Quarter of Police unhappy in job

[SixPackBack]

Poor possum's. Apparentley overworked and over paid??? WTF??.......working for the Police certainly develops a keen sense of humour.

Herald article (http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10505922&pnum=2)

[Grahameeboy]

Poor possum's. Apparentley overworked and over paid??? WTF??.......working for the Police certainly develops a keen sense of humour.

Herald article (http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10505922&pnum=2)

Woke up with a sore head today Sixbelly.

Of course typical of this Country at times they forget to put things in perspective - I suspect the same % of unhappy employee's applies to many other organisations...KB included!!...and I guess being the butt of peoples anger aint ideal so I reckon 25% is pretty good for this type of occupation...

Keep em peeled...

[scumdog]

Only 22% hmmm?

[SixPackBack]

Head is fine. Reporting an article and waxing lyrical about 'apparent overwork'.:lol:
You failed to read the article huh?

Qoute!
"The overall survey findings put the police force in the bottom quarter of the 455 organisations around the world that have been the subject of such surveys in the past three years."

[Grahameeboy]

Head is fine. Reporting an article and waxing lyrical about 'apparent overwork'.:lol:
You failed to read the article huh?

Qoute!
"The overall survey findings put the police force in the bottom quarter of the 455 organisations around the world that have been the subject of such surveys in the past three years."

Mmm..let me see...455 into the world = 0.0025%...big survey...still no surprise considering occupation....

[scracha]

An experienced member of the CIB told the Herald his colleagues were overworked and experiencing low morale, but they still investigated cases with a passion.

Unless it's doing me for speeding, I've yet to see a kiwi copper investigating anything useful with any sort of passion.

[scumdog]

An experienced member of the CIB told the Herald his colleagues were overworked and experiencing low morale, but they still investigated cases with a passion.

Unless it's doing me for speeding, I've yet to see a kiwi copper investigating anything useful with any sort of passion.

Lucky-you must just deal with the disgruntled 22%......:Pokey:

[MSTRS]

Lucky-you must just deal with the disgruntled 22%......:Pokey:

Better than dealing with the other 78% who do their job naked?:devil2:

[Deano]

By my maths it's only 20%.

[jahrasti]

Better than dealing with the other 78% who do their job naked?:devil2:

No no no have you not seen? we wear speedo's

[jim.cox]

I've yet to see a kiwi copper investigating anything useful with any sort of passion.

What about this Bobby then...

A British police officer has been forced to resign for having sex with a prostitute at a building he had been sent to investigate to see if it was a brothel.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4495338a4560.html

[Deano]

What about this Bobby then...

A British police officer has been forced to resign for having sex with a prostitute at a building he had been sent to investigate to see if it was a brothel.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4495338a4560.html

You can't fault a cop for doing a 'thorough' investigation. :devil2:

[Skyryder]

An experienced member of the CIB told the Herald his colleagues were overworked and experiencing low morale, but they still investigated cases with a passion.

Unless it's doing me for speeding, I've yet to see a kiwi copper investigating anything useful with any sort of passion.

Well someone did with Rob Muldoon's niece. Cambell Live 23/4/08.


There will be more in the news on this one.


Anyone see this story last night.


Skyryder

[madandy]

I guess he was in the process of nicking her and had to conduct an internal search for evidence...

[scumdog]

Well someone did with Rob Muldoon's niece. Cambell Live 23/4/08.


There will be more in the news on this one.


Anyone see this story last night.


Skyryder

Yup, saw it, a bit o.t.t. going by what the girls said, if it's as straight forwards as they say it was.

Sadly they're paying for all the dweebs and skanks that never know whose booze it is, never knew there was a liquor ban in place, never drunk booze in the ban area, don't know how the booze got there anyway, were only checking to see why the cops were talking to their mate yadda yadda yadda...

Would like to hear 'the other sides' story though.

[Deano]

Would like to hear 'the other sides' story though.

I missed the show, but wouldn't the 'other sides' story have come out in court ?

[avgas]

Thats a pretty good ratio, out of people i meet atleast 1/2 hate their jobs.
I have a distaste for mine

[scumdog]

I missed the show, but wouldn't the 'other sides' story have come out in court ?

Already been to Court.
Case thrown out 'cos cop coudn't remember if the girl(s) had a can or a bottle and whether it was in their hand or on the ground and decided to ad-lib.

Otherwise a straight 'breach of liquor ban' case.

[Swoop]

For every contented member of the overworked CIB, there are four unhappy detectives who are physically present but "psychologically absent".
Hmm. Perhaps dishing out some evidential "happy pills" for the sad faced ones? There must be a few spare in the store rooms of "NZ Plod Corp".:devil2:

[vifferman]

The online version of The Harold doesn't show the graph that was in our old-fashioned printed version this morning. This showed the survery results and those for the general working population of UnZud, and they were close enough to the same as makes no real difference.
So.... the way the polis feel about their jobs is pretty much the same as how most of us do, which indicates that it's not evidence of policing being a crap job so much as NooZilund's general malaise.
Which is why so many Koiwoiz are galloping (swimming? Flying?) off overseas.

I reckon if we get rid of the current crop of politicians and bureaucrats, all the stupid rules'n'regulations'red-tape, the Happiness'n'Satisfaction Factor would zoooom upwards markedly.

[007XX]

I personally think that anyone criticising the Blue Boys should walk a mile in their shoes before getting all racky about it. And no, I'm not one of the freakin' PC brigade....:calm:

I'm not taking a dig at you SPB :hug:...I know there are some bad eggs in the police, but so is there in everything...

I also know a couple of mates who are cops and are the first ones to dislike those bad eggs...and also dislike what they see on a daily basis, but they do it cos someone has to.

One of those mates I speak of stopped riding his bike (even sold it) after seeing one too many horrenduous bike accidents. The things he saw I shudder to think of, and wouldn't swap my job with his for all the money in the world.

[Genestho]

Cops deal with alot of crap that we dont even know exists, they do their best (well most do - bad eggs everywhere) and what they put away is spewed back into our community. And then they have to deal with the same dicks all over again.

As said prior, somebody has to do it.

Rather them than me.

[SixPackBack]

I personally think that anyone criticising the Blue Boys should walk a mile in their shoes before getting all racky about it. And no, I'm not one of the freakin' PC brigade....:calm:

I'm not taking a dig at you SPB :hug:...I know there are some bad eggs in the police, but so is there in everything...

I also know a couple of mates who are cops and are the first ones to dislike those bad eggs...and also dislike what they see on a daily basis, but they do it cos someone has to.

One of those mates I speak of stopped riding his bike (even sold it) after seeing one too many horrenduous bike accidents. The things he saw I shudder to think of, and wouldn't swap my job with his for all the money in the world.


Don't shoot the messenger, the Herald did the reporting!

My mirth was directed at 'overworking'...its a personal thing:yes:

As for criticism of the police force...........we have had one commissioner come dangerously close to jail-time for rape, and another who appears to be generating more than a little heat over the Olivia Hope case. In between the 'Cartright report' damns Police culture per Se. Couple this to bitter personal experiences brought upon by these so called 'self styled' good guys and you have otherwise exemplary members of society 'turned'

I love the concept of saviours, it just seems the force these days has run into some serious road blocks.

[007XX]

Don't shoot the messenger, the Herald did the reporting!

My mirth was directed at 'overworking'...its a personal thing:yes:

As for criticism of the police force...........we have had one commissioner come dangerously close to jail-time for rape, and another who appears to be generating more than a little heat over the Olivia Hope case. In between the 'Cartright report' damns Police culture per Se. Couple this to bitter personal experiences brought upon by these so called 'self styled' good guys and you have otherwise exemplary members of society 'turned'

I love the concept of saviours, it just seems the force these days has run into some serious road blocks.

As I said buddy, and I do mean it, I was not having a go at you. I recall what you told me of your run ins with the blue team, and I understand your misgivings...

However, I am annoyed at the media for always blowing things out of proportion and portraying everything under a dramatic light.

And unfortunately, I will not see the whole Police Corp damnable because of three damaging cases in point...nor because of your personal run ins with them.

I have only ever had one bad experience with the police. But I still don't think that it is :
a/ an enviable job, and so tend to respect those who actually do it well (because yes, there are some
b/ fair to bunch them all in one tidy package to suit the fact that the general population loves to hate someone who enforces rules.

[scumdog]

Don't shoot the messenger, the Herald did the reporting!


I love the concept of saviours, it just seems the force these days has run into some serious road blocks.

I am still waiting for somebody to come up with an answer to stop these on-going problems. (Cops with alleged bad history, incompetents, unhappy workers etc etc).

[007XX]

I am still waiting for somebody to come up with an answer to stop these on-going problems. (Cops with alleged bad history, incompetents, unhappy workers etc etc).

Is there such an answer though? Me thinks it smells a bit of utopia.

[Edbear]

I am still waiting for somebody to come up with an answer to stop these on-going problems. (Cops with alleged bad history, incompetents, unhappy workers etc etc).

I'm workin' on it, mate...:wacko:


Is there such an answer though? Me thinks it smells a bit of utopia.

Is that somewhere near Rotorua..?:whistle:


...However, I am annoyed at the media for always blowing things out of proportion and portraying everything under a dramatic light...

Eh!? The media isn't fair and even-handed..? :eek:You mean they are, :shutup:...ratings driven...?

[007XX]

I'm workin' on it, mate...:wacko:
[/SIZE]

Are you serious?

I mean, with all due respect, isn't it like working on a concept to eradicate human nature? People make mistakes, take the wrong path, and cops are no different...

I'm not saying we should let them run riot just because they are part of the force, but the fact is, nothing is foolproof, and so no one should be surprised if from time to time there are a few problematic cases thrown in the mix.

However, those should be dealt with harshly as they were entrusted with the security of the community in the first place and should know better.

[Grahameeboy]

Don't shoot the messenger, the Herald did the reporting!

My mirth was directed at 'overworking'...its a personal thing:yes:

As for criticism of the police force...........we have had one commissioner come dangerously close to jail-time for rape, and another who appears to be generating more than a little heat over the Olivia Hope case. In between the 'Cartright report' damns Police culture per Se. Couple this to bitter personal experiences brought upon by these so called 'self styled' good guys and you have otherwise exemplary members of society 'turned'

I love the concept of saviours, it just seems the force these days has run into some serious road blocks.

I guess the problem is that in any other occupation, these things would not happen or be discovered so that does not mean that the Police have a problem that other occupations don't have.

Yep in the case of the Commissioner he did something wrong when he was younger...not condoning it...however, he is allowed to turn his life around like all of us and he is human, regardless of him being in the Police...we sh ould not expect the Police to be non-human and like us all if they do something wrong they will eventually be taken to task...

By all accounts he was good at his job so he disgraced himself not the Police.

Your experiences...sorry to hear, however, not everything is subjective.

So there...

[awayatc]

physically present but "".



I wonder if you could use that to defend yourself in court....Your honour I know the constable gave me a ticket, so he must have been physically present....But comon he must clearly have been "psychologically absent"....:banana:

[Grahameeboy]

Are you serious?

I mean, with all due respect, isn't it like working on a concept to eradicate human nature? People make mistakes, take the wrong path, and cops are no different...

I'm not saying we should let them run riot just because they are part of the force, but the fact is, nothing is foolproof, and so no one should be surprised if from time to time there are a few problematic cases thrown in the mix.

However, those should be dealt with harshly as they were entrusted with the security of the community in the first place and should know better.

I think being European we are more openminded and understanding of life's imperfections and I agree with you...I mean in NZ someone rapes someone and the lynch mob comes up...

[007XX]

I think being European we are more openminded and understanding of life's imperfections and I agree with you...I mean in NZ someone rapes someone and the lynch mob comes up...

Hmmm...I don't know. It was very much the same in Paris and in New Caledonia...I think that any form of discipline will eventually be resented, and therefor its representants will be seen as needing to be perfect, or else the whole outfit is seen as confirmed in its "evilness"...

It is in my mind just an excuse to feel justified is having a right to break the rules. If the law is proven as faulty, then it becomes acceptable to overrule it. The "if even the cops don't respect the rules, then why should I?" mentality...

But this could be seen as an overly gross generalisation on my part and I am sure different people have different reasons for disliking the police. I am just not convinced that people are truly honnest with themselves when it comes to admitting why they lay the blame so heavily in the first place.

[awayatc]

I am still waiting for somebody to come up with an answer to stop these on-going problems. (Cops with alleged bad history, incompetents, unhappy workers etc etc).

Not to difficult realy....Regardless of all the bitching we like to do..We need a strong competent police force....
Seperate traffic cops from regular police again would be a start..(the way it used to be...people have generally bad experiences with overzealous traffic cops...not with regular police):Police:
Have politicians grow enough balls to stand behind "the force"....:dodge:
Hooligans throwing bottles at police cars?? shouldn't be accepted .....Should be dealt with...Swift and harsh:bash:

Police cant be strong arm of the law, if the PC brigade make soft cock rules.....

People should be made proud to wear that uniform, not constantly undermined.

Anybody like to try life in NZ for a week or so without police?:shutup:.:bye:

[Edbear]

Are you serious?...:banana:


Moi? Serious..?:wacko:

[Skyryder]

Yup, saw it, a bit o.t.t. going by what the girls said, if it's as straight forwards as they say it was.

Sadly they're paying for all the dweebs and skanks that never know whose booze it is, never knew there was a liquor ban in place, never drunk booze in the ban area, don't know how the booze got there anyway, were only checking to see why the cops were talking to their mate yadda yadda yadda...

Would like to hear 'the other sides' story though.

Agreed.

However the other side is in the Court's record. Mind you, gota wonder if looks played apart in this.

Lawyer looked a sharp one.


Skyrder

[007XX]

Moi? Serious..?:wacko:

Why you ....!:spanking:

:laugh:

[Mikkel]

I would expect police work to be some one of the toughest, but also most rewarding, jobs out there.

I suspect that the rewarding bit relies heavily upon whether you have the general publics respect and support though! Too bad that respect and support is being undermined by executive decisions in an organisation that is being run more or less as a private company. A shame really.

I'm glad that someone is willing to do that job though!

[Edbear]

Why you ....!:spanking:

:laugh:


Careful, you'll give me ideas...:innocent:

[Grahameeboy]

Hmmm...I don't know. It was very much the same in Paris and in New Caledonia...I think that any form of discipline will eventually be resented, and therefor its representants will be seen as needing to be perfect, or else the whole outfit is seen as confirmed in its "evilness"...

It is in my mind just an excuse to feel justified is having a right to break the rules. If the law is proven as faulty, then it becomes acceptable to overrule it. The "if even the cops don't respect the rules, then why should I?" mentality...

But this could be seen as an overly gross generalisation on my part and I am sure different people have different reasons for disliking the police. I am just not convinced that people are truly honnest with themselves when it comes to admitting why they lay the blame so heavily in the first place.

The French...they still have not got over that girly they burned...:eek:

Big difference between being imperfect and being evil though.

Yep none of us are perfect...I think the problem with the Police is that it is still a male dominated macho place...easy for the less perfect to think they can get away with things....like Lawyers, Doctors, Accountants, who are not immune from scandal.

To me the important thing is to deal with the individual offender, rather than tarnishing the rest of the Police Force because the majority ie 99% are alright geezers.

[Grahameeboy]

I would expect police work to be some one of the toughest, but also most rewarding, jobs out there.

I suspect that the rewarding bit relies heavily upon whether you have the general publics respect and support though! Too bad that respect and support is being undermined by executive decisions in an organisation that is being run more or less as a private company. A shame really.

I'm glad that someone is willing to do that job though!

Yep we should not dob the workers for the ways of their bosses...just like Telecom, Air NZ and other large organisations...if we do then we should not complain when they turn round and say "fuck you"

[mstriumph]

but :shutup: doesn't that statistic indicate that THREEQUARTERS of them are other than unhappy??

that sounds like a pretty good ratio to me ----- i'd say that, in many of the places i've worked, it would be reversed?

[SPman]

...... revealed that only 13 per cent of police staff were loyal and committed to the job.The average over New Zealand's working population is 25 per cent.
I would put those as worrying statistics.
If police are generally even more disgruntled in their work than the average, disgruntled populace, it would tend to lead to relations between the two being even more unpleasant than neccesary.
Which leads to - how do we get more gruntled policemen?
The article did mention Comms were more gruntled, having had $45m spent on them, so ...the answer must be spend more money on whats required to get the job done...in Scummy's case, I'm sure a 69 Boss 351 Mustang patrol car would do the trick - or maybe a Boss 429.......

[007XX]

Careful, you'll give me ideas...:innocent:

I doubt you have been waiting for me, m'dear!


The French...they still have not got over that girly they burned...:eek:

Oh...you mean Joanne? :innocent:
That I recall, you naughty pomies halted her in her tracks...:bash:



To me the important thing is to deal with the individual offender, rather than tarnishing the rest of the Police Force because the majority ie 99% are alright geezers.

yes, I agree.

[Skyryder]

Don't shoot the messenger, the Herald did the reporting!

My mirth was directed at 'overworking'...its a personal thing:yes:

As for criticism of the police force...........we have had one commissioner come dangerously close to jail-time for rape, and another who appears to be generating more than a little heat over the Olivia Hope case. In between the 'Cartright report' damns Police culture per Se. Couple this to bitter personal experiences brought upon by these so called 'self styled' good guys and you have otherwise exemplary members of society 'turned'

I love the concept of saviours, it just seems the force these days has run into some serious road blocks.

You missed out Broad and the drink driving allegation.

Skyryder

[Ixion]

An interesting quote from a serving LEO


In order to mollify those who believed that professional police were "a curse and a despotism", and secure their aid in creating his professional police force, Sir Robert Peel developed what became known as The Peelian Principles; which are considered to be the basic foundation for all modern policing:

1) The basic mission for which the police exist is to prevent crime and disorder.

2) The ability of the police to perform their duties is dependent upon the public approval of police actions.

3) Police must secure the willing co-operation of the public in voluntary observation of the law to be able to secure and maintain the respect of the public.

4) The degree of co-operation of the public that can be secured diminishes proportionately to the necessity of the use of physical force.

5) Police seek and preserve public favor not by catering to public opinion, but by constantly demonstrating absolute impartial service to the law.

6) Police use physical force to the extent necessary to secure observance of the law or to restore order only when the exercise of persuasion, advice, and warning is found to be insufficient.

7) Police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent upon every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.

8) Police should always direct their action strictly towards their functions, and never appear to usurp the powers of the judiciary.

9) The test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with it.



My academy devoted two days to the study of Sir Robert and his Principles of Policing. I am of the firm opinion that these Principles should be Gospel for every Peace Officer.

[SixPackBack]

As I said buddy, and I do mean it, I was not having a go at you. I recall what you told me of your run ins with the blue team, and I understand your misgivings...

However, I am annoyed at the media for always blowing things out of proportion and portraying everything under a dramatic light.

And unfortunately, I will not see the whole Police Corp damnable because of three damaging cases in point...nor because of your personal run ins with them.

I have only ever had one bad experience with the police. But I still don't think that it is :
a/ an enviable job, and so tend to respect those who actually do it well (because yes, there are some
b/ fair to bunch them all in one tidy package to suit the fact that the general population loves to hate someone who enforces rules.

You realise you're making excuses for them huh :whistle:

PrcL5DE8QuQ

[Swoop]

I have found it quite interesting over the last two days. Trying to report some suspicious activity of someone who may be doing a bit of burglary in the area.
Phoned the local plod and asked to be put onto community constable or local burg. squad. then waited... and waited.
Everybody must be out solving crimes, targeting speeding bikers or at the donut shop.
Answerphone messages must not be in use for our local CC. I even have a licence plate they could investigate.:(

I'm now feeling so depressed I should enlist.

[firefighter]

Ok, I don't blame them......the poor bastards have gone from one of the top respected jobs to rock bottom......and it's not really thier fault.....Campbell Live should be given a smack around the bloody head. it's negative media attention which is giving them a bad name, the country hates them, the media portray every bad move with massive coverage- always forgetting the massive amounts of good they really do, music gives them shit, then they have to do 3 hours paperwork for evry 30mins of police chase......all so the cunts can get off with a pat on the hand.......seems a bit sad really huh? The kids have a rediculous attitude against them, and a massive amount of you "adults" do too, if you get pulled over for speeding, it's because you were speeding, and they're sick of dealig with the aftermath......oh yeah they get blamed for that too...... they don't really earn that much for the hours they put in, I can't believe firefighters get off so scot-free, there's plenty of bullshit that the media dont over exaggerate, and as for those girls on tv last night, well lets face it, they were probably drinking the piss, in a well known no liquor zone, lets be real about it.....think of all the bullshit stories, ohhhh i didnt know,fuck off you broke fucken law deal with it.yes it did go a bit far but thats certainly not as bad as the volunteer fireman that was lighting fires and called it in from the firestation! bet you never heard that?! open your eyes up for fucks sake and remember there out there doing job, and you all give them shit for it.

[firefighter]

Ps. other firefighters on here, sorry but I think it just needed to be said.

[Hitcher]

Information like this should not be made public. Like any human resources initiative, Gallup survey information should be the sole preserve of the organisation to which it applies. Releasing it, as this Police information has been, in the absence of any context, is meaningless. In this case it is only being used by opposition members of Parliament to try and score cheap political points against the Government.

HR issues in the Police are complex and long-seated. There will be no easy fixes. And sharing information like their Gallup engagement survey data with the public will not make the task any easier, as it holds the whole process up to ridicule, rather than allowing it to be used constructively, as it is intended.

[Squiggles]

Unless it's doing me for speeding, I've yet to see a kiwi copper investigating anything useful with any sort of passion.

Scummy passionately streaked down the road

[Skyryder]

Information like this should not be made public. Like any human resources initiative, Gallup survey information should be the sole preserve of the organisation to which it applies. Releasing it, as this Police information has been, in the absence of any context, is meaningless. In this case it is only being used by opposition members of Parliament to try and score cheap political points against the Government.

HR issues in the Police are complex and long-seated. There will be no easy fixes. And sharing information like their Gallup engagement survey data with the public will not make the task any easier, as it holds the whole process up to ridicule, rather than allowing it to be used constructively, as it is intended.


On this basis............ no public information should be released on any Government Department as the opposition could make cheap political points from it And sharing information data with the public would not make any shortfalls in departmental performance any easier to correct as it holds the whole process up to ridicule, rather than allowing it to be used constructively, as it is intended.

Not one of your better posts Hitch.


Skyryder

[spudchucka]

I have no problem with it being released to the public because it forces the top brass to acknowledge the problem and do something positive about it.

Politicians and the media love booting around the police football, if it wasn't this matter they'd be having a go over something else.

[SixPackBack]

More from the Herald this morning........ (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10506189)

[Patrick]

...the answer must be spend more money on whats required to get the job done...in Scummy's case, I'm sure a 69 Boss 351 Mustang patrol car would do the trick - or maybe a Boss 429.......

Nice... New Minister of Police for you, vote now...


...... thats certainly not as bad as the volunteer fireman that was lighting fires and called it in from the firestation! bet you never heard that?! open your eyes up for fucks sake and remember there out there doing job, and you all give them shit for it.

Good post FF

Sadly, there have, in the past, been a couple of vollys putting in a bad name doing this sort of thing. Perhaps TV3 didn't get a hold of it?

[jrandom]

Information like this should not be made public. Like any human resources initiative...

You forget that in this case, the public are stakeholders and customers, so to speak. I deplore the occasional elitism in this country's public service that views the taxpayer as an inferior being, to be placated and ignored rather than informed and consulted.

<_<

Would you criticise a board of directors for releasing an organisation's HR survey results to shareholders at the AGM?

[Rogue]

I remember talking to a copper and his mates years ago about policing the roads. They were rather happy that the MOT/TC's were undertaking the law enforcement. Their reasoning was that where the police undertook traffic enforcement they lost the respect of the public. I wonder if this is the case in NZ? People show no respect which makes the job harder and less enjoyable. Hence complacent attutudes with some staff.
Maybe a good reason to bring back the MOT/TC's

I agree that dealing with the paper work and scum can frustrate and have an effect on attitudes.
I am also sure that if the recruits didnt know about them and other problems they might encounter before they enlisted they would have learned about them during their training. So they cannot use these as examples of why they dislike their job.
If you cant handle the heat get out of the kitchen :crybaby:

Then there is the culture and office politics that might effect their attutudes.
This is harder to deal with, but as in any job these can come hand in hand.
Again "If you cant handle the heat get out of the kitchen"

Maybe by lowering the acceptance standards for recruits could have changed the dynamic of the police force for the worse?

[Biggles08]

I am sure different people have different reasons for disliking the police. I am just not convinced that people are truly honnest with themselves when it comes to admitting why they lay the blame so heavily in the first place.

Personally I have a problem with how the 'speed kills' issue is handled...and that is merely because that issue relates directly to me...I like to ride quicker than the set speed limits in certain situations and can confirm that I'm 100% not prepared to kill because of it (as the LTNZ would want you to believe)- therefor I have a vested interest in this particular law. If I had kids and thought I had the right to smack my child while disciplining them I'm sure I would show/vent my frustration at that 'bad' law., but it doesn't affect me directly.

So...when it comes to why people dislike the police and their reasons for it, I'm sure you will find that it is due to the 'personal' experiences they have had surrounding their particular interest. The only time I have any contact with the law keepers in this country is when they stop me on the side of the road for allegedly committing an offense. Why can't they stop while we're standing on the side of the road having a cigarette break to say hi and generally treat me like a human??? why? A police officer originally from Dublin did this once to my mates and me and fuck did it impress me...I bet he's gone now though as his attitude was wrong according to the quota system.

Now let me make this very clear...I'M AWARE THE SET SPEED LIMIT IS 100KPH ON THE OPEN ROAD and if I choose to ignore this rule and I'm caught...so be it, give me the ticket, I'll be pissed off at what I perceive to be a bad law being enforced but will take it on the chin and carry on.....BUT....and its a big 'but,' don't give me a lecture telling me that I'm prepared to kill someone or that my riding is dangerous when clearly surrounding the circumstances in which I'm stopped its not. I know when I'm riding dangerous and I also know that it is getting less and less as I get older so a pimpled faced police officer telling me how I should be riding is where I will get angry.

The reason I think the police have a lot to answer to is based on personal experience alone - and this is fact...its not hearsay or any other 3rd party telling me how to think it is ONLY based on issues that I have been personally involved in. I know there are bad apples everywhere but why do I see so many in the (traffic) police force...I see them....its fact remember and I'm being 100% honest with you and myself.

I would like to like the NZ police and would like to hear just once the sound of honesty when I've been pulled over for speeding "I know you weren't riding dangerous but you were exceeding the set speed limit and unfortunately I have to give you a ticket" instead of the usual BS line "If you had seen what I've had to put up with in my job you would agree that speed does kill and you going 112kph is a danger to others on this road." BULLSHIT NAZI PROPAGANDA!!!

[Patrick]

Why can't they stop while we're standing on the side of the road having a cigarette break to say hi and generally treat me like a human??? why? A police officer originally from Dublin did this once to my mates and me and fuck did it impress me...I bet he's gone now though as his attitude was wrong according to the quota system.

Been there, done that, still do that.... I like checking out the bikes and who the babes are...

I would like to like the NZ police and would like to hear just once the sound of honesty when I've been pulled over for speeding "I know you weren't riding dangerous but you were exceeding the set speed limit and unfortunately I have to give you a ticket" instead of the usual " BULLSHIT NAZI PROPAGANDA!!!

Pretty much what I tell those who get to wear a quota.

Nazis would have shot you at the road side and sold ya bike to pay for the bullet. It aint that bad....:whistle:

[Biggles08]

Pretty much what I tell those who get to wear a quota.

well keep up the good work then.


Nazis would have shot you at the road side and sold ya bike to pay for the bullet. It aint that bad....:whistle:

Lets sit around and do nothing then and wait for it to become that bad huh??? The Helen Brigade is merely a wolf in sheep's clothing Patrick.

[Patrick]

Lets sit around and do nothing then and wait for it to become that bad huh??? The Helen Brigade is merely a wolf in sheep's clothing Patrick.

She won't be around..... don't ya think?

[Biggles08]

She won't be around..... don't ya think?

Well....no...all going to plan:2thumbsup

[scumdog]

Why can't they stop while we're standing on the side of the road having a cigarette break to say hi and generally treat me like a human??? why? A police officer originally from Dublin did this once to my mates and me and fuck did it impress me...I bet he's gone now though as his attitude was wrong according to the quota system.

"I know you weren't riding dangerous but you were exceeding the set speed limit and unfortunately I have to give you a ticket" instead of the usual BS line "If you had seen what I've had to put up with in my job you would agree that speed does kill and you going 112kph is a danger to others on this road." BULLSHIT NAZI PROPAGANDA!!!

I DO stop and yarn to random bikers, go and fetch tyre-pandos/fuel etc for them and DO treat 'em like humans - so where's tha KB post on that??(p/t)

AND I do tell motorists to their face why they are getting the ticket (don't 'do' tickets for 112kph)

[jrandom]

I would like to like the NZ police and would like to hear just once the sound of honesty when I've been pulled over for speeding "I know you weren't riding dangerous but you were exceeding the set speed limit and unfortunately I have to give you a ticket" instead of the usual BS line "If you had seen what I've had to put up with in my job you would agree that speed does kill...

When I was handed my most recent ticket (110 in an 80 up Albany hill) the copper in question didn't really have either of those attitudes.

It seemed more as though there simply was no question of there being discretion in the matter; he pings someone doing 30 over, he issues a ticket, general politeness all round, no suggestion that anybody was being 'unsafe', no suggestion that it's actually his decision to issue the ticket, but no regret, either; just the cogs of the machine ticking over, doing his job as instructed.

It reeked to me of quiet bureaucracy and general boredom, to be perfectly honest.

And it led me to consider a point - the hyper-alert state we ride in, a lot of the time, is so far removed from the mental condition of the average car driver as to be almost inconceivable. The things we do on motorcycles happen in an entirely different world of danger and precision.

It's hardly surprising that we don't fit into the road rules. They're not written for us.

The very idea of a vehicle user on the road having to maintain the level of concentration required to ride a motorcycle quickly would give almost any Government bureaucrat a screaming conniption fit.

We don't fit into the machine, and when we clash with its cogs, things get messy.

That's really all there is to it. Nature of the beast. Just gotta try to stay clear of those cogs.

[FJRider]

What about this Bobby then...

A British police officer has been forced to resign for having sex with a prostitute at a building he had been sent to investigate to see if it was a brothel.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4495338a4560.html

Obviously an in depth investigation, he should have been commended.

[kiwifruit]

And it led me to consider a point - the hyper-alert state we ride in, a lot of the time, is so far removed from the mental condition of the average car driver as to be almost inconceivable. The things we do on motorcycles happen in an entirely different world of danger and precision.


I'd like to think all "bikers" ride in a state of heightened awareness as you describe but in reality it would half of them at best

[Firefight]

Ps. other firefighters on here, sorry but I think it just needed to be said.


I have no problem with your post at all !, after 22 years in the job, I have had more than my share of working with NZ Police officers, I have nothing but respect for them, I can recall working with the Police DVI team a few years ago, I doubt many of the general public would be up to that task !:sick:

They have have my full support.


Firefight

[FJRider]

When I was handed my most recent ticket (110 in an 80 up Albany hill) the copper in question didn't really have either of those attitudes.



At 30 km's over the posted limit, I wonder why ??? Another 11km/hour and you would have been walking. How many demerit's was that ??? 75 ???

[scumdog]

At 30 km's over the posted limit, I wonder why ??? Another 11km/hour and you would have been walking. How many demerit's was that ??? 75 ???


Shuddup you fool, you're making sense and this IS KB after all!!!

[FJRider]

I'd like to think all "bikers" ride in a state of heightened awareness as you describe but in reality it would half of them at best

Or BEST half the time.

[jrandom]

At 30 km's over the posted limit, I wonder why ??? Another 11km/hour and you would have been walking. How many demerit's was that ??? 75 ???

Of course. I didn't say I had a problem with the ticket, myself; I was just commenting on the copper's attitude.

Bear in mind that this is one of those slightly odd state highway '80' zones that should really be a '100'.

Not that I'm making excuses. I was just off in la-la land, riding to the road and conditions rather than the signposted limit. I've done the crime; I'll do my time.

The ticket came with 35 demerit points.

[FJRider]

Of course. I didn't say I had a problem with the ticket, myself; I was just commenting on the copper's attitude.

Bear in mind that this is one of those slightly odd state highway '80' zones that should really be a '100'.

Not that I'm making excuses. I was just off in la-la land, riding to the road and conditions rather than the signposted limit. I've done the crime; I'll do my time.

The ticket came with 35 demerit points.

The demerit's hurt most.

[Biggles08]

I DO stop and yarn to random bikers, go and fetch tyre-pandos/fuel etc for them and DO treat 'em like humans - so where's tha KB post on that??(p/t)

AND I do tell motorists to their face why they are getting the ticket (don't 'do' tickets for 112kph)

Not a KB post but just for you Scumdog:Punk: check out this (http://sportbikerider.17.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=15)
Credit where its due but it ain't due too often sorry to say.

[Biggles08]

At 30 km's over the posted limit, I wonder why ??? Another 11km/hour and you would have been walking. How many demerit's was that ??? 75 ???

I know the hill Jrandom is referring to FJrider and similar to Scumdogs opinion of KB posters, at BEST it should have only been 10kph over a 'real' speed limit that 'makes sense.' 80kph up there is ridiculous considering some other 100kph limited areas that are far more dangerous...but its logic we have all become accustomed to and therefor tolerate.

[FJRider]

Logic and law, often differ. such is life.

[Hitcher]

Not one of your better posts Hitch.

Before we get into a reasoned discussion on this matter, hands up everybody who understands how the Gallup Q12 works and has had experience with it?

I'm waiting...

[Hitcher]

Would you criticise a board of directors for releasing an organisation's HR survey results to shareholders at the AGM?

Yes I would. What possible purpose could that serve? HR matters are between bosses and their employees. These are invariably complex and also personal. It takes two to tango, and other such cliches. Publicising such information also escalates it and often reinforces the "victim" attitudes and behaviours many employees enjoy, when they have an opportunity to engage with their place of work in a constructive manner.

Any HR "survey", Gallup Q12 included, is a snapshot taken at a particular point in time and therefore completely unreliable in the absence of context. The Police's Gallup Q12 result was their first as an organisation. More interesting will be next year's Q12 result and, even more interesting the one for the following year. It is this trend data, hopefully identifying a constructive and productive partnership between employer and employee, that is more interesting that this beat-up media crap we're seeing as a consequence of this release from the Police.

[jrandom]

Yes I would. What possible purpose could that serve?

Gallup Q12 results constitute data which any current or prospective investor in a company would absolutely love to see, inasmuch as the score has been shown to correlate with productivity and, consequently, profitability.

HR survey results are one of those matters that managers love to hide and shareholders love to find.

I wonder which perspective you're approaching the question from?

<_<


Publicising such information also escalates it...

As opposed to keeping anonymously grey-suited men safe in their corner offices to continue their mismanagement, free from the discomfort of prying eyes?


trend data...

Ah, trend data, the favourite tool of the spin doctor.

"20% improvement in staff engagement levels!" trumpets the annual report, as the following year's Q12 survey reveals a 'dreadful' score level that's changed from 25% to 20%. The fact that the 'really quite happy' score may have also shrunk, with a concomitant increase in the middle ground, can be conveniently hidden.

Raw data or STFU.

[Skyryder]

Before we get into a reasoned discussion on this matter, hands up everybody who understands how the Gallup Q12 works and has had experience with it?

I'm waiting...

Your post had nothing to do with Gallup Q12 or for that matter even the 'Trots'.:jerry:

In essence your post was that information on Police surveys should not be made public and I simply applied your reasoning to all Govt Depts etc. Taken to it's ultimate conclusion where an adverse opinion (poll etc) can be shown then this information should 'not become public knowledge. And your reasoning for this is so that the opposition can not give any riducule etc. If I have misconstrued your post please show where.


Skyyrder

[Patrick]

Of course. I didn't say I had a problem with the ticket, myself; I was just commenting on the copper's attitude.

Coz he gave you a ticket, or coz he was doing his job with no excuses lame or otherwise......?????


80kph up there is ridiculous

The limit up there changed after a 14 year old was wiped out while walking to the bus stop nearby so he could go to school, well off the roadway, right outside his home, when a tired driver fell off the highway, right into that 14 year old. 1st on the scene was dad. He campaigned and won.

1997 from memory. Date aint so important....

That kid was.....

[jrandom]

Coz he gave you a ticket, or coz he was doing his job with no excuses lame or otherwise......?????

Biggles commented on cops either lecturing, or being apologetic.

My point was that the chap who pulled me over took neither approach; it was all fairly mechanical.


a tired driver fell off the highway, right into that 14 year old.

Sigh.

And the only concrete thing Dad had to attack was the speed limit, eh?

He could have campaigned against tired drivers (given that fatigue has been shown to be as impairing as driving above the alcohol intoxication limit) but, as always, the simple, measurable metric was the one that provided a scapegoat.

If we reduced the speed limit on every 100kph road in the country every time a tired driver fucked up on it and killed someone, we'd be driving everywhere at walking pace.

Still, it's interesting to hear that there was, in fact, a somewhat emotional and undoubtedly media-driven decision-making process behind that stretch of road being an '80' rather than a '100'. It explains the apparent irrationality.

[SixPackBack]

Before we get into a reasoned discussion on this matter, hands up everybody who understands how the Gallup Q12 works and has had experience with it?

I'm waiting...

Semantics. A holistic overview of our current Police issues [or rather poor government mismanagement of] requires some soul searching and a large dollop of honest reappraisal.

[Hitcher]

I wonder which perspective you're approaching the question from?

And vice versa.


As opposed to keeping anonymously grey-suited men safe in their corner offices to continue their mismanagement, free from the discomfort of prying eyes?

No. It's a bit like thinking "analysis" by Oprah Winfrey can assist the Federlines' with their relationship matters.


Ah, trend data, the favourite tool of the spin doctor.

You got a problem with that?


Raw data or STFU.

Raw data without context is just numbers.

[jrandom]

And vice versa.

In this matter, I take the position of a taxpayer and stakeholder who wants disclosure.


You got a problem with that?

Only inasmuch as it can be used as a tool for misinformation. Unfortunately, deciding whether or not 'trends' constitute misinformation is impossible without access to the underlying data. The rational mind immediately distrusts any source of statistics which withholds the information from which they were derived.


Raw data without context is just numbers.

What 'context' do you suggest these poll results could be placed in?

It seems fairly straightforward to me. "This number of police staff ticked these boxes, indicating a particular level of job satisfaction."

That data, in and of itself, is plenty meaningful, and I would like to see it before I consider the Law 'n' Order policies of the parties whom I may vote for at the next general election.

Its withholding would speak to me of management who want to hide their own incompetence and preserve their positions for as long as possible.

[Dave_G]

So whats so stressful about sitting in a car monitoring a radar or laser gun?

Easter weekend SH16, in a long line (at least a Km) of traffic heading home to Auckland, headed by a git doing 25-30 under the speed limit sitting on the centre line. Eventually spy our hero sitting in his car "monitoring traffic". He did absoultley nothing, so I stopped and asked why not, in return for which I cop a mouthful. So don't for a second expect me to show any respect at all to our heroes in blue until they start to show the same respect to the public. What they are doing is not policing, its quota management pure and simple. If they were at all concerned about road safety and doing something about the statistics they would stop blowing smoke about speed and start to actually police the other road laws, the ones that lead to frustration and stupid overtaking, the ones that govern intersections where motorcyclists are attacked by red light runners, they would start to seriously police the wof laws, and not just the young guys out there with lowered cars (theyre easy). In short they would start to actually police all the road laws instead of taking the easy way out.
If I get a ticket I'll take and move on, my fault and my responsibility, but do not tell me that its making the roads safe because its not, its all the things that are too hard for the heroes in blue to police that are making it dangerous, and I don't see them doing squat about that. When they start to I'll start to have a bit more time for them

[Hitcher]

What 'context' do you suggest these poll results could be placed in?

It seems fairly straightforward to me. "This number of police staff ticked these boxes, indicating a particular level of job satisfaction."

That data, in and of itself, is plenty meaningful, and I would like to see it before I consider the Law 'n' Order policies of the parties whom I may vote for at the next general election.

Its withholding would speak to me of management who want to hide their own incompetence and preserve their positions for as long as possible.

Employer/employee relationships are like any partnership in that they're based on trust. Unlike many other engagement "surveys" Gallup's methodology is about more than the survey and is fundamentally founded on trust if it is to succeed. Q12 recognises the inherent strength and value of individual work teams and provides a framework for teams to develop their own processes for addressing issues raised by the Q12. I believe that making this data public merely hardens any animosities and reinforces the stereotype that many people have of bosses doing to their staff and being the possessors of silver bullets and all manner of mystic unctions that can be used to salve workplace disharmony. That is quite frankly, fanciful crap.

I applaud the Police management for being brave enough to embrace Gallup in the first instance. But their challenge working with all of their staff to turn around a highly disengaged workforce just got a whole lot harder.

[jrandom]

I believe that making this data public merely hardens any animosities and reinforces the stereotype that many people have of bosses doing to their staff and being the possessors of silver bullets and all manner of mystic unctions that can be used to salve workplace disharmony. That is quite frankly, fanciful crap.

Silver bullets? Not at all.

However, low levels of staff morale and motivation revealed by the likes of a Q12 poll are the responsibility of management. One cannot sensibly argue that Police officers are unhappy in their jobs because many of them are layabout troublemakers. The issues, such as they are, must be systemic.


I applaud the Police management for being brave enough to embrace Gallup in the first instance. But their challenge working with all of their staff to turn around a highly disengaged workforce just got a whole lot harder.

I do agree that the publication of HR survey data makes the job of Police management more stressful, inasmuch as it shines a light on historical incompetence.

Unfortunately, hiding that incompetence and misdirection in the dark does not make it go away; sometimes, the harsh light of scrutiny is necessary to motivate change.

If those who are currently sweating over these results find their situation untenable due to the unpleasantness of such scrutiny, they should resign their positions and seek employment that does not involve receiving a six-figure salary in exchange for managerial responsibility of a public service.

Generally speaking, disclosure is often unpleasant for some, but always necessary for the greater good.

[scumdog]

However, low levels of staff morale and motivation revealed by the likes of a Q12 poll are the responsibility of management. One cannot sensibly argue that Police officers are unhappy in their jobs because many of them are layabout troublemakers. The issues, such as they are, must be systemic.

Generally speaking, disclosure is often unpleasant for some, but always necessary for the greater good.


Layabout troublemakers?
Maybe.

But how about being grossly understaffed and being told you can'yt have a coulor printer 'cos your station is too small (despite the single months Colour-Plus photocopying bill would more than pay for the colour printer) -THAT kind of stuff makes for disgruntled workers....

[SixPackBack]

Layabout troublemakers?
Maybe.

But how about being grossly understaffed and being told you can'yt have a coulor printer 'cos your station is too small (despite the single months Colour-Plus photocopying bill would more than pay for the colour printer) -THAT kind of stuff makes for disgruntled workers....

Obvious for some time poor management is to blame for real and perceived issues on the force.

[Ixion]

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However, low levels of staff morale and motivation revealed by the likes of a Q12 poll are the responsibility of management. One cannot sensibly argue that Police officers are unhappy in their jobs because many of them are layabout troublemakers. The issues, such as they are, must be systemic.

Generally speaking, disclosure is often unpleasant for some, but always necessary for the greater good.
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Layabout troublemakers?
Maybe.

But how about being grossly understaffed and being told you can'yt have a coulor printer 'cos your station is too small (despite the single months Colour-Plus photocopying bill would more than pay for the colour printer) -THAT kind of stuff makes for disgruntled workers....

You misinterpreted the piscine gentlewomans intention. He meant

"One cannot sensibly argue that the reason Police officers are unhappy in their jobs is ("because many of them are layabout troublemakers")."

The bit in ()s refers to the reason not the argumnent. He meant that all cops cannot be layabout troublemakers , so one must assume that the figures indicate that (at least) some dedicated and hard working cops are unhappy. Perhaps for reasons such as those you have posited.

[007XX]

I would like to like the NZ police and would like to hear just once the sound of honesty when I've been pulled over for speeding "I know you weren't riding dangerous but you were exceeding the set speed limit and unfortunately I have to give you a ticket" instead of the usual BS line "If you had seen what I've had to put up with in my job you would agree that speed does kill and you going 112kph is a danger to others on this road." BULLSHIT NAZI PROPAGANDA!!!

Now...that's what I call honnest! And respect to you for all of it.

Interesting thing is: I agree with you on pretty much everything.

However, I have not as yet had a bad "traffic cop" experience. Only had a brush with the law twice and everytime, the cops have been curteous and have not treated us badly at all...fairly even. And before anyone reckons it is because I look the way I do :rolleyes:, just let me quickly relate this little anecdote:

Picture this: It is 11pm on a cold September night, 007XY and I are riding down to the Cold Kiwi...I am pillion on the 955 Daytona, and I am nearly falling asleep on the back I am so cold...there is frost everywhere and hubby is trying to get me to a bonfire ASAP, so stretches the speedo to about 132kms an hour. Surely enough, on one of the straights before Ohakune, we see the blue and reds flashes...Hubby stops, speaks to lovely chap in the (heated) Commodore while I try to remain awake...Man in blue reduced the speed on the ticket to 119 kms and hour and bid us goodnight with a wish for us to have a safe trip to our destination.

He was polite and friendly, didn't make us feel like naughty kids and just did his job. He did not have to do what he did, and we respected him for it.

So I guess your point is perfectly justified, and so is mine...the only difference being our respective personal experiences.

Traffic cops are not the representation of the whole police corp...they are just the ones we get confronted with on a more regular basis. Should one of them ever treat me the way you descibed in your earlier post, then yes, I'd be angry and I would certainly have little respect for that person, but I would not just lump everyone in the same basket.


Isn't it a lot of what we bikers are often so very annoyed about: Being lumped in one big "you are all nasty people because you ride bikes"?;)

[Swoop]

Why don't we have a "Make a policeman happy" day?

Perhaps bake a cake and then track down a policeman on the side of the road, and present it to him/her.
Say "cheer up old chum, you could use a nice treat"!

Wouldn't that be nice?

[Ixion]

WHAT? Are you mad? And get arrested by the Food Police? Do you realise how unhealthy cake is ?

It's people like you with such socially irresponsible attiudes that cause the 100000 deaths per year due to obesity. And have made necessary the soon-to-be-implemented Daily Calorie Limits for all eaters. Yes, you WILL need a Government Certified Scale in your kitchen. And a licence to enter fast food establishments (mandatory disqualification for those who clock up too many Fat Demerits)

[FJRider]

Cake reacts with the doughnuts... badly

[peasea]

Personally I have a problem with how the 'speed kills' issue is handled...and that is merely because that issue relates directly to me...I like to ride quicker than the set speed limits in certain situations and can confirm that I'm 100% not prepared to kill because of it (as the LTNZ would want you to believe)- therefor I have a vested interest in this particular law. If I had kids and thought I had the right to smack my child while disciplining them I'm sure I would show/vent my frustration at that 'bad' law., but it doesn't affect me directly.

So...when it comes to why people dislike the police and their reasons for it, I'm sure you will find that it is due to the 'personal' experiences they have had surrounding their particular interest. The only time I have any contact with the law keepers in this country is when they stop me on the side of the road for allegedly committing an offense. Why can't they stop while we're standing on the side of the road having a cigarette break to say hi and generally treat me like a human??? why? A police officer originally from Dublin did this once to my mates and me and fuck did it impress me...I bet he's gone now though as his attitude was wrong according to the quota system.

Now let me make this very clear...I'M AWARE THE SET SPEED LIMIT IS 100KPH ON THE OPEN ROAD and if I choose to ignore this rule and I'm caught...so be it, give me the ticket, I'll be pissed off at what I perceive to be a bad law being enforced but will take it on the chin and carry on.....BUT....and its a big 'but,' don't give me a lecture telling me that I'm prepared to kill someone or that my riding is dangerous when clearly surrounding the circumstances in which I'm stopped its not. I know when I'm riding dangerous and I also know that it is getting less and less as I get older so a pimpled faced police officer telling me how I should be riding is where I will get angry.

The reason I think the police have a lot to answer to is based on personal experience alone - and this is fact...its not hearsay or any other 3rd party telling me how to think it is ONLY based on issues that I have been personally involved in. I know there are bad apples everywhere but why do I see so many in the (traffic) police force...I see them....its fact remember and I'm being 100% honest with you and myself.

I would like to like the NZ police and would like to hear just once the sound of honesty when I've been pulled over for speeding "I know you weren't riding dangerous but you were exceeding the set speed limit and unfortunately I have to give you a ticket" instead of the usual BS line "If you had seen what I've had to put up with in my job you would agree that speed does kill and you going 112kph is a danger to others on this road." BULLSHIT NAZI PROPAGANDA!!!

Have to agree, especially about the apples but I'd go one step further and call them fuckwits. I'm sick and tired of the b/s lectures at the roadside; you can't tell me 111kph is going to kill anything other than the odd possum on an open, straight road and in daylight even that's a rarity. 100kph is too slow in so many places but the problem is the average twat doesn't seem to be able to adjust their speed to the conditions. That's the key issue.

Also; you are a bigger man than me; I refuse to take a speeding ticket 'on the chin' when the transgression is minor, such as 111kph. Enforcing stupid laws deserves a lecture of my own and I'm not backward in coming forward to deliver it and I am far more likely to drop a bit of throttle (or tongue) off for a cop that passes the attitude test and gives me a warning rather than a ticket.

Fat chance of a warning in these revenue collecting days though. When was the last time anyone here had a warning?

[peasea]

Personally I have a problem with how the 'speed kills' issue is handled...

So...when it comes to why people dislike the police and their reasons for it, I'm sure you will find that it is due to the 'personal' experiences they have had surrounding their particular interest. The only time I have any contact with the law keepers in this country is when they stop me on the side of the road for allegedly committing an offense. Why can't they stop while we're standing on the side of the road having a cigarette break to say hi and generally treat me like a human??? why? A police officer originally from Dublin did this once to my mates and me and fuck did it impress me...I bet he's gone now though as his attitude was wrong according to the quota system.

Now let me make this very clear...I'M AWARE THE SET SPEED LIMIT IS 100KPH ON THE OPEN ROAD and if I choose to ignore this rule and I'm caught...so be it, give me the ticket, I'll be pissed off at what I perceive to be a bad law being enforced but will take it on the chin and carry on.....BUT....and its a big 'but,' don't give me a lecture telling me that I'm prepared to kill someone or that my riding is dangerous when clearly surrounding the circumstances in which I'm stopped its not. I know when I'm riding dangerous and I also know that it is getting less and less as I get older so a pimpled faced police officer telling me how I should be riding is where I will get angry.

I would like to like the NZ police and would like to hear just once the sound of honesty when I've been pulled over for speeding "I know you weren't riding dangerous but you were exceeding the set speed limit and unfortunately I have to give you a ticket" instead of the usual BS line "If you had seen what I've had to put up with in my job you would agree that speed does kill and you going 112kph is a danger to others on this road." BULLSHIT NAZI PROPAGANDA!!!

Have to agree. I'm sick and tired of the b/s lectures at the roadside; you can't tell me 111kph is going to kill anything other than the odd possum on an open, straight road and in daylight even that's a rarity. 100kph is too slow in so many places but the problem is the average twat doesn't seem to be able to adjust their speed to the conditions. That's the key issue.

Also; you are a bigger man than me; I refuse to take a speeding ticket 'on the chin' when the transgression is minor, such as 111kph. Enforcing stupid laws deserves a lecture of my own and I'm not backward in coming forward to deliver it and I am far more likely to drop a bit of throttle (or tongue) off for a cop that passes the attitude test and gives me a warning rather than a ticket.

Fat chance of a warning in these revenue collecting days though. When was the last time anyone here had a warning?

[Skyryder]

Also; you are a bigger man than me; I refuse to take a speeding ticket 'on the chin' when the transgression is minor, such as 111kph. Enforcing stupid laws deserves a lecture of my own and I'm not backward in coming forward to deliver it and I am far more likely to drop a bit of throttle (or tongue) off for a cop that passes the attitude test and gives me a warning rather than a ticket.

Fat chance of a warning in these revenue collecting days though. When was the last time anyone here had a warning?

Gota agree with you on this one. The ones with attitude are easy to spot. It's the ones that play games and lead you to believe that you are only going to get a warning then they book you. If in doubt the standard response to any question is............Do I have to answer that question officer?? Don't get smart with them just remember that the Police are obliged by law to inform you of your rights. The best bedtime reading I could suggest is a copy the the Land Transport Act.


Skyryder

[Mole_C]

I find it rather interesting how the majority of the comments here are in regards to traffic cops. Do you guys honestly think that all the cops do is sit around giving people tickets?

[scumdog]

Gota agree with you on this one. The ones with attitude are easy to spot. It's the ones that play games and lead you to believe that you are only going to get a warning then they book you. If in doubt the standard response to any question is............Do I have to answer that question officer?? Don't get smart with them just remember that the Police are obliged by law to inform you of your rights. The best bedtime reading I could suggest is a copy the the Land Transport Act.


Skyryder

Dunno how others operate but with me (when I get around to writing tickets):

Hi, the reason I stopped you is****, have you any explanation?
(Listens to story, turns on bullshit radar and decides if explanation reasonable)

THEN

OK, fair enough, don't be doing it again, consider yourself warned.

OR

You are going to be issued a traffic infringement notice for ***, please remain in your vehicle while I write it out.

The most uppity ones seem to be the wealthier ones in expensive vehicles who also seem to have the most pathetic excuses.
("I've just had the Monaro tuned and can't seem to keep it below 70kph, be reasonable man, I'm off to see my sick mother" )
Snatches ticket from me, revs motor, drops clutch and disappears in a scatter of grit, wow, that really impressed/intimidated me no end-pfft.!!

The average guy accepts they have erred and is polite and calm, hence he gets some slack cut if it's available.:yes:

Of course I'm some sort of wierdo that runs around stark-bollocky-nekkid so the above may not apply to others.:blink::crazy:

[peasea]

I find it rather interesting how the majority of the comments here are in regards to traffic cops. Do you guys honestly think that all the cops do is sit around giving people tickets?

........and eating donuts

[SixPackBack]

Dunno how others operate but with me (when I get around to writing tickets):

Hi, the reason I stopped you is****, have you any explanation?
(Listens to story, turns on bullshit radar and decides if explanation reasonable)

THEN

OK, fair enough, don't be doing it again, consider yourself warned.

OR

You are going to be issued a traffic infringement notice for ***, please remain in your vehicle while I write it out.

The most uppity ones seem to be the wealthier ones in expensive vehicles who also seem to have the most pathetic excuses.
("I've just had the Monaro tuned and can't seem to keep it below 70kph, be reasonable man, I'm off to see my sick mother" )
Snatches ticket from me, revs motor, drops clutch and disappears in a scatter of grit, wow, that really impressed/intimidated me no end-pfft.!!

The average guy accepts they have erred and is polite and calm, hence he gets some slack cut if it's available.:yes:

Of course I'm some sort of wierdo that runs around stark-bollocky-nekkid so the above may not apply to others.:blink::crazy:

Makes you more human scumdog:whistle:

[peasea]

Gota agree with you on this one. The ones with attitude are easy to spot. It's the ones that play games and lead you to believe that you are only going to get a warning then they book you. If in doubt the standard response to any question is............Do I have to answer that question officer?? Don't get smart with them just remember that the Police are obliged by law to inform you of your rights. The best bedtime reading I could suggest is a copy the the Land Transport Act.


Skyryder

I would never get smart to a police officer, that's naughty.

[Skyryder]

Dunno how others operate but with me (when I get around to writing tickets):

Hi, the reason I stopped you is****, have you any explanation?
(Listens to story, turns on bullshit radar and decides if explanation reasonable)

THEN

OK, fair enough, don't be doing it again, consider yourself warned.

OR

You are going to be issued a traffic infringement notice for ***, please remain in your vehicle while I write it out.

The most uppity ones seem to be the wealthier ones in expensive vehicles who also seem to have the most pathetic excuses.
("I've just had the Monaro tuned and can't seem to keep it below 70kph, be reasonable man, I'm off to see my sick mother" )
Snatches ticket from me, revs motor, drops clutch and disappears in a scatter of grit, wow, that really impressed/intimidated me no end-pfft.!!

The average guy accepts they have erred and is polite and calm, hence he gets some slack cut if it's available.:yes:

Of course I'm some sort of wierdo that runs around stark-bollocky-nekkid so the above may not apply to others.:blink::crazy:

To be honest it could be the dumb fucker just up the road who has just got the ticket and as a result may drive a bit slow and save your life.

It's a 'two way' thing that some of us forget at times.



Skyryder

[jrandom]

When was the last time anyone here had a warning?

I take it as a warning every single time I have to do 100kph (or more) over the posted speed limit to get away from the flashing red and blue lights in my mirrors.

Let it never be said that I am a heedless individual.

:nono:

[peasea]

I take it as a warning every single time I have to do 100kph (or more) over the posted speed limit to get away from the flashing red and blue lights in my mirrors.

Let it never be said that I am a heedless individual.

:nono:

Keep up the good work.

[more_fasterer]

Do you guys honestly think that all the cops do is sit around giving people tickets?

Are you talking about all cops, or just the traffic half?

[Maha]

Fat chance of a warning in these revenue collecting days though. When was the last time anyone here had a warning?

I got a warning last Friday...not a verbal one, more the 'Finger' wave. I take that as a warning.
Revenue collecting?... I have never understood that statement. If it were Revenue collecting, then I would think they would want you on the road for a longer time, not demerit you off the road. You know, collect more that way aye?
If it were Revenue collecting, would it be a fair assumption that demerit points would be set at say.....5 points per tickett? ya know, to keep you on the road longer.
I dont but into that Revenue bla bla....'you speed you pay', thats the part that is real easy to understand.

[Ting Tong]

I remember talking to a copper and his mates years ago about policing the roads. They were rather happy that the MOT/TC's were undertaking the law enforcement. Their reasoning was that where the police undertook traffic enforcement they lost the respect of the public. I wonder if this is the case in NZ? People show no respect which makes the job harder and less enjoyable. Hence complacent attutudes with some staff.
Maybe a good reason to bring back the MOT/TC's

You think that traffic police are hard now, if they bring back MOT then we are all knackered. They will only concentrate on traffic law and not crime, its better this way. Do you think that by segregating the Police and Traffic that we will still have the same amount of Police Officers?. NO we wont, they will need to pay for MOT somehow, some officers will go to MOT as they enjoy traffic policing and the government will reduce the amount of money given to the Police, thus less police!!!!:crybaby:

[Ting Tong]

Yeah apparently only Traffic cops sit around waiting to give you a ticket, get real!! Traffic cops cant give you a ticket unless you do something against the law!! so dont have a go at them, they are only doing their job. DONT HAVE A GO, HUG A COP!!!!

[Edbear]

Yeah apparently only Traffic cops sit around waiting to give you a ticket, get real!! Traffic cops cant give you a ticket unless you do something against the law!! so dont have a go at them, they are only doing their job. DONT HAVE A GO, HUG A COP!!!!

Hey! We could start a trend...!!!:grouphug:

What reaction would we get if we get off the bike and give the cop a hug when he stops us...?
:D

[jahrasti]

I find it rather interesting how the majority of the comments here are in regards to traffic cops. Do you guys honestly think that all the cops do is sit around giving people tickets?


........and eating donuts

Don't forget we drink coffee as well, jeez everyone knows coffee goes hand in hand with donuts.

[Patrick]

Hey! We could start a trend...!!!:grouphug:

What reaction would we get if we get off the bike and give the cop a hug when he stops us...?
:D

Pepper spray? Baton? He would think he was being attacked and call for the dogs.... Unless you were a busty blonde... or a brunette... or a red head... oh all right, just busty.... that would be OK then...

[Grahameeboy]

Hey! We could start a trend...!!!:grouphug:

What reaction would we get if we get off the bike and give the cop a hug when he stops us...?
:D

Yeah but in this PC world we would get arrested for assault...

[Edbear]

Pepper spray? Baton? He would think he was being attacked and call for the dogs.... Unless you were a busty blonde... or a brunette... or a red head... oh all right, just busty.... that would be OK then...


Mmmm! I'm a little "busty", but maybe not the type you're meaning...:rolleyes:

I guess we should say that Ting Tong told us too...:yes: Of course if it was a niced female cop...? Nah, I'd probably get into more trouble... :spanking:

[peasea]

Hey! We could start a trend...!!!:grouphug:

What reaction would we get if we get off the bike and give the cop a hug when he stops us...?
:D

Worse case scenario? The male cop you hug is gay, he cuffs you then you spend the worst night of your life in the cells.

With your hands cuffed you couldn't even 'beat him off'.

[spudchucka]

I applaud the Police management for being brave enough to embrace Gallup in the first instance. But their challenge working with all of their staff to turn around a highly disengaged workforce just got a whole lot harder.

I've been away for a week and haven't kept up with this but just thought it would be worthwhile highlighting the fact that the poll results were released as a result of an official information request by the media, it wasn't released by the police management simply as a "Ohhh, have a look at this" exercise.

[spudchucka]

Layabout troublemakers?
Maybe.

But how about being grossly understaffed and being told you can'yt have a coulor printer 'cos your station is too small (despite the single months Colour-Plus photocopying bill would more than pay for the colour printer) -THAT kind of stuff makes for disgruntled workers....

Not to mention having to chase miscreants down the street in the buff!

I can't believe the departments stingy arsed attitude to printers, you'd think that Howie has to start clucking and lay one every time there's a request for a new one approved.

[spudchucka]

Why don't we have a "Make a policeman happy" day?

Perhaps bake a cake and then track down a policeman on the side of the road, and present it to him/her.
Say "cheer up old chum, you could use a nice treat"!

Wouldn't that be nice?

There is a General Instruction somewhere that says police officers are not to eat in public, (not to mention not being permitted to accept public gratuities) so you'd be encouraging the poor sod to break the company rules and therefore contribute to his / her misery.:crazy:

[Swoop]

There is a General Instruction somewhere that says police officers are not to eat in public
So the cheap McChew&spew for officers on duty, is un-necessary then?

[Patrick]

So the cheap McChew&spew for officers on duty, is un-necessary then?

Only if I can have fries with that too, please....

[Edbear]

Only if I can have fries with that too, please....


Mmmm! So if you're at the side of the road and the recipient is arguing the ticket, you politely ask, "Would you like fries with the ticket, Sir...?" Of course that's code for, "Keep it up and I'll find something else to add to it..":shutup:

[Daffyd]

A motorcycle officer stops a man for running a red light.

The guy is a real jerk and comes running back to the officer. The violator demands to know why he is being harassed by the Gestapo! So the officer calmly tells him of the red light violation.

The "Motorist" instantly goes on a tirade, questioning the officer's ancestry, sexual orientation, etc., in rather explicit terms. The officer, being a professional, takes it all in stride, figuring "battleship mouth and rowboat ass".

The tirade goes on without the cop saying anything. When he gets done with writing the citation he puts an "AH" in the lower right corner of the narrative portion of the citation. He then hands it to the "Violator" for his signature.

The guy signs the cite angrily, tearing the paper, and when presented his copy points to the "AH" and demands to know what it stands for.

The officer then removes his mirrored sunglasses, gets in the middle of the guy's face and said, "That's so when we go to court, I'll remember you're an asshole!"


Three months later they are in court. The "Violator" has such a bad record he is about to lose his license and has hired an attorney to represent him.

On the stand the officer testifies to seeing the man run the red light.

Under cross-examination, the defense attorney asks, "Officer, is this a reasonable facsimile of the citation you issued my client?"

Officer responds, "Yes sir, this is the defendant's copy, his signature and mine, same number at the top."

Attorney: "Officer, is there any particular marking or notation on this citation you don't normally make?"

Officer: "Yes sir, in the lower right corner of the narrative there is an 'AH', underlined."

Attorney: "What does the AH stand for, officer?"

Officer? "Aggressive and Hostile, Sir."

Attorney: "Aggressive and hostile?"

Officer: "Yes, Sir?"

Attorney: "Officer, are you sure it doesn't stand for Asshole?"

Officer: "Well, Sir, you know your client better than I do!"