New Zealand - brown noser?

[Biff]

On behalf of all the poms in this forum and indeed all over the world I'd like to thank New Zealand and all you Kiwi's for sucking up to England so much, and at the same time ask why the hell do you all still have such a crap flag, and while I'm at it - why do all your law enforcement officers and military swear allegiance to the English Queen?

Come on New Zealand - you're an independant country. Change your freakin flag and constituiton to show the world that you're a unique, self supporting country that has far more to offer than simple brown nosing the former British empire.

Oh - sorry - my mistake - I thought you were all Ozzies, well you're flag looks the same anyway.

Stand back, duck and cover

:moon:

(I'm simply stimulating a debate - no harm was intended on writing the above. All complaints should be sent to my grandmother)

[duckman]

Please provide your Grandmothers email addy !! :calm:

[jrandom]

Ho hum.

You'll probably find that nobody really cares, one way or the other, and it's so much *effort* to do the republic thing.

The only reason the Australians are blithering on about doing it is because *their* heads are now so far up the *American's* rectums that they're sucking Yankee tonsil...

[Biff]

oh come on guys - ive just primed a hand grenade in this room and im waiting for it to blow!

surely you can do better than that.
you bloody kiwi's - too bloody nice for your own good :argh:

[duckman]

JR - You hold him down, I'll tweek his nipples .....

**mumble .. bloody cheeky imports ... Mumble .. mutter **

[crashe]

Nah just give this Pom a Prince Albert.... that will sort him out mighty quick... :moon:

Us Kiwi's are so nice and lovable.... thats why ya moved over here....

[jrandom]

JR - You hold him down, I'll tweek his nipples...

Well, you can just keep those dodgy Pom-lovin' activities to yourself, you deviated prevert.

[Slim]

too bloody nice for your own good
Why do you think so many British people immigrate down here??? ;) :bleh:

[duckman]

Well, you can just keep those dodgy Pom-lovin' activities to yourself, you deviated prevert.

Prevert ... a bloody Prevert am I ... Well I never.... of all the people ..... Thats the last time ...... blither blither blither ... :moon:

[Riff Raff]

JR - You hold him down, I'll tweek his nipples .....

**mumble .. bloody cheeky imports ... Mumble .. mutter **

These bastard pommies that come over here for the fantastic clean and green lifestyle that New Zealand offers, then start bitching and moaning five minutes after they get here about how much better things would be if we did this, that and the other. :eyepoke: Integrate yourself into the lifestyle, cultivate a kiwi accent, only admit to your ancestory when it suits, and then you can get away with it, just like me!!! :banana:

[Coldkiwi]

Brown nosing the poms??? yeah Right! More like too lazy to do anything about it :) So long as the white pansies of english rugby don't get confused with the All Blacks, our identity is quite intact!

J makes a good point about the aussies... if we DID go republic, we'd probably follow their example (apparently our leaders/authorities etc simply don't know how to do anything else) and end up being another little Pro-US whore.

[crashe]

On behalf of all the poms in this forum and indeed all over the world I'd like to thank New Zealand and all you Kiwi's for sucking up to England so much, and at the same time ask why the hell do you all still have such a crap flag,

All complaints should be sent to my grandmother)

So you have contacted all the POMS on this forum about this subject....?

Your poor Grandmother..... what did she do to end up with you...lol.
:blah: :moon:

[Biff]

ssshhhh - I'm actually Welsh. The only reason I moved here is that I heard the sheep were better looking!

[crashe]

ssshhhh - I'm actually Welsh. The only reason I moved here is that I heard the sheep were better looking!

Yee gawd's thats even worse....lol :moon: :moon: :moon:

[spudchucka]

I'm all for dumping the Monarchy and having a fancy new flag but the thought of Aunty Helen as our first "President" is very disturbing to me.

[James Deuce]

The NZ Army doesn't swear allegiance to the Crown as it doesn't have a Royal warrant.

[Storm]

When I was sworn in 4 1/2 years ago, there was a choice of swearing on the bible to obey HM and those under her, or an affirmation for the non religious saying much the same thing. Dunno if its changed since then

[Hitcher]

You can always tell when a plane-load of Poms has arrived. The whining continues after the engines have stopped.

Where do you hide your money when there are Poms around? Under the soap.

How do you get a Pom out of the bath? Turn the tap on.

And, on the subject of flags, why can't the Brits invent their own, rather than nicking the top lefthand corner of ours?? Bastards!

Etc.

[jimbo600]

I'm all for dumping the Monarchy and having a fancy new flag but the thought of Aunty Helen as our first "President" is very disturbing to me.

But Uncle Helen loves you guys. She can pass the buck on the speeding motorcade thing and blame VIP protection, and she's just hanging out for some moresome Rickards Truncheon action.

[Gixxer]

Ho hum.

You'll probably find that nobody really cares, one way or the other, and it's so much *effort* to do the republic thing.

The only reason the Australians are blithering on about doing it is because *their* heads are now so far up the *American's* rectums that they're sucking Yankee tonsil...

Right on the money jrandom, on both accounts. stopid yanks :whocares:

[Sniper]

On behalf of all the poms in this forum and indeed all over the world I'd like to thank New Zealand and all you Kiwi's for sucking up to England so much, and at the same time ask why the hell do you all still have such a crap flag, and while I'm at it - why do all your law enforcement officers and military swear allegiance to the English Queen?

Come on New Zealand - you're an independant country. Change your freakin flag and constituiton to show the world that you're a unique, self supporting country that has far more to offer than simple brown nosing the former British empire.

Oh - sorry - my mistake - I thought you were all Ozzies, well you're flag looks the same anyway.

Stand back, duck and cover

:moon:

(I'm simply stimulating a debate - no harm was intended on writing the above. All complaints should be sent to my grandmother)

Im South African, I just came here for rugby and pies

:killingme :killingme :killingme :buggerd: :not: :beer:

[Sniper]

The NZ Army doesn't swear allegiance to the Crown as it doesn't have a Royal warrant.

It did though, because I had to swear to protect my queen and country (I think) Im pretty sure I did. Never mind, they gave me a rifle, made me a marksman and taught me how to blow up stuff.

I hate my knee!!!. I can still protect the queen. :beer:

[rodgerd]

why do all your law enforcement officers and military swear allegiance to the English Queen?

Actually, they swear allegience to the Queen of New Zealand, who happens to be the Queen of England, too.

If we have to keep a monarchy, I reckon we should re-jig the succession and fight the Scots for Queen Anne.

[Biff]

Where do you hide your money when there are Poms around? Under the soap.

How do you get a Pom out of the bath? Turn the tap on.
.

Erm - Do I kinda get the feeling that there's a theme emergin here. Do Kiwi's believe that poms have an adversion to personal hygiene?

Hmm-news to me, we think the French smell (and for a good reason).
Then again - I'm Welsh :whocares:

New Zealand and Wales - Where men are men and the sheep are scared

[sAsLEX]

The NZ Army doesn't swear allegiance to the Crown as it doesn't have a Royal warrant.

individual units do though I think!


"Elizabeth the Second, by Grace of God Queen of New Zealand and Her Other Realms and Territories, Head of the commenwealth, Defender of the Faith-"

this is what it states on my commisioning parchment as the Navy is Royal. I like the defender of the faith bit.

[Blackbird]

That's why I never advertise that I'm an ex-Pom, albeit having lived longer here than in the UK :moon:

[Motu]

Back in the days of Pommie jokes I always liked - how do you get 20 Pom's into a Mini?...make one the foreman,the rest will crawl up his arse! In the 70s they came over on the $10 passage and took over our Unions,nearly bringing our country to it's knees with strikes.But they stopped wearing socks with their sandals and wearing ties in the workshop and turned into good kiwis who only winge some of the time.

[Skyryder]

Well I don't have a problem with the flag. An as for for our Constitution we have one. At least we still live under a Democracy where the majority rule. For those of you who do not know England got rid of an absolue monarchy when they chopped off Charlies head. All this thanks to Ollie Cromwell and his fighting Roundheads.

What the Republicans in this country do not tell you is the cost of a second House. Has any one thought why so many politicians want to go down this road. They want a seat in the senate, House of NZ, or whatever else some of these bozo's can think of.

Nothing in this country becomes law until sighned by the Govenor General. Compare the cost of this to a second house and you may want to think again.

Skyryder

[SPman]

why do all your law enforcement officers and military swear allegiance to the English Queen? I think the emphasis is on the word swear!

[laRIKin]

What is it with you imports and our flag.
You are the 3rd one this month to say change the flag.

If thats your biggest whinge, well.
Get over it, or find a country with a pretty little flag that you do like.
And hopfully you will like that country.

It's our flag, one one elses.
It may have some history on it, but thats all now days.
And that can never be changed, for the better or for the worst.

[Storm]

Go the Royal New Zealand Engineers- Ubique !!



The gunners are also a Royal unit, as well as others I cant recall right now

[Hitcher]

Go the Royal New Zealand Engineers- Ubique !!
The gunners are also a Royal unit, as well as others I cant recall right now
Durr, maybe all of the Army's corps start with or have the word "Royal" in their official title? Funny that...

[MikeL]

JR is right. The whole Republic/Queen thingy has become a big yawn. Considering all the other challenges this country faces, trivial constitutional niceties have become irrelevant. So has Britain, for that matter...

[James Deuce]

individual units do though I think!


"Elizabeth the Second, by Grace of God Queen of New Zealand and Her Other Realms and Territories, Head of the commenwealth, Defender of the Faith-"

this is what it states on my commisioning parchment as the Navy is Royal. I like the defender of the faith bit.

The Navy and Air Force have Royal warrants, hence RNZN, and RNZAF. The NZ Army is just that. NZ Army.

There used to be units, such as EME who had a unit warrant, but I don't believe that is the case anymore.

Officers have the option of swearing allegience to the Queen of New Zealand, however, ultimate responsibility for the decision making process of the NZ Army rests with the PM's office, not the Governor General.

When I worked for the Army as a civilian, this was drummed home fairly hard in the familiarisation course I had to do.

[Wellyman]

I'm all for dumping the Monarchy and having a fancy new flag but the thought of Aunty Helen as our first "President" is very disturbing to me.

Aunty Helen :moon:

[Indiana_Jones]

Well I love the British empire, but maybe I'm just an oldschool knob :D (I am a pom just in case you did'nt know)
But I would love New Zealand to become a republic for the sole reason for the treaty to go out the window, no crown, no treaty :D


-Indy

[MikeL]

You Helen-haters need to be more specific. What exactly gets up your collective nose?

Is it that she's more intelligent than you?

Or perhaps because she's a woman. But some of you must have raved over Ruth Richardson with her pathetic attempt to mould herself in the Thatcher image, not to mention her "mother of all budgets". And you would at least have tolerated Schoolmarm Shipley.

Or is it because she's had the balls to bring in controversial legislation that National wouldn't touch with a barge-pole because it might alienate a few voters?

Or just her consummate political skill (how many National party leaders will come and go while she still leads Labour??).

Is it personality or policies??

[jrandom]

I think people (and have you noticed it's almost ALWAYS men?) don't like Helen because she's, well, *Helen*. The ultimate threatening, intellectually dominant female that makes our testicles want to just keep on recedin'...

*I* think she's a great polly. I've never seen her do or say anything that significantly lowers her in my estimation. If she's a slimy dodgeball, she's a slimy dodgeball with the world's best PR department.

Of course, I'm not in any way implying any personal position in relation to Labour's policies by making that statement. But then, isn't it interesting that all the Helen-bashers never do, either?

[Indiana_Jones]

Well she's too lefty for me, but I'm just a right wing dick. The only thing I liked about her was locking Zowie up.

-Indy

[avgas]

You Helen-haters need to be more specific. What exactly gets up your collective nose?

Is it that she's more intelligent than you?

Or perhaps because she's a woman. But some of you must have raved over Ruth Richardson with her pathetic attempt to mould herself in the Thatcher image, not to mention her "mother of all budgets". And you would at least have tolerated Schoolmarm Shipley.

Or is it because she's had the balls to bring in controversial legislation that National wouldn't touch with a barge-pole because it might alienate a few voters?

Or just her consummate political skill (how many National party leaders will come and go while she still leads Labour??).

Is it personality or policies??

I sort of agree here, dont hate the player, hate the game
Bring in communism
No wait that didnt come out right.
But either way we have more political members then we have law abiding citizens. At least the queen acts like royalty.
Shame about princess di, she was a lovely lady.
Lets see our PM hug a lepur
Thats my random thoughts for the night

[James Deuce]

I sort of agree here, dont hate the player, hate the game
Bring in communism
No wait that didnt come out right.
But either way we have more political members then we have law abiding citizens. At least the queen acts like royalty.
Shame about princess di, she was a lovely lady.
Lets see our PM hug a lepur
Thats my random thoughts for the night

Clever people don't hug lepers.

[MikeL]

Clever people don't hug lepers.

It's a common fallacy that leprosy (or Hansen's disease, as we politically-correct, non-Bible-quoting progressives prefer to call it) is highly contagious.
In fact years of close contact are often required for the disease to be transmitted. I doubt that Lady Di was in any real danger. I'm sure that Helen would cheerfully hug a leper if she thought it expedient...

[James Deuce]

It's a common fallacy that leprosy (or Hansen's disease, as we politically-correct, non-Bible-quoting progressives prefer to call it) is highly contagious.
In fact years of close contact are often required for the disease to be transmitted. I doubt that Lady Di was in any real danger. I'm sure that Helen would cheerfully hug a leper if she thought it expedient...

Thanks for stomping on the point Mike. Remind me to return the favour. Irrespective of contagion, it's disquieting to give someone kiss and end up with 3 lips.

[TwoSeven]

yes, but you shouldnt victimise lepers by allowing politicians to hug them.. Thats considered a cruel and unusual punishment that is :)

[James Deuce]

yes, but you shouldnt victimise lepers by allowing politicians to hug them.. Thats considered a cruel and unusual punishment that is :)

Lol!! I've always thought that! I always imagine the hugee muttering, "Fuggoff, gerroutofit!", under their breath.

[Blakamin]

heheh I dont really give a toss... and if it was a little later in the day, i'd have a VB

Proud to be an Aussie!!!!
:finger:




The Navy and Air Force have Royal warrants, hence RNZN, and RNZAF. The NZ Army is just that. NZ Army.

There used to be units, such as EME who had a unit warrant, but I don't believe that is the case anymore.

Officers have the option of swearing allegience to the Queen of New Zealand, however, ultimate responsibility for the decision making process of the NZ Army rests with the PM's office, not the Governor General.

What about Queen Alexanders Mounted Rifles (tankies)??? are they still that??

[James Deuce]

heheh I dont really give a toss... and if it was a little later in the day, i'd have a VB

Proud to be an Aussie!!!!
:finger:




What about Queen Alexanders Mounted Rifles (tankies)??? are they still that??
Yeah but remember that Queen Alexander was the Queen during WW1. Being named after a Queen doesn't give you a Royal Warrant.

[Hitcher]

What about Queen Alexanders Mounted Rifles (tankies)??? are they still that??
That's Queen Alexandra's Waikato/Wellington/East Coast Regiment. Part of the Royal New Zealand Armoured Corps.

[spudchucka]

You Helen-haters need to be more specific. What exactly gets up your collective nose?
If she was made president, being our countries first and a woman president at that, then we would have her ugly mug on our currency for the next 200 years. No thank you!!

By the way, I don't hate her, I think she is quite a good leader but I didn't vote for her.

[MikeL]

I think she is quite a good leader but I didn't vote for her.

Presumably because of her ugly mug...?

[spudchucka]

Presumably because of her ugly mug...?
Presumption or assumption is the mother of all fuck ups........!

I'm not getting into politics, the religious thread was painful enough.

[Blakamin]

That's Queen Alexandra's Waikato/Wellington/East Coast Regiment. Part of the Royal New Zealand Armoured Corps.
The tankies at waiouru were QAMR... (bro-in-law was RSM)

[Yokai]

The NZ Army doesn't swear allegiance to the Crown as it doesn't have a Royal warrant.

All uniformed personnel in the Army have sworn a solemn oath of allegiance to the New Zealand Government and to the Crown.
http://www.army.mil.nz/default.asp?CHANNEL=PUBLICATIONS&PAGE=Strategic+Plan+-+Ethos


and Medals have royal warrants for service
http://www.nzdf.mil.nz/medals/category/e/e3.html


Also have a butchers at:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?ObjectID=3551309

[James Deuce]

All uniformed personnel in the Army have sworn a solemn oath of allegiance to the New Zealand Government and to the Crown.
http://www.army.mil.nz/default.asp?CHANNEL=PUBLICATIONS&PAGE=Strategic+Plan+-+Ethos


and Medals have royal warrants for service
http://www.nzdf.mil.nz/medals/category/e/e3.html


Also have a butchers at:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?ObjectID=3551309

No need to apologise, but I maintain that the NZ Army, unlike the ROYAL New Zealand Airforce, and Navy does not have the same charter or Crown responsibilities that the other branches do.

The Medals have Royal Warrants because NZ is still a realm of the Empire (anachronistic as that is) and the Crown (our ultimate legal power) issues medals, not the NZ GOvernment. You will note that civil orders in NZ no longer have a Crown allegiance.

I will stand by Mangell's maxim for the last article: "everything the media says is true". That looks like nothing other than a PR exercise.

[Yokai]

No need to apologise, but I maintain that the NZ Army, unlike the ROYAL New Zealand Airforce, and Navy does not have the same charter or Crown responsibilities that the other branches do.
I would dispute that as they do swear allegiance to the Crown (I had a good read of the NZ Army website). While orders are issued by the government, their responsibility is definitely to the Crown.

As for it not being the Royal Army of New Zealand - it isn't the Royal Army of England (or Britain or the British Isles or whatever either). (www.army.mod.uk et al.)

I don't believe that the naming convention has anything to do with anything really (otherwise we'd have to have things like the Royal Metropolitan Police Force of Greater Manchester - (Met Manchester used to have a royal appointee charter - dunno if it still does))

The reason that there is no royal seal on civil documents is that there was a strong separation of Monarchy and Parliament in 1215 (Magna Carta) and then with Olly Crommers as well.(Ollys NMA should be noted as doing the right thing - sort of)

[Biff]

I love stimulating an indepth and educated debate.
Join me next week when we discuss, "Are Kiwi car drivers the worst drivers in the developed world?" :yes:

[Sniper]

I love stimulating an indepth and educated debate.
Join me next week when we discuss, "Are Kiwi car drivers the worst drivers in the developed world?" :yes:

You know, Poms can be a real pain in the :moon: sometimes, hehehe, well done mate :innocent: :killingme

[Ghost Lemur]

I love stimulating an indepth and educated debate.
Join me next week when we discuss, "Are Kiwi car drivers the worst drivers in the developed world?" :yes:

There's no debate to be had there.

YES THEY ARE

[riffer]

I love stimulating an indepth and educated debate.
Join me next week when we discuss, "Are Kiwi car drivers the worst drivers in the developed world?" :yes:

That'll be a short discussion.

Unless you want evidence.

[Biff]

:Offtopic:
Celtic - where do you get those cool Avitars from?

[Biff]

Ok guys - obviously my thoughts on starting a thread on just how crap NZ car drivers are doesn't look like it will create the kind of energy and debate that I was looking for. So how about something a little less politically correct:

Asian drivers - a contradiction in terms?

Starting up now on a PC near you.

[Hitcher]

Asian drivers - a contradiction in terms?
Yawn! Been there, done that, bought the tee-shirt -- before the tangata whenua invoked copyright...

[James Deuce]

Ok guys - obviously my thoughts on starting a thread on just how crap NZ car drivers are doesn't look like it will create the kind of energy and debate that I was looking for. So how about something a little less politically correct:

Asian drivers - a contradiction in terms?

Starting up now on a PC near you.
For goodness sake.

Trolling 101:

Start a new thread.

Future tips will be charged at 41.95 per minute. Please send credit card details now.

[jimbo600]

Ok guys - obviously my thoughts on starting a thread on just how crap NZ car drivers are doesn't look like it will create the kind of energy and debate that I was looking for. So how about something a little less politically correct:

Asian drivers - a contradiction in terms?

Starting up now on a PC near you.

You should be paid for coming up with this stuff old chap.

Hello from yet another colonial oppressor.

[AMPS]

These bastard pommies that come over here for the fantastic clean and green lifestyle that New Zealand offers, then start bitching and moaning five minutes after they get here about how much better things would be if we did this, that and the other. :eyepoke: Integrate yourself into the lifestyle, cultivate a kiwi accent, only admit to your ancestory when it suits, and then you can get away with it, just like me!!! :banana:

Immigrants are told that we're a sub-tropical paradise, when they arrive they realise we're referring to the rainfall.
Lou

[Joni]

Immigrants are told that we're a sub-tropical paradise, when they arrive they realise we're referring to the rainfall.
Lou

And they *referring to myself* thinks.... when does summer come?, by now it should be 30 degrees back in SA and Im still damn cold! :crybaby:

[750Y]

choff choff ol' boy. snort

[moko]

ssshhhh - I'm actually Welsh. The only reason I moved here is that I heard the sheep were better looking!

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.So Biff,why do most Welsh people speak and write the language of the people that kicked their arses big-style when us true Poms came over from Germany to help ourselves?You`ve even got a half-caste Greek as your lord and master,yep Chaz the butler-shagger,Prince of Wales,which is a bit like being King Of Siberia,except at least there the mines are still open.Wales has it`s uses though,Korean firms go there for the cheap labour and it`s handy for stashing the Celts away from the civilised part of Britain.
Every Kiwi I`ve ever met has been proud of their country,and rightly so,not sure about the Welsh because even after hundreds of years of attempting to speak the conquerer`s language they still sound as if they`ve been sniffing glue to the cultured English ear.As for the native tongue,well usually between a Sheeps back legs but I digress.I`m sure you`ll agree though Biff it`s a great place to move 12000 miles to get away from.Plenty of Asian drivers in Wales,just take a look at the Management car-park at the Samsung factory(fine old Welsh name that is) and you`ll see their BMW`s lined up,cant miss it,right next to the bicycle shed the employees use.

[Jackrat]

Was gonn'a say something,but can't beat that :blink:

[2_SL0]

Go and find a queue to stand in somewhere.

[Biff]

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.So Biff,why do most Welsh people speak and write the language of the people that kicked their arses big-style when us true Poms came over from Germany to help ourselves?You`ve even got a half-caste Greek as your lord and master,yep Chaz the butler-shagger,Prince of Wales,which is a bit like being King Of Siberia,except at least there the mines are still open.Wales has it`s uses though,Korean firms go there for the cheap labour and it`s handy for stashing the Celts away from the civilised part of Britain.
Every Kiwi I`ve ever met has been proud of their country,and rightly so,not sure about the Welsh because even after hundreds of years of attempting to speak the conquerer`s language they still sound as if they`ve been sniffing glue to the cultured English ear.As for the native tongue,well usually between a Sheeps back legs but I digress.I`m sure you`ll agree though Biff it`s a great place to move 12000 miles to get away from.Plenty of Asian drivers in Wales,just take a look at the Management car-park at the Samsung factory(fine old Welsh name that is) and you`ll see their BMW`s lined up,cant miss it,right next to the bicycle shed the employees use.

Oh dear, yet another xenophobe who doesn't appear to have attended history or English language classes (your punctuation skills when writing “the conqueror’s language”, your own language, is appalling).

Here are some facts for you as you're obviously in need of some enlightenment.

Tests by anthropological experts in 1998 were conducted in order to find out where true Brits originated, where they were concentrated and to what extent their blood lines exist today. The result - the most pure blood lines of the true Brit are to be found in Wales and Scotland. Why? Because for hundreds of years the Welsh and the Scottish fought off invasion after invasion from the Romans, Saxons and the Normans while the English fought amongst themselves. Once England was conquered (again, 4 - times in 400 years) and only then did the whole of Wales fall over a period of 150 years while Scotland was betrayed by one of their own and in effect surrendered. Facts.

The English language is borne from a mixture of French, German, Italian, Greek and a myriad of other languages. Your national anthem was formerly that of Russia until they dropped it and a certain English catholic priest thought it quite catchy so brought it back to England. As for YOUR royalty, what a joke. The prince of Wales is English (his coat of arms German), his mothers family are German, his father is Greek.

Incidentally, it’s only been legal to speak Welsh in Wales for the past 150 years following the conquering of Wales by the Romans. Before this time any Welshman heard speaking Welsh would be imprisoned either in the UK of sent to Australia

Before you try and insult an entire nation with false facts, xenophobic comments and general BS, do some research first.

Achos dos dim un o ni yn hoffi rhywyn syth yn siarad trwy nei penol - That's Welsh by the way; One of the oldest and purest languages in the world. Spoken by varying degrees by over 60% of people under the ages of 30 (by 2000 census) in Wales. Certainly not a commonly used language granted because the wider world has decided that English is the language of choice for business, commerce and education. I speak four languages by the way. How many do you speak?

Inward investment in Wales is most welcome and I’m proud and grateful to say that one such Asian company put me through university. My comment was related to Asian drivers in New Zealand, a country with different (and to a degree more relaxed) laws with regards to allowing overseas drivers on their roads than the UK. Not that I was aware that there was a Samsung factory in Wales. Sony and Panasonic yes.

I’m proud to be Welsh and proud to be British. I’m also grateful that the Kiwi's are a little more accommodating and understanding about overseas cultures and people than some of my fellow Brit country folk.

Note: I'm not having a pop at the English, my entire family (mother & father included) and wife are English and I’m proud of it. But I do get bored with blinkered xenophobic Brits who have to lower to personal insults and historical inaccuracies in an attempt to insult an entire nation. Which in itself appears to be a favourite pastime, along with winging. :brick:

[James Deuce]

Far out - he bit - nice job Moko.

Trolling 102:

Expect to be trolled back!

I still don't have your CC biffbaff - you owe me $41.95.

[moko]

Tests by anthropological experts in 1998 were conducted in order to find out where true Brits originated, where they were concentrated and to what extent their blood lines exist today. The result - the most pure blood lines of the true Brit are to be found in Wales and Scotland. [=QUOTE]

Yep,same research showed the Celts to have originated in North Africa,that makes "Land Of My Fathers" Algeria or Tunisia at a guess

[QUOTE]The English language is borne from a mixture of French, German, Italian, Greek and a myriad of other languages. [QUOTE]

Little wonder the Taffs struggle then.


[QUOTE] The prince of Wales is English (his coat of arms German), his mothers family are German, his father is Greek.[QUOTE]

Which I believe was what I said,bit embarassing when you have to get a migrant to fill an important position like that,no local talent obviously

[QUOTE]Incidentally, it’s only been legal to speak Welsh in Wales for the past 150 years following the conquering of Wales by the Romans. Before this time any Welshman heard speaking Welsh would be imprisoned either in the UK of sent to Australia[QUOTE]

A charitable act to improve their living conditions

[QUOTE]Before you try and insult an entire nation with false facts, xenophobic comments and general BS, do some research first.[QUOTE]

Absolutely,couldn`t have put it better myself,I suggest you read your original post.

[QUOTE] Certainly not a commonly used language granted because the wider world has decided that English is the language of choice for business,[QUOTE]

Now why would the wider world do that?Maybe they dont use Welsh because "It`s not a commonly used language" perhaps?

[QUOTE] But I do get bored with blinkered xenophobic Brits who have to lower to personal insults and historical inaccuracies in an attempt to insult an entire nation. Which in itself appears to be a favourite pastime, along with winging. :brick:

Agree entirely,as I suspect suspect do the Kiwi guys you were trying to wind up.I`m not xenophobic,dont dis-like any race or citizens of any country as a whole.2 final points,think you should have read Jim2`s post before falling into your own trap, and secondly whinging(ironic that you got that word wrong) has an "H" in it,isn`t it always the way that you stuff up right after criticising someone else for the same thing,that`s life I guess.

[idb]

I'm pretty new to this forum business but I think that we've all learnt some valuable lessons here today.
It's all gone into my exercise book with a newly sharpened pencil.

[Daisy Duke]

Moko - you don't half talk some rubbish. Why is it that some of you poms have to resort to stereotyping people and derogatory comments when you talk about other nations?

I think you kinda missed the whole point of this thread. He was winding us up a bit in an attempt to make us think about our flag - my flag, not yours. A hot topic here in NZ at the moment. He did so by making tongue in cheek, but worthy comments and you have to resort to insulting an entire nation in a half hearted attempt at a response.



:argh:

[Daisy Duke]

Bah humbug

[Biff]

I bit. I admit it. Hook line and sinker.

As for Celts (of which I am not one - all my family are English - so my blood line is English) originating from North Africa I think you'll find the blood lines lay in southern Europe as opposed to northern Africa. This has been scientificaly proven through DNA testing. Bearing in mind that Africa and Europe were most likely connected together at one stage (in the days of Pangaea - the super continent). Although we all came from Africa originally so I guess we're all the same deep down. Not that there is anything wrong with originating from north Africa as you appear to infer.

As for the rest of your comments - blah,blah,blah, blah. Shant and won't bite again. I started this thread as nothing more than a bit of fun intended on stimulating some Kiwi's to talk about their flag, a very topical debate here at the moment. So please lay off the insulting remarks. I've received several PM's form people who have been offended by your comments and none of them are Welsh. Just people who fail to understand why there are some English people out there that appear to take perverse pleasure in insulting other nations.

To any Kiwi's I may have insulted (I'm not aware that I have) I unreservedly apologise. This was most definitely not my intention hence the tongue in cheek comments in an attempt to stimulate debate. This appears to have worked by the number of replies to the original thread and PM’s received. I've received no negative comments from any Kiwi's only an Englishman living in England (?).

Oh - and sincere apologies for dropping an H, back of the class for me. But then again - English is my second language. :done:

[moko]

With respect Daisy I merely replied to his original post in the same vein.I used to use a mainly Welsh forum and such banter is very much the British sense of humour,basically you give as good as you get and no offence is meant.I`d say he was just playing for a reaction,why else give everyone the impression that he was English in his first post?No-one bit,because they`ve heard it all before probably, so he tries again for a reaction with the Kiwi drivers comment.Nothing again so it`s Asian drivers where he actually says that he`s trying to stoke up some non-pc argument.Well that`s exactly what he got so why the tantrum?If he`d just stuck at the original point of his thread then just maybe I`d agree with what you`d said about his motives.As it is,nothing personal but if you cant handle it then dont give it out.

[Biff]

I can take it Moko don't worry, and I enjoy it. I'm surprised it took so long to come actually. I'm just a bit dissapointed that it had to be from an Englishman having a dig at the Welsh.

As for pretending to be English, erm, where? The term pom, to the best of my knowledge, refers to all Brits so I'm led to believe. Having been born in Wales to English parents. I lived in Englad for 31 years (I'm 34), so I think I qualify to call myself English if I so desired anyway, at least if you use the residency rules of the IRB.

:calm: :whistle:

[Daisy Duke]

I think he made it more than obvious that he was looking for a reaction, hence his repeated attempts at stirring us up.


As it is,nothing personal but if you cant handle it then dont give it out.

Can't handle what exactly? Me? I'm fine thanks. If you're referring to Biff then I think you'll find you're doing exactly what he wants, biting. He was obviously looking for a reaction hence his repeated attempts at stirring us up. But why are you so wound up you're not even a Kiwi?

I just get the impression that you're another Englishman that likes having a go at other countries for the sake of it. I spent a year in the UK (England, Wales and Scotland) and was always amazed by the negative attitudes the English had of the Welsh, Scottish and Irish (not forgetting the French, Ozzies, Americans etc etc etc). I never heard a single negative comment coming from a Welshman aimed at the English unless provoked, where as the English peoples’ comments were pre-emptive. But I appreciate that you may think it's normal in forums in the UK. But we're the other side of the world. So there's no need to carry those negative views here. Play nice please.

[James Deuce]

To any Kiwi's I may have insulted (I'm not aware that I have) I unreservedly apologise. This was most definitely not my intention hence the tongue in cheek comments in an attempt to stimulate debate. This appears to have worked by the number of replies to the original thread and PM’s received. I've received no negative comments from any Kiwi's only an Englishman living in England (?).



Not even one I'd say.

Mine were tongue in cheek too, though I don't do the smiley thing to point it out.

Sorry if I offended thee.

[Biff]

Not even one I'd say.

Mine were tongue in cheek too, though I don't do the smiley thing to point it out.

Sorry if I offended thee.

Nope - no offence taken here Jim.
By the way - do you accept EFTPOS?

[Yokai]

Achos dos dim un o ni yn hoffi rhywyn syth yn siarad trwy nei penol
Translation please?! Just so that I truly know that when I come round I'll at least get (pardon the upcoming bad spelling) Gely y Brekwas.


- That's Welsh by the way; One of the oldest and purest languages in the world.

Or not. I'm sure that the Picards, the Bretons and the Basques and the Cornish would have problems with that. While it is certainly true that (modern)Welsh has not evolved _significantly_ for at least 8 centuries, there are varying amounts of Euskadi and Gallic influences (hence the name in French "Pays de Galles" or Country of the Gauls, because the language and influences were shared by those from the Basque regions up through France and out through Brittany, into Cornwall and Wales.)


How many do you speak?
5 linguistically recognised languages
4 commonly recognised languages
somewhere in the region of 14 dialects.

But hey! Polyglotism tends to be a feature of peoples that are geographically isolated and they then become a minority in a larger linguistic region when they can break out of their isolation...

Returning to the linguistic point above, there are only 2 languages (correct me if I'm wrong MikeL - you've probably read it more recently) that are unrelated to any others... Finnish and Hungarian. Linguistically they are called the Finno-Ugric family of languages. A bit like saying "Well - Umm - we've got Forks, Knives, Spoons and Ummmm a category of cutlery called "Not Forks Knives or Spoons"... The members of the Finno Ugric langauges are also unrelated to one another! WEIRD!

Interestingly, the Icenae spoke a dialect of modern Welsh - and they are revered as the most British of Britons (what with Boadicea/Boudicea/Bodicca/Boadicca or however we are spelling HER name this year)....

As for a flag - I think that if NZ is to have a new flag (I'm in favour of it) it should be a Maori design with the Southern Cross on it. Either that or a portrait of Helen Clarke.

:doh:

[Daisy Duke]

Come on taff what did you say?

[Biff]

Translation please?! Just so that I truly know that when I come round I'll at least get (pardon the upcoming bad spelling)
Gely y Brekwas.

The translation is the same as my signature below - the top one. As for Gely Y Brekwas (??)- you're scaring me now - are you asking me for breakfast?!



Or not. I'm sure that the Picards, the Bretons and the Basques and the Cornish would have problems with that.


Put a Breton a Cornish man and a Welshman in the same room and you'll find that if we all spoke our own languages we would all be able to understand one another. In fact Cornwall was part of Wales until around the 15 century. I've actually had a half decent conversation with a Bretton in our repsective own languages when I toured Brittanny last year.



5 linguistically recognised languages
4 commonly recognised languages
somewhere in the region of 14 dialects.

Now you're just showing off!! Respect. You win.

:first:

[moko]

I can take it Moko don't worry, and I enjoy it. I'm surprised it took so long to come actually. I'm just a bit dissapointed that it had to be from an Englishman having a dig at the Welsh.

So could you explain to Daisy that it`s very much a British thing to rip the piss out of each other,including the Welsh doing it to the English.I used to use Ridersite,a BB now sadly defunct and that was full of anti-Welsh,anti-English banter,all of it taken as it was intended,even plenty of Banter between the Cardiff lot and Swansea residents.A couple of Yanks used it and thought world war 3 was going to break out despite being reassured that it was all in fun.It`s part of British culture,maybe visitors dont understand our sense of humour,we`re a nation of piss-takers on a local,national,international and personal basis.
Good example,Plymouth is just over the river from Cornwall and there`s the usual exchange of friendly abuse hurled on a regular basis,this is a Cornish bloke`s answer to the stick he`s had from Plymouth,a bit dated but,and please note Daisy,everyone in Plymouth that`s seen it that I know thinks it`s hilarious.
http://www.stevebond2k.eurobell.co.uk/janner.htm

[James Deuce]

Nope - no offence taken here Jim.
By the way - do you accept EFTPOS?

Only if you use Moko's bank card :)

[James Deuce]

http://www.stevebond2k.eurobell.co.uk/janner.htm

Marvelous.

With a bit of work, I could get that site re-written to do Upper Hutt Bogans.

[riffer]

Marvelous.

With a bit of work, I could get that site re-written to do Upper Hutt Bogans.

You're only saying that because you know I'm listening Jim... :msn-wink:

[Biff]

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http://www.stevebond2k.eurobell.co.uk/janner.htm

lol. Very good link.

Moko's right Daisy, the English v Welsh, English v Scottish, English v Irish etc etc banter is age old. I suppose it goes back to the days when Brits travelled the world murdering foreigners and invading their land in order to steal resources. I know we do that today but in those days it was legal.

Today Brits resort to football violence(or poofball as it's called in Wales), verbal abuse, Play Station's and kicking the crap out of one another for no apparent reason. Oh and joining the yanks whenever there's some guaranteed action in some far flung overseas country that's never directly posed the UK any threat. Until now.

It's a pom thing....

[Yokai]

The translation is the same as my signature below - the top one. As for Gely Y Brekwas (??)- you're scaring me now - are you asking me for breakfast?!

It's the only bit of Welsh that I know really - I thought it meant Bed and Breakfast (it was just if I found myself on one of those long haul bike rides that us lot seem to go on all the time I might get free food and a free bed!

Put a Breton a Cornish man and a Welshman in the same room and you'll find that if we all spoke our own languages we would all be able to understand one another. In fact Cornwall was part of Wales until around the 15 century. I've actually had a half decent conversation with a Bretton in our repsective own languages when I toured Brittanny last year.

Coolness! Man - that'd be something to hear..



Now you're just showing off!! Respect. You win.
:first:
Awwww thanks - but I cheated:

Linguistic Languages : English, French, German, Italian, American English
Commonly defined Languages : As above - without American
The dialects are all English dialects from Derbyshire Nottinghamshire and the Lancs/Yorks cross - 'cept for Somerset Bristol and Gloucester Bristol...

Heh - I think YOU win :first: and I get :second: - cos your languages are cooler!

[Biff]

It's the only bit of Welsh that I know really - I thought it meant Bed and Breakfast (it was just if I found myself on one of those long haul bike rides that us lot seem to go on all the time I might get free food and a free bed!

Ahhhh - Gwely a brecwast - sorry, yeah you're right that's bed n breakfast


Coolness! Man - that'd be something to hear..

Bring an umbrella - some of the noises we make for letters such as "ch", "ll" etc may result in a lot of spit flying around.

Try and pronounce this: :mega: Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysilio gogogoch.
It's the name of a village in north Wales. Wait a minute - let me stand back a bit first.

[Yokai]

Ahhhh - Gwely a brecwast - sorry, yeah you're right that's bed n breakfast

Thought my spelling was off...

Now - can I go down to the siop with my Aunty Myfanwy? (Actually I DO have an Aunty Myfanwy - or rather did...)



Try and pronounce this: :mega: Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysilio gogogoch.
It's the name of a village in north Wales. Wait a minute - let me stand back a bit first.

:wait:
That would be the village by the church near the river down the dell - etc, right? I got taught how to say that (being a pom) for a while by a taff, and he cheated and just did
Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogeryllantysiliogogogoch.

which misses out chwyndrobwll - I'm sure people would get confused without it there. BUT here goes:

<puts on fake accent>
Clan via pull gwinn gill*hh*goh geh ree *hh*wynn drobble Clan tie silly Oh Goggo' go*hh*h
</:sweat:>

How's that?

[Biff]

<puts on fake accent>
Clan via pull gwinn gill*hh*goh geh ree *hh*wynn drobble Clan tie silly Oh Goggo' go*hh*h
</:sweat:>

How's that?

Was that in a Pakistani accent? If so - excellent!!

[Ghost Lemur]

:killingme

We this thread has taken an interesting turn.

[Al]

My Welsh ancestry prompts these few expressions:
Cer i grafu
Ffwcia oma

Al :shit:

[Biff]

My Welsh ancestry prompts these few expressions:
Cer i grafu
Ffwcia oma

Al :shit:

Nol i ti a lan dy penol
:bleh: