These should be compulsory

[disenfranchised]

http://www.bicygnals.co.nz/indicator-lights.html

A cyclist on the road needs to follow the road rules just like everyone else, and the bicycles count as vehicles, when it comes to a number of infractions and rules.

So we should make them all use decent indicators....and while we're at it, throw in mirrors too

[motorbyclist]

and what about some sort of cyclist licence to show that 13 - 50 yearold actually knows what a red light means? and a rego/wof?

nobody would bother cycling anymore

[Winter]

Crikey yeah mate! for $89NZD including delivery the govt / acc should be giving them away! What a great idea!

[Jantar]

No need for indicators on pushies. The old arm signals are still legal, and all turns must be indicated for at least 3 seconds prior to turning.

What is needed is for the police to start enforcing the laws already in place, just like they enforce the speeding laws.

[disenfranchised]

No need for indicators on pushies. The old arm signals are still legal, and all turns must be indicated for at least 3 seconds prior to turning.

What is needed is for the police to start enforcing the laws already in place, just like they enforce the speeding laws.

Well that's just it...they don't do the arm signals...but if they had to have light indicators fitted, they could probably remember to move their thumb before cornering.

But enforcing would be good...especially the red light running rules

[firefighter]

Cyclists really upset you that much?I think that would be rediculous......!!! wer'e supposed to be encouraging cyclsts stop trying to punish them for being green and getting exercise, I don't ride a bicycle but hell I don't mind if during their manually powered trip they break a couple of rules good on them.....we all bend the rules a little at times.....besides theyr'e only generally gonna hurt themselves (I said generally!!!!).....just my 2cents, and just for the record the way some people on here complain about cyclists I hear a lot of cagers saying similar stuff about us, we aren't angels and far more dangerous to others than them.

[Jantar]

... I don't ride a bicycle but hell I don't mind if during their manually powered trip they break a couple of rules good on them.........

Maybe if the cyclist in this thread http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=38425 had given a hand signal a serious accident may not have happened.

Most cyclists are good on the roads and keep a lookout for other traffic. Some just don't care.

[Forest]

You know how bikers lane split and then claim it as a privilege for riding a motorbike?

Cyclists feel the same way about traffic lights.

I'm cool with that.

[Waylander]

Well that's just it...they don't do the arm signals...but if they had to have light indicators fitted, they could probably remember to move their thumb before cornering.

But enforcing would be good...especially the red light running rules
People don't indicate in cars and you're expecting someone to use them on a bicycle?

[xwhatsit]

You know how bikers lane split and then claim it as a privilege for riding a motorbike?

Cyclists feel the same way about traffic lights.

I'm cool with that.

Exactly. We do plenty of grey or outright illegal things all the time as a matter of course; we get our little bonuses, cyclists can have theirs too. I'd dearly love to be able to skip through red lights when there's clear space on occasion too, but I don't get upset and jealously rage against cyclists because of it.

Most of the time cyclists cause no problems. On occasion you get complete numbskulls, like what was mentioned in the above thread, or the frequent clowns riding two or three across and holding up traffic. But for the most part, they're invisible and don't cause a hassle. Just like cagers hating bikes because we scared them splitting, or speed `dangerously', bikers seem to hate cyclists. It's just a big foodchain, the bigger fish feeding on the smaller one. Doesn't need to be like that.

You can shove your silly indicator get-ups up your arse. I don't ride a bicycle, but I'm fucked if I'd ever consider it if I had to strap that shit to it.

If hand signals are good enough for a Matchless G80, then they're good enough for four bits of alloy brazed together and pedals bashed on.

[motorbyclist]

+1

bling awarded

[awayatc]

http://www.bicygnals.co.nz/indicator-lights.html

A cyclist on the road needs to follow the road rules just like everyone else, and the bicycles count as vehicles, when it comes to a number of infractions and rules.

So we should make them all use decent indicators....and while we're at it, throw in mirrors too

Yeah, and make em sit a licence to!!!!
And pay registration!
Have a numberplate fitted (speed/red light cameras)
And a demerit point system !
And they need compulsary insurance! (coz the amount of damage you can cause with a 12kg bicycle at 22km p/h ...)
Oh and please some more rules, and regulations, and Signs...please please.....
Vote Helen!

:spanking:

[MisterD]

Point 1 - Those indicators are far too close together for their meaning to be understood from any distance, all you'll see is a flashing light and lots of bikes use them just for a basic being seen function.

Point 2 - do you have any idea of the penalties I'd cop from the cool police of I strapped those to my race bike? Not going to happen.

[The Pastor]

Point 1 - Those indicators are far too close together for their meaning to be understood from any distance, all you'll see is a flashing light and lots of bikes use them just for a basic being seen function.

Point 2 - do you have any idea of the penalties I'd cop from the cool police of I strapped those to my race bike? Not going to happen.
sorry i don't quite understand, you said cool and bicycle in the same sentance? I think you mean homosexual police not cool.

[safetyfirst]

http://www.bicygnals.co.nz/indicator-lights.html

A cyclist on the road needs to follow the road rules just like everyone else, and the bicycles count as vehicles, when it comes to a number of infractions and rules.

So we should make them all use decent indicators....and while we're at it, throw in mirrors too

I totally agree that this sort of thing should be used more often by cyclists. BUT....(and it's a big but) apparently there is some dumb clause in the land transport laws, copied in from the 1950s, which says that cyclists are not allowed to put indicators on their lights! http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/rules/vehicle-lighting-2004.html#6311

Which is just typical of our government, encouraging safety on the one hand, but on the other hand making it illegal to use something which could make such a difference!

[sosman]

what a stupid farken idea,I personally dont have a problem with bicyclist on
the on the road,just usless tossa's txting when driving

[disenfranchised]

Cyclists really upset you that much?I think that would be rediculous......!!! wer'e supposed to be encouraging cyclsts stop trying to punish them for being green and getting exercise, I don't ride a bicycle but hell I don't mind if during their manually powered trip they break a couple of rules good on them.....we all bend the rules a little at times.....besides theyr'e only generally gonna hurt themselves (I said generally!!!!).....just my 2cents, and just for the record the way some people on here complain about cyclists I hear a lot of cagers saying similar stuff about us, we aren't angels and far more dangerous to others than them.

Generally I agree that they don't cause a problem, and are out of the way enough to barely notice....but there's a few things they do that irk me.

Namely...

lane split at annoying slow speeds down long straight sections of arterial road without checking behind them, giving any kind of indication, etc... I reckon if they had mirrors, then they might realise more about what the traffic around them is doing, as well as realise if they're holiding up another road users.

move to the front of traffic at red lights, and go halfway out into the intersection. This still doesn't really give them enough of a headstart to get out of the way, unless they can go ona crossing signal.

having a queue of bikes split up the left of a combined left turn of straight ahead lane....when you're turning left, and all the bikes are going straight ahead...they just don't seem to pay attention to the fact that you're indicating and are at the front of the lane...hence have right of way.

not indicating at all...I can't think of the last time I saw a cyclist use a hand signal. generally they're concerned enough about keeping themselves safe that they don't get in your way...but there are a few nutters out there.

I didn't realise they devices weren't legal....I don't think they should be...they'd make indicating easier for the cyclists to do...which might make them more likely to actually follow the road rules.

[steved]

Point 1 - Those indicators are far too close together for their meaning to be understood from any distance, all you'll see is a flashing light and lots of bikes use them just for a basic being seen function.
There is a white light in the middle of the front indicator and a red light in the middle of the back indicator. This will tell others which side of the indicator is going, just like on motorbikes.

[MisterD]

There is a white light in the middle of the front indicator and a red light in the middle of the back indicator. This will tell others which side of the indicator is going, just like on motorbikes.

You don't understand much about what the human eye can resolve do you? There's a reason most jurisdictions specify that direction indicators must have a minimum separation...400mm in Aussie, I believe.

[007XX]

I think it makes a heck of a lot of sense...especially since more and more cyclists are being seen at night. The arms signals are not always that visible.

[firefighter]

maybe they should be required to wrap up in cotton wool first too.

[MisterD]

I think it makes a heck of a lot of sense...especially since more and more cyclists are being seen at night. The arms signals are not always that visible.

Then this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/technology/newsid_7340000/7340963.stm) is a much more sensible solution

[007XX]

Good call MisterD...that is pretty good indeed.:niceone:

[NighthawkNZ]

Well that's just it...they don't do the arm signals...but if they had to have light indicators fitted, they could probably remember to move their thumb before cornering.

But enforcing would be good...especially the red light running rules

An electronic indicator isn't going to make no difference if they don't use the rules in the first place is it...

Enforcing cyclists (of all ages) to to abide by the road rules should be done yes... just as any other road user...

[xwhatsit]

lane split at annoying slow speeds down long straight sections of arterial road without checking behind them, giving any kind of indication, etc... I reckon if they had mirrors, then they might realise more about what the traffic around them is doing, as well as realise if they're holiding up another road users.

Mirrors?! Hell, even motorcycles shouldn't be required to have mirrors. Waste of time. :Pokey:

I normally give a gentle toot in that situation. 95% of the time they're considerate enough to GTFO my way. If I had loud pipes I'd probably just rev the engine.

[steved]

You don't understand much about what the human eye can resolve do you? There's a reason most jurisdictions specify that direction indicators must have a minimum separation...400mm in Aussie, I believe.
So motorbikes like Suzuki RGV150 and Kawasaki ZZR's have external indicators in Australia? These two bikes have indicators that are very close to one another.

[MisterD]

So motorbikes like Suzuki RGV150 and Kawasaki ZZR's have external indicators in Australia? These two bikes have indicators that are very close to one another.

Dunno - the reason I came across this issue was in connection with the legality or otherwise of the new "Lambretta"

[avgas]

haha those lights are ugly.
Fuck giving cyclist indicators - hazard lights is what they need.
Automatic brakes would be better.

[steved]

Then this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/technology/newsid_7340000/7340963.stm) is a much more sensible solution

That looks very cool. I wonder what it will cost if it ever goes commercial?

[Waylander]

They'd make indicating easier for the cyclists to do...which might make them more likely to actually follow the road rules.
*points at his last post in this thread*

If a cager or even some motorcyclists can't be bothered moving their thumb an inch why would a cyclist be any different?

[Forest]

An electronic indicator isn't going to make no difference if they don't use the rules in the first place is it...

Enforcing cyclists (of all ages) to to abide by the road rules should be done yes... just as any other road user...

But if they start enforcing the road rules for cyclists ... then they might start enforcing the road rules for motorbikes.

And where is the fun in that???

[NOMIS]

Cyclists really upset you that much?I think that would be rediculous......!!! wer'e supposed to be encouraging cyclsts stop trying to punish them for being green and getting exercise, I don't ride a bicycle but hell I don't mind if during their manually powered trip they break a couple of rules good on them.....we all bend the rules a little at times.....besides theyr'e only generally gonna hurt themselves (I said generally!!!!).....just my 2cents, and just for the record the way some people on here complain about cyclists I hear a lot of cagers saying similar stuff about us, we aren't angels and far more dangerous to others than them.

Well try sitting behind them when there riding 6 abreast in the bus/bike lane down quay st in peak hour traffic cruising along.

Some are blood pricks, kicked it down into 1st and screamed through all of them. I engourage it but if they paid more attention to me and the bus ( by having mirrors ) things would be a little better.

[speights_bud]

Considering cyclists are possibly the slowest of Road users don't you think Mirror's should be compulsory? i mean how often have you been out riding and they are using the middle of the lane and have no idea you are approaching from behind?? i tend to lean on the horn as soon as i see them. Especially Paekak hill. Bloody Road lice

[McJim]

Cyclists are our brothers. We must unite against the caged ones!:punk:

Seriously though how many times you been out in the cage and passed a truck and he's been pissed off you got past him? How many times have you passed a car on the bike and had him beep the horn or (in Blackbuell's case) try to hunt you down in the twisties (big mistake there). I've had cars try to ram me for lane splitting on the Southern Motorway so it's only natural to see people gettin uptight and indignant about the liberties taken by cyclists who are, essentially, pedestrians and THEY have right of way at all times.....along with horses. In fact I saw about a hundred sheep on a road recently and None of them had mirrors or indicators!

[firefighter]

Well try sitting behind them when there riding 6 abreast in the bus/bike lane down quay st in peak hour traffic cruising along.

Some are blood pricks, kicked it down into 1st and screamed through all of them. I engourage it but if they paid more attention to me and the bus ( by having mirrors ) things would be a little better.

well theyr'e obviously out to get you! :devil2:

[MisterD]

Considering cyclists are possibly the slowest of Road users don't you think Mirror's should be compulsory? i mean how often have you been out riding and they are using the middle of the lane and have no idea you are approaching from behind?? i tend to lean on the horn as soon as i see them. Especially Paekak hill. Bloody Road lice

We're also the quietest road users, and I guarantee I'd hear you before you saw me on any twisty road.

[gismo]

i always give other road users respect on the road.. weather they be in a truck, a car, a motorbike, a push bike or just walking the beat.

But i expect to get respect in return.

Indicators and mirrors on a push bike...... nup!! But the jacket i think is a good idea. Again tho.. it comes down to them lifting their arm.

[speights_bud]

We're also the quietest road users, and I guarantee I'd hear you before you saw me on any twisty road.

You might very well, and i do not mind Cyclists on appropriate roads,l However the issue's i have are with the cyclists who FAIL TO KEEP AS FAR LEFT AS POSSIBLE/PRACTICAL.

I understand that all road users must be able to stop within clear distance etc, and that we all have equal liabilities as users of the road, but considering that i am a PAYING user of the road i do honestly expect Cyclists to KEEP LEFT and out of the way of traffic, for their own safety of course.

[motorbyclist]

You might very well, and i do not mind Cyclists on appropriate roads,l However the issue's i have are with the cyclists who FAIL TO KEEP AS FAR LEFT AS POSSIBLE/PRACTICAL.

I understand that all road users must be able to stop within clear distance etc, and that we all have equal liabilities as users of the road, but considering that i am a PAYING user of the road i do honestly expect Cyclists to KEEP LEFT and out of the way of traffic, for their own safety of course.

last week me and drider were in his cage and had an interesting situation with an oncoming cyclist, on our left of the road... still count?

[speights_bud]

Aye... was he coming towards you, on the left hand side of your lane? ie travelling in the wrong direction?

[motorbyclist]

yep
it was nearing dusk, heavy traffic, very busy road, and he's on the wrong side of the road

in his defence he was pulling into a driveway and was reasonably close to the kerb, but why he had to ride along the wrong side of the road to do so and couldn't use the footpath or simply use the median is beyond me - very disconcerting for other road users and obviously dangerous

[Blue Babe]

When I was a young girl (7 or 8yrs old), growing up in Rhodesia, we had to sit a test to be allowed to have out bicycles on the road & then it was renewed every year. Each time you passed you had to get a metal licence badge which was attached to the bike, so if you got stopped, which we did fairly regularly, you could show that you had done the proficiency test. The bicycles, themselves, had to pass a road worthiness test too. In those days I used to ride my bike to & from school & at weekends my mates & I would disappear for a whole day riding to different places. Wouldn't do that now over there:rolleyes:

[Swoop]

The Road User Rule 2004.
11.10 Riding abreast.
(1) A person must not ride a cycle or moped on a roadway so that it remains abreast and to the right of-

(a) 2 other vehicles that are cycles or mopeds; or
(b) 1 other cycle or moped while that cycle or moped is overtaking and passing another vehicle, including a parked vehicle; or
(c) any other vehicle having 3 or more road wheels (including a motorcycle fitted with a sidecar).
(2) Subclause (1) does not apply if cyclists are participating in a race that is subject to a traffic management plan agreed by the road controlling authority.


I wonder how many psyclists know this...

[gismo]

Today my partner and I went to Motueka to visit my family. We were in the car driving into Motueka just before the main shopping area starts, and there in front of us, is a young boy (approx. 10ish) riding his bicycle swerving all over the road.
I slowed down and tooted the horn to let him know i was behind him. Then the little bastid gave me the fingers.
I wonder if his parents would appreatiate him getting home in one piece, or a policeman turning up on their doorstep telling them he had been killed by a car hitting him.
And another thought.. the motorist always gets the stick by the media for hitting cyclists. In all honesty i felt like turning around and running him down. It's the little shits like that that need to realise that they are the most vunerable on the roads.
Thinks a car would come off better in that contest.
:argh::angry2: