There's more than meets the eye, and as usual you lot on KB are ready to jump to conclusions without all the details.

Ever had terminal cancer? If you ever do and don't meet all your obligations we'll make sure it gets in the news and you're portrayed as a sad sack of human detritus who deserves to be dying of cancer.

[James Deuce]

Oh yeah, just for the record. You fuckers don't ever help people who really need it. There's three people on this site who have gone out of their way to help me when the chips have been down. People I've begged to help have told me to get fucked. There's people I know who would've helped if they could and their support is appreciated, but the majority don;t really care, despite wanking on about the great KB community. The rest of you make murmuring noises and pat people on the head and don't actually fucking do anything, so if that's indicative of society in general it's no wonder those horses died. I've seen it time and again. When it gets "real" Kiwis want to blame everyone else and not actually get their hands dirty.

Everybody standing around watching the horses die, with their thumb pointing firmly at their forehead and then dropping the poor bastard right in the shit when he can't do a thing about it. It's the Kiwi way.

[ynot slow]

The guy as stated has cancer,he is a standardbred breeder that is trotters not gallopers and one of the mares is extremelly well bred,(i.e yearlings from her worth say $50grand)so maybe with his health, he has asked someone to help and they have'nt, maybe he has other things on his mind,or is incapable due to illness to think about anything and if he was an animal would be put down by now.

Each person with cancer if terminal reacts differently.Mind you wondering what's wrong with his family or friends not doing something earlier.

The horses were unbroken(some of them) so the animal welfare guys couldn't get close to some of them,then when they did put a bit of feed around the horses were fighting for it.Check out www.racecafe.co.nz and click the link to harness nz for info.

[McDuck]

Oh yeah, just for the record. You fuckers don't ever help people who really need it. There's three people on this site who have gone out of their way to help me when the chips have been down. People I've begged to help have told me to get fucked. There's people I know who would've helped if they could and their support is appreciated, but the majority don;t really care, despite wanking on about the great KB community. The rest of you make murmuring noises and pat people on the head and don't actually fucking do anything, so if that's indicative of society in general it's no wonder those horses died. I've seen it time and again. When it gets "real" Kiwis want to blame everyone else and not actually get their hands dirty.

Everybody standing around watching the horses die, with their thumb pointing firmly at their forehead and then dropping the poor bastard right in the shit when he can't do a thing about it. It's the Kiwi way.

As normal jim2 is right.
When i first heard about it i to was real pissed off, then i had a chat to some rural people and then i had a think about it. A skill that is lacking in this thread.
Ultamitly he would no have wanted it to happen but when it all turns to shit it all turns to shit.

[homer]

You'll note that the story has been pulled from the Herald's website and Stuff. There's more than meets the eye, and as usual you lot on KB are ready to jump to conclusions without all the details.

Ever had terminal cancer? If you ever do and don't meet all your obligations we'll make sure it gets in the news and you're portrayed as a sad sack of human detritus who deserves to be dying of cancer.

I actually saw it on the news on tv last night
i do know you only believe 50% of what the news tells ya cause the rest you dont get to hear .
as you say there worth a lot of money .
its no good stating that ," someone didnt do there job" ,
theres stock in a paddock , no feed , no water id guess either
no excusses for the condition of them , no matter if the owers sick or not , there responsible . If its money or value out there , theyed have something organised.
If you boss gets cancer , sick or hit by a bus you stil wanted payed , dont you .

Even the spca said they could have organised something .

[chanceyy]

any animals are a huge responsibility I know I own two horses & as some on here can attest to my days off still revolve around taking care of them twice a day

I had a bit of a post about this situation this morning, but then got a call from a friend whose old horse was in a bad way & the vets were there but she was not communicating well with them & wanted me there to support her, & with the decisions that had to be made

long & short of it I was there holding him when he was put down & took my friend away from the house while the hole was being dug (we bury our horses)
then assisted to getting him in the hole & making sure everything was done that caused her & the horse (in his last moments) the least amount of stress

on considering the situation today .. and I did not see the TV item last nite .. horses would not get skinny overnite so I wonder how many people had seen the horses & turned a blind eye to it .. we as a society are all guilty of this

[ynot slow]

Well done in a pressure situation.Seems local by-products factory won't take injected animals now.
But seems to be not my problem re neighbours looking on.

Silly thing is we are disgusted with animal acts like this but anything similar happens to say kids or adults,i.e male vs female domestic and no outcry.

[BiK3RChiK]

I actually saw it on the news on tv last night
i do know you only believe 50% of what the news tells ya cause the rest you dont get to hear .
as you say there worth a lot of money .
its no good stating that ," someone didnt do there job" ,
theres stock in a paddock , no feed , no water id guess either
no excusses for the condition of them , no matter if the owers sick or not , there responsible . If its money or value out there , theyed have something organised.
If you boss gets cancer , sick or hit by a bus you stil wanted payed , dont you .

Even the spca said they could have organised something .

Sometimes people with terminal illness are so busy/exhausted from just coping with their illness that things get left. I know this, as my Dad died from cancer. He didn't know the half of what he was doing because he was on morphine which basically fried his brain! Another very close friend of mine is in remission from cancer, and having seen the battle he has gone through, I can see how things like this can happen. Fortunately, in both cases, family have stepped up to the plate and helped out where needed. In the case of my Dad (a farmer) my brother at the age of 19 took over the Dairy Farm and kept it running.

It's real easy to sit back and point the finger. How many are prepared to stick their neck out, and jump the fence to help out the neighbour who can't do it anymore? Not many, that's for sure! That is why stuff like this happens in our country along with spousal abuse, child abuse, etc, etc...

We need to get over ourselves in this country and step up to the plate when we see something that doesn't look right, even at the risk of getting accused of meddling in other peoples' affairs!

My 0.02!

[ajturbo]

long & short of it I was there holding him when he was put down & took my friend away from the house while the hole was being dug (we bury our horses)



bugger and here i have 3 lovely doggies...........:chase:

[chanceyy]

bugger and here i have 3 lovely doggies...........:chase:

:yes: I know & none of our horsies will they chew ..:bleh: :2guns:

[Trudes]

Now, I wonder how many people drove past these horses everyday and thought "goodness, aren't those horses getting skinny, and there's no feed for them.... oh well" and never gave it a second thought.
Some people, like Jim was saying, haven't got a generous or caring bone in their body, they go on about caring and shit, but when the situation arises they do nothing.
My mum picks up stray cats all over the show (now this is kinda strange... but she actually watches the death notices in her town and when someone dies, she goes round and makes sure their cat or dog is re-homed, or she brings it home), I remember as a kid also, my mum feeding animals that she didn't know who owned them because they had no feed or were looking a bit worse for wear, untangle tied up goats and help sheep stuck in a fence... (What a saint!) It's just about seeing a need and doing something about it.... it's not the animal's fault, but they're the ones that suffer. Sucks!:weep:

[homer]

from what i saw on the news the paddock where they were "appeared " to be more secluded .
i didnt notice and road that handy and didnt hear any vehicle noise .
but you are very correct .

Thats correct and also animals cant speak up , so to me its still no defence say that "oh ive got cancer, or im sick, or im dying." as a stock owner or pet owner you bloody know the consequences.

[tri boy]

Oh yeah, just for the record. You fuckers don't ever help people who really need it. There's three people on this site who have gone out of their way to help me when the chips have been down. People I've begged to help have told me to get fucked. There's people I know who would've helped if they could and their support is appreciated, but the majority don;t really care, despite wanking on about the great KB community. The rest of you make murmuring noises and pat people on the head and don't actually fucking do anything, so if that's indicative of society in general it's no wonder those horses died. I've seen it time and again. When it gets "real" Kiwis want to blame everyone else and not actually get their hands dirty.

Everybody standing around watching the horses die, with their thumb pointing firmly at their forehead and then dropping the poor bastard right in the shit when he can't do a thing about it. It's the Kiwi way.

Quite a mass generalisation there J2.
Sorry if you have been let down in the past, but ease up on slagging every one out, lest you wish for zero help in the future. MHO.
Shame about the nags, a noble creature for sure.