And the Sick F**k award goes to ...

[Slipstream]

.. the guy I shared my house wall with 2 months ago.

:brick:

Really cool guy moves in, helps out with the gardening, has a daughter that mine can play with every 2nd weekend, has funny stories about painting jobs.

Then guy does a runner one day cos we found out he robbed next door. He takes some of my friends stuff and bolts without paying rent.

So fine, I find out he's a con artist/thief...bugger.

Then I get a call from a cop asking questions on what kinda guy he was.
:spudwhat:
I'm told he's being charged for murder.
:shit:
Next day in the paper, his name was on page 3 saying that he's on trial for murder of his 9mth old step daughter :gob:

Today I find out how....
I will not go through all details I was told
:sick: :puke:
but let me tell you this...
Throwing a baby on its head onto the floor is NOT a good way to make it go to sleep! :angry2: :mad: :angry:

He had looked after my kids too :weep:

[Blakamin]

WTF???? fucking helll.... cunts like that are the reason that there should be a death penalty.....

lost for words.......

At least your kids are OK.....

[vifferman]

I can't imagine how you feel about that. :no:

It just makes my skin crawl. :(

[MOTOXXX]

.............farrkkk.

[Quasievil]

Wow , not sure how I would react to that, but its very sad about the child. HAve to be so careful these days huh?

Hope he gets locked up in a wing of child liking Mongrel Mob members so some natural justice can occur.

[duckman]

what the hell is wrong with some people ??? :no:

[Hitcher]

Hopefully it can be confidently predicted that said gent is going away for a very long time.

Makes you wonder what goes on in people's heads at times. Also wonder if it was his first offence of this type and what other moments lurk in this guy's past...

[manuboy]

Is it that we hear about that stuff more these days with the all pervasive media and the internut, or are there just more of these complete fuckin nutters about roaming the streets?

What sort of person appears relatively normal one second, then does that the next?

Thank fuck for prison justice.

[spudchucka]

What sort of person appears relatively normal one second, then does that the next?
Met anyone amped up on P lately?

That stuff turns otherwise "normal" people into total psychos!

[Coyote]

I swear my old neighbours are going to die from a P-Lab explosion. Good job we moved or we would've been caught in the explosion.

[Joni]

I dont even know what to say....
Im glad that you and your children came off unhurt.

Damn that disturbs me!!

[Yokai]

Is it that we hear about that stuff more these days with the all pervasive media and the internut, or are there just more of these complete fuckin nutters about roaming the streets?

Both. Between the "normal" sort of "have a few beers and beat up your wife and kids" guy that's been around for ages who is now being reported (GOOD!) and is being shown up in the media, and the overcrowding of our world that means that psyches don't develop well, we get this stuff happening.

Thank God your Kid's Ok...

[manuboy]

Met anyone amped up on P lately?

That stuff turns otherwise "normal" people into total psychos!

actually no.... i must be hanging out with the "right" crowd. The worst thing they do is bin motorcycles (that's serious enough but not in comparison)...

never had the pleasure met a P user (who was p'd at the time) ...

[Slipstream]

I can't imagine how you feel about that. :no:

It just makes my skin crawl. :(


I'm still a bit shaken ... I'm just glad that he didn't snap until after he moved away ... I'm a little more paranoid about babysitters now.

All I can think of was him doing a lot of those "herbal" pills, you know, jump, esp and the ones you can buy at some pizza stores. I don't think he slept very much, he was always taking more than the amount suggested on the packs.

I missed that Doco on TV about them, anyone see it?

I remember in my techno raving days drinking Lucozade and taking 2 no-doze pills at midnight every sat night, man I'm glad these things weren't around then. :wacko:

[Yokai]

I remember in my techno raving days drinking Lucozade and taking 2 no-doze pills at midnight every sat night, man I'm glad these things weren't around then. :wacko:
Jeez - you were techno raving young! I remember doing that in the late 80s ... Heh. re: those pills - I still dunno how they get to be legal and pot doesn't. *shrug* weird.

I had a flatmate who was a pothead who finally quit his ounce a fortnight (YUP!) habit because "The government wants to keep all the anarchists in a state of stupor!"

[rodgerd]

Is it that we hear about that stuff more these days with the all pervasive media and the internut, or are there just more of these complete fuckin nutters about roaming the streets?

Possibly, possibly not. 30 years ago he might have gotten away with it as a household accident, the way 30 years ago child-molester priests got shifted from diocese to the next, rather than prosecuted.

[James Deuce]

OMG - OMG - OMG!

I don't think your kids would have been in any danger, in the same way a P- Lab makes for an excellent, quiet, well behaved neighbour.

Still. <shudder>.

[SPman]

I remember in my techno raving days drinking Lucozade and taking 2 no-doze pills at midnight every sat night, man I'm glad these things weren't around then. :wacko: Wanna bet. They were there - you just wernt aware of them. And P users are more common than you might think - in all stratas of society!

[Motu]

That's scary shit....these guys live in a whole world made up in their head,and it's very easy to be sucked in by them - I reckon if someone seems just too much a good guy he's one of these...

Closest I been to one is a guy I helped set up a MTB race with,we had a good time doing the race weekend with him...then a few weeks later he kills his girl friend with a knife.

[Joni]

Still

Yeah... still....
The what iffs become huge, and how you plan for your childrens care from then on... who you trust etc!

Ggrrrr....

[James Deuce]

Possibly, possibly not. 30 years ago he might have gotten away with it as a household accident, the way 30 years ago child-molester priests got shifted from diocese to the next, rather than prosecuted.

Proportionally the level of offending probably hasn't changed. The population has doubled in 40 years though, and where there used to be a little bit of state run telly, moderated newspapers, state radio, and the odd film newsreel, you can now get "news" in every concievable media format, straight off a PC. You have to fill up that space with anything faintly newsworthy (or not) - apparently. Moral and ethical standards are of ZERO concern to anyone in an editorial role.

I hate that this guy will get "help" once he's part of the judicial system. He should be working to help his victims by digging for roading material with his fingernails and chewing the gravel to the right size for chipseal.

[Skyryder]

I'm sure you've given your kids a big hug after this Slip.. Not much you can do but give thanks to who or whatever. But then I am sure you've done this too.

Skyryder

[Paul in NZ]

After his 'experiences' he will probably become a social worker....

Seems you have to have been 'saved' at some stage to have any credibility... 'course us friggin' people wot never ate any babies or never murdered anyone wouldn't have a clue about coping with life would we?

Glad it worked out. Sorry you had the experience but the simple fact is the person that does you the most harm is the one that you don't expect..

Personally, the excessive taking of herbal pills would have set all sorts of alarms off for me but thats easy to say with hindsight eh?

Paul N

[Ghost Lemur]

...
What sort of person appears relatively normal one second, then does that the next?

Is that a rhetorical question? If not the answer is ALL OF THEM.

Hitler, Bundy, This Guy, Manson (well ok maybe not Manson, lol :wacko: ). What do they all have in common? Their Human, the ability to be good and bad, nice and nasty. None of them were Evil, and I do always chuckle when I hear people called that. People are much worse. Least with pure Evil you'd know what you were getting, with people you don't.

What's worse is everyone is capable. I have a great deal of trouble distinguishing between the society sanctioned soldier who gets payed to murder people and the average joe killer.

A little side fact. Bashing a babies head in isn't new, minutes after Caligula was assasinated they did it to his 3 year old daughter against a wall. This is the world we live in, and always has been.

Recent news: an Indian couple strangle their 13 year old son after having to move multiple time due to him stealing from neighbours.

To be honest I never planned on having kids for exactly this reason. As it happened though I'm now a dad and loving it. I can't say it even scares me anymore. You can't let it, if you do the fear can consume you. The worlds a place with joy and pain, love and hate, birth and death. I can sometimes see why people turn to the opiate of the masses though, no individual really has that much control over things.

Glad you and kids are ok Slipstream, use this experience as a positive and saviour ever precious moment you get to spend with them, because either way it'll all be over much too quickly.

/Morbid

[riffer]

Crikey. And to think we let him take Tim for a ride on the back of his R6 as well...

:mellow:

It's enough to freak you out ...

[jrandom]

P users are more common than you might think - in all stratas of society!

That is very, very true.

I've known several users from *radically* different social strata. You can just never tell.

[Storm]

Oh for the good ol days of the hangmans noose. Used to cut repeat offending down reall good.
But you're right, he'll get counselling and help etc, and they'll take pains to keep him away from child loving mongrel mob types.
Bout the only thing that lets me sleep at night is they all have to answer to God sooner or later and that there are no lawyers or complete bullshit appeals at that particular trial.
Thats my 5c anyhow


Glad to hear you and your kids are ok Slipstream

[Hitcher]

Oh for the good ol' days of the hangman's noose. Used to cut repeat offending down real good.
Repeat offending, yes (if you got the right person). Innocent people wrongly executed, yes. Disincentive to others contemplating similar crimes, no.

We live in a (so-called) civilised society, where democracy and the rule of law apply (mostly). While offended at barbarous crimes wrought inhumanely against the innocent and helpless, I find the thought of capital punishment and revenge killing even more offensive. I condemn all thoughts of vigilante justice or "mob" rule.

[Storm]

I must admit to being somewhat undecided on that issue. I find that I am frustrated with these sort of things going on, but at the same time realise that permanantly removing these folks isnt a viable option either. So, I am thinking that it is a case of damned if we do string them up, and damned of we let them go. Anyone got any ideas on how things could be changed for the better?

[jrandom]

While offended at barbarous crimes wrought inhumanely against the innocent and helpless, I find the thought of capital punishment and revenge killing even more offensive. I condemn all thoughts of vigilante justice or "mob" rule.

Oooh, let's have a capital punishment thread. We haven't done that in a while.

Who's with me?

[Hitcher]

I must admit to being somewhat undecided on that issue. I find that I am frustrated with these sort of things going on, but at the same time realise that permanantly removing these folks isnt a viable option either. So, I am thinking that it is a case of damned if we do string them up, and damned of we let them go. Anyone got any ideas on how things could be changed for the better?
If the evidence against the gentleman in question is as damning in Court as it is here, then a jury should have few difficulties finding said gent guilty. I imagine that the judge will show little mercy when sentencing, so a very long prison stint will be the order of the day.

The real issue here is what we as a society are prepared to do about those in our communities who think that it's OK to beat up (and I don't mean spanking) on their kids and partners. Domestic violence in New Zealand isn't so much an "epidemic" as a national pastime that we appear to condone. This is about US, not THEM!! Similarly the P epidemic or just passively accepting that it's OK for kids to smoke Dac and waste their lives. What are WE doing about it, apart from bitching that there are too few cops with too few resources, or that the Gummint should pass harsher laws? For fuck's sake, it's about US!!

[jrandom]

at the same time realise that permanantly removing these folks isnt a viable option either.

Bloody oath it is. I got a real good 160-grain solution to that problem of yours.


So, I am thinking that it is a case of damned if we do string them up...

Who's gonna damn you? And why does it matter?


Anyone got any ideas on how things could be changed for the better?

People like you could stop being so damn *wet*, for a start.

[Hitcher]

See what happens when you edit your post to add missing punctuation? There's nothing worse than a poorly punctuated rant!

[Hitcher]

Oooh, let's have a capital punishment thread. We haven't done that in a while.

Who's with me?
You'll be first against the wall, sunshine!

[James Deuce]

I must admit to being somewhat undecided on that issue. I find that I am frustrated with these sort of things going on, but at the same time realise that permanantly removing these folks isnt a viable option either. So, I am thinking that it is a case of damned if we do string them up, and damned of we let them go. Anyone got any ideas on how things could be changed for the better?

It is simple. You can't change people. People have to decide to change for themselves.

I'm against the recently passed Bill to strike minor convictions. Quite simply it means that all property is fair game (shoplifting, and minor fraud are included in legislation).

The basic morals of a society are relatively easy to learn. If you don't get "it", there should be permanent consequences.

[Hitcher]

It is simple. You can't change people. People have to decide to change for themselves.

I'm against the recently passed Bill to strike minor convictions. Quite simply it means that all property is fair game (shoplifting, and minor fraud are included in legislation).

The basic morals of a society are relatively easy to learn. If you don't get "it", there should be permanent consequences.
At last, a kindred spirit on the Clean Slate Act! I thought I was going mad when those alongside whom I work thought that it was a good idea. Surely it is your (prospective) employer's call as to whether you have rehabilitated yourself? A "minor" crime committed during one's youth should still be available for prospective employers and others into whose trust you expect to operate.

[MikeL]

An obvious troll.

Nobody who has met the urbane, intelligent and erudite JR would for a moment entertain the thought that he could support the barbarity of capital punishment...

[James Deuce]

An obvious troll.

Nobody who has met the urbane, intelligent and erudite JR would for a moment entertain the thought that he could support the barbarity of capital punishment...
Sotto Voce - 'cept if they bought him a nice "piece" to do the deed.

[Slipstream]

Crikey. And to think we let him take Tim for a ride on the back of his R6 as well...

No no no...that was Jase, he's cool...it was his stuff that was nicked....he wanted to hit the guy for stealing his stereo...hearing what he did to the baby, now he wants to lynch the guy.

I repeat, the guy on the R6 is not the f**kwit. The f**kwit is in a holding cell and has been for a while.

[jimbo600]

That's just damn well scary. I am truly lost for words.

[ajturbo]

bit of a shame...
my younger brother lives in welly, he would have been the best baby sitter in the world...but as all good things come to and end...he is leaving for china, and a new life/wife...
but when (if) he comes back .......

[jrandom]

An obvious troll.

Yee, and, if I may venture to add, haw.


Nobody who has met the urbane, intelligent and erudite JR would for a moment entertain the thought that he could support the barbarity of capital punishment...

As a matter of fact, I have a well-considered, well-defined and perfectly defensible position on the subject, the laying out here of which would be utterly boring and pointless, since none of you would find yourselves capable of disagreeing with it...

[sels1]

He had looked after my kids too :weep:[/QUOTE]

Every parents nightmare, Slipstream. Glad you and yours are ok

[sels1]

Repeat offending, yes (if you got the right person). Innocent people wrongly executed, yes. Disincentive to others contemplating similar crimes, no.

We live in a (so-called) civilised society, where democracy and the rule of law apply (mostly). While offended at barbarous crimes wrought inhumanely against the innocent and helpless, I find the thought of capital punishment and revenge killing even more offensive. I condemn all thoughts of vigilante justice or "mob" rule.

Well put Hitcher, I'm with you on that one.

[Storm]

By the way JR, my most basic job defintion is that I kill people on your behalf, so maybe I should quit with the "wet" bit and be more the hillbilly hick that I was raised to be.

So there :eyepoke:

[avgas]

HOw come these low lifes get theyre life paid for and i have to work every step of the way. Fuck em all - buch of low life fuckers :finger:
The country really pisses me off sometimes. If i stay here, ill probably loose it and kill all the bloody assholes out there, so all the decent folk can have a nice life.
People who take theyre kids lives are just fuckn assholes (but euthinasia is a different story). They have no spine and cant kill themselves. Why bother having a kid, fucken shoot yourself now.
And dont get me started on P. :angry2:
The system is fucked, the cops have to collect cash. Psyco bastards can roam the streets and get paid to do it. Students are assessed by the parents income - even if they havent seen them for 6 months. You get taxed more for working harder.
In the end only the drop kicks of society will be left here :puke:

[Ghost Lemur]

...since none of you would find yourselves capable of disagreeing with it...

Pffft, that sounds like a challenge to me.

[Velox]

Woah - I was thinking you meant the R6 guy too. Wasn't he meant to be heading back to OZ earlier this month? - I saw him ride past 2 days ago.

[riffer]

No no no...that was Jase, he's cool...it was his stuff that was nicked....he wanted to hit the guy for stealing his stereo...hearing what he did to the baby, now he wants to lynch the guy.

I repeat, the guy on the R6 is not the f**kwit. The f**kwit is in a holding cell and has been for a while.


Argh. My bad. Sorry Lena. And especially sorry Jase. :shutup:

Check out this scientific article (http://www.sciencentral.com/articles/view.php3?type=article&article_id=218392428) for a scientific opinion on the damage done to brains by constant P use.

However, I would never choose to offer this as an excuse. Its just as bad as when people were blaming dope for making them commit burglaries and suchlike.

At the end of the day this oxygen stealer made a number of bad choices. And a poor innocent suffered and died.

I worry its another nail in the coffin of responsible father who want to have a part to play in their estranged childrens lives. :disapint:

Bring back the stocks...

[750Y]

DO NOT LEAVE YOUR KIDS WITH ANYONE YOU DON'T KNOW AND KEEP AN EYE OUT WITH PEOPLE YOU DO KNOW. I found a relative who I hardly know(but who supposedly LOVES kids) holding my 4 yr old daughters hand & taking her off for a walk around the corner at a family gathering, I am very vigilant about this stuff. I'm sure it was totally innocent but I was all over that situation. Not meaning to lecture, just a reminder. WATCH YOUR KIDS.

[riffer]

DO NOT LEAVE YOUR KIDS WITH ANYONE YOU DON'T KNOW AND KEEP AN EYE OUT WITH PEOPLE YOU DO KNOW. I found a relative who I hardly know(but who supposedly LOVES kids) holding my 4 yr old daughters hand & taking her off for a walk around the corner at a family gathering, I am very vigilant about this stuff. I'm sure it was totally innocent but I was all over that situation. Not meaning to lecture, just a reminder. WATCH YOUR KIDS.

The likelihood is SO much greater that your children will be harmed by a relative or member of family, than a stranger.

Check out the figures if you don't believe me. See who's really hurting the kids.

[toads]

.. the guy I shared my house wall with 2 months ago.

:brick:

Really cool guy moves in, helps out with the gardening, has a daughter that mine can play with every 2nd weekend, has funny stories about painting jobs.

Then guy does a runner one day cos we found out he robbed next door. He takes some of my friends stuff and bolts without paying rent.

So fine, I find out he's a con artist/thief...bugger.

Then I get a call from a cop asking questions on what kinda guy he was.
:spudwhat:
I'm told he's being charged for murder.
:shit:
Next day in the paper, his name was on page 3 saying that he's on trial for murder of his 9mth old step daughter :gob:

Today I find out how....
I will not go through all details I was told
:sick: :puke:
but let me tell you this...
Throwing a baby on its head onto the floor is NOT a good way to make it go to sleep! :angry2: :mad: :angry:

He had looked after my kids too :weep:

Holy crap, and I thought I'd had a stressful week, I'm very glad the only casulties were a few stolen items, it could have been way worse, but I wonder how this guy ever had access to his daughter on every second weekend, surely he couldn't have had legal access when he's wanted for murder!!

[toads]

HOw come these low lifes get theyre life paid for and i have to work every step of the way. Fuck em all - buch of low life fuckers :finger:
The country really pisses me off sometimes. If i stay here, ill probably loose it and kill all the bloody assholes out there, so all the decent folk can have a nice life.
People who take theyre kids lives are just fuckn assholes (but euthinasia is a different story). They have no spine and cant kill themselves. Why bother having a kid, fucken shoot yourself now.
And dont get me started on P. :angry2:
The system is fucked, the cops have to collect cash. Psyco bastards can roam the streets and get paid to do it. Students are assessed by the parents income - even if they havent seen them for 6 months. You get taxed more for working harder.
In the end only the drop kicks of society will be left here :puke:

yep it would appear to be so

[Deano]

Check out this scientific article (http://www.sciencentral.com/articles/view.php3?type=article&article_id=218392428) for a scientific opinion on the damage done to brains by constant P use.

However, I would never choose to offer this as an excuse. Its just as bad as when people were blaming dope for making them commit burglaries and suchlike.


Hear hear !!! - Mr Spudchucka, you could be forgiven for your gross generalisations when you only get to see the scum doing crimes, many of whom are incidentally, also on P. Hence its obviously all the drugs fault.

Scum are scum to begin with (or mentally ill). The drug just exacerbates it.

I note the article above talks about dependence on the drug, as in abuse of it causing problems, not the occasional recreational use.

Meanwhile pissheads everywhere continue to beat their women and kids.

Instant asshole, just add alcohol.

Back to the topic, Slip - so good that you and the girls didn't have any bad encounters with this person.

[jrandom]

By the way JR, my most basic job defintion is that I kill people on your behalf, so maybe I should quit with the "wet" bit and be more the hillbilly hick that I was raised to be.

So there :eyepoke:

Sorry dude, I needed a fall guy for the troll.

Hey, hillbilly or no hillbilly, you've *got* to be better than that Marine in the Herald today who asked the doctors to cut his finger off rather than damage his wedding ring.

[Cue 'Deliverance' theme...]

[James Deuce]

He shouldn't have been wearing a ring in the field.

Wedding rings are lethal in any mechanical/industrial environment. His Gunny should have been cutting his finger off and then making him eat the ring.

[jrandom]

His Gunny should have been cutting his finger off and then making him eat the ring.

His gunny was probably busy off in the HMMWV putting her makeup on at the time.

[Yokai]

you've *got* to be better than that Marine in the Herald today who asked the doctors to cut his finger off rather than damage his wedding ring.
My fave part about that is that the doctors lost the ring anyway!!! HAHAHAHAHA!
:killingme

I mean - Ok - look - you are going to lose a little bit of your finger, but not all of it and your wedding ring, or ALL your finger AND your wedding ring ... I pick .... Ummmmmm.....

Oh yeah - not married, BUT I pick option 1 - lose the ring, keep most of my finger.

I just love that they lost the ring as well ... :killingme

[Hitcher]

I just love that they lost the ring as well...
Schadenfreude.

[jrandom]

Schadenfreude.

... as my Yiddish grandmother always said when we visited, "Eat the Schadenfreude with your sausages, or there'll be no pudding!"

[Yokai]

Schadenfreude.
And her cousin Sigmund? heh ... yup. I suffer from being human - sorry :-)

Allegedly (according to the article) his wife was "mad at him at first" ... :spudwhat: I imagine the conversation something like:

"Hey honey - I got some good news and some bad..."
"What's the good news?"
"I didn't lose my hand"
"OMG - honey what happened"
"Oh I crushed my left ring finger ... But the docs said it was either the finger or my wedding band"
"DEAR GOD! ARE YOU OK????"
"yeah - I saved the wedding band"
YOU MAD M****F****! Whatabout your hand you worthless piece of trash - here I am worrying sick about you and all you can worry about is a 14.99 piece of plastic that we bought at K-Mart - you stupid F*** no wonder you joined the Corps you complete waste... You are such an A*Hole! WTF do you think you are doing - and you want your dinner now too, I guess..."
"HEY! I lost a finger here!"
"Well - you never lift one around here when you are home so I guess you'll be using that as an excuse now for the rest of your life"
"I was being romantic you dumb Byatch - thank F*** the doctors lost the worthless piece of crap you stupid BITCH! I can't stand you - I'm going to the PX - F***You...."
"Awwww.... honey - I was only kidding - come upstairs and have a blowjob"

Pass me the TUI's

[750Y]

"Awwww.... honey - I was only kidding - come upstairs and have a blowjob"

that's up there with "getcha pants off!"
lmao

[Skunk]

"Hello everybody, I'm Dr Nick Riviera. We have a special on ring removal today. Only $5.99"
:killingme

[rodgerd]

Proportionally the level of offending probably hasn't changed.
Plummeted. Seriously, crime rates have been on a gradual decline over the decades. This is somethat that puts the shits up the Brian Tamakis of this world, of course, because the "good ol' days" of women barefoot and pregnant, rugby, racing, beer, and beating up gays were objectively much worse than what we have now...


Moral and ethical standards are of ZERO concern to anyone in an editorial role
People eat up fear driven reporting and programming. It's not just news - Cops, chase series, CSI, Law and Order, Crime and Punishment...

And what Hitcher said on hanging.

[Coldkiwi]

Thats a scary story Slip. So glad that it wasn't any worse for your family.

I'll assume rogerd is just having a troll given that he clearly has done no research whatsoever into what Brian Tamaki's life ambitions are (take the hint, do some!) so I won't bother responding about how much of a time waste his comments are.

[jrandom]

assume rogerd is just having a troll given that he clearly has done no research whatsoever into what Brian Tamaki's life ambitions are (take the hint, do some!)

Well, he makes it blindingly obvious that whatever they are, they're not 'following Jesus' example as a teacher'.

A $35,000 custom Harley as an appearance fee, indeed. Go Brian.

"He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy..."

[Madmax]

I have lived with some pretty f**ked up people
one got so Amped up on "P" he thought
the Cat had stolen his drug stash?
he went to smash it against the wall,
managed to catch the the cat, then this crazy fuck
takes a dive out the window?
(unfortunatly he survived)
He later discoverd smack,
luckly this finished him off
he left behind
3 kids
1 other OD
ETC
(one kid addicted from the womb)
dont get me started on some of the other stuff i have seen!
Its just good the loser is gone from your life i guess :mellow:

[ajturbo]

Well, he makes it blindingly obvious that whatever they are, they're not 'following Jesus' example as a teacher'.

A $35,000 custom Harley as an appearance fee, indeed. Go Brian.

"He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy..."

OK now tell me
what would you do if some offered you a 35k thankyou for somthing you did?

the people in ? must have know that he likes shitters
even jesus was given a mule? (donkey?)
and what did the 3 wise men give him?????
dipers??
no they gave him money and stuff!

so what is the differance???

[Sniper]

I feel sick. Thats a horrible feeling man

[jrandom]

so what is the differance???

There *is* one, but you'll have to go resurrect the Scottish thread if you want to hear about it, I think :p