Bike security/locks helps please!

[Meekey_Mouse]

I've tried to do a search to find info on here but only stolen bike threads came up.

What sort of bike locks do people use?
What different types are out there and what would you recommend?
Are there any stories out there of bike locks that have failed?

Basically my past bikes aren't the sort that people would steal (I've even forgotten about the key and left it in the bike whilst in town:blink:) but my next bike will be a bit more of a target :weep:
Living in Taupo I'm not too worried... But for when I travel round to the bigger cities and stuff I'd like to know that my baby is safe.

[McDuck]

For me dick lock and stering lock, if they want it more than that they will get it. Oh and a hory grate chain could work to. What is the next bike?

[CookMySock]

no matter what additional locking devices you use, make yourself a rule - never never never leave it unattended with the steering unlocked.

DB

[nodrog]

a disc lock with an alarm is a good portable solution,

http://www.xenasecurity.com/product/motorbikes/alarm/page1/

oh, and insurance.

[NOMIS]

At home, my dog :D
At work stering lock, chain ( snapped very easily last week when i for got to take it off ) will be getting 2 alarmed disk locks And the big oxford chain.
Where I park is very busy with alot of foot traffic and has 4 cctv cameras that are all facing my bike and even more heading down the street. So I hope it is still ok.

Plus insurance :D

[Dargor]

As for different types. There are locks that go around your hand grip and pull on your front break. Dont get one, they can squeeze out break fluid.

Nodrog: do you know how those alarms last in the rain. And can you replace the batteries.

[nodrog]

As for different types. There are locks that go around your hand grip and pull on your front break. Dont get one, they can squeeze out break fluid.

Nodrog: do you know how those alarms last in the rain. And can you replace the batteries.

a mate has one and has had no problems with rain, and yes the batteries can be repalced.

[skidMark]

Steering lock. disc lock. at home i would reccomend a ground anchor with the oxford lock...cant cut the oxford with bolt cutters like normal chain.

but yeah away from home disc lock and steering lock.

Take the oxford chain with you though, should be able to find a pole to strap it to.

[yungatart]

For me dick lock and stering lock, if they want it more than that they will get it. Oh and a hory grate chain could work to. What is the next bike?

Do you mean one of these???
http://your1shop.com/images/LVF4990%20Safely%20Mine%20edited.jpg

I don't see how it prevents bike theft tho.

[oldrider]

I've tried to do a search to find info on here but only stolen bike threads came up.

What sort of bike locks do people use?
What different types are out there and what would you recommend?
Are there any stories out there of bike locks that have failed?

Basically my past bikes aren't the sort that people would steal (I've even forgotten about the key and left it in the bike whilst in town:blink:) but my next bike will be a bit more of a target :weep:
Living in Taupo I'm not too worried... But for when I travel round to the bigger cities and stuff I'd like to know that my baby is safe.

Thank you for raising this issue MM, maybe it (security) deserves its own forum.

As one of the bike riders who enjoys a reasonable safe home environment, I am becoming more than a little paranoid when I read the experiences of our less fortunate victims of theft on KB.

It amazes me just how easily some bikes are stolen, despite the precautions taken! :argh: John.

[megageoff76]

no matter what additional locking devices you use, make yourself a rule - never never never leave it unattended with the steering unlocked.

DB


Too true. Theres a chap with a nice SV1000 that i park next too, and he fits the lever lock without fail, but NEVER has the steering lock on. The lever lock wont stop anyone from simply wheeling the bike to the nearest van.

[McDuck]

Do you mean one of these???
http://your1shop.com/images/LVF4990%20Safely%20Mine%20edited.jpg

I don't see how it prevents bike theft tho.

Simple. Would you touch a bike with that sitting on the handle barrs?

[tri boy]

Kryptonite Brand locks and flexible cables have a good rep.
The cables are the best IMHO. (can be looped through the frame, and need a oxy kit to cut it).
www.kryptonite.com

[Timati]

Kryptonite Brand locks and flexible cables have a good rep.
The cables are the best IMHO. (can be looped through the frame, and need a oxy kit to cut it).
www.kryptonite.com

Old story but may still ring true about Kryptonite locks - http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/news/2004/09/64987

[tri boy]

Old story but may still ring true about Kryptonite locks - http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/news/2004/09/64987

Fault was sorted out years ago.
Specific to that one U-Lock design.

[Swoop]

Steering lock every time the bike stops.
Have various chains and cables (prefer the cable as it is a bastard to try and cut with boltcutters).
At home. Combat spec 12 guage shotgun with appropriate anti-burg lead-injections.


I don't see how it prevents bike theft tho.
I'm sure it would impede a rider... quite substantially:buggerd::chase::(

[Disco Dan]

For me dick lock and stering lock, if they want it more than that they will get it. Oh and a hory grate chain could work to. What is the next bike?

Whats a Dick Lock?


I've tried to do a search to find info on here but only stolen bike threads came up.

What sort of bike locks do people use?
What different types are out there and what would you recommend?
Are there any stories out there of bike locks that have failed?

Basically my past bikes aren't the sort that people would steal (I've even forgotten about the key and left it in the bike whilst in town:blink:) but my next bike will be a bit more of a target :weep:
Living in Taupo I'm not too worried... But for when I travel round to the bigger cities and stuff I'd like to know that my baby is safe.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1481395&postcount=23

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=70709&highlight=security

Second link has videos of how easy it is to get past common bike locks.

Oh and I can see my bike from where i'm sitting right now... on a security monitor.

[Morcs]

Ive been using a disk lock. until...

I found out that the brakes on teh TL can be bent by the weight of a disk lock.

and

If you park up and put it on straight away, the cooling of the disks as the metal shrinks made it go off.

And I generally dont let the bike go out of sight if in sight of anyone it shouldnt be.

Getting a proper alarm fitted is good thing too. Doesnt stop them stealing though...

[westie]

Insurance is easier then ensurance

[Hellraiser]

GPS that way you'll find it again and an alarm.

[Waxxa]

I use the steering lock, have a 'grip-lock' (have had no problems with it like losing brake fluid?) and now carry a cable under my seat to put around the back wheel so at least they cant walk off with it.

Dont no what else I can do when I'm out and about.

[Meekey_Mouse]

Thanks for all the posts people :) will look at all the links given.

The steering lock will be on... Unless I'm riding it or pushing it some where!


Insurance is easier then ensurance

Already sorted insurance for it :niceone:

Any one know any good companies for alarms? I've spent literally every cent I have on this bike :weep: so I can't afford any thing too expensive. But just the same, if it is out of my budget I'll just find a way to afford it lol.

Are alarms actually any good other then just making noise?

[Disco Dan]

Are alarms actually any good other then just making noise?

Its only good if:

A) Someone hears and actually does something.
B) Immobilizes it.

How often have you heard an alarm go off...

[Meekey_Mouse]

Its only good if:

A) Someone hears and actually does something.
B) Immobilizes it.

How often have you heard an alarm go off...

Quite often and I don't really pay much attention to them any more... Sad I know, but there are too many false alarms lol.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=70709&highlight=security

Weird... I did do a post with "bike security" and nothing came up.

[Wasp27]

Thanks for all the posts people :) will look at all the links given.

The steering lock will be on... Unless I'm riding it or pushing it some where!



Already sorted insurance for it :niceone:

Any one know any good companies for alarms? I've spent literally every cent I have on this bike :weep: so I can't afford any thing too expensive. But just the same, if it is out of my budget I'll just find a way to afford it lol.

Are alarms actually any good other then just making noise?

Highly recommend the Disc locks Jas....IMHO would be better to spend your $$ on 2x Standard Disc Locks than 1 with an alarm that no one will take any notice of. Have heard of people just putting front wheels on Skate boards to wheel away when bike is fitted with only one....makes it near impossible with 2 fitted. Also bloody good idea to fit a warning cord to the lock and loop the other end over your Handlebar grip....saves all that embarrassment when one tries to ride away with the lock still in place :eek5:.....cheers W

[trumpy]

As for different types. There are locks that go around your hand grip and pull on your front break. Don't get one, they can squeeze out break fluid.

If it's squeezing out brake fluid then you have a leak....get it fixed.It is good for squeezing out small air bubbles in the system tho.....beats tying back the brake lever overnight with a bit of string...

I use one, easy to keep under the seat but acts only as a mild deterrent and will not deter the really determined thief.

[bully]

GPS that way you'll find it again and an alarm.

do you have a link for the gps... where do you get it ?

[Disco Dan]

do you have a link for the gps... where do you get it ?

http://www.bikebone.com/LocationSXLoginDemo.htm

[borg]

http://www.bikebone.com/LocationSXLoginDemo.htm

Came across this GPS unit a while ago too... it sends txt messages to your phone if the alarm is activated too.

http://www.mongoose.co.nz/accessories/index.php?product_id=MTP-3

[Tank]

Inspired by the threads of late and the fact that my bike is going to be locked outside for the next few evenings I popped down to cycletrends to grab a lock.

It was really interesting the difference in quality of some of the products.

I had researched and found that the Xena locks are some of the best on the market. I grabbed http://www.xenasecurity.com/product/motorbikes/alarm/14Series/XM14/page1/

The quality is top class and it weighs a ton. I also liked the option to add a cable when necessary. The built in alarm I have tested and its plenty loud. Of course it can be muffled - but then Im guessing it will help with the basic thieves out there.

All in all $89 I thought it extremely good value. Comes with 3 keys, pouch, spare batteries.

[nodrog]

Inspired by the threads of late and the fact that my bike is going to be locked outside for the next few evenings I popped down to cycletrends to grab a lock.

It was really interesting the difference in quality of some of the products.

I had researched and found that the Xena locks are some of the best on the market. I grabbed http://www.xenasecurity.com/product/motorbikes/alarm/14Series/XM14/page1/

The quality is top class and it weighs a ton. I also liked the option to add a cable when necessary. The built in alarm I have tested and its plenty loud. Of course it can be muffled - but then Im guessing it will help with the basic thieves out there.

All in all $89 I thought it extremely good value. Comes with 3 keys, pouch, spare batteries.

where possible fit disc locks with the key facing the inside of the wheel, remember if its a cunt for you to get to with a key, its cuntier for somebody trying to pick/punch out the lock.

[breakaway]

One of these

Even better if you can put it through the wheel and through another solid object on the ground. It'll take ages to cut through it.

The outside is thick metal rings while the inside is thin metal wires (or some shit).

[Meekey_Mouse]

Inspired by the threads of late and the fact that my bike is going to be locked outside for the next few evenings I popped down to cycletrends to grab a lock.

It was really interesting the difference in quality of some of the products.

I had researched and found that the Xena locks are some of the best on the market. I grabbed http://www.xenasecurity.com/product/motorbikes/alarm/14Series/XM14/page1/

The quality is top class and it weighs a ton. I also liked the option to add a cable when necessary. The built in alarm I have tested and its plenty loud. Of course it can be muffled - but then Im guessing it will help with the basic thieves out there.

All in all $89 I thought it extremely good value. Comes with 3 keys, pouch, spare batteries.

$89! Sweet... Looks like I'll be making a little detour down the road then!!

[Disco Dan]

One of these

Even better if you can put it through the wheel and through another solid object on the ground. It'll take ages to cut through it.

The outside is thick metal rings while the inside is thin metal wires (or some shit).

Get yourself one of these.

My Dad made me this one, but most engineering shops should be able to fabricate you something similar for around $60.

[musicman]

I always have my steering lock on whenever I leave my bike, but I just saw a video on Youtube that makes me question their effectiveness...

Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMVtKYBt5Q0)
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Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-_mJVllxKI)
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So how effective are steering locks?

[TimeOut]

Amazing how some people get their kicks:blank:

[Magua]

I used to leave the key to my rg150 in the helmet lock during my first semester at uni, doh.

I use a bicycle lock atm, feed it through the rear wheel and over the pillion seat so I will remember that it's there.

[breakaway]

All a steering lock is is a bracket welded in place. It's not difficult to bend, as shown in the video a couple of posts up.

To protect your bike. What is needed is some sort of attention attracting mechanism that goes crazy when someone touches your bike without disarming it.

[Dargor]

So how effective are steering locks?
On there own vs a determined thief, not very, that one certinly wasnt.
Just remember its all about layers of security. More locks needs a more determined theif.

[The Stranger]

For me dick lock

I don't think she was interested in your kinky sexual deviencies, I know I aren't.

[Meekey_Mouse]

Ive been using a disk lock. until...

I found out that the brakes on teh TL can be bent by the weight of a disk lock.

and

If you park up and put it on straight away, the cooling of the disks as the metal shrinks made it go off.

And I generally dont let the bike go out of sight if in sight of anyone it shouldnt be.

Getting a proper alarm fitted is good thing too. Doesnt stop them stealing though...

Does any one have any more info on whether or not disc locks can harm the discs or the lock?

[Dargor]

Does any one have any more info on whether or not disc locks can harm the discs or the lock?

Even if it does, it sounds like it would take a long time for any real damage to appear. And if you ever find any damage, break disks should be cheap and easy to repair.

[Disco Dan]

Even if it does, it sounds like it would take a long time for any real damage to appear. And if you ever find any damage, break disks should be cheap and easy to repair.

Yeah they are only about $800 a pair.

They can do some nasty damage if you forget about them and ride off... heard of someones break caliper actually snapping off at the mounts... dents in forks.. etc etc

[Meekey_Mouse]

Yeah they are only about $800 a pair.

They can do some nasty damage if you forget about them and ride off... heard of someones break caliper actually snapping off at the mounts... dents in forks.. etc etc

I think I have a plan on how to stop me riding off with it :devil2: If what I'm planning works, then the only way I could forget they are on is by pushing the bike... But I don't think much damage could be done by it hitting anything else at a push speed.

[Disco Dan]

I think I have a plan on how to stop me riding off with it :devil2: If what I'm planning works, then the only way I could forget they are on is by pushing the bike... But I don't think much damage could be done by it hitting anything else at a push speed.

steering locks are ok for a quick trip in a shop etc, but if it is outside/overnight I would be supplementing it with something a lot stronger!

A well placed screwdriver and a good shove of the bike would no doubt be enough to get past it! ...then there is the scary 'pen trick' youtube videos!

[The Stranger]

One of these


You mean a bike no one wants to steal? :Pokey:

[The Stranger]

Yeah they are only about $800 a pair.

They can do some nasty damage if you forget about them and ride off... heard of someones break caliper actually snapping off at the mounts... dents in forks.. etc etc

Have heard of disk locks supposedly causing bent disks, but in the last 4 years of using a disk lock I have seen no evidence. I could perhaps understand if you put the lock on when the disk was bloody hot that it may cause damage, but usually if the disk is that hot you stand around talking shit and/or marvelling at how great you are for a while anyway, which will give it time to cool.

Sure some damage could occur if you pushed it or tried to ride off with the disk lock on, but if you have an alarm type lock, well you have to wonder if they don't have bigger problems.

Some turd tried to steal my GSXR. They cut the "uncuttable" cable with a hacksaw then dragged it past my bedroom window and down the road a ways and left it. The disk lock (non alarm type) damaged the front guard, but no other damage was evident.

I have also seen a guy on a Kawasaki try to ride off with a disk lock on, that wasn't too successful, luckily it was on grass (the bike that is) as he dropped it. further support for the alarm type.

[westie]

Get yourself one of these.

My Dad made me this one, but most engineering shops should be able to fabricate you something similar for around $60.

Can you take them with you on a ride?

[Disco Dan]

Can you take them with you on a ride?

No, but I am in negotiation with my boss on weather I can fit one in the drive at work... :devil2:

ANY other times I am never further than a few metres from my bike!

[Matt_TG]

Get yourself one of these.

My Dad made me this one, but most engineering shops should be able to fabricate you something similar for around $60.

Dan, the nuts are quite easy to get at on that plate. Could someone unscrew it from the floor?

[Headbanger]

Get yourself one of these.

My Dad made me this one, but most engineering shops should be able to fabricate you something similar for around $60.

You can get a heaver version with countersunk bolts from just about any bike shop for $30 odd bucks...

[Disco Dan]

Dan, the nuts are quite easy to get at on that plate. Could someone unscrew it from the floor?

Not when the tops are welded to the plate. :devil2:

[Dargor]

Well i got a Xena XZ1 (http://www.xenasecurity.com/product/motorbikes/alarm/XZSeries/XZ1yellow/page1/), I've had it a few days and must say I'm not very impressed with the way it arms itself. It uses some shitty infra red thing to detect the break disk, this is vulnerable to causing false positives when the disk is hot.
I would much prefure some clumsy method involving the lock & key than this unstable method.

[peasea]

I've tried to do a search to find info on here but only stolen bike threads came up.

What sort of bike locks do people use?
What different types are out there and what would you recommend?
Are there any stories out there of bike locks that have failed?

Basically my past bikes aren't the sort that people would steal (I've even forgotten about the key and left it in the bike whilst in town:blink:) but my next bike will be a bit more of a target :weep:
Living in Taupo I'm not too worried... But for when I travel round to the bigger cities and stuff I'd like to know that my baby is safe.

Get a gun. Period.

[peasea]

Get a gun. Period.

But not a gun-period, that'd be too hard to swallow.

[The Stranger]

Well i got a Xena XZ1 (http://www.xenasecurity.com/product/motorbikes/alarm/XZSeries/XZ1yellow/page1/), I've had it a few days and must say I'm not very impressed with the way it arms itself. It uses some shitty infra red thing to detect the break disk, this is vulnerable to causing false positives when the disk is hot.
I would much prefure some clumsy method involving the lock & key than this unstable method.

I have 2 different models of Xena disk lock and have used them on 7 different bikes. I have found one model doesn't work on one bike. I haven't bothered to check how or why as I just use the the other lock on that bike.

I that said, I have been impressed with the reliability and utility of these things.

One thing I wouldn't do however is put a disk lock on a hot disk as that leads to the possibility of buckling the disk. You may wish to rethink this strategy once you have paid for a replacement disk.