Exemption - Learner to ride 650

[CookMySock]

Ok I got my exemption for my 650 yesterday, so I can ride it on my learners' license.

I told them I was an old barsted (42) with plenty of offroad and commercial driving experience etc, a clean driving and criminal record, and gave them pics of me in my copious safety gear (looks very impressive) and the bike, and me ON the bike (must be with no helmet on), and they just issued the exemption. Took all of ten days.

Get the forms from any driver licensing agency and just do it. Easy.

DB

[C_A]

that's choice.
do you still have to adhere to the gayer than gay 70kph rule?

[Number One]

Ok I got my exemption for my 650 yesterday, so I can ride it on my learners' license.

I told them I was an old barsted (42) with plenty of offroad and commercial driving experience etc, a clean driving and criminal record, and gave them pics of me in my copious safety gear (looks very impressive) and the bike, and me ON the bike (must be with no helmet on), and they just issued the exemption. Took all of ten days.

Get the forms from any driver licensing agency and just do it. Easy.

DB

OMG!!!! I need to do this tooo then! Though I'm not an old bastard I do have heaps of safety gear, a clean record and years of event free driving experience......

hmmmmmmmmm - worth a crack Nige!

Thanks DB kind regards db:cool:

[Tank]

Its pretty easy to get.

You can also get around the 70km speed restriction by being being allowed to sit your full right away. I went from my basic handling to full in 2.5 months (had only ridden 2 days in the UK prior to that).

You DONT need to have a clean drivers licence (I dont), nor do you have to have had much riding experience. Many have posted that you shouldn't try when on your L but wait for the restricted - but this is false and makes no difference.

They asked me some follow up questions - I documented them all for everyone to hopefully make the process easier to those that follow - quoted them below.


- Tank



I thought that I would drop a note to all outlining my experience applying for dispensation from the graduated licensing system.

I am currently on my learners (have been for 2.5 months), have a reasonably clean licence (although far from perfect), I am aged mid thirties and was looking for a cruiser.

I had a really good call with the people at LTNZ who were REALLY helpful. I got some additional info from them that will help others who are thinking of applying.

1. If you are a young -un don’t bother unless you are really big or tall, they have too many young people in accidents, and as such look at these a lot harder – you really have to have a good reason – otherwise you will be declined.
2. If you are looking for a bike with a “Z” in the model you will be declined regardless of age, reason, whatever – so don’t even try.

I wrote in saying a 250 on the open road was silly. They wrote back asking me how much time I spend in 100kph zones, why can’t I use a car (that I had previously), and what am I looking for, and what experience do I have (being that I have been riding 2.5 months).

I emailed them my answers (see below):

Make, Model and registration of current bike?
I ride a Suzuki GN250 registration #ABC!@#

Make, Model and registration of the bike I am looking to purchase?
I have not as yet identified the exact bike that I wish to purchase as I am unable to test ride them on my current licence. I have however spoken to numerous suppliers and biking mentors about this and they are unanimous in their recommendation of a mid-size cruiser bike. I have no intention of purchasing a sports bike or the like. Examples would be a Suzuki C50 or M50.

If I am successful in this application is it possible to get dispensation to test ride before having the licence ‘linked’ to the specific bike I am approved to purchase?

What travel options did I have prior to my class 6 licence and why cannot I use this now?
Prior to my class 6 licence I had a car of my own, but I have since sold this (Ferrari #ABC!@#). As such my bike is my only form of transport.

My wife has a car (another Ferrari #ABC!@#) but she uses this for her work and the children, and this is rarely available to me. There is also a Nissan registered to my name (a Porsche #ABC!@#) – however this is my sons and he no longer lives at home. As such I have no access to this car either.

Photo of me on my current bike:

Please find following.



Photo of me on the bike that I wish to purchase?
I am unable to provide this immediately as this bike has not as yet been identified. I could either find the bike I wish to purchase and send you a picture for your approval, or I could take a picture of each of the bikes that could be on my ‘shopping list’ – please let me know which you would prefer.

Evidence of riding experience?
I had passed my learners whilst on the UK approximately 7 years ago (I cannot find a copy sorry). In New Zealand I ride every day as this is my primary form of transport. I also attend a mentor group where more experience riders provide training Wednesday evenings for approximately 2.5 hours [I](BIG UPS TO BIG DOG AND CO). For clarification this is not a group that just rides around town – we have a dedicated area (large carpark) where we have lessons / training on items such as emergency braking, counter steering, bike maintenance, riding in wet, general safety etc).

Other than that – I am a daily rider, with the majority of my riding done on the open road.

Estimated amount of time I ride on open road (100kph zones) and reasons why?
I ride in 100 KPH zones almost every day. To and from my office does not generally require riding in 100KPH zones, but all most other actions do.
Examples:
• I ride on the Northern Motorway (and over the harbour bridge) for meetings / training / shopping approximately twice a week. (as an aside such a small bike on the harbour bridge is dangerous when windy)
• I rode in Rodney district approximately 4 times a week for at least an hour to meet friends etc.
• I ride 5 hours return approximately every 3rd weekend to Cambridge and back to visit family (I cannot take the car as my immediate family generally do not come down for this.)
• We live at the very top of the East Coast Bays – as such a large percentage of ‘general life’ trips require riding on the motorway




They confirmed that I will be granted dispensation in the following:
• I will be given dispensation for date XX to test ride bikes upto 800cc as long as it does not have a “Z” in the model.
• Once I have selected a bike I will be given dispensation for that bike only
• I am then allowed to sit my full licence (ONE TIME ONLY) – if I pass I no longer have to have learners or restricted restrictions – I go directly to my full licence - Do no pass go, do not collect $200 – sweeeeet
o However if I fail I have to remain under the constraints of the learners / restricted with the exception of the larger bike dispensation.

All in all they were very helpful, professional and a pleasure to deal with. They are not fools, so I would not try to ‘get one past them’, but, if you have a serious and reasonable case to put forward they are extremely helpful.

- Tank

[C_A]

z in the model = a no no?wtF?

[firefighter]

z in the model = a no no?wtF?

I was just thinking that.......so I could get any 600cc but the Kawaski Zx6r......!!!!sounds good to me! hmmm CBR, R6, GSX, Daytona, surely that can't be right?

hey does the dispensation cover being fat? lol

[Forest]

I will be given dispensation for date XX to test ride bikes upto 800cc as long as it does not have a “Z” in the model.

I can see what they're trying to do, but this seems a strange way to do it.

[2fst4u]

go back to the original topic and read it. having a 'z' in the model was just an example. basically he meant that if you want dispensation for a bike that is just basically made to go fast then forget about it

[NOMIS]

I was just thinking that.......so I could get any 600cc but the Kawaski Zx6r......!!!!sounds good to me! hmmm CBR, R6, GSX, Daytona, surely that can't be right?

hey does the dispensation cover being fat? lol

your forgetting for the r6 its actually Yamaha YZF - R6

[skidMark]

Ok I got my exemption for my 650 yesterday, so I can ride it on my learners' license.

I told them I was an old barsted (42) with plenty of offroad and commercial driving experience etc, a clean driving and criminal record, and gave them pics of me in my copious safety gear (looks very impressive) and the bike, and me ON the bike (must be with no helmet on), and they just issued the exemption. Took all of ten days.

Get the forms from any driver licensing agency and just do it. Easy.

DB


What if i have none of the above... lol

[mark247]

go back to the original topic and read it. having a 'z' in the model was just an example. basically he meant that if you want dispensation for a bike that is just basically made to go fast then forget about it

I got my exemption for my VFR400 and my FZR400 and my GB400 when i was 17 and on my learners. I just said i was tall ( im 6foot 2inchs ) and that i had owned a few 250's and they were too small for me ( although my vfr is not much bigger lol ) and that on the open road esspecially when its windy they are down right dangerous. I had been fined previously for riding a 400cc bike on my learners when i applied for my FZR exemption and when i applied for my VFR exemption i had had a few speed tickets as well. I didn't even supply a photo. If you are polite then you should be fine. I think the fact that i initially got it for a GB400 then changed it to a FZR then VFR made it easier for me.

[firefighter]

your forgetting for the r6 its actually Yamaha YZF - R6

how diligent of you, why yes I did.

[Pedrostt500]

Is there a dispensation for doing over 100mph on one wheel whilst texting?.

[mark247]

Is there a dispensation for doing over 100mph on one wheel whilst texting?.


Just write in and say you are a middle aged man who has a clean licence and you should be sweet

[duckonin]

z in the model = a no no?wtF?well that fuks it no suzuki for you

[mark247]

i suppose it applied to all the "fast" letters, which in my opinion are W R T S F H Z X C V, basically of the bike model has one or more of those letters in it then you wont able to get an exemption on it and you will get pulled over by every cop. haha :jerry:

[bully]

i herd of a guy being to tall as well, he was allowed a tl 1000, he was about 16 i think.

[Cr1MiNaL]

I would just like to make a grandad post here:

Please beware a 250cc bike, is a learner bike for a reason. One of my very close mates died because he got an exemption to ride a 600 and it was obviously too much for him. He was 19. Yes 19!

(this is probably not the only reason but was one of them for sure)

Please be careful whatever you do.

Cheers.

[mowgli]

Is there a dispensation for doing over 100mph on one wheel whilst texting?.
Sure is. It comes with free lodging and three squares a day :clap:

[FJRider]

Inexperience, bad decisions, kill morepeople, than the size/model of bike ridden.

[mark247]

Please beware a 250cc bike, is a learner bike for a reason. One of my very close mates died because he got an exemption to ride a 600 and it was obviously too much for him.

Cheers.

That is unfortunate. I do agree that for some learners an inlinefour 600 could be a bit too much power. But a 650 vtwin hyosung is really quite an ideal learner bike in my opinion ( what the starter of this thread has.) They have a bit of power to get out of sicky situations but they still arent exactly leathal weapons. They weight 208kg dry!!! thats over 30kg more than my VFR! On the other hand some hot 600 inlinefour has a fair few more ponnies than the VFR and are the same/less weight.... they're in a totally different league

[Tank]

I would just like to make a grandad post here:

Please beware a 250cc bike, is a learner bike for a reason. One of my very close mates died because he got an exemption to ride a 600 and it was obviously too much for him. He was 19. Yes 19!

(this is probably not the only reason but was one of them for sure)

Please be careful whatever you do.

Cheers.


Sorry for your loss - but people need to remember that the bike alone is not the reason he had an accident.

If he was riding within his limits etc there is no reason why the 600 would be any more dangerous than the 250.

[CookMySock]

Please beware a 250cc bike, is a learner bike for a reason. One of my very close mates died because he got an exemption to ride a 600 and it was obviously too much for him. He was 19. Yes 19! Please be careful whatever you do.Fair comment grandad. I'll be cool - promise.


that's choice.
do you still have to adhere to the gayer than gay 70kph rule?Yeah, stoked! No, the 70k rule has not been inforced for years, and is unlikely to be inforced - told to me by the local cop. HOWEVER, be aware, if you are doing 120k in a 100k zone, legally you are 50km/hr over YOUR speed limit and IIRC that is NOT A SMALL FINE. So, be cool. They might let you off if you have your full license, if they see an L-Plate flash by at that speed you are going to pay through the nose.

EDIT: The last half of this paragraph (the bit about calculating speeds) is completely incorrect. Discard!


OMG!!!! I need to do this tooo then! Though I'm not an old bastard I do have heaps of safety gear, a clean record and years of event free driving experience......Do it, Numbah Uno. You wil get it for sure.

DB

[Cr1MiNaL]

Sorry for your loss - but people need to remember that the bike alone is not the reason he had an accident.

If he was riding within his limits etc there is no reason why the 600 would be any more dangerous than the 250.

Wrong. A 600 can get to 0-100 in 2.5 seconds. A 250 on the other hand...can't:baby:
I'm just asking everyone to be careful. I'm not saying don't buy a 600 if you are confident you have a mature head on ur shoulders as DB obviously has, so graciously accepting my words of advise.

[mark247]

If he was riding within his limits etc there is no reason why the 600 would be any more dangerous than the 250.


Wrong. A 600 can get to 0-100 in 2.5 seconds. A 250 on the other hand...can't:baby:


I think you misunderstood him. If he is "riding within his limits" and then he wouldnt doing 0 to 100 in 2.5 seconds would he. That would be the bikes limits...

[CookMySock]

if you are confident you have a mature head on ur shoulders as DB obviously has, so graciously accepting my words of advise.hee hee.. naw I plan to go international on it. LOL.

Well, I m not going to smash my arse on the road with it. That will fucking hurt. A LOT.

DB

[xwhatsit]

HOWEVER, be aware, if you are doing 120k in a 100k zone, legally you are 50km/hr over YOUR speed limit and IIRC that is NOT A SMALL FINE.

That's, er, not quite how they do it. The 70kph thing is a license condition, so is enforced as such. So you'd get your usual 120kph in a 100kph (20kph over speed limit) ticket, and you'd get a $400 fine (I think that's the figure) for breaking a license condition.

[Tank]

Wrong. A 600 can get to 0-100 in 2.5 seconds. A 250 on the other hand...can't:baby:
I'm just asking everyone to be careful. I'm not saying don't buy a 600 if you are confident you have a mature head on ur shoulders as DB obviously has, so graciously accepting my words of advise.


I think you misunderstood him. If he is "riding within his limits" and then he wouldnt doing 0 to 100 in 2.5 seconds would he. That would be the bikes limits...

Mark got it right - that was what I was referring to.

Regardless - your comment being careful out there is always a good one. The one about DB having a mature head on his shoulders ... well .... I'll let that one slip this time.

[scumdog]

Its pretty easy to get.

You can also get around the 70km speed restriction by being being allowed to sit your full right away. I went from my basic handling to full in 2.5 months (had only ridden 2 days in the UK prior to that).

You DONT need to have a clean drivers licence (I dont), nor do you have to have had much riding experience. Many have posted that you shouldn't try when on your L but wait for the restricted - but this is false and makes no difference.

They asked me some follow up questions - I documented them all for everyone to hopefully make the process easier to those that follow - quoted them below.


- Tank

Reading the list ; I was surprised they took into account the 100kph riding you did considering it is all 'choice' stuff as opposed to essential stuff, it shows the powers-that-be are not inflexible.

[scumdog]

I'm just asking everyone to be careful. I'm not saying don't buy a 600 if you are confident you have a mature head on ur shoulders as DB obviously has, so graciously accepting my words of advise.

I am asking everyone to be careful too - for a different reason.

Should a noob or two on an exemption on an 'over 250 bike' bin in a bad way it may cause the situation of granting exemptions to be looked at very closely.:yes:

[TygerTung]

There are 250's avliable which CAN do 100 kph on the open road comfortably, it's just the GN250 isn't one of them!

[scumdog]

Inexperience, bad decisions, kill morepeople, than the size/model of bike ridden.

A bad decision COULD also be the one to buy a 600+cc bike because the noob buyer doesn't want to be seen on a 250 and be thought of as a noob...

[CookMySock]

I am asking everyone to be careful too - for a different reason - Should a noob or two on an exemption on an 'over 250 bike' bin in a bad way it may cause the situation of granting exemptions to be looked at very closely.:yes:Scumdog is right. Last thing we need is the gubmint be forced to make a new rule. I'm telling the exact same thing to my teenagers all the time, so point well taken Scumdog. Thanks.

DB

[CookMySock]

That's, er, not quite how they do it. The 70kph thing is a license condition, so is enforced as such. So you'd get your usual 120kph in a 100kph (20kph over speed limit) ticket, and you'd get a $400 fine (I think that's the figure) for breaking a license condition.ok thanks dood. I get shit wrong all the time. cheers !


DB

[mark247]

ok thanks dood. I get shit wrong all the time. cheers !


DB

The secret is to not have an L plate on if you are going to do over 70.

When i was on my learners on my fzr400 ( with exemption ) i got pulled up by the cops after midnight because a security guard car had called the cops on me for speeding passed him at an intersection. When i got pulled up the cops asked if i had been speeding and how many cars i had passed on my way home ( which i thought was quite funny for them to ask ) and i told them that i had passed 3 cars on the way home and that i had just been cruising around 100 - 105 all the way home, it was a bloody freezing night so if i was going too fast i would of froozen solid. They said that the security guard thought i was doing over 120 and i told them that old Mr Chubb man was talking crap. The cops just told me to have a good night and to go home haha. They didnt even mention the 70kmh rule, or even in that case the fact i had no L plate.

[Tank]

Reading the list ; I was surprised they took into account the 100kph riding you did considering it is all 'choice' stuff as opposed to essential stuff, it shows the powers-that-be are not inflexible.

Indeed - I have said in many post just how helpful and professional that they were.

Its only a small team (4) I think and she commented how they like to be thought of as a team who can apply logic and help wherever appropriate. Refreshing really.

Re the not wearing a "L" plate - I figured that its best to - if you get pulled over its a $400 fine.

EDIT: AND you can lose the 'right' to your dispensation - thus being sent back to a 250 with a larger bike sitting in the garage. Each ticket you receive whilst being on the dispensation programme is notified to the team and they have to make the decision to allow you to keep it. So why give them cause to think "We helped this guy out - now hes not playing by the rules - lets teach him"

[PrincessBandit]

Ok I got my exemption for my 650 yesterday, so I can ride it on my learners' license.

... Took all of ten days.

Get the forms from any driver licensing agency and just do it. Easy.

DB

Good on ya! My husband is soon to get his exemption transferred to his R (he's currently exempt to ride my 650 on his learners). We had quite a wait though as his paper work "got lost in the system". They reckon though the upgrade to new licence (regarding the exemption) is only a phone call though.

[mark247]

Good on ya! My husband is soon to get his exemption transferred to his R (he's currently exempt to ride my 650 on his learners). We had quite a wait though as his paper work "got lost in the system". They reckon though the upgrade to new licence (regarding the exemption) is only a phone call though.

When i got my first exemption they said i would have to pay the $20 again and reapply for when i get my restricted. When i sold that bike i was still on my learners and this time around they made it so i could ride this bike on my learners until a month after the day i could first get my restricted, then from that day i could ride on my restricted until a month after the gay i could get my full if i had done the course that knocks 6 months off it, so that was nice of them second time around.

[awayatc]

Australia is going for LAMS (learner approved motorcycle scheme.) have a look
http://www.arrivealive.vic.gov.au/node/83
or
http://www.transport.tas.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/16824/fact_sheet_LAMS_approved_motorcycles.pdf

It allows learners to ride a bike with maximum power to weight ratio of 150 kilowatts per tonne combined with a
maximum engine capacity of 660 cubic centimetres (cc).
Our legislators are surely looking over the Tasman.....
Wouldn't be surprised if we just follow suit....

[Tank]

Australia is going for LAMS (learner approved motorcycle scheme.) have a look
http://www.arrivealive.vic.gov.au/node/83
or
http://www.transport.tas.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/16824/fact_sheet_LAMS_approved_motorcycles.pdf

It allows learners to ride a bike with maximum power to weight ratio of 150 kilowatts per tonne combined with a
maximum engine capacity of 660 cubic centimetres (cc).
Our legislators are surely looking over the Tasman.....
Wouldn't be surprised if we just follow suit....


They already have - there are a number of threads about it. No word on implementation date as yet tho'

[awayatc]

since this post is about exemption to ride bikes over 250cc......
Interesting to see that not only is there a whole list of approved bikes up to 660 cc,
There is also a small list of 250 cc bikes not allowed......

http://www.transport.tas.gov.au/pdf/licence_information/Learner_Approved_Motorcycle_Scheme_LAMS.pdf

(yes the Aprilia RSV 250 is on that list....)

[PrincessBandit]

There are 250's avliable which CAN do 100 kph on the open road comfortably, it's just the GN250 isn't one of them!

I'm sure I'm not the only one who can prove you wrong on that :whistle: (but then it might depend somewhat on the size and weight of the person in the saddle :rolleyes:)

[FJRider]

Scumdog is right. Last thing we need is the gubmint be forced to make a new rule. I'm telling the exact same thing to my teenagers all the time, so point well taken Scumdog. Thanks.

DB

If we can't be trusted to obey the "RULES" in place NOW, how can we expect the rule makers to make them more LIBERAL ???

[CookMySock]

If we can't be trusted to obey the "RULES" in place NOW, how can we expect the rule makers to make them more LIBERAL ???It isnt about rules, its about natural consequences. None of us have any intent of fully following ANY set of RULES, and never have. Think back over the years.. I did all sorts of crazy shit my parents were never aware of, or my mrs (uh oh) or the gubmint (zips lip) but I'm still in one piece. Who cares ?

The bottom line now is, the gubmint will let us ride our 650 on our learners, if, and as long as, we do not cause major chaos in the process of it. So to start with we are bending the rules. So misbehave for sure, just don't break anything ok ? or we loose the privilege. Fact is, we are not qualified or experienced to be pushing a 650 around on the road and that's why the GDLS is there to begin with.

DB

[FJRider]

It isnt about rules, its about natural consequences. None of us have any intent of fully following ANY set of RULES, and never have. Think back over the years.. I did all sorts of crazy shit my parents were never aware of, or my mrs (uh oh) or the gubmint (zips lip) but I'm still in one piece. Who cares ?

The bottom line now is, the gubmint will let us ride our 650 on our learners, if, and as long as, we do not cause major chaos in the process of it. So to start with we are bending the rules. So misbehave for sure, just don't break anything ok ? or we loose the privilege. Fact is, we are not qualified or experienced to be pushing a 650 around on the road and that's why the GDLS is there to begin with.

DB

Believe it or not, I TOTALLY AGREE, some may not. Depending on how convenient it is for them ... at the time. Temptation is a fickle friend. Have horsepower...will use it... and your day can turn to shit... quicker than you think.