New Triumph goodies

[Big Dave]

Was down at TNZ this morning and they were showing me the new range of arrow 'street legal' exhaust systems for speed triple right through to Thruxton and Scrambler.

Like the standard systems layout but much more compact. They look and sound great and are legal.

They also had a new speed triple 08 in the shed - Brembo brakes and some nice aesthetic touches added standard.

It should all be on the Triumph web site by now.

[MD]

I see Motorad Wgtn have the 08 Spreed triple in. Burnt orange colour is very good and the new tappered handlebar is a nice touch.

They also have the EFI America and Speedmaster. They did a good job of making the EFI versions look just the same as the carbie ones. Takes a keen eye to spot the difference. Waiting to see what your KR report has to say about the EFI versions.

You have to wonder though what damage the 'rumours' of the big twin will do to sales of new 865cc twins? I wouldn't mind an America as a 2nd bike again. But, if I had the spare cash, I wouldn't bother knowing that the real
Mccoy was coming out soon..well 2009 anyway.

I've never been a fan of the Arrow pipes Triumph supported as a replacement for the Speed triple and Street Triple. They need to bring out more of their own after market pipes. The Triumph sports pipe that came with my Daytona 675 is awesome. It actually fits the cavity like it belongs, whereas the Arrows look like a cheap fix - lets ram a round peg into a triangular hole and hope no one notices. Ugly is as ugly does.

While on the subject of Triumph parts, I wish they would bring out an alternative frontend to the bug eyed headlights. I suspect more than a few buyers have walked away because of the love em or hate em twin bug eyes. A simple to attach or pre-order 'off the shelf ' alternative set up would open more sales at bugger all cost. Just my opinion, but I find the bug eyes are the only styling part of the naked triples that doesn't gel with me. They look even worse on the smaller Street triple.

Lets continue talking Triumph..since I'm drinking .

I've clocked up 15,000kms on the 675 and finally got my fav. Conti Sports fitted front and rear...transformed brill handly to brill + !!!
I have discovered another well kept secret about the triples...they are *%#&ing fantastic on tyres. I haven't had such long mileage out of sports tyres in ages on a bike. I would like to think that I have thrashed the shit out of the Daytona but the tyre life begs to differ.
9000km from the first front including a track day!
I'm on the second rear and the got 7500 odd Ks on each (2 track days). Bugger me. I remember the CBR1000RR eating tyres faster than I could write out the bloody cheques. The F800S wasn't much better, must be a twin engine thing.
The 675 is proving to be the most economical bike I've owned in ages. Cheap services, $211 for the 10k service, beat that. It refuses to wear out tyres and it doesn't have a drinking problem. Which is more than most of us can say.
Sorry, wandering off topic...Fridat night.. brandy.. gulp gulp ...

And Big Dave...I'm still expecting you to spill the beans as soon as you know some definites about the new big twin.

Cheers gulp gulp
Mark

[KiwiRat]

Like this I assume?C'mon Dave, you know it aint real without photographic evidence...........







P/T

[Big Dave]

>>Waiting to see what your KR report has to say about the EFI versions.<<

Yeah - have a test unit now - just running it in. Very smooth - very easy to ride and on the eye.

>>And Big Dave...I'm still expecting you to spill the beans as soon as you know some definites about the new big twin.<<

Nothing mentioned so far. Stonewall in fact.

Cheers.

[spookytooth]

thats a nice looking Thruxton

[KiwiRat]

Some oufit in Europe did the conversion. Gets you thinking, "How can I replicate that setup without getting a second mortgage?"

[Bonez]

I've always thought there should be an all alloy wheel factory option for the twins. Pipe looks ok. What effect are the headers going to have on the oil cooling?

[KiwiRat]

I've always thought there should be an all alloy wheel factory option for the twins. Pipe looks ok. What effect are the headers going to have on the oil cooling?

None, as long as you don't intend sitting in traffic for 5 or 6 hours.:devil2:

The lubrication system is operated by a dual oil pump arrangement;the rear oil pump is the main lubrication pump and the front pump lubricates the input shaft/clutch assembly and circulates oil around the oil cooler.

The front pump collects oil from the sump via the pick-up strainer and feeds pressurised oi lalong an internal crankcase passage to the front of the barrels.
The oil is circulated around the passages on the outside of the cylinder bores then travels up the cylinder head stud bores to the cylinder head passages which are situated around the combustion chambers and exhaust ports. The oil cools the cylinder bores and head then exits the head through the drillings located directly above the exhaust ports.

From the cylinder head,the oil travels through the feed pipe to the top of the oil cooler.The oil then passes down through the oil cooler, where it is cooled by the passing airflow, and returns to the sump via the return pipe. As well as circulating oil around the oil cooler, the front pump also lubricates the transmission input shaft. The feed to the shaft is taken off the crankcase passage via the metal pipe on the base of the lower crankcase. The input shaft is both drilled through its entire length and cross-drilled. The drillings provide oil directly to the gears and bearings. Oil flowing through the centre of the shaft exits at the clutch end, providing oil to the clutch assembly.

Here endeth the lesson.:sunny:

[KiwiRat]

More to the point, how come that fat bitch Speedmaster gets a dual disc set up, and the Thruxton, which is the most performance oriented of the classic twins , has to make do with a single disc set up??

Sometimes life just aint fair I tell ya...................

[KiwiRat]

More to the point, how come that fat bitch Speedmaster gets a dual disc set up, and the Thruxton, which is the most performance oriented of the classic twins , has to make do with a single disc set up??:angry2:

Sometimes life just aint fair I tell ya...................

[Bonez]

None, as long as you don't intend sitting in traffic for 5 or 6 hours.:devil2:Poor Aucklanders. I was refering to the close proximity of the headers to the oil cooler btw. Hinkely designed the headers the way they did for a reason.

Oh and I'll have mine in black, no suger and to go thanks.

[Big Dave]

More to the point, how come that fat bitch Speedmaster gets a dual disc set up, and the Thruxton, which is the most performance oriented of the classic twins , has to make do with a single disc set up??:angry2:

Sometimes life just aint fair I tell ya...................

Really it doesn't need them - It stops great anyway.

[tri boy]

I've always thought there should be an all alloy wheel factory option for the twins. Pipe looks ok. What effect are the headers going to have on the oil cooling?

No problems Bonez. The Scrambler crosses it's left header in a similar fashion.
I havn't hooked a oil temp gauge up, but going by the state of the oil (at changes), alls good.

[Bonez]

Really it doesn't need them - It stops great anyway.The thruxton has a bigger dia front disk too compared to the bonnies doesn't it?

[Bonez]

No problems Bonez. The Scrambler crosses it's left header in a similar fashion.
I havn't hooked a oil temp gauge up, but going by the state of the oil (at changes), alls good.Good to hear. I guess this is what potential buyers need to know. Not that I'm looking :whistle:

[Bonez]

No problems Bonez. The Scrambler crosses it's left header in a similar fashion.
I havn't hooked a oil temp gauge up, but going by the state of the oil (at changes), alls good.Good to hear. I guess this is what potential buyers need to know. Not that I'm looking :whistle:

Apart from your good self are there any high km Hinckley twin owners out there?
By that I mean 50,000kms plus. Not the cafe set, real riders ;).

[tri boy]

I've read on Triumph web site of Thruxton's/Bonnies with 80000km on the clock.
Havn't heard of many engine faults. They sound like they are well "over engineered". Extra ponies forced into them( talking a 50% increase) finds the limits of the clutch springs real quick though.
I'll be pissed off if I don't get 100000km before doing valves/rings etc.
As you know, it comes down to sensible maintenance, and regular oil/filter changes.

[KiwiRat]

Good to hear. I guess this is what potential buyers need to know. Not that I'm looking :whistle:

Apart from your good self are there any high km Hinckley twin owners out there?
By that I mean 50,000kms plus. Not the cafe set, real riders ;).

68,500 km as of today. Ridden every day to work. Ridden every day off. Ridden hard. It aint the most powerful machine out there, but boy can it wash away the week's worries when you go for a quick "unwind".

[KiwiRat]

I've read on Triumph web site of Thruxton's/Bonnies with 80000km on the clock.
Havn't heard of many engine faults. They sound like they are well "over engineered". Extra ponies forced into them( talking a 50% increase) finds the limits of the clutch springs real quick though.
I'll be pissed off if I don't get 100000km before doing valves/rings etc.
As you know, it comes down to sensible maintenance, and regular oil/filter changes.

In my time with the T100, the only issues I have had are with broken spokes on the rear wheel, and a crankshaft position sensor which failed in my driveway. Not really an engine fault, more an ignition related problem.

Take it from me, the engines are over engineered.

I have Custom Chambers mufflers, removed the airbox, fitted pod filters, rejetted, and port matched the intake manifolds to the head. Not much really in the way of high performance I know, but the gain is quite noticeable.

The reliability of the engine has not suffered in any way. But as you say sensible maintenance and regular plug, oil and filter changes are important.

[KiwiRat]

Poor Aucklanders. I was refering to the close proximity of the headers to the oil cooler btw. Hinkely designed the headers the way they did for a reason.

Oh and I'll have mine in black, no suger and to go thanks.

Sorry mate, I was taking the piss. :weep:

I meant 5 hours stationary in traffic. i.e. not moving at all.

Gee it's hard to be a comedian on the 'net. :baby: Sigh......

[Bonez]

Cheers guys. Crisp ride back home from Havelock North on Gerble this morning. Note to self-must get heated hand grips. It's good to get real world experiences, hickups and all, on the various offerings in the twin range.

[El Dopa]

While on the subject of Triumph parts, I wish they would bring out an alternative frontend to the bug eyed headlights. I suspect more than a few buyers have walked away because of the love em or hate em twin bug eyes. A simple to attach or pre-order 'off the shelf ' alternative set up would open more sales at bugger all cost. Just my opinion, but I find the bug eyes are the only styling part of the naked triples that doesn't gel with me. They look even worse on the smaller Street triple.

One of the aftermarket companies- onyertriumph.com or british-customs.com (I think) do a single round replacement headlight that bolts up.

I have an idea for what I'm going to do on my Speed Triple, but I'll keep that under my hat until I know if it'll work or not.

Stylewise, I really didn't like the 3-1 arrows when it first came out, but it's definitely grown on me. There's plenty of other options shown on british-customs.com as well.

[El Dopa]

Like this I assume?C'mon Dave, you know it aint real without photographic evidence...........

Now that is very nice. Can you post up a few more details?

[pritch]

None, as long as you don't intend sitting in traffic for 5 or 6 hours.:devil2:

Be no good in Auckland then :whistle:

The BIKE staffer who had their long term Thruxton wrote that he had to slow down somewhat due to the limits imposed by the front brake.

None of which would bother me, because having actually paid for the bike myself I'd be riding differently to him :ride:

I've had the Triumph catalog by my chair for a few months now, thinking of trading the SJ50 :innocent:

[sarahtvet]

Good to hear. I guess this is what potential buyers need to know. Not that I'm looking :whistle:

Go on bonez ya know you want one really :2thumbsup: the perfect compliment to an old honda I can tell you:sunny:

[Owl]

While on the subject of Triumph parts, I wish they would bring out an alternative frontend to the bug eyed headlights. I suspect more than a few buyers have walked away because of the love em or hate em twin bug eyes. A simple to attach or pre-order 'off the shelf ' alternative set up would open more sales at bugger all cost. Just my opinion, but I find the bug eyes are the only styling part of the naked triples that doesn't gel with me. They look even worse on the smaller Street triple.

I think the headlights are part of the appeal for the Speed Triple with that "like it or lump it" attitude. Being ugly has contributed to its awesome success. For me, offering an ascetics option would sever that appeal and come across as a sell-out from Triumph to accommodate the pretty people. Hell if I'd wanted pretty, I probably would've bought a 675 Daytona.:whistle:

[Big Dave]

The BIKE staffer who had their long term Thruxton wrote that he had to slow down somewhat due to the limits imposed by the front brake.

Yeah, well, This KR contributor has done a lot of miles on three different Thruxtons.
The brakes are just fine.

[KiwiRat]

Sorry mate, I was taking the piss. :weep:

I meant 5 hours stationary in traffic. i.e. not moving at all.

Gee it's hard to be a comedian on the 'net. :baby: Sigh......


Yeah, well, This KR contributor has done a lot of miles on three different Thruxtons.
The brakes are just fine.

Yeah, I'm not dissing the Bonnie's brakes either Dave. An upgrade to better compound pads is all I have done, and they have never let me down in battle.

I as just wondering why the Speedy got double discs? They would suit the Thruxton's look is all I'm sayin'. Aesthetically speaking, know what I mean.

[Big Dave]

Yeah, I'm not dissing the Bonnie's brakes either Dave. An upgrade to better compound pads is all I have done, and they have never let me down in battle.

I as just wondering why the Speedy got double discs? They would suit the Thruxton's look is all I'm sayin'. Aesthetically speaking, know what I mean.

I do - the 'yeah well' was aimed at BIKE not y'all

[Finn]

Really it doesn't need them - It stops great anyway.

Not to mention stopping and parking illegally at a viaduct bar. :headbang:

I especially like the goggles mate. I needs me a pair.

[Big Dave]

Not to mention stopping and parking illegally at a viaduct bar. :headbang:

I especially like the goggles mate. I needs me a pair.

I didn't make quite as much racket doing it though. :niceone:

There are some exceptionally cool Davida Helmet and googles comboonations.

Motomail had a M*A*S*H graphics helmet that would be perfect on black beastie. Davida Aviator googles they are.

http://homepage.mac.com/david_cohen_design/.Pictures/misc2/thd.jpg

[tri boy]

A bit off topic I know, but Dave, can you give us an impression on the new injected Bonnies?
I read your short article in KR with the Triumph tech, and I'm itching to know your views on the fueling system.

[Big Dave]

A bit off topic I know, but Dave, can you give us an impression on the new injected Bonnies?
I read your short article in KR with the Triumph tech, and I'm itching to know your views on the fueling system.


It's not run in - so no real comment other than so far it is very smooth and it's the best handling of the light cruisers.
Even better than the Yamastar 1300 which I quite rated.

EFI seems good. I suspect they have learned what can happen to a good bike's reputation if they cock the mapping up already.