Hidden kill switch on my bike

[ManDownUnder]

Borg reported yet another attempted theft on a bike this morning. I can't find any thread showing the "how to" of a hidden kill swicth, and while I'm, sure I could make something up, is there anyone out there that does this stuff, or has the revelant expertise to recommend a kit, of the components and "how to"

Please share - I'm keen to do it personally, and it might save a lot of people a lot of cash

[ManDownUnder]

Best I could find at short(ish) notice was this

http://www.lewkiw.com/html/theft1.html

[nodrog]

the quickest and easiest way is to fit a kill switch on the + wire to the fuel pump.

[Colapop]

You have the space to park it in the office with you...
I reckon you could just use the stand kill switch and adjust that quite easily

[FilthyLuka]

You have the space to park it in the office with you...
I reckon you could just use the stand kill switch and adjust that quite easily

Or further more, cut the wires and run them up into a flick switch under the seat? So you need the key to get to it in the first place? That way it would have the same effect as leaving your stand down, e.g, nothing working

[Colapop]

On the RF, you can start the bike with the stand down but as soon as you put it in gear it'll die.

[Disco Dan]

http://www.dse.co.nz/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/480e88a104320114273fc0a87f3b0644/Product/View/P7830

<img src="http://www.dse.co.nz/isroot/dse/images/products/P7830.JPG"

[imdying]

http://www.dse.co.nz/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/480e88a104320114273fc0a87f3b0644/Product/View/P7830I would only trust such a low rated set of contacts to switch a relay that carries the actual load. My 2c...

[Disco Dan]

I would only trust such a low rated set of contacts to switch a relay that carries the actual load. My 2c...

More indicative than an actual example, I agree with you.

Imagine having another key switch, say under your seat or under the fairing... that you have to switch on before the bike will start.

Unfortunate that there are two main methods of stealing a bike and generally one preventative measure does not stop the other method!

[skidMark]

Careful what you say guys, thieves have pc's too.

[Disco Dan]

Careful what you say guys, thieves have pc's too.

Anyone tries to steal mine is going to get their hands chopped off.



There. :devil2:

[FilthyLuka]

Anyone tries to steal mine is going to get their hands chopped off.



There. :devil2:

Can i have my glass pipe back please? :doctor:

I still think a couple of U locks, one for each wheel, is the best solution

[skidMark]

Anyone tries to steal mine is going to get their hands chopped off.



There. :devil2:

They didnt last time lol:buggerd:

[skidMark]

Can i have my glass pipe back please? :doctor:

I still think a couple of U locks, one for each wheel, is the best solution


Alot lately seem to get ridden away, but if they want it bad enough they will carry it.

Just alot more obvious to the public eye.

the idea is to make your bike harder to steal than the one next to it.

So they take the other one instead....:devil2:

[rok-the-boat]

I'd like a switch that connects the HT leads to the bars. Or maybe your arse. That would put them off.

[rok-the-boat]

But really, all you need is a switch that grounds the feed to the ignition coil like the kill switch does. Of course, that would not prevent the guy who has a spare lead to connect to the coil but most are well hidden under the tank. Maybe a battery cut out relay so there is no power at all until turned on. I doubt a thief would bring his own battery.

[Subike]

I'd like a switch that connects the HT leads to the bars. Or maybe your arse. That would put them off.

not so far fetched
Wrightsons farm reps use to have an electric fence capassator (sp?) hooked to the body work of their old HQ holdens, so that when the farm dogs pissed on the wheel they got a shock.
I dont think it would take much to do a similar thing to a bike. Low amperage high voltage, give the sucker a belt just like an electric fence.
Let them pick that up and put it in a van.
But then you would probably get charged with some stupid offence by the feds when an innocent person touched it and got a belt.
Good for your own property imho

Plus what mark said about crims having CP's
please blank out reg plates when posting pics!
It can be an on line shopping market, especially when we are not opposed to boasting about the bling on our rides...... advertising special deals for would be theives?
Remember we are on an information high way, and a search of your name for posts can tell a theif a farking lot about your bike, what mods it has, where you work, what area you live, and even photos of you number plate posted in one of the many pics of the rides you go on.
So a theif now has , a pic to offer to a buyer, specs of the bike, address of work or habits, possibly rego, even what you look like.
I am as guilty of this as anyone else, just saying be aware of it.

[nicmotors]

I think all of the above points are good ones.

However I still think the cause of theft is firstly temptation. If you can avoid this factor of temptation from a would be thief, you have pretty much done all the work. Then after that comes further "obstacle's" to make it harder for them.

[skidMark]

If you are going to bother with a hidden kill switch you might as well just spend $30 on a disc lock, either way its immobilised and they cant ride it away.

[McJim]

Another alternative is to move away from your efficient, reliable japanese steeds and get an old Ducati that requires a lot of patience and a bit of a ritual to get it to start.

Works for me. :rofl:

[scumdog]

If you are going to bother with a hidden kill switch you might as well just spend $30 on a disc lock, either way its immobilised and they cant ride it away.

With a disc-lock being visible they could return with a means of dealing with it.

With a hidden kill-switch they're left :scratch: as to why it won't run.

[McJim]

With a disc-lock being visible they could return with a means of dealing with it.

With a hidden kill-switch they're left :scratch: as to why it won't run.

Every HOG in Southland and Otago should come with a hidden naked policeman. I've heard that naked policemen have a 100% arrest rate in New Zealand - is this true?

[The Pastor]

a trained dog in your garage is the best option imho

[scumdog]

Every HOG in Southland and Otago should come with a hidden naked policeman. I've heard that naked policemen have a 100% arrest rate in New Zealand - is this true?

Can't speak for everybody but in MY experience you're dead right!!!:niceone:

[breakaway]

Put in about 3 killswitches, each of which need to be set to certain position before you can get going? :p

Battery, fuel pump, starter solenoid?

[munterk6]

Great thing bout the late model Suzukis is they have an immobiliser system from the factory! Yep, ya gotta have the original key, which has a chip inside it giving off a reference signal which is recognised by the ECU.
They will NOT start otherwise. Then ya gotta lock it up with anchors in the garage floor and disc locks front and rear, in a locked alarmed garage.
Make it as hard as possible for the scum bottom feeders.
Sooooo.....theres the answer, simple eh?

[AllanB]

Great thing bout the late model Suzukis is they have an immobiliser system from the factory! Yep, ya gotta have the original key, which has a chip inside it giving off a reference signal which is recognised by the ECU.
They will NOT start otherwise.

Its a great system - Suzuki copied it off HONDA.

[FROSTY]

What about a secondary fuel tap up under the tank?

[Pedrostt500]

Hidden kill switches are fine but you have to remeber to use them, how about a key ring remote switch that runs to at least two imobiliser switches, also a good high tensile chain that you can run through the frame and either back or front wheel with a good Quality padlock.
We also could have the Administrators of KB start a stolen Bike section if one doesnt all ready exist, Reg No, Frame No, Engine No, and a photo or two of the bike.

[obstacle]

Then after that comes further "obstacle's" to make it harder for them.

hmmm? you rang?

[notme]

So did you get something sorted MDU?

I have ideas (and can help with the implementation!) - e.g. a magnetic switch, imagine if you needed a small magnet (kept on yer keyring) to be touched to a hidden spot on the bike to enable the ignition...... or if you had to press a hidden pushbutton a certain number of times - 3 presses in quick succession allows the bike to be started within the next 30 sec sorta thing.

Of course a plain old hidden switch that breaks the fuel pump or ignition line is fine too - do you still want help with the wiring of said switch?

:rockon:

[rat biker 08]

Have one on my bike kill switch just behind the head light . Or by a good padlock & chain stop it befor it starts

[awayatc]

I've heard that naked policemen have a 100% arrest rate in New Zealand - is this true?

cardiac arrest .....:banana:

[Disco Dan]

So did you get something sorted MDU?

I have ideas (and can help with the implementation!) - e.g. a magnetic switch, imagine if you needed a small magnet (kept on yer keyring) to be touched to a hidden spot on the bike to enable the ignition...... or if you had to press a hidden pushbutton a certain number of times - 3 presses in quick succession allows the bike to be started within the next 30 sec sorta thing.

Of course a plain old hidden switch that breaks the fuel pump or ignition line is fine too - do you still want help with the wiring of said switch?

:rockon:
I like that idea!

What sort of switch would be needed? Do they have a specific name?

[Coyote]

However I still think the cause of theft is firstly temptation. If you can avoid this factor of temptation from a would be thief, you have pretty much done all the work. Then after that comes further "obstacle's" to make it harder for them.
My bike looks like a piece of crap at the moment. Problem sorted :D

[rat biker 08]

Just a off on sweitch linked in to mane loop power simple but works

[PrincessBandit]

If you are going to bother with a hidden kill switch you might as well just spend $30 on a disc lock, either way its immobilised and they cant ride it away.

Still can be lifted rather than rolled if thieves have transport for it.


With a disc-lock being visible they could return with a means of dealing with it.


Wish it had been easy to deal with when I accidentally set mine with the key insert facing inward on the disk :Oops: Was able to insert the key but it ran out of turn space to release the pin so I ended up having to have my lock key grip trimmed so as to manage to actually turn it. The lock removal guy wasn't able to cut the lock (but then maybe crims have better tools at their disposal - i wouldn't be at all surprised).


Great thing bout the late model Suzukis is they have an immobiliser system from the factory! Yep, ya gotta have the original key, which has a chip inside it giving off a reference signal which is recognised by the ECU.


For real??? or you pulling my tinkler?? (I am easily taken in, so hence my question).

[Macstar]

I put a kill switch on the KTM motard as it didn't have a key ignition - so anyone could have just pushed the start button and ridden off. Anyway, $15 push button style on/off switch from Cycletreads and located a strategically hidden place on the bike and whamo! No electrics without it.

I watched the mechanic fit the switch - it took him a maximum of 10 minutes. So total cost was around $30-40

[scumdog]

Its a great system - Suzuki copied it off HONDA.


Even ol' stone age Harlyes have that on their recent models, no need to actually put a key in the ignition at all, just get on the bike and hit the start buton - you'll know you forgot the key when the bike won't start!

[notme]

....... e.g. a magnetic switch, imagine if you needed a small magnet (kept on yer keyring) to be touched to a hidden spot on the bike to enable the ignition......


I like that idea!

What sort of switch would be needed? Do they have a specific name?

2 methods - 1 is a grunty enough magnetic switch to carry the current in whatever circuit you break, this means you just break the fuel pump or ignition line etc, then you need to place the magnet near the (hidden) switch before you ride. This is simple and cheap but has the disadvantage that you need to leave the magnet in place while riding, and you need a heftier switch.

The other method is a simple circuit where a relay is switched on by the magnet, so you touch the magnet to a certain place on the bike briefly then the ignition is good to go until the bike is next switched off - this way accidentally getting a magnet near the hidden switch while riding won't kill the ignition! This method is more complicated but the magnetic sensor can be anywhere since it is tiny and only carrying a small signalling current, and since you just touch the magnet briefly to some spot on the bike it is far less obvious than having a magnet stuck somewhere while riding.

IMHO if it was me pursuing a different sort of kill switch to the plain old hidden toggle that breaks the fuel pump line, I would go for a hidden push button that needs to be held for a few seconds or pressed a certain number of times. You could connect a pushbutton that needs to be held for x number of seconds quite simply with a resistor and cap type arrangement, or go to extremes and have a preset code i.e. 3 quick presses then 1 long then 2 short or whatever your imagination can come up with!

There's a balance in there somewhere though....some of these more exotic ideas may present problems when the bike is being serviced or whatever - if you have to explain to the shop how to start it rather than just flicking a hidden switch and having the bike start normally without them even needing to know it has a killswitch....

[FROSTY]

Looking in my "boxobits" (whats left from my garagefullastuff). I pulled out a race tether kill switch.Wire it into your kill and then leave it permenantly attached to yer glove. So basicly they would need to bipass both the normal key ignition and the kill switch.-$40 bucks at yer local bike shop

[notme]

Here's a simple circuit I designed that will do the magnetic killswitch thing.

It works like this:
After breaking the fuel pump line or whatever ignition circuit you like -

1. Turn ignition switch on as usual
2. Bring a magnet close to the reed switch - the relay will turn on.
3. Ride, when you get where you're going turn off the ign switch as usual and the circuit resets.

If anyone actually installs this on their bike - make sure that the relay is capable of handling the current involved in whatever circuit you break, something like this is a good choice:

http://jaycar.co.nz/productView.asp?ID=SY4029&CATID=&keywords=relay&SPECIAL=&form=KEYWORD&ProdCodeOnly=&Keyword1=&Keyword2=&pageNumber=&priceMin=&priceMax=&SUBCATID=

For the reed switch, any normally open type is ok as long as it can handle the relay magnetising current - about 50mA so something like this is OK (and small enough to put anywhere!).

http://jaycar.co.nz/productView.asp?ID=SM1002&CATID=&keywords=reed+switch&SPECIAL=&form=KEYWORD&ProdCodeOnly=&Keyword1=&Keyword2=&pageNumber=&priceMin=&priceMax=&SUBCATID=


I would epoxy it to the inside of a fairing somewhere. You can also use ones off house alarms, they are often sealed into a nice plastic housing with mounting tabs.



For the magnet you could set the smallest magnet you can find into a blob of epoxy on a keyring - i have some that are about 5mm discs, about 2mm thick that would be ideal.

The LED is optional to show that the system is ON.