McDuck had a bin last night....

[McDuck]

Well guys last night a went for a slide. i was about 40kms towards wairoa (sp) coming out of one of the low speed hair pins and i went down. I think i hit desial but all i know is the back end went out and left me on the ground. It happened very quickly.

Damage report:
ME
few grazes and bruises, will be sore for a few days but nothing worth worrying about.
BIKE
One indicator smashed, both leavers smashed and there is a hole in the engines side cover.
GEAR
Pants are totally and absolutely stuffed. Brand spanking new to.
Jacket, small tear in elbow, will still replace
Helmet, no damage, will replace.
Gloves, no damage will re-use
Boots, no damage will re-use.

Lessons Learnt:
Good quality tyres on the back. I think if i had a good tyre on the back i may have been able to save it.
ATGATT. I would be in a large world of hurt if i hadn't been in full gear.
Keep a better eye on the road surface.
and real leather next time.

[McDuck]

Oh BTW i was going not more than 60-70kph at the time.

[MSTRS]

This thread is useless without pics....

[chubby]

Sorry to hear about the spill but glad that your all ok. Tis good to hear about these as its always a little reminder to us all. Hope the $ damage isn't too great and that your back up to full speed (sorry couldn't resist it) soon.

[McDuck]

Sorry to hear about the spill but glad that your all ok. Tis good to hear about these as its always a little reminder to us all. Hope the $ damage isn't too great and that your back up to full speed (sorry couldn't resist it) soon.

It will cost more to replace gear than fix the bike. Will take the riding pants around to show MSTRS and he can take a photo (or two)

[007XX]

Oh no...what crap news! Really glad you're ok though...

Get better soon :sunny:

[oldrider]

Oh BTW i was going not more than 60-70kph at the time.

Don't forget "speed kills" even though everybody seems to fall off and get hurt at slow speed!

If the cops etc spent a bit more time making sure all those other bastards kept our roads clean and safe we would be better off.

The more other road users foul the roads, the more "we" have to pay in ACC etc.

How wrong is that! :spanking:

Glad that you are OK. Cheers John.

[firefighter]

note to self......stop riding in shorts and jumper!

[Grub]

Was it night time Donald, any chance it was frost or ice? Some of those corners are pretty sheltered during the day. But yeah diesel sounds like a fair bet too for a low-speed loose. Unless you fed it a handful of juice while nicely leaned over.

I guess you didn't go back and check it out while you picked up the pieces. Both levers must mean that the bike flipped?

[jrandom]

Ouch!

Easily done. Glad to hear you're in one piece.

:niceone:

What tyres were you running, at what pressures?

[wybmadiity]

Glad to hear you are ok :sunny:

[TOTO]

Glad you are ok. One question: if your helmet does not have any damade (assuming it didnt hot the ground) why replace it ?

[skidMark]

This thread is useless without pics....


LOL you're never slow are ya matey.

Sorry to hear about the bin, but live and learn.

[TOTO]

note to self......stop riding in shorts and jumper!

SQUD




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[MyGSXF]

Oh bugger dude!!! :confused: Glad to hear that YOU are relatively ok though :niceone: bikes & gear can be replaced.. people can't! :no:

[Maha]

Oh bugger dude!!! :confused: Glad to hear that YOU are relatively ok though :niceone: bikes & gear can be replaced.. people can't! :no:

I replaced a person once....made on the deal too....:banana:

[MSTRS]

I replaced a person once....made on the deal too....:banana:

0800REALDOLL ?

[Katman]

Go back and reread my thread on Making Excuses McDuck.

I'd given you more credit than that.

[Unit]

It will cost more to replace gear than fix the bike. Will take the riding pants around to show MSTRS and he can take a photo (or two)
Household contents insurance will replace your gear, we have claimed twice successfully and is well worth trying. They were very expensive leathers werent they, and oh yes the helmet was very expensive (and damaged - sledge hammer helps) too :rolleyes:

[skidMark]

Go back and reread my thread on Making Excuses McDuck.

I'd given you more credit than that.


**Resists feeding the troll**

[McDuck]

Household contents insurance will replace your gear, we have claimed twice successfully and is well worth trying. They were very expensive leathers werent they, and oh yes the helmet was very expensive (and damaged - sledge hammer helps) too :rolleyes:

I will give them a ring.

[Katman]

I read the last bit of your first post Donald (thanks for the red). I also read the bit about the diesel and the tyres.

I rode back from Whitianga yesterday morning at 6.00 in the dark on a wet greasy road. I didn't have an accident. Guess why. (I'll give you a clue - it had nothing to do with the tyres I'm running).

[skidMark]

I read the last bit of your first post Donald (thanks for the red). I also read the bit about the diesel and the tyres.

I rode back from Whitianga yesterday morning at 6.00 in the dark on a wet greasy road. I didn't have an accident. Guess why? (I'll give you a clue - it had nothing to do with the tyres I'm running).


Alot of factors can be involved, shit happens.

I am sure he has learnt from it, and doesn't need his nose rubbed in it.

Skid.

[Goblin]

Alot of factors can be involved, shit happens.

I am sure he has learnt from it, and doesn't need his nose rubbed in it.

Skid.Wish we could say the same for you skiddy. :oi-grr:

[skidMark]

Wish we could say the same for you skiddy. :oi-grr:

Don't judge somebody who you havn't ridden with and do not know, this thread is not about me.

If you have a bone to pick bring it up in another thread or via PM.

Skid.

[PrincessBandit]

**Resists feeding the troll**

Yeah, but you couldn't help yourself for long though eh Mark.

[skidMark]

Yeah, but you couldn't help yourself for long though eh Mark.


I havn't fed him in a way that will trigger an outburst. He just needs to realise hes not a child, and there is a line.

Skid.

[MSTRS]

Get leathers...

[blacksheep]

geez you've done a bit of grovelling in those!seriously though glad your ok

[skidMark]

Get leathers...


Did thier job, err just.

[gijoe1313]

Proops :sick: Glad to hear you are okay and ATGATT did the job (just) this time! Just remember to reflect on everything you did and try and recall the sequence of events.

Hope you heal up quick and get the bike back to tip top form for riding again!

[Quasievil]

Shit not good McDuck, at least youre okay, thats the main thing, gear well its irrelevant insurance will take care of that, injury well thats another story.

[Goblin]

**Resists feeding the troll**Resisting feeding the troll??? You are the troll skiddy. Your lame threads asking for advice about life changing decisions then ignore all the good advice. Turn down job offers from genuine good bastards then moan about KBers giving you shit?


Don't judge somebody who you havn't ridden with and do not know, this thread is not about me.

If you have a bone to pick bring it up in another thread or via PM.

Skid.I only judge you by the stuff you post in here and going by your past, you're hardly in a position to be telling anyone else about learning are you??


I havn't fed him in a way that will trigger an outburst. He just needs to realise hes not a child, and there is a line.

Skid.This thread aint about Katman either but you have quoted him and replied in a childish manner. How old are you again? Maybe you could come to grips with being an adult and start taking responsibility for your own actions.


Sorry for the slight hijack McDuck. Bummer about your bin. Glad you're ok. FWIW Katman has a good point. Blaming tyres and diesel is a cop out. Did any other vehicles skid or spin out on the diesel? You cant learn from your mistakes if you dont acknowledge them.

Hope your knees aren't too sore. :pinch:

[McDuck]

Sorry for the slight hijack McDuck. Bummer about your bin. Glad you're ok. FWIW Katman has a good point. Blaming tyres and diesel is a cop out. Did any other vehicles skid or spin out on the diesel? You cant learn from your mistakes if you dont acknowledge them.

Hope your knees aren't too sore. :pinch:

Re read what i wrote, i am blaming my decision to fit crap tyres. And not looking properly where i was going. ultimately i blame myself weather it is for putting the crap tyres on or hitting the diesel... i am quite happy to look at all decisions i made that contributed tot he crash. If the tyres let go when i feel they shouldn't have then i will say that and say i should not have put them on to start with.

[Matt_TG]

Household contents insurance will replace your gear, we have claimed twice successfully and is well worth trying. They were very expensive leathers werent they, and oh yes the helmet was very expensive (and damaged - sledge hammer helps) too :rolleyes:

Good luck with that, they won't be covered on a replacement basis under any policy (contents or bike) but whatever you get will be something towards new gear. You may find that your contents policy will limit the value claimable for motor accessories/clothing.

Unit ... you naughty girl :spanking: Don't do anything to make it look more damaged than it is (helmet etc). Basically once it's screwed it's screwed - making the dent look bigger will only make those with enquiring minds look deeper...

[MSTRS]

Re read what i wrote, i am blaming my decision to fit crap tyres. And not looking properly where i was going. ultimately i blame myself weather it is for putting the crap tyres on or hitting the diesel... i am quite happy to look at all decisions i made that contributed tot he crash. If the tyres let go when i feel they shouldn't have then i will say that and say i should not have put them on to start with.

If you hit diesel, good tyres prolly wouldn't have helped. It's slippery shit and nothing sticks to it. Can be hard to see too. Put it down to bad luck, and remember to expect the unexpected.

[Goblin]

I think i hit desial but all i know is the back end went out and left me on the ground. It happened very quickly.


Lessons Learnt:
Good quality tyres on the back. I think if i had a good tyre on the back i may have been able to save it.
ATGATT. I would be in a large world of hurt if i hadn't been in full gear.
Keep a better eye on the road surface.
and real leather next time.Yes McDuck. It ALWAYS happens very quickly. If it were diesel on the road the front would have gone first and it still would have happened very quickly. A good tyre on the back wouldn't have made the slightest difference. It is also a good idea to have a good trye on the front too.
I agree that leather is better. Keeping aware of road conditions and riding within your abilities goes a long way toward staying upright.

[mowgli]

Oh BTW i was going not more than 60-70kph at the time.

To a noob, 60-70kph sounds pretty quick though a hair pin. Would you say you were pushing it just a little?

[McDuck]

To a noob, 60-70kph sounds pretty quick though a hair pin. Would you say you were pushing it just a little?

Coming out of a hairpin... on a decant sprot bike that corner would be 50kph... and i am not exactly a noob....

[mowgli]

Coming out of a hairpin... on a decant sprot bike that corner would be 50kph... and i am not exactly a noob....
Sorry. My bad. I'm the noob. Didn't mean you. I wasn't trying to suggest you were going too quick at all.

I was just trying to figure out whether at the speeds I take corners whether I'd be vulnerable to the same unforeseen hazard that got you. I assume you're more experienced than I. So if you were pushing "even a little" then I'd expect to be much slower. Prolly a stupid debate with no clear answer possible.

Glad to hear you're okay.

[McDuck]

Sorry. My bad. I'm the noob. Didn't mean you. I wasn't trying to suggest you were going too quick at all.

I was just trying to figure out whether at the speeds I take corners whether I'd be vulnerable to the same unforeseen hazard that got you. I assume you're more experienced than I. So if you were pushing "even a little" then I'd expect to be much slower. Prolly a stupid debate with no clear answer possible.

Glad to hear you're okay.

Every corner is different. hook in with a top notch rider (like MSTRS) and get them to teach you about what sort of lines to take, hazard spotting etc. The most important bit of taking corners is getting good lines etc. How i workout my cornering speed is about the recommended speed plus 40% (ON CORNERS I KNOW) with appropriate throttle application going out of the corner. That said work it out for yourself to what you feal safe with.

[Mike748]

Bad luck about the bin, but glad u could walk away from it.

Just an observation, and I know every accident is different but comparing the damage to your gear against mine (Revit summer stuff) from my recent off then I reckon you were either moving a tad faster than you stated or that gear is crap.

Like you I'm also switching to leathers now.

[Grub]

i am blaming my decision to fit crap tyres..

So what tyres were they and what choices did you have? Very useful to know for future reference

[Goblin]

How i workout my cornering speed is about the recommended speed plus 40% with appropriate throttle application going out of the corner.So what do you do when there's no recommended speed sign?:confused:

[DUCATI*HARD]

[QUOTE=McDuck;1532412]
Pants are totally and absolutely stuffed. Brand spanking new to.
Jacket, small tear in elbow, will still replace
Helmet, no damage, will replace.
Gloves, no damage will re-use
Boots, no damage will re-use.

at least you get to buy some new gear:scooter:

[McDuck]

Just an observation, and I know every accident is different but comparing the damage to your gear against mine (Revit summer stuff) from my recent off then I reckon you were either moving a tad faster than you stated or that gear is crap.



I was still in riding position when the bike hit the deck. AKA i think i got dragged a few meters. Would have only taken a meter or two of weight on that to rip it apart.


This is supported by the relative lack of damage to the other side and general rest of gear. There is a small rip in the elbow of my jacket presumably from where i hit the deck and next to no other damage (apart from scuffing on a boot)

[McDuck]

So what tyres were they and what choices did you have? Very useful to know for future reference

Shinko Sport Master Pro.

The name says it all really.

[McDuck]

So what do you do when there's no recommended speed sign?:confused:

Same thing i do when i dont know the road a wee bit, slow down and use my eyes.

[MSTRS]

Every corner is different. hook in with a top notch rider (like MSTRS) and get them to teach you about what sort of lines to take, hazard spotting etc. The most important bit of taking corners is getting good lines etc. How i workout my cornering speed is about the recommended speed plus 40% with appropriate throttle application going out of the corner. That said work it out for yourself to what you feal safe with.

If by 'top notch' you mean my lines are good, I haven't fallen off for years and I generally don't get caught napping by 'up-stream' hazards, then fair enough. But I'm not infallible, and in simple bike-handling skills there's loads better than me. FFS I've never even had a knee down :crybaby:
I also have to say that you are indeed a noob - your L plate was a recent adornment. No?
You, my friend, are only taking your first few steps on the road to becoming a rider.
Experienced riders know that the posted corner speeds are very inconsistent and unless you know the particular corner, working on the assumption that 'recommended + 40% (etc)' is likely to be a disaster waiting to happen.
ie there are corners I know well around these parts that I will happily take at double the posted (or more), yet there are some that I feel I'm pushing it at posted +20%.

[McDuck]

If by 'top notch' you mean my lines are good, I haven't fallen off for years and I generally don't get caught napping by 'up-stream' hazards, then fair enough. But I'm not infallible, and in simple bike-handling skills there's loads better than me. FFS I've never even had a knee down :crybaby:
I also have to say that you are indeed a noob - your L plate was a recent adornment. No?
You, my friend, are only taking your first few steps on the road to becoming a rider.
Experienced riders know that the posted corner speeds are very inconsistent and unless you know the particular corner, working on the assumption that 'recommended + 40% (etc)' is likely to be a disaster waiting to happen.
ie there are corners I know well around these parts that I will happily take at double the posted (or more), yet there are some that I feel I'm pushing it at posted +20%.


fair points. (ducks head and runs away)
Isnt the term noob for a person in the first 3-6 months of riding and is not yet comfortable on the open rd alone etc?

[McDuck]

If by 'top notch' you mean my lines are good, I haven't fallen off for years and I generally don't get caught napping by 'up-stream' hazards, then fair enough. But I'm not infallible, and in simple bike-handling skills there's loads better than me. FFS I've never even had a knee down :crybaby:


You are alive after how many years of biking..... getting a knee down isnt important.

[kiwifruit]

Isnt the term noob for a person in the first 3-6 months of riding and is not yet comfortable on the open rd alone etc?

no :sunny:

[slimjim]

mate, all up wasn't tires , cause yup , front would've spat ya first , rear only follow's , so knock .....as a off , cause ya's feeding the CAUSE so smile and leave it for another day, fuck life's short enough aren't it

[Goblin]

Trying to follow a top notch rider will only get you into trouble. Ride at your own pace and never try and keep up with anyone....especially sheilas. :crazy:

[MSTRS]

Trying to follow a top notch rider will only get you into trouble. Ride at your own pace and never try and keep up with anyone....especially sheilas. :crazy:

But the views are too good to pass up....

[Mikkel]

Every corner is different. hook in with a top notch rider (like MSTRS) and get them to teach you about what sort of lines to take, hazard spotting etc. The most important bit of taking corners is getting good lines etc. How i workout my cornering speed is about the recommended speed plus 40% with appropriate throttle application going out of the corner. That said work it out for yourself to what you feal safe with.

Ehrm, that's an accident waiting to happen...


If by 'top notch' you mean my lines are good, I haven't fallen off for years and I generally don't get caught napping by 'up-stream' hazards, then fair enough. But I'm not infallible, and in simple bike-handling skills there's loads better than me. FFS I've never even had a knee down :crybaby:
I also have to say that you are indeed a noob - your L plate was a recent adornment. No?
You, my friend, are only taking your first few steps on the road to becoming a rider.
Experienced riders know that the posted corner speeds are very inconsistent and unless you know the particular corner, working on the assumption that 'recommended + 40% (etc)' is likely to be a disaster waiting to happen.
ie there are corners I know well around these parts that I will happily take at double the posted (or more), yet there are some that I feel I'm pushing it at posted +20%.

But John beat me to it. :niceone: (You must spread...)

Generally speaking the recommended cornering speeds are VERY conservative when you're on the campervan trail. When you get off the beaten trail it becomes a different story altogether. There are corners out there where I wouldn't want to exceed the recommended cornering speed at all - and these are usually also the place where you are majorly fucked if you should managed to go off the road!

Also, Goblin has a very good point about not all corners having recommended cornering speeds.

Ultimately - if you start pushing the envelope on the public road you risk pushing daisies soon after.


You are alive after how many years of biking..... getting a knee down isnt important.

Indeed - John is most likely sensible enough to not try pushing on the public road to achieve that goal. Time and place - in this case a race track on a nice day IMHO.


But the views are too good to pass up....

Amen brother! :yes:

[McDuck]

I did make a comment in a reply to goblins post that if i dont know the road i slow down and use my eyes.

[Mikkel]

I did make a comment in a reply to goblins post that if i dont know the road i slow down and use my eyes.

I hope use your eyes all the time ;)

(Sorry, couldn't help it.)

[McDuck]

I hope use your eyes all the time ;)

(Sorry, couldn't help it.)

Dont tell anybody but i do...

[jrandom]

Isnt the term noob for a person in the first 3-6 months of riding and is not yet comfortable on the open rd alone etc?

The point where you realise, in a flash of terrible insight, that you are, always have been, and always will be, a n00b, is the point where you begin to find wisdom.

The most enlightened among us are those most aware of the simple fact that they have no clue.

Does a dog have the Buddha-nature?

[McDuck]

The point where you realise, in a flash of terrible insight, that you are, always have been, and always will be, a n00b, is the point where you begin to find wisdom.

The most enlightened among us are those most aware of the simple fact that they have no clue.

Does a dog have the Buddha-nature?

I acknowledge i am not the best, in fact little more than a learner but n00b? Harsh:confused:

[MSTRS]

I did make a comment in a reply to goblins post that if i dont know the road i slow down and use my eyes.

That's a good start....
But you should ALWAYS be using your eyes.
And on roads you 'know well'...do you? Have you ridden them hundreds of times, in all conditions, at all times of the day/night/year. 'Know the road well' is a loose term we all use, but few of us (me included) can say it for sure and certain. Complacency beckons, and it is a killer.

[jrandom]

I acknowledge i am not the best, in fact little more than a learner but n00b? Harsh

One day, as Manjusri stood outside the gate, the Buddha called to him, "Manjusri, Manjusri, why do you not enter?" Manjusri replied, "I do not see myself as outside. Why enter?"

[jrandom]

'Know the road well'...

McDuck, I think, needs to read some Keith Code.

McDuck, sit, with your eyes closed.

Start a stopwatch in your hand.

Ride the road in your mind.

Click the stopwatch again as you reach the end of the road.

Then, go and ride the road in reality.

If the times differ, you do not know the road well.

[kiwifruit]

I acknowledge i am not the best...

oh you!
don't be so modest

[McDuck]

oh you!
don't be so modest

Ok.




I am an ABSOLUTE FUCKING LEDGOND

[jrandom]

LEDGOND

:pinch:<tencharacters>

[McDuck]

:pinch:<tencharacters>

Yea good ay.

[RantyDave]

Helmet, no damage, will replace.
Good man!

Dave

[JimO]

hope your ok, was it the 250??

[McDuck]

hope your ok, was it the 250??

Yea it was the 250. I am a bit stiff and sore today but that should leave prity quick.

There arnt any pics of the bike because it looks about the same as it did before ;)

[robertydog]

............:jerry:

[McDuck]

............:jerry:

:girlfight: <tencharacters>

[MSTRS]

............:jerry:


:girlfight:

:nono::Pokey:

[McDuck]

............:jerry:


:girlfight: <tencharacters>


:nono::Pokey:

:wacko: <tencharacters>

[Goblin]

The point where you realise, in a flash of terrible insight, that you are, always have been, and always will be, a n00b, is the point where you begin to find wisdom.

The most enlightened among us are those most aware of the simple fact that they have no clue.

Sometimes, it takes a lifetime to realise that.Too bloody true!

Like a good cheese....anyone can brew a batch of knob cheese overnight but a good cheddar takes time. :wait: :blip:

[EJK]

LEDGOND

:rofl:


fair points. (ducks head and runs away)
Isnt the term noob for a person in the first 3-6 months of riding and is not yet comfortable on the open rd alone etc?

Not trying to piss you off or anything but.... an L plate rider saying "Don't say I'm a noob! I'm not a noob!!" to a years of experienced rider.... Doesn't this feel wierd or anything?? :crazy:

Btw sorry to hear about the bin. Well you are typing, thats means you are ok :niceone: