Inline 6?

[smoky]

Honda CBX 1983 - Anyone had one of these – wonder what they corner like? Bet they can get up and boogie

they want $8,500 for such an old bike - must be a rare bike.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=148012821

[Katman]

As long as it has everything to put it back to original, $8500 is an absolute bargain.

[scracha]

As long as it has everything to put it back to original, $8500 is an absolute bargain.


Bwhahahahahahahahahahha. You kiwi's are bonkers. There's shitloads of these dinosaurs in Europe. They sound amazing though. The CBX750 is a better bike tho'

When I were but a nipper I recall a certain Gary Rothwell stunting on one of them monsters..... Jeans, trainers and a CBX1000. Makes the current generation of stunters look like bufties.

[scracha]

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If the sound doesn't give you a semi then you must be female

[T.W.R]

That chopped CBX has been on TM since last year.

There have been tidy ones come & go within the same time period.
Just recently (last few wks) there's been a real tidy 78 model advertised for $15k.

The prolink models handle better and apart from the suspension have a few improvements over the originals.
Being an 83 model it should have a fairing ( FII Bol'dor style)

1st real superbikes technology-wise & first bikes to crack 100hp (105 think the figure was)
Power is velvet smooth :drool:
Rode one once with a 6-1 exhaust and the sound was sublime (probably didn't do the performance any favours)
Tuning is a bitch as they have 6 28mm carbs to deal with. The Z1300 Kawasaki was easier to deal with as it had 3 carbs & dual throat manifolds

[hang0ver]

Part of the 8500 will be paying for those sweeeet flames on the tank...

[scracha]

Just recently (last few wks) there's been a real tidy 78 model advertised for $15k.


15 grand...for a CBX? FFS. There's too much of one thing in this country and it's either stupid people or money.

[T.W.R]

15 grand...for a CBX? FFS. There's too much of one thing in this country and it's either stupid people or money.

:slap: Depends on whether you've got an appreciation & understanding of REAL classics or a dedicated follower of the latest fashions :wait:

CBX Hondas are way up high on the stage of Classic Jappers to buy :msn-wink:
Their technology was worlds apart from anything else when they were released, a slap in the face of all the other manufacturers when the 1st Japanese power race happened

[Katman]

a slap in the face of all the other manufacturers when the 1st Japanese power race happened

Then along came the Katana.:msn-wink:

[Bonez]

Then along came the Katana.:msn-wink:Nah, standard GSX11s got there before containers. Handled better than the CBXs by a long shot.

[TLMAN]

WOW - that guy doesnt care too much for oncoming traffic....

[MIXONE]

I had a 78 CBX and with the stock exhaust it was like riding a jet turbine.I fitted a 6into1 and the sound was amazing.Thanks scracha cause that's as close to the "sweet music" as I've heard in years.Man that brings back some memories.
(Carefully removes rose tinted glasses)
It went fine with 105bhp however was undersuspended at both ends and consequently handled like a jelly at anything past 140kph.Underbraked as well.Servicing was a nightmare and cost a bomb.Lucky to get 3k to a back tyre.The list goes on.I broke a cam chain on mine and it turned 22 valves to spaghetti(ouch)After rebuilding it a sold it to a dork who killed it.Threw a rod on Puke back straight at 240kph in 4th gear.He wanted to see how fast it was in 4th.Never forgave him.

[Bonez]

Could never really understand why Honda went the two Hy-Vo cam chain route when a single chain was simpler.

Mind you there were some weird and wonderfull designs, for the time, being put on the market.

[T.W.R]

Then along came the Katana.:msn-wink:

Kats were the first time the Japs had gone outside their design studios for ideas and it worked though Hans Muth & Target Design sort of muffed up as they used the same parameters for the BMW R65LS (actually had that done before the Kat, and BMW got accused of copying). The Kat was just a total design advance not so much a technical advance.
Kat motors were just a slight refinement of the GSX1100 which basically was just a GS1000 motor with TSCC heads

[Katman]

Kat motors were just a slight refinement of the GSX1100

The Wire Wheel, at 120hp, was the benchmark at the time.

[T.W.R]

The Wire Wheel, at 120hp, was the benchmark at the time.

WHY???? the Z1300 was putting out 120hp a couple of years prior to that. And the CB1100R was producing the same if not more and it shafted the Kats on the track

[Bonez]

The Wire Wheel, at 120hp, was the benchmark at the time.Wasn't that just different cam lobes to stock? First to have some sort of anti-drive too IIRC or did the CB1100Rs have TRAC then? Suzuki motors were certainly a damn sight more bullet proof thats for sure.

Sorry a bit more to it-wire wheels to allow better choice of tires,slide carbs,hotter cams,braided brake lines,different front calipers and different exhaust internals(larger)

[Katman]

and it shafted the Kats on the track

Not the WW it didn't. And the Z1300 might have produced around 120 but was, in reality, not much more than a whale.

[vagrant]

WOW - that guy doesnt care too much for oncoming traffic....

Open day at the IOM. The road/race track becomes a big one way system.

[T.W.R]

Not the WW it didn't. And the Z1300 might have produced around 120 but was, in reality, not much more than a whale.

:lol:we all know your bias to NZ's special treat by Suzuki for the off the shop floor WW Kats But Wayne Gardener & Rob Phillis would beg to differ. A Z13 is way more comfy to load-up and consume a shitload of kms than a Katana :bleh:

[Katman]

And furthermore, the 1982 Castrol 6 Hour was won by a 750 Katana.

[Bonez]

And furthermore, the 1982 Castrol 6 Hour was won by a 750 Katana.The Assie results are quite interesting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castrol_6_Hour

[Katman]

The Assue results are quite interesting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castrol_6_Hour

Yes, that's interesting, but then, they didn't have the E27 spec WW over there.

[T.W.R]

And furthermore, the 1982 Castrol 6 Hour was won by a 750 Katana.

:lol: the 750 isn't a GSX1100SZX you should know that :slap:

[Katman]

:lol: the 750 isn't a GSX1100SZX you should know that :slap:

Gosh, how did I ever miss that?:rolleyes:

[Bonez]

:lol: the 750 isn't a GSX1100SZX you should know that :slap:Must have been faster aye?

Didn't that max cc rating get capped at 1000cc around 83?

[Katman]

Must have been faster aye?

No, actually fuel consumption was the reasoning behind the decision for the Hiscock brothers to run the 750.

[T.W.R]

Must have been faster aye?

Didn't that max cc rating get capped at 1000cc around 83?

Think the 1000cc cap was already in place in certain countries, that's why Suzuki released the 1000cc Katana (with the 32mm slide carbs instead of 34mm CVs) to make it eligible to compete in the AMA superbike series in the states

[Bonez]

No, actually fuel consumption was the reasoning behind the decision for the Hiscock brothers to run the 750.My aplologies, I forgot the :msn-wink: This helped me decide to buy my old 750EZ over the 1100 at time btw.

[Katman]

My aplologies, I forgot the :msn-wink:

Never, ever forget the :msn-wink:

:msn-wink:

[TLDV8]

Honda CBX 1983 - Anyone had one of these – wonder what they corner like? Bet they can get up and boogie

:niceone:

Most of the rumours were from folk who had never ridden or owned one (imho)
This 78 was caned for over seven years with no drama's.
I seem to remember they were the quickest bike on the planet at the time (low 11's),the GSX1100 was running around the same when it was released but nothing can compare to a Six. (imho)
I thought the handling was fine for a fairly heavy bike with 500cc running gear (XR250 forks seals fit the CBX fork !!)
A pity i still don't have the 79 ? Castrol six hour (Two Wheels) write up handy,the CBX's were expected to do well with the likes of Graham Crosby aboard...but alas ....

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[Edbear]

....Threw a rod on Puke back straight at 240kph in 4th gear.He wanted to see how fast it was in 4th.Never forgave him.

Happened more often than was publicised. They were known as the original rod-thrower. But then a lot of riders were as mad as him and overrevved them. They were a beautiful, if thirsty, motor lokking for a chassis that would do it justice. Never found one, unfortunately...


:..I thought the handling was fine for a fairly heavy bike with 500cc running gear (XR250 forks seals fit the CBX fork !!)>

Ummm! Yeah...:rolleyes:

[madbikeboy]

That chopped CBX has been on TM since last year.

There have been tidy ones come & go within the same time period.
Just recently (last few wks) there's been a real tidy 78 model advertised for $15k.

The prolink models handle better and apart from the suspension have a few improvements over the originals.
Being an 83 model it should have a fairing ( FII Bol'dor style)

1st real superbikes technology-wise & first bikes to crack 100hp (105 think the figure was)
Power is velvet smooth :drool:
Rode one once with a 6-1 exhaust and the sound was sublime (probably didn't do the performance any favours)
Tuning is a bitch as they have 6 28mm carbs to deal with. The Z1300 Kawasaki was easier to deal with as it had 3 carbs & dual throat manifolds


Yes, 105 hp was the figure. they're a neat bike. Mine's a 79, and it's candy apple red/maroon and black, same as the stock paint, just better. They're an awesome bike. It's wide compared to my gixerthou, and it's positively huge in comparison to a Ducati.
The sound is neat - mines got twin Kerkers, they're from the factory, and they were for race bikes of the period. I've also got CB1000 front end, with performance machine calipers - the CB front is much larger diameter and stiffer, nad more progressive. The swingarm and twin rear shocks from factory are awful, again, mine has Honda racing instead. One off Boyd Coddington wheels, a little wider (half inch) on the rear - this alone necessitated the swing arm mods.

Long crank shaft - some get problems when you work them hard. Alternators can be a problem. You need to be very good at balancing carbs - the cylinders tend to run at different temps from the middle ones.

Sound? Better than the video - nothing sounds like it. It's like an angry F1 car. Fast? Not compared to a Gixer or ZX10R - but, it's plenty fast enough really - makes you ponder how fast you actually need to ride...

If you buy one, send me photos - I'm thinking about putting together a CBX register - I know of at least 3 or 4 owners now.

[madbikeboy]

Then along came the Katana.:msn-wink:

Yeah, the Katana is an interesting bike - I've ridden both, and I like both, but I own a CBX. The CBX is an experience, it's hard to put into words.

[madbikeboy]

If anyone has spares for CBX's, please PM me.

[Rback]

Had a 79 back in the mid 80's. It was an awesome bike to ride and was always the talking subject. Handling wasn't the best but you learnt to ride with the hinge in the middle of the bike. Had a set of 6 into 2's on her and they sounded sweet when going full noise. Only every saw one throw a conrod cos the rider had just done a wheelie down the old Kyalami main straight. Lack of oil to number 6 main bearing.

[Bonez]

I believe the bore size is the same as the CB900s of the time. Stroke a lot smaller though which may have been another factor for breaking rods. Piston speeds must have been phenominal. The dohc 750s were considered on the brink at the time with a 62mm x 62mm bore and stroke.

[RiderInBlack]

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Open day at the IOM. The road/race track becomes a big one way system.

As it might be but it wasn't the day he had that vid done. Was on coming "cages" in the vid and it commented that "THIS AINT MAD SUNDAY" so would agree with TLMAN.

PS: Have seen a CBX in Showroom condition down in Chirstchurch. Next to no k's on it. The owner had bought 2 new. Only used one and put the other in storage:wacko:. Was one sweet looking bike:drool:

[T.W.R]

I'm thinking about putting together a CBX register - I know of at least 3 or 4 owners now.

Pretty sure there is already a CBX owners group in existence.



PS: Have seen a CBX in Showroom condition down in Chirstchurch. Next to no k's on it. The owner had bought 2 new. Only used one and put the other in storage:wacko:. Was one sweet looking bike:drool:[/COLOR][/FONT]

That bike was at Casbolts, was parked by one of the salesman's rooms at the top end of the shop, it was used in the review ride that Kiwirider did a while back
.
This one in the link is the meanest CBX you'll ever see :2thumbsup I'd love to have a go on it :cool:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=19012&highlight=Powerbroker

I saw another thread where someone mentioned a Moto Martin frame for Kwacka Zeds

The sexiest CBX I've seen was a Moto Martin framed one :drool:
there's been the odd one tricked up using CB1100R bodywork which looks bloody sweet :cool:

[CookMySock]

My uncle Peter in normanby (taranaki) had two of them. One fairly standard, and one he bought from some group who had raced it. The hot one had a six-into-one and a straight pipe on it - I swear you could hear him coming for a good ten minutes. We often saw it on the back at some horrendous fucking speeds.

Such fond childhood memories, lol.

edit: if there was one of these motors lying around, it would make a good starting point for a mean mean streetfighter project.

DB

[scracha]

:slap: Depends on whether you've got an appreciation & understanding of REAL classics or a dedicated follower of the latest fashions :wait:

CBX Hondas are way up high on the stage of Classic Jappers to buy :msn-wink:

Along with 92 Fireblades, proper Katana's, Z750 turbo's and early CB400's. However, 15 grand is just stupid. A $hite old bike is still a $hite old bike.

Mind you..mibby I should put the 748r in a vacuum bag and punt it in 20 years.

[T.W.R]

Along with 92 Fireblades, proper Katana's, Z750 turbo's and early CB400's. However, 15 grand is just stupid. A $hite old bike is still a $hite old bike.

Mind you..mibby I should put the 748r in a vacuum bag and punt it in 20 years.

:lol: You don't buy bikes like this to treat them like they're new, it's the appreciation & understanding of the bench mark they set in their day,you treat them with respect. A Classic bike is in a higher realm than the johnny come latelys that just follow.

[scracha]

:lol: You don't buy bikes like this to treat them like they're new, it's the appreciation & understanding of the bench mark they set in their day,you treat them with respect. A Classic bike is in a higher realm than the johnny come latelys that just follow.

Claptrap. Bikes are made to thrash the bejevus out of them. Nothing sadder than a bike that goes out for just a few sunny Sunday's in a given year....whatever its age.

[Deviant Esq]

I'd love to have a nice tidy original CBX 6. One day when I've got that kind of money lying around I might consider buying one as a project bike. :niceone:

[Edbear]

Yes, 105 hp was the figure. they're a neat bike. Mine's a 79, and it's candy apple red/maroon and black, same as the stock paint, just better...

Pics of yours?

[T.W.R]

Claptrap. Bikes are made to thrash the bejevus out of them.

:killingme oh well it's people with attitudes like yours that keep people like me in a job :laugh::bleh:

[dipshit]

I believe the bore size is the same as the CB900s of the time. Stroke a lot smaller though which may have been another factor for breaking rods. Piston speeds must have been phenominal. The dohc 750s were considered on the brink at the time with a 62mm x 62mm bore and stroke.

More cylinders usually means slower piston speeds for a given capacity and rpm, because more cylinders = smaller cylinders = shorter stroke = less distance for pistons to travel.

The CBX had a 53.4mm stroke. At 9500 rpm piston speed would be 16.91 meters per second. Fairly typical for its time.

This is why we don't have 1000cc V-twins that rev to 17,000 rpm like some il4s do.

[scracha]

:killingme oh well it's people with attitudes like yours that keep people like me in a job :laugh::bleh:

Yes..and :devil2:

[madbikeboy]

Pics of yours?

I'll post some pics when I get near it with a digital camera...

[idb]

Only the mountain part of the circuit is one way and that ain't it.

[98tls]

Only the mountain part of the circuit is one way and that ain't it. :jerry::spudwhat:

[.produKt]

:O omg :drool: :drool:

I've been nursing a semi all throughout the vid and for the better half of half an hour afterwards!. Amazing sound, second to none ;)

[scracha]

:O omg :drool: :drool:

I've been nursing a semi all throughout the vid and for the better half of half an hour afterwards!. Amazing sound, second to none ;)

Better than the sound of a CBR250 at 18,000 RPM?
Better than the sound of an early VFR750?
Better than the sound of a ZX-6R's induction roar?
Better than the sound of a 748r on the over-run?

Hmm...I see a poll happening.

[.produKt]

LOL!

Me too actually :)

And yea what you said got me thinking, My first bike, a Zxr250, almst couldn't be distinguished from a formula one car. 19,000 rpm's with a knackered rear can made for some interesting moments blasting thru the lyttleton tunnel :D

If a poll was put up, my results would be
CBR250? Never heard one
vfr750? It's a bike?
ZX-6R? Never ridden one.
748r? A ducati? I have never heard a ducati.... lol.

My love for bikes is pretty much just starting out :love:

Ooh, off topic, whoops...

[kevfromcoro]

HAVE ridden a couple of CBXs, great bikes..one had a 6 into one on it..the other had the original twin pipes..and was faster..handled ok...great sound..i know where there is one sitting in a farm in the north shore..been trying to score it for ages...but the owner is in UK....parts are expensive for these thing now..and hard to get.....

[vfxdog]

Better than the sound of a CBR250 at 18,000 RPM?
Better than the sound of an early VFR750?
Better than the sound of a ZX-6R's induction roar?
Better than the sound of a 748r on the over-run?

Hmm...I see a poll happening.

Yeah- much better than any of those, especially if fitted with a Winning or Bassani pipe. Closest thing to a flat 6 Porsche racer I've ever heard. I've got a low mileage '80 (with '79 cams and carbs). Lovely engine and a nice ride, although as previously mentioned the frame is weak, the suspension is pants, and the brakes seemed to have gone on vacation some time ago. One day when I get some time I'm going to buy one of Spondon's gorgeous CBX frames, a nice set of Ohlins, and build the bike it should have been. I won't be the first- there are some fantastic Spondon CBX's around; some either turbo or supercharged.

[RiderInBlack]

Better than the sound of an early VFR750?
Yep love the sound my old 1990 VFR made. But then each bike has a special sound of it's own IMHO. I love the sound of the Britten and have it as the start-up sound for my PC. Speed Medic's old TL with after market cans put out a sweet tune too. Yes the CBX sounds cool and definitely would make the top 20 sweet sounding bikes, but the best? That would come down to personal option.

[vfxdog]

Yep love the sound my old 1990 VFR made. But then each bike has a special sound of it's own IMHO. I love the sound of the Britten and have it as the start-up sound for my PC. Speed Medic's old TL with after market cans put out a sweet tune too. Yes the CBX sounds cool and definitely would make the top 20 sweet sounding bikes, but the best? That would come down to personal option.

Very true. Actually, the factory Triumph and BSA triples from the early 70's sound pretty sweet too, come to think of it.

[RiderInBlack]

Very true. Actually, the factory Triumph and BSA triples from the early 70's sound pretty sweet too, come to think of it.
But we should probable take this debate ta this new thread Best Sounding Motorcycle (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=71672) which relates more to this subject now:innocent:

[classic zed]

Not the WW it didn't. And the Z1300 might have produced around 120 but was, in reality, not much more than a whale.

I have never considered my bike a whale, its pretty nippy through the corners not up to a sports bike obviously, but great in a "ground scraping, frame flexing" sort of a way. You just have to know how to get the best out of a classic, or maybe you just have to be old:whistle:

The standard exhaust keeps it quiet but it still sounds wonderful, then new broject bike however with its 6 into 2 into 1 into turbo exhaust should be the absolute bollocks, no muffler to speak of really.

The Z1300's being water cooled were always a bit more stable temperature wise, I gather the CBX's had a tendency to heat up the centre cylinders.

:2thumbsup

Just my very much biased 2 cents

[Katman]

When I said "whale", I did actually mean a very sexy whale. :msn-wink:

[kevfromcoro]

When I said "whale", I did actually mean a very sexy whale. :msn-wink:

yeah they are a bit of a whale..the engine is the frame.
but i would still like to have one...6 pipes out the front..and the sound
classic bike

[Edbear]

I have never considered my bike a whale, its pretty nippy through the corners not up to a sports bike obviously, but great in a "ground scraping, frame flexing" sort of a way. You just have to know how to get the best out of a classic, or maybe you just have to be old:whistle:

The standard exhaust keeps it quiet but it still sounds wonderful, then new broject bike however with its 6 into 2 into 1 into turbo exhaust should be the absolute bollocks, no muffler to speak of really.

The Z1300's being water cooled were always a bit more stable temperature wise, I gather the CBX's had a tendency to heat up the centre cylinders.

:2thumbsup

Just my very much biased 2 cents

You, Tim...? Biased...?

[classic zed]

You, Tim...? Biased...?

what???

Its just so nice and comfy to ride, who wouldnt want one? :scooter:

[Edbear]

what???

Its just so nice and comfy to ride, who wouldnt want one? :scooter:

Mmmm! Sounds just like my Boulevard...:2thumbsup

[old git]

Do not buy it, it will be a mistake, and good money wasted.
A real piece of historic CRAP, that why they made so few.

My mate owned one for a saturday morning in early 80's, it was one of the first with no crash bars.
DROPPED AT 2MPH at the traffic lights when the foot went down and slipped on diesel.
Split the crankcase, knackered the alternator, put crank out of line and it was WRITTEN OFF by the insurance company!!, i kid you not.........
What a memory , i can still remember the look on his face.........thank christ he had fully comp insurance!!

[nadroj]

Came across a collection of classics in New Plymouth last week. It included a Waterbus, XJ650 Turbo, Honda Sabre & the 2 - 6's.

[avgas]

Wow those bikes from the 70/80's are really powerful......ha
120hp from the manufacturers calculations = 70hp on the dyno.
And yes they were boats.
Wirewheel was a nice bike, but at the pricetag of 2 ducati's you'd hope so.
z1100 was slower than both the z1 and z900 round a track no?
Admire the beauty, don't turn into pissing match. I like these bikes too much to see that